Price is over 90 miles from Moab/Arches. and other than 20 miles of I-70 you
must travel on mostly 2 lane highways.The Sad part is that people
have destroyed the Moab area. and further destruction will accrue thanks to
introducing the public to bears ears.
Sad, but the times are changing. The USA the same as other large land mass
nations population are out migrating from the rural country to the urban cities
for good reasons of covienence, economics, politics, social and other urban
advantages. Look at any night time satellite map photo of the USA and it shows
the nations population clustered in just a fewer distinct geographic areas. And
the cluster of concentration is accelerating each new generation. It is simple
economics: there is no demand for rural populations. Can the Federal government
or the State governments create an artificial demand; probably not.
People have destroyed Moab. Moab is a good example of what happens when the
area becomes a National park or monument.
I always thought Price was a diamond in the rough. You have millions of tourist
passing thru. They'd stop if there were reasons to do it. Great mountain
biking, railroad, put some brew pubs, restaurants, concerts, events, etc.
Coal is never coming back no matter what Trump and some of his sycophants
Stevo123No war on Coal? BO lied? Sure there is. Artificial factors have
made those alternatives more economical.MarxistYou must be
able to spit pretty far to say they are in spitting distance – they are
all at least 2 hours from Price.HutteriteYep, BO is to blame.
Ever hear of inertia and momentum? He put in place the demise of coal.
Not a fan of NASA or by Government funded science. I think that I should think
for myself, even if they say the thinking has been done.
@What in Tucket"Sun activity is very low. "Yes, we are
in our weakest solar cycle in almost a century. And despite that NASA finds that
2018 was the 4th warmest year in the modern record (behind 2016, 2017 and
2015... 2014 was 5th place)."We saw that a couple dozen died
from the Polar Vortex. Cold kills. Personally I would refer some warming. Sorry
to say it does not look like CO2 has much of any affect on temperature."The UAH satellite dataset (they're typically the first to report
their global values from the previous month) finds January 2019 to be 0.37C
above the 1981-2010 average for the lower troposphere, a larger positive anomaly
than any month in 2018 (which for the record was 6th warmest in the UAH lower
troposphere dataset, there tends to be a bit of difference between these and
others like NASA/NOAA since it's covering a deeper layer of the lower
atmosphere than just near-surface).
"Blame BO and his war on coal for the economic demise in these counties,
counties that have traditionally been democratic."No. Sorry, but
that horse died. President Obama is history, and his policies being wiped out
wholesale. This is trump country now, and he's nothing if not big coal. If
you feel the need to hand out blame, maybe it's time to wonder if
he's either ineffective or lying about there being some future in coal. Or
Utah is littered with the remains of single commodity economies. They are
called ghost towns. Ever been to Gold Hill, Frisco, Silver City, Temple City,
Sego, or Ticaboo? Carbon County has its own share of faded resource-dependent
communities (Standardville, National, Storrs,, etc.), though their demise is
more a result of automobiles making longer commutes feasible (miners could live
in Price instead of in company towns).Price has a lot of open space,
an existing rail connection, good road access to the interstate highway system,
and a skilled workforce that knows how to run trucks and machinery. It is not
in a topographic basin prone to atmospheric thermal inversions that trap air
pollution. It is not in a critical migratory flyway for waterfowl and
shorebirds. How about if the legislature moved its pet project, the inland
port, to a place where it could benefit a needy population and not threaten our
health and environment?
A freeway connecting I-15 from Spanish fork to I-70 in Green River, going
thru Price would help Price diversify its economy.
"Finally, the region needs significant investment in job training, housing
revitalization, and tourism infrastructure. Investment will create opportunity,
prevent poverty, relieve growth pressures along the Wasatch Front and help
address crowding issues in Utah’s “Mighty Five” national
parks."Sounds like the polar opposite of being a
conservative.[Conservatism. ... As a general ideology, Conservatism
is opposed to the ideals of Liberalism and Socialism. Conservatism generally
refers to right-wing politics which advocate the preservation of personal wealth
and private ownership (Capitalism) and emphasize self-reliance and
@lost in DC "Become another Moab? There is no Arches Natl Park, Canyonlands
Natl Park, or Dead Horse Point State park near Price."These
locations are in spitting distance to Price. AND the country SE of Price is
spectacular. I've been there, and it needs park protection! Time's a
@ Lost in DC, There is no war on coal, it is being pushed aside by Natural Gas
and other market forces.
The state is trying to expand export markets for coal – it is trying to
help the area. And as mentioned, the governor has programs in place.Blame BO and his war on coal for the economic demise in these counties,
counties that have traditionally been democratic.MarxistLiberals are trying to stop us from exporting our coal, be it for coking or
otherwise. Talk some sense into your liberal brethren.Become another
Moab? There is no Arches Natl Park, Canyonlands Natl Park, or Dead Horse Point
State park near Price. But I guess there is the Cleveland Dinosaur Quarry.
@What in Tucket "Sorry to say it does not look like CO2 has much of any
affect on temperature."I know it is pointless, but go to climate
dot gov.As for Carbon County, appreciate it has excellent reserves
of COKING coal. This should be reopened. If Messabi iron ore can be exported
to China, Carbon County's coking coal could be also. Better still, try to
reopen primary steel manufacturing somewhere in the west to use Carbon's
COKING coal.Also, Price needs to try becoming another Moab!
I lived in NC for 20 years. Parts of that state have been equally hit hard by
global economics. NC was primarily an agricultural state, with of course
Tobacco and Cotton being leading products. On top of that, NC is the leading
state in the nation for timber production - I know - who knew! As a byproduct
of that, it was also the leading furniture producing location in the world. Times have changed dramatically. Charlotte is now one of three banking
hubs in the nation. Pharma has taken over Research Triangle Park. Honda
builds its small jet in NC. And many of the data centers for the east coast are
located in the region now. This has all left rural NC struggling, with most
small towns shrinking while urban growth explodes. It has been a
painful period for the state. But the state has spent vast amounts of money on
community colleges for retraining, and adding universities into rural markets.
This is slowly turning the tide, with high tech and pharma manufacturing
starting to grow. Utah, with its access to cheap energy and renewables should
invest in the communities, creating economic zones based off of access to
education - and encourage new manufacturing.
NASA announced we are in for perhaps an 11 year cooling period. Sun activity is
very low. Coal is the cheapest way to get energy and heat. We made need that
coal. We saw that a couple dozen died from the Polar Vortex. Cold kills.
Personally I would refer some warming. Sorry to say it does not look like CO2
has much of any affect on temperature.