Utah House approves bill to enact statewide exit surveys for teachers who quit

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  • dolce et decorum est , 00
    Feb. 5, 2019 4:19 p.m.

    @ 2bits

    I am from Utah, was raised here, and live here now. We have different definitions of a living wage. By living wage, I mean enough to raise a family on teaching and nothing else. This used to be possible. It no longer is.

    How can we expect a teacher to make the sacrifices required to excel in a very difficult environment if a teacher cannot raise a family on the income? Teaching is not a part time gig; it is a profession and should be paid as such and should provide enough money to raise a family, send one’s children to college, have family vacations, put a little money aside, and maybe help those children get into a home.

    I know that it is difficult to find such employment generally outside of teaching. I find it difficult myself. However, that is something we have brought on ourselves by the neoliberal economy we have created for ourselves. It is not a reason to begrudge those teaching our children a modest but dignified lifestyle in return for the important work they do for us.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 5, 2019 2:23 p.m.

    @dolce
    RE: "I am not a teacher, but I would suspect not being paid a living wage has something to do with it"...
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    You're also not from Utah, so not sure you're qualified to judge us.

    They are paid a "living wage".

    Google "Living Wage in Utah"...
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    Living Wage Calculation for Salt Lake County, Utah
    Hourly Wages1 Adult 1 Adult 1 Child
    Living Wage$11.93 $24.59

    Google "What is average income for teachers in Utah"...
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    "Average Elementary School Teacher Yearly Salary in Utah. Elementary School Teachers earn an average yearly salary of $54,180. Salaries typically start from $32,530 and go up to $80,590".

    Google "What is the middle class income in Utah?"...
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    "Pew Research says the middle class runs from $42,000 to $125,000. They define middle as a household of three with an income that falls between two-thirds and double the median income.Oct 26, 2017"...

    The Truth...
    -Teachers are paid a "living wage".
    -Teachers are paid a middle-class salary ($32,530 up to $80,590). Which is OK.

    Teachers work 181 days/year. Most Americans work 245 days. They get paid the same as people who work 245 days/year. Not all bad.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 5, 2019 12:47 p.m.

    I think exit-interviews are a good idea. We need to know WHY they are leaving. That's something we need to know.

    I think it's equally important to have entry-interviews (in college, before they even graduate). To see why they are getting into the profession, and if they understand the pay scale, and understand it's not a high paying job, before they even get into it. Just so they aren't shocked when they get there... and quit.

    We need to make sure everybody's expectations are based on reality. If not... they aren't going to be happy.

  • imsmarterthanyou Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 5, 2019 11:45 a.m.

    I don't know how they get anyone to be a teacher. There isn't enough money to get me to do it. With the popularity of false sexual assault accusation in this country it just baffles me why anyone would even consider the job.

  • DavidMiller American Fork, UT
    Feb. 5, 2019 8:39 a.m.

    I agree with Rep. Thurston that the School Board should have established an exit survey itself but since the Legislature sets the budget they have every reason to do so as well. I also agree that the options listed by @Fullypresent are going to feature prominently in the survey results. On the other hand, the survey should provide more solid data around which to make policy adjustments to fix the problems - assuming the legislature and/or school board figure out how to make use of the data.

  • Wyo2ut Monroe, UT
    Feb. 5, 2019 8:23 a.m.

    Fullypresent, what else is there? How about too much legislation being passed from the top down telling teachers how to do their job by people that aren't in the classroom?

  • dolce et decorum est , 00
    Feb. 5, 2019 8:29 a.m.

    I am not a teacher, but I would suspect not being paid a living wage has something to do with it.

  • Wyo2ut Monroe, UT
    Feb. 5, 2019 8:26 a.m.

    I don't know...let's waste time and money and pass a bill that will tell us what we already know!

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 4, 2019 11:16 p.m.

    Why do they need a survey?
    Too big of classrooms, too little support from parents, pay, lack of respect for their profession, too much time spent on having to test kids.

    What else is there?

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 4, 2019 4:02 p.m.

    How about requiring a check box option with; "Lack of respect and funding from Utah lawmakers". I'm betting that'll be the #1 answer.