Report: Many Utah youths answer criminal charges with no attorney

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  • cavetroll SANDY, UT
    Feb. 1, 2019 1:44 p.m.

    @ DN Subscriber
    "This sounds like it is really about "full employment program for lawyers to be paid by taxpayers" than it is about justice for kids in rural areas." I guess you would also believe that the public defender for adult defendants is about a "full employment program for lawyers"? So much for the 6th Amendment right to legal counsel...

    "Getting a kid who is in trouble matched up with a lawyer may end up teaching them more bad habits than correcting past misconduct."

    I'm not sure how providing legal representation to somebody would teach them more bad habits.

    @emb
    "So what...The last thing we need is attorneys splitting legal hairs."

    I'm not sure how this is attorneys "splitting legal hairs." SCOTUS ruled in 1967, In re Gault, 387 U.S. 1, 20 (1967), that a juvenile charged with what would be a criminal offense as an adult is entitled to legal defense under the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment.

  • Zabilde Riverdale, UT
    Feb. 1, 2019 10:05 a.m.

    This is a travesty. Everyone has a constitutional right to an attorney. And nobody needs it more than kids. At least an adult might have the ability to do a little (a lot) of study and maybe understand their rights. A juvenile doesn't have that experience or knowledge.

    Any kid convicted of any crime without an attorney present should have their convictions thrown out. They did not get adequate representation their prosecution is entirely suspect.

    And all kids should be afforded an attorney as they do not have the means to afford one. If their parents can afford one, they can retain their own attorney and then that attorney can step in to replace the Public Defender, but the default should be all minors get an attorney automatically.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Feb. 1, 2019 7:39 a.m.

    We need to maintain the prison system, no better way then to incarcerate the poor.

    If your lucky enough to be a wealthy kid, there's a different justice system that protects our precious wealthy.

    So what!
    Pretty much sums up the New Republican's "every man for himself" attitude, that and the poor suck.

  • emb Pleasant Grove, UT
    Feb. 1, 2019 6:10 a.m.

    So what...The last thing we need is attorneys splitting legal hairs.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 31, 2019 11:07 p.m.

    This sounds like it is really about "full employment program for lawyers to be paid by taxpayers" than it is about justice for kids in rural areas.

    Getting a kid who is in trouble matched up with a lawyer may end up teaching them more bad habits than correcting past misconduct.

  • HSTucker Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2019 8:28 p.m.

    Thank you, Mr. Weiler. It is crucially important that everyone knows how to protect their rights before representatives of a government that wields extraordinary power.