More than 40 faith leaders oppose efforts to 'delay or limit' Utah's Medicaid expansion

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  • Truthczar Colorado Springs, CO
    Feb. 12, 2019 10:30 a.m.

    Socialism is expensive and then quickly catastrophic.
    Ask Venezuela how their "medicaid for all" program turned out.

  • J. Smith Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 5, 2019 4:15 p.m.

    Article 25 of the United Nations' 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights states the following:

    "Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services.”

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Feb. 4, 2019 7:44 p.m.

    @Iron Rod: "I am willing to pay much more in taxes so my less fortunate brothers and sisters can have health care"

    If true, I've never seen any get in trouble for over-paying his taxes. Have you made a habit of not claiming all your deductions? Or perhaps even writing a check to the State of Utah to donate to our current Medicaid fund? If so, I praise you.

    If not, what you are really saying is that you are willing to pay more in taxes only if your neighbor joins you. Some of us don't have room in our budget for higher taxes. For many of us, that is because we choose to donate to programs we sincerely believe are more effective than government medicaid.

    @The Atheist:

    It is quite disingenous to object to "morality" in government or laws except when morality supports your desired outcome.

    Strawman arguments about what conservatives believe are not very useful in finding common ground. Life isn't fair, people do need help. The question is whether expanding medicaid is the best way to provide help.

    In total, I'm already paying upwards of 50% of my income in various taxes. We simply can't afford every good thing. Opportunity costs.

  • Be Rational Midvale, UT
    Feb. 4, 2019 10:03 a.m.

    This bill is ALL ABOUT MONEY. Look at who is behind the idea and is supporting the bill. Intermountain Healthcare came up with this idea. (I have inside knowledge and know this with 100% certainty) Why would they care? Because they can make MORE MONEY when a person has insurance through the Affordable Care Act Exchanges than through Medicaid. Select Health has 80% marketshare on the exchanges and everyone one of those people can only seek care at an Intermountain Hospital or Physician. This is corruption beyond belief. Hospitals and doctors DO NOT LOSE MONEY by seeing a Medicaid patient - they only make less money. The state's largest not for profit health system should do the right thing for Utahn's and accept Medicaid payment and the voter supported expansion. Shame on them for being so greedy.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 4, 2019 5:30 a.m.

    I am willing to pay much more in taxes so my less fortunate brothers and sisters can have health care

  • just one voice Highland, UT
    Feb. 3, 2019 12:40 p.m.

    Who pays for the health care of these faith leaders? How much of their own money goes to help someone in need of healthcare? Lead by example, faith "leaders."

  • The Atheist Provo, UT
    Feb. 2, 2019 11:12 a.m.

    dulce et decorum est,

    Very important comment!

    I find that, too often, conservatism blindly accepts a narrow, utilitarian conception of morality.

    Combined with "free market" capitalism, and an assumption that we live in a "just world" (where people get what they deserve), and the result is a ruthless, hard-hearted, blame-the-victim approach to social issues.

    Medicaid expansion should not be primarily nor strictly an economic decision; it should be primarily a moral and social decision, and the economics should follow to make the moral possible.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Feb. 2, 2019 2:13 a.m.

    @Ranch

    "Religion should be about helping the poor and needy, that is what this topic is about - not legislating away someone's right to marry or preventing a woman from controlling her own body."

    It's sounds like what you're saying is, helping the poor and needy makes the separation of church null and void, but if churches support conservative causes, that's when the separation of church and state should be used to silence churches. You might disagree, but to me that sounds like enforcing the Constitution only when its politically convenient to certain groups or certain causes.

  • dulce et decorum est , 00
    Feb. 1, 2019 12:34 p.m.

    Even if medicaid expansion were not eminently affordable, it is time that we realize that affordability is determined by our values and not by economic laws that leave no room for determinations of policy. Moral questions should not be held hostage to the systems of rules by which we run our economy. These rules are NOT an expression of natural law. Why, for example, do we decide that patent protection on new technologies lasts for 20 years and not 10, 15, or 25? Why are somewhat dubious software patents given the same term of protection as innovations in highly research intensive areas? The number of rules of economic import are numberless, and we all know the role that money and political influence plays in shaping them. Yet, when people find themselves on the wrong side of being benefited by these rules--often despite their best efforts to contribute to society--we are content to trust the rules of the game we have created to benefit ourselves and that would also deny these people basic human necessities under the banner of “affordability,” as opposed to questioning our own policy determinations. To my mind this is somewhat akin to worshiping a golden image.

  • Flipphone , 00
    Feb. 1, 2019 12:24 p.m.

    Yep, Socialism is the answer to all our problems. Just ask Venezuelans, they are living the good life thanks to Socialism.

  • Flipphone , 00
    Feb. 1, 2019 12:20 p.m.

    At one The LDS Church ran LDS Hospital, Cottonwood hospital, McKay Dee and Primary children's hospitals. The Catholic Church operated Holy cross hospital and St. Benedict's and the Methodist ran St. Marks hospital.... Instead of continuing to providing charitable care, they all sold their hospital operations to private hospital companies.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 1, 2019 12:01 p.m.

    @Anonymous100
    "As I understand it, the federal government will match funds for states who adopt Medicaid Expansion for the first 2 years, then they reduce their contribution to 90% meaning the state picks up the other 10%, that's 10% more than what the state is currently spending."

    That's partially right but it's missing a detail. The first couple years at 100% was back in 2014-2016. Then it gradually drops down until 2020 when it's 90%. So it's not at 100% right now, it's something much closer to the 90% (I don't know if it's 92.5%, but that'd be the even steps down from 2016 at 100% to 2020 at 90%).

  • bturner540 Centerville, UT
    Feb. 1, 2019 11:40 a.m.

    "Tens of thousands of poor and uninsured?" I may be agreeable to a limited Medicaid expansion, but not to an utterly false statement such as this. Anyone at or below the 138% FPL can get either a Select Health or University Health plan statewide with a ZERO deductible, $10 co-pay, and about $1900 out-of-pocket max for less than $25 month per person. If you are going to argue for the poor, at least show some honesty in disclosure rather than knee-jerk reaction intended to influence votes on the hill and score points with the media.

  • Lew Elton Jeppson Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 1, 2019 11:22 a.m.

    This inane debate shows how badly we need a form of socialism in this country. We need Eugene V Debs style socialism (look it up). And we need it as soon as possible.

  • golf tooele, UT
    Feb. 1, 2019 10:20 a.m.

    Rt. Rev. Scott Hayashi of the Episcopal Diocese of Utah Says money is not a concern. Its sounds like maybe his church is doing so well they may be able to fund medicaid?

  • Hairy Reasoner Springville, UT
    Feb. 1, 2019 9:14 a.m.

    @ WeThePeople

    "Religious leaders can say what they will, but Utah's government will never kowtow to the churches!"

    You're being facetious, right? If not, how can you say that with a straight face? The Utah legislature kowtows to a Church all the time, and that's not hyperbole.

    That being said, I'm not concerned that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints hasn't weighed in on this issue. The Church is a global organization with global concerns that may supersede this local issue. I know that the Church helps those in need and partners with other organizations (e.g., churches and nonprofits) to provide humanitarian services. For all we know, the Church may be partnering with and supporting the position of those very ecclesiastical leaders who are calling for no limits or delays on voter-approved Proposition 3. Let's just adopt it and move on.

  • bamafone Salem, UT
    Feb. 1, 2019 9:02 a.m.

    I though religions were not supposed to express their opinions or take a position on issues, when it comes to government in Utah, oh wait, I guess it’s just that LDS one right.

  • Flipphone , 00
    Feb. 1, 2019 8:40 a.m.

    Interesting that the "Faith's" no longer provide medical care to the population.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Feb. 1, 2019 8:33 a.m.

    "'Faith leaders' often support government programs under the misguided desire to promote charity. But 'charity' is voluntary giving of one's own money."

    We will be sure to tell the homeless, the widows, the orphans, the sick and afflicted that very thing as they suffer and pass away in misery without any help. Because, you know, that's what Jesus would do! Remember when he had an audience of people out in the wilderness with nothing to eat? Yeah, he took bread and fishes that didn't belong to anybody, and he told the hungry: "Get your own!"

    Right.

  • Weston Jurney West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 1, 2019 7:35 a.m.

    How DARE a bunch of religious leaders express an opinion on a way to reduce human suffering!

    But not to worry, our "faitful" representatives will check with "The" Church, and do what they're told.

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    Feb. 1, 2019 7:16 a.m.

    "Faith leaders" often support government programs under the misguided desire to promote charity.
    But "charity" is voluntary giving of one's own money.
    When the government forcibly takes your money, and inefficiently spends it on questionable programs, it is no longer "charity", no matter how noble the program sounds. Liberals and some "faith leaders" want to assuage their own consciences over "charity" by giving away other people's money.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Feb. 1, 2019 7:14 a.m.

    If it isn't about someone having unapproved sex, the predominant religion has nothing to say about it. Typical.

    @imsmarterthanyou;

    Just think, if we had single payer, you would be insured.

    @Alferd Packer;

    Club dues aren't "charity".

    @ClarkHippo;

    Religion should be about helping the poor and needy, that is what this topic is about - not legislating away someone's right to marry or preventing a woman from controlling her own body.

    @Bob Tanner;

    I'd rather trust in reality, but I agree that the legislature doesn't give a darn toot what we think.

  • Mick , 00
    Feb. 1, 2019 6:26 a.m.

    You want government to pay for more Medicaid? Are you also okay with government forcing doctors to take those patients? They (doctors) don’t want to take it for insurance. They lose money when they see Medicaid patients. There are very few who do. Hospitals are forced to take it.

    You may “solve” one problem by getting people insured on paper, but there is no one to see them other than the ER. That’s an expensive visit. So we are right back to where we started.

    All of you bleeding a hearts need to look at the financials with this problem. It is not as easy as just getting people insured. That’s why the ACA has been such an expensive flop.

  • emb Pleasant Grove, UT
    Feb. 1, 2019 6:07 a.m.

    Hope legislators listen, really listen to all views

  • 1hemlock Tooele, Utah
    Feb. 1, 2019 5:03 a.m.

    This is an unfunded mandate. The federal government kicks in for awhile then it backs out and all of us are left holding the bag.
    A quote often attributed to Alexis de Toquerville but is probably from Alexander Fraser Tytler states: "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy."
    Variant: The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money.
    The assumptions quoted about increases in productivity or the economy are NOT directly attributable to an expansion of Medicaid.
    One thing is true though. A democrat politician will invariably will want to spend other people's money in the most wasteful way possible.
    As an example : the SLC mayor spends and spends.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Feb. 1, 2019 3:05 a.m.

    To those complaining that the LDS church did not step in and state an opinion there is something to point out.

    Many people have consistently decried religious people who speak of morality in the public square. This is as much a setback for liberal and progressive views in the US. You've hurt social justice because if someone speaks of social justice or inequality or human rights, the first question they have to answer is, "Why are you pushing your morality on society?"

    So, please, explain why in this instance it is OK for these faith leaders to apply their morality in society. Then, perhaps we can get into a discussion about if this will really help, or the best way to do it.

    First things first.

  • dulce et decorum est , 00
    Jan. 31, 2019 11:46 p.m.

    I wish my faith leaders were signatories.

  • WeThePeople Sandy, UT
    Jan. 31, 2019 11:42 p.m.

    I, for one, am grateful to be living in a state where our leaders make decisions based on fiscal responsibility. No Utah legislator will be pressured into irresponsibly voting based on this bleeding-heart moralizing. Religious leaders can say what they will, but Utah's government will never kowtow to the churches!

  • EDM Castle Valley, Utah
    Jan. 31, 2019 11:00 p.m.

    @ Fullypresent

    “How is it going to be paid for long term? What taxes are going to be raised to pay for it?”

    When we are lucky enough to have universal healthcare coverage, our taxes will go up. But then, no one will have to pay a health insurance premium (“ouch!” says Big Pharma) so it all kinda works out to be the same thing - except that no one gets left out.

    Please spare us doomsday predictions, as most of the world is living proof that universal coverage is the only answer.

  • EDM Castle Valley, Utah
    Jan. 31, 2019 10:10 p.m.

    @ imsmarterthanyou

    “I oppose it too. I'm really tired of paying for insurance (and everything else) for ‘less fortunate’ people when I can't get insurance myself.”

    If you cannot get insurance yourself, then you must first recognize that you are in the “less fortunate” category - whom you claim to be “paying for.” But keep your chin up. There are plenty of people like me who are absolutely willing to change our lives for universal healthcare coverage in these United States so that you and everyone else is covered.

  • cmsense Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 31, 2019 9:46 p.m.

    Very disappointed in the legislature. It does send a message, why vote?

    We need medicaid expansion that doesn't need any "waivers" to be approved, otherwise their replacement bill just torpedos medicaid expansion and the will of the majority of Utahns.

    This bill will be a sad day for the poor of Utah.

    Health insurance for my family when I was working for myself was over $2000 per month. How are those in the 100% to 138% of poverty supposed to afford that without spending over 50% of their income on health insurance? And since it needs a waiver, no doubt those making under 100% of poverty that don't qualify now won't qualify after this bill either.

    This is what the GOP represents now?

  • SusanScrubOak Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2019 9:23 p.m.

    @ClarkHippo

    The ACLU has defended Conservative, Right-wing, and even White-Supremacists on grounds of free speech and civil liberties many times. Cases include: Rush Limbaugh - arrested for possession of prescription medication not belonging to him, the KKK - for their right to march (multiple times), the march in Charlottesville, Virginia by the White Supremacist group in 2017.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2019 8:56 p.m.

    How is it going to be paid for long term? What taxes are going to be raised to pay for it?

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Jan. 31, 2019 7:57 p.m.

    @Happy Valley

    Ok. You asked:. "So where were they?".

    Let me take s stab at that question.

    "They" were probably organizing continuing relief efforts for some third world country (ies).

    Perhaps "they" were still trying to help those who lost their homes and so much more in those devastating California wild fires.

    Maybe "they" were determining how and when to replace the new, nearly completed stake center in St. George by some "brave" arsonist.

    One thing we can be sure of: "They" will continue to try to help their brothers and sisters, including the less fortunate.

    Perhaps, just perhaps, we should "go and do likewise".

  • FelisConcolor Layton, UT
    Jan. 31, 2019 7:53 p.m.

    @Prometheus

    "Guess they don't stand for compassion and helping the poor and sick."

    Are you serious?

    The LDS Church, through its individual congregations, spends millions every year in this state to help support the poor and the sick. Like an iceberg, you only see about 1/10 of what LDS wards do -- if that much.

    Like my ward: For several months we supported a member and his family who was dealing with cancer. And it was all done quietly, with no fanfare. Only a few people knew he was receiving charity.

    I know because as ward clerk I personally cut the checks to pay his mortgage, utilities, and medical bills. Thousands of dollars that came from the pockets of individual members through their fast offerings. And he wasn't the only one who received financial support from the ward.

    Perhaps if you removed the beam from your eye you'd see that your neighbors are far more charitable than you think they are.

    What the LDS Church doesn't do is sanctimoniously preen in front of the cameras while demanding that the government take money from others in order to fulfill their vision of piety.

    It's always easier to spend someone else's money than your own.

  • oaklandaforlife Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2019 7:33 p.m.

    As is the norm, Prop 3 will be shredded apart. Prop 4 is resting it's weary head knowing the chopping block is next in line.

  • SusanScrubOak Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2019 7:25 p.m.

    Very generous of Utahns to pay for Medicaid expansion in the states that have chosen to expand it under the ACA. Utahns pay into Medicaid whether they accept the expansion or not. By refusing, Utahns are cutting off their own noses to benefit medical insurance companies. I’ve never gotten a thank you note from California, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Washington, Oregon...have you?

  • SusanScrubOak Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2019 7:16 p.m.

    In Europe, Israel, Canada, Japan, average spending on healthcare is 10% of GDP. There are 0 bankruptcies due to medical bills. Every citizen is covered.

    In the United States spends 18% of GDP on healthcare. An average of 643,000 Americans file bankruptcy due to medical bills annually. The US has higher infant mortality rates than other industrialized nations and shorter life expectancies. States the size of Kentucky that expanded Medicaid under ACA will save $1 billion over 10 years.

    The only people that should profit from the healthcare industry are healthcare workers. Doctors, Nurses, Clerks, Technicians, Custodians. Not medical insurance companies whose only motive is: PROFIT, not patient care.

    Kill the medical insurance industry. It is barbaric.

  • Bob Tanner Price, UT
    Jan. 31, 2019 6:56 p.m.

    Does "In God We Trust" mean anything anymore? The will of the people should be honored if we are a democracy...the will of the people should supersede the will of the legislature. I do not think money alone is the reason the legislature is so anxious to overturn the will of the people. It is a sad day indeed when we pick and choose who will get basic health care and who will not. Do we trust in God? Where there is a will there will always be a way. We might have to work to find it but the way is there.

  • eigerjoe Sandy, UT
    Jan. 31, 2019 6:33 p.m.

    Medicaid expansion is all about money. How and who is going to pay for it? How much money are those 40 faith leaders willing to contribute towards medicaid expansion? Are those 40 faith leaders willing to cut benefits in other areas and services to fund medicaid expansion? Will taxes have to be raised to fund it? Bottom line for me is no more taxes. If it can be done with existing funds and revenue - go for it.

  • water rocket , 00
    Jan. 31, 2019 6:32 p.m.

    In the fuzzy warm world of socialism free healthcare, free medicine, free education/higher education, free, free, free all sound so good. And certainly there are those who do "benefit". But when it comes to PAYING for all these "free" services, well, they leave that to others to figure out. Then when anyone brings up the the reality of cost/benefit ratios and how to pay for these "services" they close their ears. I have no doubt that there are people in special situations that need help, but we are mortals. When we don't take care of ourselves, or abuse our bodies, they break down. Then there are some people who feel they have to go to the doctor for every sniffle and cough, so long as they don't have to pay for it. And of course, we have the medical profession that wants to grow wealthy (especially big pharma and the insurance companies), so the tax payer gets soaked, and soaked, and soaked. I applaud the legislature 100% for standing up to the funding issue. Unlike California, who simply passes stuff like this and then passes those costs on to the next generation to pay the bill, they are actually doing their job.

  • Stacey23 Westminster, CO
    Jan. 31, 2019 6:08 p.m.

    Quote:
    The Rt. Rev. Scott Hayashi of the Episcopal Diocese of Utah, one of the sponsors of Proposition 3, said the issue shouldn't be about money but about understanding those who struggle because they do not have health care.

    Seems to me these "40 faith leaders" are real, real excited to be spending other people's money. God never said "steal from others and give it to the poor". He said to help the poor yourself. Beware of false Prophets.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Jan. 31, 2019 5:34 p.m.

    @Impartial7: "Nice sentiments."

    What?

    You're repeated demanded separation of church and state. You've declared there is no place for religious beliefs in government.

    How could it possibly be "nice sentiments" for a bunch of professional clergymen to be meddling in politics by voicing religiously based views to try to influence legislation? Is this not the very conduct that results in certain folks declaring we have a "religiousature" in Utah rather than a legislature?

    Or is it only certain religious views that must be excised from the public square?

    For the record, I fully support the rights of these ministers--and any others motivated by sincere religious beliefs--to voice their opinions, to petition government, to seek to have their values reflected in law. I support these rights, even as I disagree strenuously with the specific position taken in this case.

    A mild consistency on basic principles requires that one's position not change 180 degrees based on what someone advocates for or against.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Jan. 31, 2019 5:26 p.m.

    @HappyValley

    Yes. It is so easy to tell others how to spend THEIR money.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Jan. 31, 2019 5:05 p.m.

    No comments yet from those who would normally be shouting about the separation of church and state. How come?

    I can't help but wonder if those who would ordinarily be doing so are being quiet because, in this case, they agree with these church leaders. It is only when a church makes a statement they disagree with that the shouts of separating church and state are heard.

    This proves the point I've made many times before which is, organizations like the ACLU and Americans United only object to religion getting involved in politics when the politics is conservative. When the politics is liberal, churches can be as political as they want, and the ACLU and Americans United will not utter a peep of criticism.

    Next time you hear a Democrat or liberal activist talk about their support of the separation of church and state, what they're really saying is, they support barring conservative groups or politicians from using churches as a political arm in support of their causes, while liberal groups and politicians may have free and unlimited use of churches in supporting their causes.

  • dski HERRIMAN, UT
    Jan. 31, 2019 5:05 p.m.

    It is interesting to see that some influence people in the community do not think money should not be considered in this case. With this mindset, who else will pay for this? At the same time, I do not see those who supported this proposition, stepping up with their wallets to pay for this either. Meanwhile, I have not seen any money falling from the sky to pay for this either.

  • SusanScrubOak Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2019 4:59 p.m.

    A link to the letter itself with the names of the 40 signatories would be most appreciated.

    Who, What, Where, When, Why

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Jan. 31, 2019 4:58 p.m.

    Herbert Gravy "Oh, my. How could anyone suggest that the LDS Church does "not stand for compassion and helping the poor and the sick"?"

    So where were they?

    They obviously can't afford to help all the poor and sick, or we wouldn't be having a conversation, that is why we need to help as society, and fill in the gap between what religion can do and can't.

    Alferd Packer asks: "What have you done for your fellow man "dordrecht" and "Impartial7"? "

    I love how religious folks claim charity thru tithing.

    In 1993 a Temple cost 24 million to build, gotta be double that now, so that doesn't make 40 million seem like much to give to the sick and poor.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Jan. 31, 2019 4:31 p.m.

    @PPlatypus

    Oh, my. How could anyone suggest that the LDS Church does "not stand for compassion and helping the poor and the sick"?

    Please show me an organization of similar size that does MORE to help the poor and the sick.

    To suggest otherwise defies logic.

    Thank you.

  • Paul8777 Brigham City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2019 4:26 p.m.

    The legislature consistently cuts taxes then moans that it simply doesn't have the money to address needs such as education and health care. This year is no different with the Governor and legislators falling over themselves to see who can propose the largest cuts.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2019 3:50 p.m.

    Well the "faith leaders" with power over the reps aren't in this group.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Jan. 31, 2019 3:39 p.m.

    Anonymous100 said: "As I understand it, the federal government will match funds for states who adopt Medicaid Expansion for the first 2 years, then they reduce their contribution to 90% meaning the state picks up the other 10%, that's 10% more than what the state is currently spending. Where is the money going to come from? If the federal government wants to expand Medicaid, then expand it - all of it - forever. Don't hit the states with an additional 10% "tax."

    Actually, Utah was already paying into the 100% / 90% that the feds are returning to states smart enough to cover the poor, but Utah prefers to give that money to other states to supplement their citizens, cause their arrogance and hatred for all things Obama.

    So It's nice of you to give to other states without wanting any of your money back.

    The best managed state, managed to give away your health care taxes to other states.

  • Alferd Packer Riverton, UT
    Jan. 31, 2019 3:35 p.m.

    I think the CJCLDS is doing its share when it comes to charity spending on average $40million/year. Reference the article in the Deseret news on July 12, 2016 - "
    LDS Church welfare, humanitarian efforts average $40 million per year, apostle says"

    What have you done for your fellow man "dordrecht" and "Impartial7"?

    Give Matthew 7:16-20 a read some time.

  • stevo123 Driggs, ID
    Jan. 31, 2019 3:26 p.m.

    I agree with the faith leaders 100%. We spend so much on message bills and things like the Inland Port that spending money on health care is a great return on the dollar.

  • Anonymous100 Anywhere, UT
    Jan. 31, 2019 3:12 p.m.

    As I understand it, the federal government will match funds for states who adopt Medicaid Expansion for the first 2 years, then they reduce their contribution to 90% meaning the state picks up the other 10%, that's 10% more than what the state is currently spending. Where is the money going to come from? If the federal government wants to expand Medicaid, then expand it - all of it - forever. Don't hit the states with an additional 10% "tax."

  • 🎼TruthIsMarching Boston, MA
    Jan. 31, 2019 3:06 p.m.

    Were the UAB and FLDS included? They are part of the community of faith in Utah.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Jan. 31, 2019 2:45 p.m.

    I too, found it curious that the only faith based group that matters to the legislature wasn't there?

    Guess they don't stand for compassion and helping the poor and sick.

    They seem to prefer prohibition of things by civil law which they already forbid their members from doing, but feel the need to impose them on the general public too.

    I hope it's an oversight, for my LDS friends who have compassion for their neighbors and fellow man.

  • imsmarterthanyou Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2019 2:28 p.m.

    I oppose it too. I'm really tired of paying for insurance (and everything else) for "less fortunate" people when I can't get insurance myself.

  • dordrecht Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2019 1:53 p.m.

    No names or pictures of the predominant faith leaders. Certainly the leaders of the Church of JESUS CHRIST would have compassion enough to favor the lot of those without insurance. After all, Jesus Himself had compassion for the underdog.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 31, 2019 1:41 p.m.

    Nice sentiments. But, only one faith matters in Utah. And, 90% of our lawmakers belong to that faith. If they supported Medicaid, you'd have a passing vote, today.