So you got tired of the legislature ignoring what you want. So you voted for the
propositions. Now the legislature is once again arrogantly thwarting what you
want. Which brings up the question: why do you vote for these people? I know
many of you would be horrified at voting for Democrats, but they all supported
the propositions and are against changing them. Why not try voting for people
who agree with you instead of arrogant people who dont think you are smart
enough to know what you want?
@NoNamesAccepted"When the people can vote themselves money from the
public treasury, without even having to pretend to designate the funding for
that money, we are doomed."We voted to increase taxes on
ourselves for that program.
Completely unconscionable!For those who support full Medicaid
expansion, it is time to hold your legislative "representatives"
accountable.At best, the Senators who voted to advance S.B. 96 out
of committee (Ron Winterton, Stuart Adams, Gregg Buxton, Allen Christensen,
Scott Sandall, and Evan Vickers) just chose to exclude from Medicaid coverage
those with income falls between 100% and 138% of the Federal Poverty Level
($12,141 - $16,753 for an individual; $25,101 - $34,638 for a family of four),
and to leave them uninsured. More likely though, is that this bill kills
Medicaid expansion in Utah altogether, because Medicaid partial expansion waiver
approval is far from certain, with the risk of being stuck in "approval
limbo".Write yourself a reminder where it won't get lost,
and when these legislators, and others who subsequently vote to eliminate or
supplant Proposition 3, are up for re-election, vote against them! Stand tough,
and send the message that there WILL be consequences for disregarding their
I am writing my senator and representative every day until this debacle is
over.Good People of Utah! Go to the Utah legislature website where
you can easily find who represents you. You can send a message to your senator
and representative from the same page. It’s simple.
@atlonglast wrote: "Many, if not most, folks complaining don't
understand that we do not live in a democracy, but rather a republic, or
representative democracy."Oh we understand it just fine. But
even in a representative democracy, the voters are entitled (even encouraged) to
criticize their elected representatives and to vote them out if they don't
comply with our political wishes. This is not a situation where "the
thinking has been done."If you're disgusted with the
Legislature's ignoring the people's votes, call your legislators and
I am willing to accept a tax increase so the less fortunate can receive medical
insurance.We call ourselfs Christians but are we really believers in his
This is a rare instance where I feel certain that Utah voters will punish those
who now wish to reject the will of the people by "modifying" what they
voted for. Stay tuned.
Let's eliminate Health Care coverage for our part-time state legislators -
they shouldn't be covered by the state for it.
I voted to expand Medicaid not realizing the money wasn't there.Though I wish it wasn't so, the legislature can't let a law stand
where there is no money to pay for it.The writers of the Medicare
bill should have done a better job.
Many, if not most, folks complaining don't understand that we do not live
in a democracy, but rather a republic, or representative democracy. Pure
democracy is essentially a 'mobocracy' where the majority always rule
and are often wrong in what they want to do. Our representatives are elected to
practice reason over the emotions of the crowd. This represents the
precise case here with Prop 3. If you don't like the results, then vote
out your elected representatives, but don't give in to tyranny of the
majority. This is not a democracy, thank God.
Why even bother voting in Utah. It doesn’t matter, so sad. I have no valid
representation with Utah politics and laws. I losing faith in our system.
Thank you, Senators! I'm so glad that you have the fiscal discipline and
moral principles to dismiss the short-sighted vote of the clueless masses.
the measured passed by voters does not provide sufficient funding, despite the
tax increase it imposes. a legislative fix is needed.those who
complain about proposed tax cuts seem to think the state produces the money and
allows the citizens to keep it out of the state's largess.nothing could be farther from the truth. before the funds were confiscated as
taxes, they were earned by those from whom the state takes them. To
maintain a modern and civil society, a certain level of taxes are required, but
the state is not and cannot be responsible for every last need of every person
within its boundaries.
NoNamesAccepted wrote, "I tire of people who can't handle their own
finances presuming to tell the State or me how we ought to handle our
finances."If you're referring to the 555651 people who
voted for Prop. 3, we weren't presuming to tell you how to do anything; we
were telling the State that many people are without health coverage and we want
to help them.If by any chance you're referring to the
low-income Utahns that benefit from Prop. 3, then I think you are mistaken to
believe they have low incomes because they don't know how to handle their
Why should the public vote if their vote does not count? Is this Venezuela?
The bill advanced today is ill-conceived and disrespectful to the voters of
Utah. It's time for us to seriously reconsider the judgement and morality
of the people who supposedly represent us in the state legislature.
When the people can vote themselves money from the public treasury, without even
having to pretend to designate the funding for that money, we are doomed.Prop 13 limiting property taxes was a great idea in California. I'd
love to see it in Utah. But then a couple of generations of Californians have
gone on to vote to spend money that the State can't raise. Cali is near
bankrupt while Utah enjoys a budget surplus and a rainy day fund.If
most of those covered by medicaid expansion are the "working poor" then
a work requirement will have very little effect will it? But if the real goal of
Prop 3 was to just hand out more money without any regard for work, or real
need, then than needed fixing for sure.I wonder how many would have
voted for Prop 3 if the question had included this:"Those voting
for this are agreeing to an increase in their own taxes to fund it. Those who
vote against it will not be required to pay higher taxes if they don't want
to."I tire of people who can't handle their own finances
presuming to tell the State or me how we ought to handle our finances.Legislators won re-election by wider margins than Prop 3 passed. They need to
fix Prop 3.
"'The bottom line is we are expanding Medicaid,' Christensen said
just before the vote advancing the bill to the Senate floor. 'We are doing
as Prop. 3 voters wanted in a fiscally, financially responsible way and getting
it done.'""Christensen's bill expands Medicaid
only to those earning less than 100 percent of the poverty rate,..."So he wasn't telling the truth when he said they are doing as Prop.
3 voters wanted. The truth is they are doing less than what voters wanted.Here are the members of the Senate Health and Human Services Committee,
according to the Senate web site:Winterton, Ron - Chair Adams,
Stuart Buxton, Gregg Christensen, AllenEscamilla, Luz Iwamoto, Jani Sandall, ScottVickers, EvanEscamilla and
Iwamoto are the two that voted *against* advancing this bill, which disregards
the wishes of the voters.
We need a law replacing the legislators voting for this. Ignoring the will of
the people never usually works out well. Even in Utah.