Bill replacing Prop. 3 Medicaid expansion passes committee

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  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2019 12:43 p.m.

    So you got tired of the legislature ignoring what you want. So you voted for the propositions. Now the legislature is once again arrogantly thwarting what you want. Which brings up the question: why do you vote for these people? I know many of you would be horrified at voting for Democrats, but they all supported the propositions and are against changing them. Why not try voting for people who agree with you instead of arrogant people who dont think you are smart enough to know what you want?

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2019 11:10 a.m.

    @NoNamesAccepted
    "When the people can vote themselves money from the public treasury, without even having to pretend to designate the funding for that money, we are doomed."

    We voted to increase taxes on ourselves for that program.

  • SG in SLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2019 10:25 a.m.

    Completely unconscionable!

    For those who support full Medicaid expansion, it is time to hold your legislative "representatives" accountable.

    At best, the Senators who voted to advance S.B. 96 out of committee (Ron Winterton, Stuart Adams, Gregg Buxton, Allen Christensen, Scott Sandall, and Evan Vickers) just chose to exclude from Medicaid coverage those with income falls between 100% and 138% of the Federal Poverty Level ($12,141 - $16,753 for an individual; $25,101 - $34,638 for a family of four), and to leave them uninsured. More likely though, is that this bill kills Medicaid expansion in Utah altogether, because Medicaid partial expansion waiver approval is far from certain, with the risk of being stuck in "approval limbo".

    Write yourself a reminder where it won't get lost, and when these legislators, and others who subsequently vote to eliminate or supplant Proposition 3, are up for re-election, vote against them! Stand tough, and send the message that there WILL be consequences for disregarding their voting constituents!

  • EDM Castle Valley, Utah
    Jan. 30, 2019 10:16 a.m.

    I am writing my senator and representative every day until this debacle is over.

    Good People of Utah! Go to the Utah legislature website where you can easily find who represents you. You can send a message to your senator and representative from the same page. It’s simple.

  • shamrock Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2019 9:52 a.m.

    @atlonglast wrote: "Many, if not most, folks complaining don't understand that we do not live in a democracy, but rather a republic, or representative democracy."

    Oh we understand it just fine. But even in a representative democracy, the voters are entitled (even encouraged) to criticize their elected representatives and to vote them out if they don't comply with our political wishes. This is not a situation where "the thinking has been done."

    If you're disgusted with the Legislature's ignoring the people's votes, call your legislators and tell them!

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2019 8:56 a.m.

    I am willing to accept a tax increase so the less fortunate can receive medical insurance.
    We call ourselfs Christians but are we really believers in his teachings?

  • Thomas Thompson Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2019 7:57 a.m.

    This is a rare instance where I feel certain that Utah voters will punish those who now wish to reject the will of the people by "modifying" what they voted for. Stay tuned.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Jan. 30, 2019 7:04 a.m.

    Let's eliminate Health Care coverage for our part-time state legislators - they shouldn't be covered by the state for it.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 30, 2019 7:04 a.m.

    I voted to expand Medicaid not realizing the money wasn't there.

    Though I wish it wasn't so, the legislature can't let a law stand where there is no money to pay for it.

    The writers of the Medicare bill should have done a better job.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Jan. 30, 2019 6:19 a.m.

    Many, if not most, folks complaining don't understand that we do not live in a democracy, but rather a republic, or representative democracy. Pure democracy is essentially a 'mobocracy' where the majority always rule and are often wrong in what they want to do. Our representatives are elected to practice reason over the emotions of the crowd.

    This represents the precise case here with Prop 3. If you don't like the results, then vote out your elected representatives, but don't give in to tyranny of the majority. This is not a democracy, thank God.

  • mightymite , 00
    Jan. 30, 2019 4:01 a.m.

    Why even bother voting in Utah. It doesn’t matter, so sad. I have no valid representation with Utah politics and laws. I losing faith in our system.

  • WeThePeople Sandy, UT
    Jan. 30, 2019 1:12 a.m.

    Thank you, Senators! I'm so glad that you have the fiscal discipline and moral principles to dismiss the short-sighted vote of the clueless masses.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 29, 2019 10:04 p.m.

    the measured passed by voters does not provide sufficient funding, despite the tax increase it imposes. a legislative fix is needed.

    those who complain about proposed tax cuts seem to think the state produces the money and allows the citizens to keep it out of the state's largess.

    nothing could be farther from the truth. before the funds were confiscated as taxes, they were earned by those from whom the state takes them.

    To maintain a modern and civil society, a certain level of taxes are required, but the state is not and cannot be responsible for every last need of every person within its boundaries.

  • srw Riverton, UT
    Jan. 29, 2019 10:04 p.m.

    NoNamesAccepted wrote, "I tire of people who can't handle their own finances presuming to tell the State or me how we ought to handle our finances."

    If you're referring to the 555651 people who voted for Prop. 3, we weren't presuming to tell you how to do anything; we were telling the State that many people are without health coverage and we want to help them.

    If by any chance you're referring to the low-income Utahns that benefit from Prop. 3, then I think you are mistaken to believe they have low incomes because they don't know how to handle their finances.

  • dordrecht Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 29, 2019 9:44 p.m.

    Why should the public vote if their vote does not count? Is this Venezuela?

  • The Dark Knight Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 29, 2019 9:29 p.m.

    The bill advanced today is ill-conceived and disrespectful to the voters of Utah. It's time for us to seriously reconsider the judgement and morality of the people who supposedly represent us in the state legislature.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Jan. 29, 2019 8:40 p.m.

    When the people can vote themselves money from the public treasury, without even having to pretend to designate the funding for that money, we are doomed.

    Prop 13 limiting property taxes was a great idea in California. I'd love to see it in Utah. But then a couple of generations of Californians have gone on to vote to spend money that the State can't raise. Cali is near bankrupt while Utah enjoys a budget surplus and a rainy day fund.

    If most of those covered by medicaid expansion are the "working poor" then a work requirement will have very little effect will it? But if the real goal of Prop 3 was to just hand out more money without any regard for work, or real need, then than needed fixing for sure.

    I wonder how many would have voted for Prop 3 if the question had included this:

    "Those voting for this are agreeing to an increase in their own taxes to fund it. Those who vote against it will not be required to pay higher taxes if they don't want to."

    I tire of people who can't handle their own finances presuming to tell the State or me how we ought to handle our finances.

    Legislators won re-election by wider margins than Prop 3 passed. They need to fix Prop 3.

  • srw Riverton, UT
    Jan. 29, 2019 8:00 p.m.

    "'The bottom line is we are expanding Medicaid,' Christensen said just before the vote advancing the bill to the Senate floor. 'We are doing as Prop. 3 voters wanted in a fiscally, financially responsible way and getting it done.'"

    "Christensen's bill expands Medicaid only to those earning less than 100 percent of the poverty rate,..."

    So he wasn't telling the truth when he said they are doing as Prop. 3 voters wanted. The truth is they are doing less than what voters wanted.

    Here are the members of the Senate Health and Human Services Committee, according to the Senate web site:
    Winterton, Ron - Chair
    Adams, Stuart
    Buxton, Gregg
    Christensen, Allen
    Escamilla, Luz
    Iwamoto, Jani
    Sandall, Scott
    Vickers, Evan

    Escamilla and Iwamoto are the two that voted *against* advancing this bill, which disregards the wishes of the voters.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 29, 2019 7:12 p.m.

    We need a law replacing the legislators voting for this. Ignoring the will of the people never usually works out well. Even in Utah.