Utah House passes criminal code cleanup bill that would repeal laws against adultery, sodomy

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  • Eponymous Eggplant Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2019 2:47 p.m.

    "I'm not sure that the majority of our citizens oppose adultery."

    Whether or not that's true, it certainly appears we're headed in that direction. The left's campaign of cultural Marxism is working, and the Democrat/Entertainment/Media complex advancing that agenda wields immense power.

    Paul had it right in his epistle to the Ephesians. See Eph 6:12.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Jan. 30, 2019 12:22 p.m.

    @Thomas Thompson;

    "Is there a valid reason to leave them on the books for the largely symbolic purpose of signaling the opposition to adultery and sodomy by the majority of our citizens?"

    -- Given the election of a (proud of it/brags about it) adulterer to the Presidency of the USA, I'm not sure that the majority of our citizens oppose adultery. (And a large number of straight citizens practice sodomy too, it isn't just for "The Gays" any more).

    @cjb;

    These laws are far from "good".

  • HSTucker Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2019 11:56 a.m.

    @Thomas Thompson: Thank you for an insightful comment. I agree that there is more going on than meets the eye, as also with the recent discussion (if it can be called that) of "Hate crime" legislation.

  • Pale Bear Orem, UT
    Jan. 30, 2019 10:00 a.m.

    The legal (not moral) definition of marriage has been in flux for awhile. Like Green Chili, my first thought is that if adultery is legal, if same-gender marriage is legal, why isn’t polygamy legal? I personally don’t want to practice it, but why is it any different given the changing definition of legal marriages?

  • 🔥 Green Chille 🌯 Albuquerque, NM
    Jan. 30, 2019 8:21 a.m.

    Adultery is legal, but polygamy is illegal?

  • Thomas Thompson Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2019 6:52 a.m.

    With unanimous support in the Utah House of Representatives, it looks like this may also pass in the Senate and also be approved by our Governor. But previous efforts to make exactly this change in the law have failed because they have not been supported by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It would appear that the Church's opposition to adultery and sodomy haven't changed, despite the fact that such laws have been declared legally unenforceable in our nation for a significant period of time. Is there a valid reason to leave them on the books for the largely symbolic purpose of signaling the opposition to adultery and sodomy by the majority of our citizens? That's the real issue here, and it seems to me to be a closer question than the article implies.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 30, 2019 6:46 a.m.

    Members of the Supreme Court chance all the time.

    If laws are good, they shouldn't be changed just because the Supreme Court ruled against the law years ago. The present day Supreme Court or a future Supreme Court may uphold that law.

  • canyonprophet69 provo, UT
    Jan. 29, 2019 6:33 p.m.

    With all of the backward steps this legislature takes (notice I didn't say "our" ), it's minimally refreshing to see a tiny step forward whenever we can get one.

  • NeifyT Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 29, 2019 5:04 p.m.

    @1covey,

    Your point is invalid; as there is no "marriage contract" that specifies sexuality to be kept within the marriage. That is not written anywhere.

    There is a social and normative cultural expectation that sexuality be kept within the marriage; but this is not written into any legal contract that is signed between a couple.

    Now, if a couple wished to write such a contract between them that goes above and beyond the legal recognition of "marriage" then they are free to write a contract that includes limitations to their sexuality, and then such a contract if breached could be taken to the courts and enforced.

    But as for the legal recognition of marriage ... sexuality has nothing to do with it at all; could point again to all the legal wrangling over same sex marriage; along with hundreds of other court cases for the past 50 or more years. We take it for granted because of our culture and social expectations that sex and marriage are linked; but legally that is simply not true.

  • NeifyT Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 29, 2019 4:58 p.m.

    @Why would I?

    It is not a moral decay that caused this; but rather an understanding of the fundamental purposes of the First Amendment of the US Constitution.

    Human sexuality is fundamentally a physical expression of emotion; hence it is a "speech" issue, and as it involves two (or more) persons it is also an "association" issue.

    The Supreme Court has long upheld that sexual expression is both a part of freedom of speech and freedom to associate with others; so long as the expression is between two consenting adults (as children are not legally allowed to give consent for such activities).

    Laws against adultery therefore were found by the Supreme Court to be Unconstitutional decades ago; because they do violate the tenants of limiting speech and association.

    As for the morality or lack thereof for adultery; that is not what the laws are about. Laws do not cover morality (as morality is a social/cultural construct). It is fine for our culture to identify adultery as immoral; but is unconstitutional to punish it criminally because of our constitutionally protected right to express ourselves and peaceably associate with others.

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 29, 2019 4:40 p.m.

    Repeal of sodomy laws is a logical consequence of previous 'revisions' of Constitutional intents; but adultery is breaking a contract; it is a married person having relations with someone other than his/her legal spouse.

  • caleby Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 29, 2019 3:48 p.m.

    Adultery. May not be illegal but that does not mean it's a good idea.

  • Why would I? Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 29, 2019 3:45 p.m.

    Why would I not be surprised to find that the moral compass in our State, as well as our Nation, continues its downward spiral. Maybe next they can say it's OK to steal...