Daniel Peterson: A major new Latter-day Saint resource for New Testament study

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  • Justathoughtortwo New York, NY
    Feb. 11, 2019 9:28 a.m.

    @OxyMoroni

    "...this Wayment guy (whoever he is)....

    Daniel Peterson tells you exactly who Dr. Wayment is: "a professor of classics at Brigham Young University (and, before that, of religious education) who received his doctorate from the famous program in New Testament studies at California's Claremont Graduate School." In other words, Dr. Wayment is qualified to translate the New Testament.

    You write that his translation of the New Testament is available for "only $129.99." If you had clicked on the link that Dr. Peterson provides in his review, you would have easily seen that the translation is available for $29.99 in paperback, $14.99 as an eBook. I don't know where you came up with your outlandish price. I can tell you from personal experience, after you take out the cost of goods and what the vendor makes, the author--or, in this case, the translator--is making very little from each book. He is most definitely not in it for the money.

  • OxyMoroni Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2019 1:07 p.m.

    I'm just glad this Wayment guy (whoever he is) decided we needed another version of the New Testament. That version just happens to be his own and it can be yours for only $129.99. I'm just glad this Wayment guy (whoever he is) is not in it for the money. $$

  • CMTM , 00
    Jan. 29, 2019 3:17 p.m.

    Twin Lights. Angels were created because He commanded. Ex 20, all of Creation took place within 6 days; therefore, angels were created in the 1st 6 days.

    Job 38, Hebrew poetry, angels ("sons of God") shouted for joy with the creation of earth. This means angels existed before the creation of earth and the material universe including man.

    Gen 1, God first created the heavens and the earth. On the basis of Ex 20 and Job 38, angels were created on the 1st day of Creation, and the angels rejoiced as God brought earth into existence. at their time of creation, the spiritual state of angels was good; they were all initially holy angels

    RE: But,The important thing isn’t when God created the angels, but why He created them.
    Angels were created for one reason: to do God’s will. (Psalm 103:20 NASB) Bless the LORD, you His angels, Mighty in strength, who perform His word, Obeying the voice of His word!

    In Col 1:15-16, Jesus Christ *created the visible and invisible world including angels and powerful establishments in both visible and invisible worlds as "thrones, dominions, rulers, or authorities."
    *create, G. 2936, God makes what was "not there before" ( ex nihilo, out of nothing,

  • sharrona layton, UT
    Jan. 29, 2019 10:03 a.m.

    Steve C. Warren .”The statement you refer to was made by Joseph Smith in an April 1843 conference: “There are those of the rising generation who shall not taste death till Christ comes.”

    He also said in (Genesis 50:33 JST),“That seer… his name shall be called Joseph and it shall be after the name of his father”.

    He adds prophecy about himself in his Inspired Version. But NOT found in Greek Septuagint (Apostles Bible) or dead Sea Scrolls.

    You would think he would be in Hebrews 11,the hero’s of faith. E.g.. V 21 …. Joseph [not Smith

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Jan. 29, 2019 9:19 a.m.

    @Herbert Grave and skeptic

    The statement you refer to was made by Joseph Smith in an April 1843 conference: “There are those of the rising generation who shall not taste death till Christ comes.”

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Jan. 28, 2019 10:10 p.m.

    CMTM,

    Thank you for the clarification on the Holy Ghost. Now it is clear.

    As to the angels. “Some of these angels refused to maintain their assignments and became the devil and his angels.” This is generally consistent with LDS theology. The issue is then when. All of the comments speak to the past.

    Note that we agree the angels were created (as were we). You say the angels did not preexist. Do you mean preexist life on earth? Exactly when were they created?

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Jan. 28, 2019 1:37 a.m.

    @skeptic

    Joseph Smith is still in his "lifetime" as is everyone who has come to earth and then died.

    "This is my belief"

  • CMTM , 00
    Jan. 27, 2019 1:55 p.m.

    Twin Lights. The Holy Spirit is the third person in the Trinity. He is fully God. He is Omnipotent , omniscient, omnipresent. Bible Hub.

    @ NIV, NET? Both,E.g…

    NIV Jude 1:6 “And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their ”*proper dwelling…”
    NIV comments. Some of these angels refused to maintain their assignments and became the devil and his angels.

    “*proper dwelling” the angels were assigned specific locations as well as responsibilities.

    NET 1:6 “..the angels who did not keep within their proper *domain but abandoned their own place of residence, he has kept in eternal chains in utter darkness, locked up for the judgment of the great Day.”
    Net comments. Grk “who did not keep their own *domain.” The idea is that certain angels acted improperly, going outside the bounds prescribed by God (their proper domain). There is a play on words used in this verse. Because the angels did not keep their proper place, Jesus has kept them chained up in another place.

    RE: Angels were created by God they did not pre-exist. (John 1:3 Young's)” all things through him did happen, and without him happened ‘not even one thing’ that hath happened.”

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Jan. 26, 2019 4:14 p.m.

    CMTM,

    We were talking about the NIV not the NET. So which is it you were talking about?

    I am still waiting for you to tell me whether you think the Holy Ghost/Spirit is a personage or not. What you provided is unclear.

    As to Jude 1:6, I think Young's Literal Translation does it quite well "messengers also, those who did not keep their own principality, but did leave their proper dwelling, to a judgment of a great day, in bonds everlasting, under darkness He hath kept,"

    The angels/messengers had a dominion/principality/estate which they failed to keep. They had to leave where they dwelt and are in bonds and in darkness until the judgement.

    I think Joseph got it right.

  • WallE Walla Walla, WA
    Jan. 26, 2019 1:52 p.m.

    It's amazing how the internet and simple searches can help give a historical view and a different prospective to something I've read in the same way time and time again.

    Some have said the definition of insanity is to do something the same way and expect a different result; reading the same passage over and over again without a different prospective can dull the mind. The internet has given me another means to study and gain insight through thoughtful exploration.

    Thanks for providing another resource!

  • CMTM , 00
    Jan. 26, 2019 9:05 a.m.

    RE: Twin Lights. Any group of translators has an agenda unless the group invites all comers (of all religious stripes). The KJV has less of this.?

    Compare the NET Bible translation with 60,932 translators’ notes! More than 25 scholars, who used the best current texts. This level of documentation transparency of the textual basis and the rationale for key renderings (including major interpretive options and “alternative translations”. E. g…,

    (Jude 1:6 NET) the angels who did not keep within their proper domain.
    (Jude 1: 6 KJV/JST) the angels who kept not their “first estate”, JS misunderstood the KJV translation. actually Fallen angels (demons) Not pre mortality.

    God created the angels they did not exist from all eternity (Neh 9:6; Psalm 148:2,5). Cols 1:16-17 “For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities…”

    RE: The Holy Ghost/Spirit is a personage? *Pneuma same Greek word.

    Mt 28:19 Young's Literal “. Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy *Spirit.
    MT 28:19 KJV translation“: Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy *Ghost”

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Jan. 25, 2019 3:18 p.m.

    CMTM,

    I often consult Bible Hub and do not find the NIV translation that helpful (sometimes, but not often). I find Young's Literal Translation to often be the best help. The KJV is unsurpassed for beauty of language.

    Any group of translators has an agenda unless the group invites all comers (of all religious stripes). The KJV has less of this.

    I am confused by your last point. Are you saying the Holy Ghost is not a personage?

  • CMTM , 00
    Jan. 25, 2019 7:54 a.m.

    @Thomas Wayment published a new translation of the New Testament
    Compare, The NIV translation by a team of 15 biblical scholars, representing a variety of denominations, worked from the oldest copies of reliable texts, variously written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. Each section was subjected to multiple translations and revisions, and those assessed in detail to produce the best option. Everyday Bible readers were used to provide feedback on ease of understanding and comprehensibility. Finally, plans were made to continue revision of the Bible as new discoveries were made and as changes in the use of the English language occurred.
    Can the NIV Be Trusted?
    No outside group — no publisher or commercial entity — can influence how the NIV is translated. Zondervan and Hodder & Stoughton, as commercial publishers of the NIV, also have no seat on the translation committee and no means to influence translation decisions.
    @Holy Ghost, LDS Is a separate God from Father and Son, different from the Holy Spirit-Holy Ghost is a person-Holy Spirit is influence from the Father and not personal. Bile same Greek word(pneuma)used for Holy Ghost and Spirit(1 Cor 3;16 &6:19).