Arianne Brown: Thoughts on the Cedar High 'Redmen’ mascot from a CHS alumni

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  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Jan. 25, 2019 4:58 p.m.

    @Prometheus Platypus:

    Are you suggesting we should honor and glamorize the MMM? That is what mascots do. I've never heard anyone else suggest we should celebrate or glamorize the horrific crimes committed at MMM. Kind of weird position to advance.

    @Utah Girl Chronicles:

    The moment the Paiute, Anasazi, Navajo, or Zuni tribes voice objections to the mascot, I will agree with you 100%.

    I think part of what these noble peoples might teach us is that they don't need politically correct faux outrage by a bunch of white people living in big cities 200 miles away to tell them what should offend them. If they are not offended, perhaps even honored by the mascot, is it really the place of a bunch of privileged urbanites to tell them they are too simple minded to know when they should be offended?

    If someone in the nation wants a "Pioneer" mascot to memorialize and honor the 19th century Mormon migration through their part of the country, I'm not going to take offense. I'm going to be honored.

    Why would any non racist person think that ethnic or racial minorities would react any differently than would a religious group?

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 25, 2019 12:13 p.m.

    I don't buy the "we're honoring them, not mocking them" argument at all. The same could be said for people who wear blackface to "honor" black people or those who pull their eyes wide to "honor" Asian people.

    People don't understand how painful it is to be stereotyped until they find themselves stereotyped. The predominant culture always takes great joy in telling minority people how they should feel.

    There's a lot we can learn from Paiute, Anasazi, Navajo, and Zuni cultures besides giving student bodies a hurtful, mindless chant.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Jan. 24, 2019 12:31 p.m.

    Why not change it to the Mountain Meadow Redskins, in celebration of the Cedar City white folks dressing like natives to massacre some pioneers, so that the Redskins would be blamed.

    The local folks shouldn't take offense at this title, it's just tradition and history.

    Not sure why DNews won't allow this comment it is completely on topic for Cedar City history.

    Redskin is Not an affectionate term, not a tribe, not a self given name.

  • 1hemlock Tooele, Utah
    Jan. 24, 2019 11:54 a.m.

    For those that want to be offended, L. Frank Baum, the writer of the The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, wrote horrible things about the "redskins".
    Lions and Tigers and Bears . . . oh my!!!
    Please don't get upset and picket/boycott/protest The Wizard of Oz productions.

  • 1hemlock Tooele, Utah
    Jan. 24, 2019 11:51 a.m.

    Times change and in the present circumstances some people are hyper-sensitive for others and want to show that they are nice, and empathetic about perceived "feelings".
    A 2004 poll regarding the use of the term Redskins as it is attached to the Washington Redskin football team by the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania, found that 90% of those who identified themselves as American Indians answered that they were "not bothered" by the name "Redskins" being used for the Washington football team. The poll was repeated in 2016 with the same results. That said, "others" tell us they should be offended . . . (the elite who seem to know what we should think I guess).
    Historical records indicate that "Redskin" was used as a self-identifier by Native Americans to differentiate between the two races. Ives Goddard (the Smithsonian historian) found that the first use of the word "redskin" came in 1769, in negotiations between the Piankashaws and Col. John Wilkins. Throughout the 1800s, the word was frequently used by Native Americans as they negotiated with the French and later the Americans.
    Cedar High has respected and honored the Redman. Leave it be.

  • bikeboy Boise, ID
    Jan. 24, 2019 11:45 a.m.

    As a MAN, I find the mascot name deeply offensive! At the very least, they should change it to RED PEOPLE! /sarcasm

    (I don't have a dog in the fight, just an outside observer. However, my elementary school mascot was the Roosevelt Redskins - with a savage-looking, tomahawk-waving Native American. I thought it was pretty cool, and never considered that somebody picked it to demean Native Americans. Now they're the Roosevelt Raiders... and we're waiting to hear that the world's pirate population is offended.)

  • What Matters Here Cedar City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2019 11:13 a.m.

    Great Article Arianne; Junkgeek, if it were totally up to the current student body, we'd be changing every few years on the whims of people who by and large, we agree can't vote, buy alcohol and booze, serve in the military yet, or rent a Car, and the cost is tremendous, $250.000 dollars and up we have been told by school districts that have done it. Not feasible, I do agree that students whould have a voice.

  • Utah Observer West Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 24, 2019 11:13 a.m.

    I guess I will enter into the conversation about the controversy regarding the use of "Redmen" as the mascot at my high school (Cedar City, Utah). I have always been proud that we had an indigenous nickname that we thought honored the Native Americans who lived in our area long before the "white man" came. However, I can see that in our "political correct" environment, there are those who see this as demeaning and a change should take place.

    If and when a change might be made, I would hope that education about our Native Americans from those who truly are tribal members would continue to be done in our schools and educational settings.

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    Jan. 24, 2019 10:55 a.m.

    Decisions about mascots should be left to the current student body and not the alumni.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Jan. 24, 2019 10:49 a.m.

    Flipphone said: "Many cities are named after native American tribes as is colleges, high schools, professional sports teams and business and are a signs of honor and respect."

    Redman is Not a native American name or tribe, but a slang given not with affection, or respect, as you claim.

    Especially distasteful for Cedar City where most of the Mountain Meadow Massacre folks were from, you know the ones who dressed as "redman" so that the Natives would take the blame for the murders committed by the local white population. There's some respect for you?

  • Flipphone , 00
    Jan. 24, 2019 9:59 a.m.

    Many cities are named after native American tribes as is colleges, high schools, professional sports teams and business and are a signs of honor and respect

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2019 8:49 a.m.

    I have always wondered why objection has been raised to the use of native American culture as icons that were used as symbols of prowess and great value to look up to and admire. This use promotes respect, not disrespect.