Boys school shuts down amid fallout over Washington videos

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  • đź’ˇLight and Truth📜 Windermere, FL
    Jan. 24, 2019 2:01 p.m.

    The media has been 93-97% negative on Trump, whereas it was ~80% positive on Obama. This was just another example of them trying anything they could do to stop him, and running with their biases instead of the facts.

    The fact is that the media hate Conservative Christian Males that love their country. They hate that White Christian Nationalists started this country, gave us the Constitution, and gave us the Bill of Rights. They hate that our country has been successful while Communist nations have fallen.

    This time it blew up in their face because they attacked youth, who videos later proved had acted admirably, while Leftist Adults had acted poorly. Don't forget the journalists who said they wanted to kill the students and their parents, or that wanted to throw them in the woodchipper.

    Despite all these violent, insane enemies, Trump continues to win.

    MAGA!

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Jan. 23, 2019 1:02 p.m.

    Amazing the false narratives bigoted haters will follow to disguise their continued unabashed hate. The boys were at the Lincoln Memorial because that is where their busses were to pick them up. They were not loitering.

    We have heard Hollywood and leftists news organizations, say they were rude and ill mannered, they were at the right to life march, they were white, they were Catholic and went to a Catholic school, they wore the wrong hat, it's Trump's fault, on and on. Leftists in these threads are still trying to find every nuance for which they can be condemned. There was a Democrat organization that originated after the civil war. They also hated Republicans, Blacks, Jews, and Catholics. In fact out of about 4,000 lynchings after the war, about 1,300 were white Republicans. And today the same bigoted hate is still attacking these boys.

    Where is the tolerance and support from the left for protecting these minors from false attacks? It seems most leftists in the media and Hollywood are making their apologies with conditioning buts.

  • Oh, please! Saint George, UT
    Jan. 23, 2019 12:46 p.m.

    Second try DNEWS!!!!

    In Jane B's own words: Yes, the drummer walked over to the boys. But anyone who watched the video knows that the drummer was not the aggressor. He makes his way very very slowly while continuing to chant and beat the drum.He is completely harmless. It's pretty clear he is not seeking confrontation.

    Anyone who watched all the videos know that the young man with the smirk was not, as he claims, merely standing his ground. He had options. Yet he continued to stand there and smirk. He could have allowed the drummer some space.
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    She says the drummer was in motion but expects the boy to allow the drummer some space. If drummer (the adult here--and phoney veteran!) needed space, he could have stayed in his own "space." How does she know drummer is "completely harmless" and non-confrontational?

    Perhaps the boy was just scared out of his wits with this man beating a drum in his face and the boy did not know what else to do but smile and remain calm. Geeeeeez, Jane. Left hand doesn't know what right hand doeth.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    Jan. 23, 2019 11:01 a.m.

    @NoNamesAccepted - please... come on. It was top line news on CNN, ABC, NBC, and CBS the day after. And yes, CNN did do a follow on with the native American leader - where he offered to go meet with the boys. Lets not get sucked into the oh so over used narratives each sides extreme keep want to perpetuate.

    Today CNN has 3 articles on its front page about the story. The "Today" show had and interview with the main boy in the story, Nick Sandmann, in which he explains how he is being mis-charectorized. CBS has a piece on the Twitter account being shut down who spread the story.

    I'm curious, what do you consider an honest, unbiased, and relevant source of news? I haven't found one yet, that is why I read so many different sources. From locals, national, and international periodicals. Not saying I'm great because of it, hardly. But it seems to be the only way to get a balanced perspective on what's going on. They all have bias... all of them.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Jan. 23, 2019 10:55 a.m.

    To "UtahBlueDevil " they didn't self correct. They were called out and couldn't deny the lies that they spread. Plus they were caught not checking their sources. This wasn't self correcting this was the news outlets covering themselves.

    To "Ranch" what doctored videos. The PP videos were not doctored, but only showed the inner workings of that organization that they didn't want made public.

    To "Joe Hilll" if you bothered to watch all of the video, the kids were the victims. First the Black Israelite group started by yelling racial slurs and using vulgar language directed at the kids, then it was followed up by the Native American group joining in on the frenzy.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Jan. 23, 2019 8:39 a.m.

    A lot hullabaloo about the perception that a smile was a smirk.

    How do we define a smirk? The angle of the corners of the mouth, the degree at which the eyes are squinting?

    How do we judge respectful behavior across a cultural divide? In Tongan culture standing in front of a dignitary is a terrible faux pas. In Western culture, not standing is a faux pas.

    We have a word for 'smirk'. But it could be a smile that we don't have a word for a "smile when someone is singing in a different-language to test my courage or to wish me to walk in beauty, I don't know. But I will stand here and look in his eyes."

    We can't mind read and that is all we have. So peoples' prejudices kick in and the young man from the Catholic school with the MAGA hat who went to the pro-life march becomes a horrible person.

    People assume the worst because of their prejudices and they stumble over their stereotypes.

    Racism is race-based prejudice, but the bigger issue is prejudice. Prejudice is prejudice, PC or not.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Jan. 23, 2019 7:41 a.m.

    Haven’t checked all news sources.

    But, CNN issued updates (corrections?) on-line. Viewing CNN today, they have moved on. Zero coverage of this story today. Most of their viewers don’t want to hear about it anymore.

    Fox News, on the other hand, continues extensive coverage. Their viewers are eating it up.

    Perhaps it’s not bias, but clearly, slanted coverage is the rule for most news outlets in 2019.

    If one wants to get the most honest picture of a news event, it must be pieced together from a variety of sources. Very few trustworthy non-slanted sources these days.

    Professional activists know this and use it in their search for news coverage to one-up their opposition. And sometimes relatively innocent bystanders get caught up in the culture wars (like Christian Kentucky High School students) and become collateral damage.

    Hoping for a little more patience, a little more forgiveness, a little more courtesy, and a lot less judgment in our society. Not holding my breath.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    Jan. 23, 2019 5:40 a.m.

    I personally think that all 3 groups share equally in displayong bad behavior. Did the the school boys deserve to hear the insults from the "black isrealites"? Absolutely not.

    I do not understand though how any chaperone would allow/approve of these kids responding the way that they did. Did they seriously think that was going to diffuse the situation.

    Here is a suggestion from the "Right to Life" website: "Do not engage with counter-protesters. Once again, be respectful of all people and stay focused on the cause of promoting and celebrating life, lovingly, prayerfully, and graciously."

    Did the school boys honor that request? I think not.

    If you want to see the Lincoln Memorial please do! But if you want to loiter on the steps seeking attention, please move on.

  • screenname Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 10:54 p.m.

    Unexpected comment from UtahBlueDevil.

    The MSM can and does make errors, yes. But when was the last time they ever jumped the gun on a left winger behaving badly, only to have to "walk back" their story (aka change it from egregiously false to only biased)?

    When accidents only happen one direction, they are no longer accidents. Add to that the modus operandi of these "accidents"--all day front page news of the false story followed by small retractions on page 12 a few days later, and you have a serious problem.

    There's no attempt at self correction here. They were more than willing to sacrifice the livelihood, if not the very lives, of a bunch of high school boys who happened to be white, religious, and wearing Trump paraphernalia, to advance their cause. Anything is justified when you're on the right side of history, right?

    They ought to be ashamed of themselves, as should anyone who commented on the original article. Even now, how many of these boys will lose college opportunities, job opportunities, or face threats of violence because people who are supposed to care about the facts care more about politics?

  • Chessermesser West Valley City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 7:52 p.m.

    I heard this afternoon some from Covington have a lawyer. Good for them.

    Both adult groups were wrong. The drum-in-your-face person clearly lied about several things, such as the students blocking his group’s path to the Lincoln Memorial, such as the young men approaching him and not the other way around, and finally, such as the young men chanting build the wall when they didn’t.

    Both adult groups looked to pick a fight with teenagers. The teens acted more like responsible adults than the adult protestors.

  • Joe Hilll Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 5:04 p.m.

    @1covey
    I really hope that was meant as tongue in cheek. While the small relgious group clearly agitated the situation Those kids were clearly not victims of anything other then their then their own bad behaviors.

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 3:29 p.m.

    Is there any doubt that a group of teenagers were unexpectedly set upon verbally by adults and by other adults ? How do you expect these teens to react ? Nobody gave them a script. A false account was reported by Two major newspapers and other media. Some have apologized. The fact that major news organizations reported this before getting verification is a black mark not totally erased by their apologies imo. These are professionals, right ? Who has condemned adults, using social media, to advocate violence against these kids ?

  • The-Antidote Highland, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 3:14 p.m.

    Maybe this will make the students think twice about standing and smirking, whilst having a drum banged in their face. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime!

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 2:45 p.m.

    Fake News?

    Without a shadow of any doubt whatsoever trump tv aka FOX News, Sinclair Broadcasting and other similarly inclined sources pushing the extreme right wing agenda are as guilty of fake news as any other source pushing whatever agenda they are presenting.

    In regard to the concept of truth, trump's tv lawyer has told Americans there is no such thing as truth.

    Republicans have obviously accepted this concept as manifest by their endless support, of trump, an individual who has made a living/career of denial, deflection and dissembling.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 22, 2019 2:33 p.m.

    Fake news embarrassed themselves on this one! Free speech is only for liberals now, all others will be threatened, shouted down and forced into silence, except these boys who stood up smiling politely to the abuse of the left!

  • The Trooper South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 2:34 p.m.

    The media is always desperate for a story that shows white people being racist. So desperate that they don't bother to fact check. They didn't even bother with a sanity check on this one. What is more plausible? A group of white teenagers from Kentucky decide to go on a racist rant on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial or groups of professional leftist protestors and agitators make life miserable for white teens wearing MAGA hats on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial? There is story after story of people getting accosted for simply wearing MAGA hats. Not so many true stories about teens going on racist tirades at national memorials. However, one type of story advances the preferred narrative.

  • Kaladin Northern, CO
    Jan. 22, 2019 2:02 p.m.

    @JaneB - What should he have done? Leave? Bow down and kiss his feet? Why is it wrong for him to stand there? Is he not free to stand in a public place? He didn't touch the man or yell at him. Standing is now bad?

  • bamafone Salem, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 1:56 p.m.

    Looks like the boys were pretty peaceful to me and excersising their right to free speech and support of life of the unborn. It should be pointed out that those using the foul language were the ones shouting at the boys. Also, Nathan Phillips is not a Vietnam Vet as he has claimed to be, which presents a credibility problem for him.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 1:48 p.m.

    @conservatives;

    Where was all your outrage over the doctored videos about Planned Parenthood.

  • Not-in-Utah-anymore , CA
    Jan. 22, 2019 1:39 p.m.

    "...with activists outnumbered by the media."

    Between the hyper-obsessive media coverage and the knee-jerk outrage of all the social justice warriors hyperventilating at computer screens, it's no wonder our country is in the shape it's in.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 1:40 p.m.

    It's pretty clear that there were plenty of people on both sides of this confrontation that were rude and embarrassing.

  • Rubydo Provo, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 12:37 p.m.

    Yes JaneB,

    The kid committed a grievous face-crime of 1984 fame, as he had a Native American walk over to him and banged a drum in his face.

  • Joe Hilll Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 12:29 p.m.

    @Back Talk
    Not sure what outlet you are talking about since every outlet I have seen has updated stories with the extended videos. the longer/wider angle videos do not exonerate these kids as many on the right seem to be wanting to portray so if that is what you are waiting for you probably will never get it. The kids and the religious sect were equal partners in the mayhem. Having said all that I find it highly disturbing that people feel it is alright to make the staff and students at this school feel unsafe and that they have had to temporarily close their doors. threats of violence are never acceptable.

  • Rubydo Provo, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 12:20 p.m.

    I hope these kids and the school sue the news outlets and organizations for doxxing the kids, false reporting and labeling them as racist. Every one online went to conclusions and ganged up on these kids for doing nothing wrong except for wearing MAGA hats. There’s hours of footage of these kids getting berated with racist slurs and insults because in this day and age the only racism that’s accepted is against conservative Caucasians.

    Whoever revealed the identity of these minors needs to be held responsible for the death threats the kids have to endure because of the journalistic malpractice that enflamed the situation. This is more proof that the media is the enemy of the people and is culpable for endangering kids.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 12:20 p.m.

    Fake news has real consequences for real people, often innocent people.

    When the manipulators get people riled up with false information it can incite violence or threats of violence, as it did in this case.

    Every responsible news outlet should have published a retraction and apology by now and castigated their source, the Associated Press, for providing fake news. Somehow, I missed seeing this in the Deseret News, which saddens me as I thought it was a somewhat responsible journalistic source.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 12:11 p.m.

    @UtahBlueDevil: "And yet he forgets to recognize it was the media outlets self corrected themselves when more information became available. "

    The media has not self corrected. Alternative news sites continue to provide data that the mainstream media has not put out. And where correction has come, it is buried or given minimal time as compared to how the initial story broke.

    The media has not pressed Mr. Phillips on how his statements--both initial and follow up--conflict with both each other and with what the video clearly shows.

    No. The media has not self-corrected. They have begrudgingly made minimal note of the unwanted, inconvenient reality that the facts of the case do not support their desired narrative. Even the potentially violent protests that have caused closure of a private religious school have been minimized in media reports as "small"; and those responsible have not been identified the way these innocent young men were.

    Finally, to compare Trump to the media is to engage in the very "what-about-ism" the left decries when the right compares Trump to Clinton. This isn't about Trump. It is about the media pushing an agenda with edited video and other lies.

  • JaneB Wilsonville, OR
    Jan. 22, 2019 12:07 p.m.

    "revealed that the drummer had intervened between the boys and the religious sect"

    Yes, the drummer walked over to the boys. But anyone who watched the video knows that the drummer was not the aggressor. He makes his way very very slowly while continuing to chant and beat the drum.He is completely harmless. It's pretty clear he is not seeking confrontation.

    Anyone who watched all the videos know that the young man with the smirk was not, as he claims, merely standing his ground. He had options. Yet he continued to stand there and smirk. He could have allowed the drummer some space.

    Most of the boys were just there, enjoying the confrontations. The chaperones were awol.

  • CB Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 11:42 a.m.

    Good the DNews published this article, since the one from the Associated Press they printed carried all of the mis-information that is being disproved by the hours of video now being shown.
    Interesting the Indian 'veteran' would have just turned 18 at the end of the war they are claiming he is a veteran of, and is well known for the past 'false claims' he has been involved with.
    With the wealth of information at our finger-tips it's amazing that journalists can get away with the mis-information they choose to release. CB

  • Back Talk Federal Way, WA
    Jan. 22, 2019 11:05 a.m.

    And still the mainstreet media has not corrected the false news with any kind of effort that matches their initial outrage. This is the media environment that we live in today.

    Trump certainly didnt invent Fake News but he was the first to call the media out for it in such a public and extended way.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 10:53 a.m.

    "President Donald Trump tweeted early Tuesday that the students at Covington Catholic High School "have become symbols of Fake News and how evil it can be"

    And yet he forgets to recognize it was the media outlets self corrected themselves when more information became available. How many times has Trump self correct or even issued a clarification statement? He just denies he made the initial statements.... like a particular country paying for a certain wall. Did he make the same kind of comments about FoxNews proclaiming Justice Ginsburg had passed over the weekend? (It's rhetorical.... of course he didn't land the same "fake news" claim on his beloved FoxNews).

    This was a clear example though of the 24 hours news cycle prompting bad behavior on both sides, and in the process hurting both sides. It's unfortunate that the church didn't send those boys on a trip based on a moral platform - representing their faith - but instead turned the churches message to be politically aligned with having the boys wear those hats.

    This is what happens when you align you messages of faith with a political figure. Whose message were they their to represent?