How are 40 year old DACA recipients "children?"
Thid,Thanks for making my point. It isn't a crisis if it has
been going on for decades. As you said nothing happened in the last month to
suddenly make this a crisis. This is a political power game started by the
President being afraid to stand up to Colter, Limbaugh and Hannity. Now he has
dug in his heels and claims this pretend crisis to try and appease the big
three. Time to put the country first open the government and have a
robust debate about what to do on the border. Time for McConnell to open the
Senate for business and quit playing politics. Debate, vote, pass bills, have
conference committees to settle differences between the House and the Senate and
send bills to the President. If he passes them great, if he vetos them then
over ride the veto or rework the bill. In other words let the
Constitution be applied as was intended.
The headline said "Trump's solution", which it isn't, while
the article called it a proposal, which it isn't really. Not a serious one,
anyway. That being said, this shutdown is a disgrace. While Trump
did this, it helps no one for either side to let pride overcome common decency
toward people who will not recover for some time because of this, some never.
Completely irresponsible. Put up the fence, overhaul legal points of
entry, secure the borders (north and south), quit separating families, and quit
the tantrums, Trump. Let's move on.
Independent said: "It takes two to compromise. Republicans always cave,
democrats never do. "You lost me at "Always" and
"Never."Thid your excuses and parroting of Trumps
"stories" don't make it a crisis right now, nor when Donald sent
the troops to meet a few hundred. The thing is, Trump could get actual facts and
information, if he wasn't smarter than all the border control, homeland
security and the intelligence agencies combined.Guess who
doesn't care? Donald and his loyalists, who refuse to look at reality but
prefer to get the information from a person known for their lack of honesty and
facts, sad. A real leader surrounds himself with smart people and
It takes two to compromise. Republicans always cave, democrats never do. How can
some people be so unaware of themselves? I hope the shutdown last forever and we
give power over those functions back to the states and the people where they
belong. Shut it all down.!
Fred44: This border crisis didn't happen suddenly at Christmas time, it
has been ongoing for a decade or more as evidenced by the fact that there are an
estimated 22 million illegal immigrants in America today. President Trump sent
troops to the border in response to the arrival of a caravan of illegals
arriving at the border. The LA times had an article recently that reported
another new caravan is on the way and Tijuana government officials have not
given much thought to avoiding the chaos that arrived in November with 6,000
Central American migrants. There is a humanitarian crisis on both sides of the
border where one third of the women in the caravans are being sexually abused!
Add to that the fact that about 90% of heroin and cocaine crosses our Southern
border by drug smugglers! Guess who doesn't care?
@Biscuit - , 00Jan. 22, 2019 8:04 a.m.Lets end the shut down. Come
on dems, lets work on something. Your battle against Trump is hurting a lot of
voters.-----You forget that, in this current month of January, the
House has passed bills, seven of which would fully fund the government with the
exception of Homeland Security completely to the end of the fiscal year this
fall, and one which would fund Homeland Security short term so a resolution of
the border issue could be negotiated. Those bills were sent to the Senate for
action, where they sat because McConnell refused even to bring up for a vote
anything that trump hadn't said he would sign. The Democrats in the house
acted properly; the Senate at the direction of trump did not--the bills
weren't even brought up for consideration.trump with the
collusion of McConnell is acting the bully, and using a my-way-or-the-highway
approach. trump wants to bully to get his own way, and is more than willing to
let a lot of Americans suffer in the process. The resolution for this is simpl
--pass the bills the House passed, and equitably negotiate the Homeland Security
funding going forward.The resolution for this is in trump's
A serious question for you Trump supporters. What happened different at
Christmas time to create a crisis on the southern border that required a
government shutdown until we have a wall? We had troops on the border in
October and they were sent home mid November. If there was a crisis, why did we
send the troops home, further more, if it is a crisis, why aren't they
there now. Trump is the commander in chief, he could send troops to the border
again. If it was a crisis before, why didn't Trump make his stand during
the first two years when he had both the House and the Senate? A
cynic might think that this is all about losing the House and trying to weaken
Speaker Pelosi. I would really love someone to explain why this
suddenly became a crisis.
Stand your ground Trump/Republicans! I can hold out longer than any democrat!
Build a good wall down there!
Who does Trump care about? Federal workers? Families separated at the border?
Minorities? Allies? Dreamers? Asylum seekers? TPS refugees? The vulnerable
Kurds? Seems to be none of the above. Even his own
voters are growing tired of his charade. He's losing support from the core
of his small base. Reluctantly, they are beginning to see Trump for who he is.
Not a moment too soon.
Limbo is chaos for the tea party.
"For one side to say they will give $1 for the wall, it gives the impression
they aren't willing to give and take."That's not what
they are saying. What they are saying is we will not negotiate for a wall we
don't want and don't need until the govt. is re-opened.Release the hostages and we will talk.
Tell Ann Coulter to go away. It is Neo Cons like her that prevent progress from
being made by the Republicans.Trump is trying to make progress in
fixing the illegal immigration and border security problem. Democrats just want
to keep the status quo. Their hypocrisy is evident and they are the real reason
for the shutdown.
Let's put this in perspective! President Trump is asking for $5.7 billion
of an annual budget of about $4.407 trillion to build a barrier to protect our
country from intruders. Now, let's drop 9 zeros which would make it
comparable to a household budget. In other words, President Trump wants to spend
$57 of our household budget of $44,407 to protect women and children on both
sides of the border! Now Nancy and Chuck are shutting down the government over
$57, saying a wall will not protect us? I will believe that when they take down
the walls that surrounds their homes to protect them and their families from
intruders! Hypocrite seems to be to mild a word to describe them!
I am reminded that Trump was going to have his wall paid for by Mexico. Hold
him to that promise, and give 800.000 workers a deserved paycheck!
@lost in DCCollatoral damage is unnecessarily shutting down the government
by refusing to sign a continuing resolution, even though you already have one
set of hostages in the Dreamers to bring Democrats to the table. Apparently
Trump just likes hurting people for no reason.
mohokat said: "It wasn't Limbaugh, Colter or Fox News! It was because
of a video, and a red line, and you can keep your Doctor, and you will save
$2500.00 a year."What does any of your clever distractions have
to do with a shut down?Not one of those caused the government to be
shut down, but It must be nice to be able to point to specific possible untruths
instead of the literal flood of lies from the current administration, so many
that listing them using all 4 of my posts wouldn't begin to touch on the
total.Just because donald claims it's an emergency doesn't
make it so. We learned that with the WMD's in Iraq debacle. Let Trump or
his fan club point to the place on the graph where the border had a sudden
increase in crime/crossings/any border crisis not caused by donalds actions near
an election, should be easy.But alas, not donald or his loyalists
can do this because it doesn't exist, he made it up, the facts and data
don't back up his claims.
We support Trump. Either side is not going to get exactly what they want.
However, we are impressed President Trump has negotiated from $25 Billion down
to about $5 Billion. That's some sort of sacrifice. And we feel the
majority of the House of Representatives should be willing to make some kind of
deal with the President even though they don't support the idea of a wall.
For one side to say they will give $1 for the wall, it gives the impression they
aren't willing to give and take. The situation is....frustrating to say the
chuckie and nancy don't want a solution, they want trump to be damaged
politically - they care nothing about the collateral damage they are causing to
the nation and its people.
The POTUS believes in slavery, how many of you would work for no pay?
. Republicans hold a 53-47 majority but would need Democrats to reach the usual
60-vote threshold for bills to advance. Not a single Democrat publicly expressed
support for the deal.
According to CNBC: "On Thursday, Senate leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky, said
Congress will follow through on TrumpÂ€™s border wall order, and
McConnell estimated it will cost $15 billion at most Â€” he
cited a range of $12 billion to $15 billion." and "The U.S. government would have to pay to maintain the wall, which could
cost as much as $750 million a year, according to an analysis conducted by
Politico. And then if it wanted to man it with personnel, that would be an
additional cost Â€” border patrol has an operating budget of
$1.4 billion for 21,000 agents."So, what exactly is is the US
going to get for $5 billion? A project that will never be completed with
overruns exceeding the original estimate.
Prometheus Platypus - Orem, UTIt wasn't Limbaugh, Colter or Fox
News!It was because of a video, and a red line, and you can keep
your Doctor, and you will save $2500.00 a year.
sman said: "President Trump is not worried about what
conservative press might say about him. He is standing on principle." You can't be serious. We are in this shutdown because Coulter,
Limbaugh and Hannity busted the Presidents chops after he had already agreed to
a deal to keep the government open before Christmas. It really is laughable to
say he doesn't care what the conservative press thinks, since they are the
reason we are where we are today.
"Is trump "proud" that hard-working Americans are having to take out
loans to save their mortgages and are going to food banks just to put food on
the table for their kids? "Once this shutdown does end and the
Federal workers are back to work. America needs to take a hard look at why
hundreds of thousands of middle class Americans with good jobs and secure
futures can't go without one paycheck without taking out loans, or food
banks. The middle class in America is living paycheck to paycheck
with a significant percentage having virtually no retirement savings or plans,
and this shutdown stuck it in our face.
Lets end the shut down. Come on dems, lets work on something. Your battle
against Trump is hurting a lot of voters.
@ worfPlease explain how Mr. Trump arrived at the $5 billion mark
for his wall. What will this money pay for exactly? If he does get this amount
of money, what happens in a few months when he needs more for a wall that has
been estimated to cost $20-25 billion? If Congress balks at allocating future
wall funds, does Trump shut down the government again? Since most illegal drugs
are smuggled into the country through legal ports of entry in vehicles, how
would a wall stem the tide? The bottom line is that the President is worried
about his campaign promises and maintaining his popularity with the "5th
Avenue Group," not practical, bipartisan solutions for complex problems.
"May God continue to bless and protect President Trump - a working man and
woman's president."To this poster, you are seeing the
government shut down right??? 800,000 working men and women. Maybe you can go
tell all those hard working men and women that Trump isn't going to budge.
They are suffering due to his ego.For those of us who do not believe
that Trump is God's choice. May God bless those unpaid workers and their
families that are suffering under the Trump Shutdown. They are in need of the
blessing, thoughts, and prayers.
President Trump is not worried about what conservative press might say about
him. He is standing on principle. Any bad press from the right can't
compare to the,24/7 news hits he has been receiving since he was elected.from
both the left and the right. I dare anyone to look and find 1 positive story on
him. And he is serving this country with no pay at all
What is more important?Saving many American lives,--stopping people
from being kidnapped, slowing drug smuggling. This is not manufactured.Or keeping some folks away from a short term job loss?
@Meckofahess"so much that they don't care if his proposal would
be best for the country"It's not, especially since
it'd set a precedent that shutting down the government by rejecting a
continuing resolution is a viable way to have your demands met. That just
encourages more shutdowns and destabilization, with a debt ceiling fight in the
summer and another budget soon after.
"President Donald Trump's shutdown solution hangs in limbo"Well you're right about one thing. It's trumps' shutdown. As
for the solution, he's not proposed anything serious yet.
Mrs. Pelosi doesn't need a wall; she already has one around her house. No
wonder she does not want to compromise.
Democrats aren't about to budge. Such patriots as Kamala Harris hate the
President so much that they don't care if his proposal would be best for
the country, the dreamers and so-forth. Just being obstructionist and
non-productive as usual. Let's build that wall and slow down all the folks
that want a free pass into our country without passing legal muster to do so.
May God continue to bless and protect President Trump - a working man and
woman's president.Thank God for President Trump.
“I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck.
I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going
to blame you for it.” ~ Donald J. Trump Dec. 9, 2018Meanwhile
- the Senate republicans passed a Continuing Resolution 99-0The new
Democrat led House has re-introduced the prvious CR the Senate passed before,
only to have Mitch McConnell allow a vote.Why have a Senate of 100
when only 1 Mitch McConnell has any say so.Put it up to a vote
Mitch.What are you afraid of??Straight Up and down - like we are
supposed to.And so what if it passes?, Mr. Trump can always
veto it.That's how it WORKS Holding the country
hostage like this is Horrific and unacceptable!Just remember --
Karma, what goes around, comes around.Democrats will one day have
the House, Senate and WH again.Don't let it come back to bite you....
Is trump "proud" that hard-working Americans are having to take out
loans to save their mortgages and are going to food banks just to put food on
the table for their kids? Why would he be "proud" of that? But I do
agree, yes he owns it.
We have a government which takes the earnings from its citizens and becomes
Santa Clause by handing it out by the billions to other countries. Foreign aid
and free benefits. No wonder we have so many trying to bust into our country
like its black Friday. This isn't what they were voted in to
do! Our own political representatives have created this situation. They should
represent the people of the United States,--not Mexico or any other country.
Let the people of other countries work with their own government to fix
things.Crazy how low information people are blaming Trump? No!
He's defending our country through the objections of traitors.
Holding the Government Employees hostage and then demanding his wall? What a
con job. And the GOP lines up behind their "fearless leader"......I
actually meant to say clueless leader. He said Mexico would pay for
it. Another lie? He is now causing the nation to suffer, and
putting us into an economic crisis. Yet he does not care. It's all about
his ego. That is obvious.Sadly the GOP delegation from Utah fell in
line. For example: does this shutdown hurt Senator Romney? Not after getting
millions back from his GOP buddies in their tax give away to the ultra rich.
Estimates are that Romney got at least $10 million when his company's
corporate tax rate was reduced in half. So he sure isn't suffering is he?
Thanks Mitt for standing up to Trump like you indicated in your
campaign. That was all rhetoric? The poor don't need any more help from
the Trumps, The Romneys, The Koch Brothers, and the ultra rich. They need
people who look out for their well being and safety.Not seeing that
under this GOP and Trump ego shutdown. Any voice there Senator Romney?
The Donald is fearful of the conservative press and what the radical right will
say about him. Sad.
Everyone knows Trump is just making a big show of the issue at the expense of
Americans just to inflate his ego and dramatize his need for attention and
subservience. The issue should be taken out of the hands of Trump and the White
House and given over to a neutral committee to study and present a reasonable
solution for border security. Get the politics out of
Unfortunately good, hard working Americans are being used as hostages by the
President. Chuck and Nancy are correct, don’t start negotiating until he
releases the hostages.
"A shutdown falls on the President's lack of leadership. He can't
even control his party and get people together in a room. A shutdown means the
President is weak."-Donald Trump, 2013“I am proud to
shut down the government for border security, Chuck.
I will take the
mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for
it.” -DonaldAs other have pointed out Mitch is not allowing a
vote.Trump even made a deal, but was chided but some conservative
bullies on the radio, and he being the leader he is, went back on his word and
caved to a couple DJ's.Why would anybody make a deal with a
person who doesn't keep their word?