President Donald Trump's shutdown solution hangs in limbo

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  • ~ Angel ~ McKinney, TX
    Jan. 23, 2019 12:04 p.m.

    How are 40 year old DACA recipients "children?"

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 23, 2019 9:16 a.m.

    Thid,

    Thanks for making my point. It isn't a crisis if it has been going on for decades. As you said nothing happened in the last month to suddenly make this a crisis. This is a political power game started by the President being afraid to stand up to Colter, Limbaugh and Hannity. Now he has dug in his heels and claims this pretend crisis to try and appease the big three.

    Time to put the country first open the government and have a robust debate about what to do on the border. Time for McConnell to open the Senate for business and quit playing politics. Debate, vote, pass bills, have conference committees to settle differences between the House and the Senate and send bills to the President. If he passes them great, if he vetos them then over ride the veto or rework the bill.

    In other words let the Constitution be applied as was intended.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 4:47 p.m.

    The headline said "Trump's solution", which it isn't, while the article called it a proposal, which it isn't really. Not a serious one, anyway.

    That being said, this shutdown is a disgrace. While Trump did this, it helps no one for either side to let pride overcome common decency toward people who will not recover for some time because of this, some never. Completely irresponsible.

    Put up the fence, overhaul legal points of entry, secure the borders (north and south), quit separating families, and quit the tantrums, Trump. Let's move on.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 2:48 p.m.

    Independent said: "It takes two to compromise. Republicans always cave, democrats never do. "

    You lost me at "Always" and "Never."

    Thid your excuses and parroting of Trumps "stories" don't make it a crisis right now, nor when Donald sent the troops to meet a few hundred. The thing is, Trump could get actual facts and information, if he wasn't smarter than all the border control, homeland security and the intelligence agencies combined.

    Guess who doesn't care? Donald and his loyalists, who refuse to look at reality but prefer to get the information from a person known for their lack of honesty and facts, sad.

    A real leader surrounds himself with smart people and then listens.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    Jan. 22, 2019 2:25 p.m.

    It takes two to compromise. Republicans always cave, democrats never do. How can some people be so unaware of themselves? I hope the shutdown last forever and we give power over those functions back to the states and the people where they belong. Shut it all down.!

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 22, 2019 2:11 p.m.

    Fred44: This border crisis didn't happen suddenly at Christmas time, it has been ongoing for a decade or more as evidenced by the fact that there are an estimated 22 million illegal immigrants in America today. President Trump sent troops to the border in response to the arrival of a caravan of illegals arriving at the border. The LA times had an article recently that reported another new caravan is on the way and Tijuana government officials have not given much thought to avoiding the chaos that arrived in November with 6,000 Central American migrants. There is a humanitarian crisis on both sides of the border where one third of the women in the caravans are being sexually abused! Add to that the fact that about 90% of heroin and cocaine crosses our Southern border by drug smugglers! Guess who doesn't care?

  • Furry1993 MSC, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 1:51 p.m.

    @Biscuit - , 00
    Jan. 22, 2019 8:04 a.m.
    Lets end the shut down. Come on dems, lets work on something. Your battle against Trump is hurting a lot of voters.
    -----
    You forget that, in this current month of January, the House has passed bills, seven of which would fully fund the government with the exception of Homeland Security completely to the end of the fiscal year this fall, and one which would fund Homeland Security short term so a resolution of the border issue could be negotiated. Those bills were sent to the Senate for action, where they sat because McConnell refused even to bring up for a vote anything that trump hadn't said he would sign. The Democrats in the house acted properly; the Senate at the direction of trump did not--the bills weren't even brought up for consideration.

    trump with the collusion of McConnell is acting the bully, and using a my-way-or-the-highway approach. trump wants to bully to get his own way, and is more than willing to let a lot of Americans suffer in the process. The resolution for this is simpl --pass the bills the House passed, and equitably negotiate the Homeland Security funding going forward.

    The resolution for this is in trump's hands.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 22, 2019 1:14 p.m.

    A serious question for you Trump supporters. What happened different at Christmas time to create a crisis on the southern border that required a government shutdown until we have a wall? We had troops on the border in October and they were sent home mid November. If there was a crisis, why did we send the troops home, further more, if it is a crisis, why aren't they there now. Trump is the commander in chief, he could send troops to the border again. If it was a crisis before, why didn't Trump make his stand during the first two years when he had both the House and the Senate?

    A cynic might think that this is all about losing the House and trying to weaken Speaker Pelosi.

    I would really love someone to explain why this suddenly became a crisis.

  • imsmarterthanyou Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 12:16 p.m.

    Stand your ground Trump/Republicans! I can hold out longer than any democrat! Build a good wall down there!

  • JaneB Wilsonville, OR
    Jan. 22, 2019 12:12 p.m.

    Who does Trump care about? Federal workers? Families separated at the border? Minorities? Allies? Dreamers? Asylum seekers? TPS refugees? The vulnerable Kurds?

    Seems to be none of the above.

    Even his own voters are growing tired of his charade. He's losing support from the core of his small base. Reluctantly, they are beginning to see Trump for who he is. Not a moment too soon.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 11:49 a.m.

    Limbo is chaos for the tea party.

  • pragmatistferlife Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 11:27 a.m.

    "For one side to say they will give $1 for the wall, it gives the impression they aren't willing to give and take."

    That's not what they are saying. What they are saying is we will not negotiate for a wall we don't want and don't need until the govt. is re-opened.

    Release the hostages and we will talk.

  • Back Talk Federal Way, WA
    Jan. 22, 2019 11:17 a.m.

    Tell Ann Coulter to go away. It is Neo Cons like her that prevent progress from being made by the Republicans.

    Trump is trying to make progress in fixing the illegal immigration and border security problem. Democrats just want to keep the status quo. Their hypocrisy is evident and they are the real reason for the shutdown.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 22, 2019 11:02 a.m.

    Let's put this in perspective! President Trump is asking for $5.7 billion of an annual budget of about $4.407 trillion to build a barrier to protect our country from intruders. Now, let's drop 9 zeros which would make it comparable to a household budget. In other words, President Trump wants to spend $57 of our household budget of $44,407 to protect women and children on both sides of the border! Now Nancy and Chuck are shutting down the government over $57, saying a wall will not protect us? I will believe that when they take down the walls that surrounds their homes to protect them and their families from intruders! Hypocrite seems to be to mild a word to describe them!

  • dordrecht Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 10:54 a.m.

    I am reminded that Trump was going to have his wall paid for by Mexico. Hold him to that promise, and give 800.000 workers a deserved paycheck!

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 10:52 a.m.

    @lost in DC
    Collatoral damage is unnecessarily shutting down the government by refusing to sign a continuing resolution, even though you already have one set of hostages in the Dreamers to bring Democrats to the table. Apparently Trump just likes hurting people for no reason.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 10:37 a.m.

    mohokat said: "It wasn't Limbaugh, Colter or Fox News! It was because of a video, and a red line, and you can keep your Doctor, and you will save $2500.00 a year."

    What does any of your clever distractions have to do with a shut down?

    Not one of those caused the government to be shut down, but It must be nice to be able to point to specific possible untruths instead of the literal flood of lies from the current administration, so many that listing them using all 4 of my posts wouldn't begin to touch on the total.

    Just because donald claims it's an emergency doesn't make it so. We learned that with the WMD's in Iraq debacle. Let Trump or his fan club point to the place on the graph where the border had a sudden increase in crime/crossings/any border crisis not caused by donalds actions near an election, should be easy.

    But alas, not donald or his loyalists can do this because it doesn't exist, he made it up, the facts and data don't back up his claims.

  • greatbam22 Midvale, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 10:37 a.m.

    We support Trump. Either side is not going to get exactly what they want. However, we are impressed President Trump has negotiated from $25 Billion down to about $5 Billion. That's some sort of sacrifice. And we feel the majority of the House of Representatives should be willing to make some kind of deal with the President even though they don't support the idea of a wall. For one side to say they will give $1 for the wall, it gives the impression they aren't willing to give and take. The situation is....frustrating to say the least.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 10:18 a.m.

    chuckie and nancy don't want a solution, they want trump to be damaged politically - they care nothing about the collateral damage they are causing to the nation and its people.

  • Utah_Happyman Orem, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 10:15 a.m.

    The POTUS believes in slavery, how many of you would work for no pay?

  • Flipphone , 00
    Jan. 22, 2019 9:25 a.m.

    . Republicans hold a 53-47 majority but would need Democrats to reach the usual 60-vote threshold for bills to advance. Not a single Democrat publicly expressed support for the deal.

  • Xpat1961 ,
    Jan. 22, 2019 8:53 a.m.

    According to CNBC: "On Thursday, Senate leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky, said Congress will follow through on Trump€™s border wall order, and McConnell estimated it will cost $15 billion at most €” he cited a range of $12 billion to $15 billion."

    and

    "The U.S. government would have to pay to maintain the wall, which could cost as much as $750 million a year, according to an analysis conducted by Politico. And then if it wanted to man it with personnel, that would be an additional cost €” border patrol has an operating budget of $1.4 billion for 21,000 agents."

    So, what exactly is is the US going to get for $5 billion? A project that will never be completed with overruns exceeding the original estimate.

  • mohokat , 00
    Jan. 22, 2019 8:46 a.m.

    Prometheus Platypus - Orem, UT

    It wasn't Limbaugh, Colter or Fox News!

    It was because of a video, and a red line, and you can keep your Doctor, and you will save $2500.00 a year.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 22, 2019 8:23 a.m.

    sman said:

    "President Trump is not worried about what conservative press might say about him. He is standing on principle."

    You can't be serious. We are in this shutdown because Coulter, Limbaugh and Hannity busted the Presidents chops after he had already agreed to a deal to keep the government open before Christmas. It really is laughable to say he doesn't care what the conservative press thinks, since they are the reason we are where we are today.

  • pragmatistferlife Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 8:08 a.m.

    "Is trump "proud" that hard-working Americans are having to take out loans to save their mortgages and are going to food banks just to put food on the table for their kids? "

    Once this shutdown does end and the Federal workers are back to work. America needs to take a hard look at why hundreds of thousands of middle class Americans with good jobs and secure futures can't go without one paycheck without taking out loans, or food banks.

    The middle class in America is living paycheck to paycheck with a significant percentage having virtually no retirement savings or plans, and this shutdown stuck it in our face.

  • Biscuit , 00
    Jan. 22, 2019 8:04 a.m.

    Lets end the shut down. Come on dems, lets work on something. Your battle against Trump is hurting a lot of voters.

  • military mom Herriman, UT
    Jan. 22, 2019 7:37 a.m.

    @ worf

    Please explain how Mr. Trump arrived at the $5 billion mark for his wall. What will this money pay for exactly? If he does get this amount of money, what happens in a few months when he needs more for a wall that has been estimated to cost $20-25 billion? If Congress balks at allocating future wall funds, does Trump shut down the government again? Since most illegal drugs are smuggled into the country through legal ports of entry in vehicles, how would a wall stem the tide? The bottom line is that the President is worried about his campaign promises and maintaining his popularity with the "5th Avenue Group," not practical, bipartisan solutions for complex problems.

  • Utefan60 , 00
    Jan. 22, 2019 5:19 a.m.

    "May God continue to bless and protect President Trump - a working man and woman's president."

    To this poster, you are seeing the government shut down right??? 800,000 working men and women. Maybe you can go tell all those hard working men and women that Trump isn't going to budge. They are suffering due to his ego.

    For those of us who do not believe that Trump is God's choice. May God bless those unpaid workers and their families that are suffering under the Trump Shutdown. They are in need of the blessing, thoughts, and prayers.

  • sman columbia, MS
    Jan. 22, 2019 4:49 a.m.

    President Trump is not worried about what conservative press might say about him. He is standing on principle. Any bad press from the right can't compare to the,24/7 news hits he has been receiving since he was elected.from both the left and the right. I dare anyone to look and find 1 positive story on him. And he is serving this country with no pay at all

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Jan. 21, 2019 11:39 p.m.

    What is more important?

    Saving many American lives,--stopping people from being kidnapped, slowing drug smuggling. This is not manufactured.

    Or keeping some folks away from a short term job loss?

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2019 9:02 p.m.

    @Meckofahess
    "so much that they don't care if his proposal would be best for the country"

    It's not, especially since it'd set a precedent that shutting down the government by rejecting a continuing resolution is a viable way to have your demands met. That just encourages more shutdowns and destabilization, with a debt ceiling fight in the summer and another budget soon after.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 21, 2019 7:19 p.m.

    "President Donald Trump's shutdown solution hangs in limbo"
    Well you're right about one thing. It's trumps' shutdown. As for the solution, he's not proposed anything serious yet.

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2019 6:02 p.m.

    Mrs. Pelosi doesn't need a wall; she already has one around her house. No wonder she does not want to compromise.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2019 4:51 p.m.

    Democrats aren't about to budge. Such patriots as Kamala Harris hate the President so much that they don't care if his proposal would be best for the country, the dreamers and so-forth. Just being obstructionist and non-productive as usual. Let's build that wall and slow down all the folks that want a free pass into our country without passing legal muster to do so.

  • Red Smith , 00
    Jan. 21, 2019 3:58 p.m.

    May God continue to bless and protect President Trump - a working man and woman's president.

    Thank God for President Trump.

  • airnaut Everett, WA
    Jan. 21, 2019 3:51 p.m.

    “I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck. … I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for it.” ~ Donald J. Trump Dec. 9, 2018

    Meanwhile - the Senate republicans passed a Continuing Resolution 99-0

    The new Democrat led House has re-introduced the prvious CR the Senate passed before, only to have Mitch McConnell allow a vote.

    Why have a Senate of 100 when only 1 Mitch McConnell has any say so.

    Put it up to a vote Mitch.
    What are you afraid of??
    Straight Up and down - like we are supposed to.

    And so what if it passes?,
    Mr. Trump can always veto it.

    That's how it WORKS

    Holding the country hostage like this is Horrific and unacceptable!

    Just remember -- Karma,
    what goes around, comes around.
    Democrats will one day have the House, Senate and WH again.
    Don't let it come back to bite you....

  • Mary Mc Lacey, WA
    Jan. 21, 2019 3:26 p.m.

    Is trump "proud" that hard-working Americans are having to take out loans to save their mortgages and are going to food banks just to put food on the table for their kids? Why would he be "proud" of that? But I do agree, yes he owns it.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Jan. 21, 2019 2:01 p.m.

    We have a government which takes the earnings from its citizens and becomes Santa Clause by handing it out by the billions to other countries. Foreign aid and free benefits. No wonder we have so many trying to bust into our country like its black Friday.

    This isn't what they were voted in to do! Our own political representatives have created this situation. They should represent the people of the United States,--not Mexico or any other country. Let the people of other countries work with their own government to fix things.

    Crazy how low information people are blaming Trump? No! He's defending our country through the objections of traitors.

  • Utefan60 , 00
    Jan. 21, 2019 1:33 p.m.

    Holding the Government Employees hostage and then demanding his wall? What a con job. And the GOP lines up behind their "fearless leader"......I actually meant to say clueless leader.

    He said Mexico would pay for it. Another lie?

    He is now causing the nation to suffer, and putting us into an economic crisis. Yet he does not care. It's all about his ego. That is obvious.

    Sadly the GOP delegation from Utah fell in line. For example: does this shutdown hurt Senator Romney? Not after getting millions back from his GOP buddies in their tax give away to the ultra rich. Estimates are that Romney got at least $10 million when his company's corporate tax rate was reduced in half. So he sure isn't suffering is he?

    Thanks Mitt for standing up to Trump like you indicated in your campaign. That was all rhetoric? The poor don't need any more help from the Trumps, The Romneys, The Koch Brothers, and the ultra rich. They need people who look out for their well being and safety.

    Not seeing that under this GOP and Trump ego shutdown. Any voice there Senator Romney?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2019 12:53 p.m.

    The Donald is fearful of the conservative press and what the radical right will say about him. Sad.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 21, 2019 10:39 a.m.

    Everyone knows Trump is just making a big show of the issue at the expense of Americans just to inflate his ego and dramatize his need for attention and subservience. The issue should be taken out of the hands of Trump and the White House and given over to a neutral committee to study and present a reasonable solution for border security. Get the politics out of

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 21, 2019 9:53 a.m.

    Unfortunately good, hard working Americans are being used as hostages by the President. Chuck and Nancy are correct, don’t start negotiating until he releases the hostages.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Jan. 21, 2019 8:51 a.m.

    "A shutdown falls on the President's lack of leadership. He can't even control his party and get people together in a room. A shutdown means the President is weak."
    -Donald Trump, 2013

    “I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck. … I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for it.” -Donald

    As other have pointed out Mitch is not allowing a vote.

    Trump even made a deal, but was chided but some conservative bullies on the radio, and he being the leader he is, went back on his word and caved to a couple DJ's.

    Why would anybody make a deal with a person who doesn't keep their word?