"We Build the Wall" has raised $20M. The government typically does 2:1
grant matching.This could set up a good compromise. Open the
government for 6 weeks, while matching the money raised by "We Build the
Wall" 2:1. There is some money for wall funding, and payback for the
government employees, with time to work out a bargain on immigration.
Listening to some of you blame the Democrats let me remind you:The
Republicans control the White House and Senate. They couldn't pass funding
even when they still controlled the House.The wall is not as popular
as you think it is. It's a money pit and everyone knows it. Trump just
wants to have a bone to throw out to his base at rallies.
Ditch the wall! This is not the hill to die on. Republicans
can't let a rabid fringe take over - we will spend billions for a wall that
needs constant maintenance and blocks wildlife and takes years to build. Just fund border security. The Democrats will agree, and we will get a
Too bad some of us are not in Washington.We would get this problem
solved in a heartbeat. Right?🤗
. Republicans hold a 53-47 majority but would need Democrats to reach the usual
60-vote threshold for bills to advance. Not a single Democrat publicly expressed
support for the border security deal.
Let the shutdown continue.Jobs are replaceable, not American
@VanconeWhy didn’t trump play hardball and shutdown down the
government when republicans held all the majorities? We know he didn’t
have 60 votes in the senate during that time but why didn’t he stand
firm?He is playing politics but I don’t hear republicans
calling out trump for waiting practically until the democrats take over the
house.The honest truth is if republicans held the same numbers over
the election trump would have never shutdown the government.
@flipphone"Countries have borders and there are times when a
country's borders need to be defended... This is now that time."Based on what data?Number of illegals trying to cross the
border? That number is 1/5th what it was in 2000, and is at the lowest level
in a decade.Number of illegals in the country? That number has not
grown in more than a decade and the majority that do enter the country are now
getting here by overstaying visas.Amount of drugs flowing in? 80%
of the drugs crossing the border come through our existing ports of entry, where
walls already exist alongside guards, checkpoints, dogs, cameras, fences and
And our lovely President tweeted 40 times yesterday. He's a busy boy,
working so hard!Here's a great one from Donald's hard
work: @newtgingrich just stated that there has been no president
since Abraham Lincoln who has been treated worse or more unfairly by the media
than your favorite President, me! At the same time there has been no president
who has accomplished more in his first two years in office!
[email protected]So you have Newt Gingrich, who led the impeachment
of Clinton for lying about cheating on his wife, while at the time cheating on
his own wife, who thinks Trump, who appears to have committed multiple felonies
including foreign collusion and conspiracy to win the presidency, is the most
unfairly treated.These are not your father's Republicans.
These are snowflakes.
President Trump offered Nancy and Chuck to reopen the Government if they agreed
to negotiated funding the wall. Nancy response was, NO! I will not fund border
Democrats have no interesting in ending the Federal Government shut down.
Countries have borders and there are times when a country's borders need to
be defended... This is now that time.Fund the Wall!
Rewarding the president for his bad behavior would only invite more bad
behavior. Open the government!
The French built a "wall" after WWI along their border with Germany
(Magniot Line). The German army went around it. The German army learned the
futility of trench warfare. Flexible assets (with fixed barriers)
make sense to protect our borders, North, South and coastal. A
35' tall concrete wall is marginally effective but very expensive, like
trench warfare.The wall would be an ineffective monument built with
@vanceone"So all those blaming Trump can surely point to the Democrats
efforts to compromise, right? "Here are the proposals put forth
from the Democrat controlled house since they assumed control on January 3rdHouse Resolution 5. Dated 1/3/2019House Resolution 28. Dated
1/8/2019House Resolution 43. Dated 1/15/2019House Resolution 52.
Dated 1/16/2019Feel free to cite any similar Senate proposals put
forward by Republicans. Comments by the President, and blocked Senate votes
don't count. The Constitution dictates how legislation is
made. The House has been following that process. The Senate has been blocking
votes on that process. The President has been tweeting (40 tweets yesterday
So all those blaming Trump can surely point to the Democrats efforts to
compromise, right? Oh, wait: the left has been caught trying to
vacation in Brussels; hordes of Democrats dot the beaches in Puerto Rico, and
every time Trump invites Pelosi and Schumer to the White House, they either
refuse or won't budge.News flash: Compromise involves the left
giving up something too. Government is not "Democrats get 100% of what they
want, all the time!" Really, I know you leftists think that is the case,
but it is not. But hey, you are the party of "We care about
government workers so much that we all wanted to leave town just to make sure
they couldn't get a paycheck!"
On day 30 of the shutdown, Donald Trump didn't spend that day working with
the House and Senate. He didn't spend that day crafting a compromise to
open the government.On day 30 of the shutdown, Donald Trump spent
the day on twitter. He tweeted 40 times in one day. 40 times.
23 of those were re-tweets, meaning that he was reading tweets in between
sending tweets.40 times in 14 hours.
President Trump wants to be a dictator, give me my wall, or i will shut down the
govetnment, doesn't work, give me my wall or I will deport anyonedome can,
doesn't work, let's get some supporters to trade in make America great
again has forr brown shirts.
deseret pete - I did not say it was the same bill that passed the House in late
December, I said it was the same bill that passed in the Senate with a voice
vote. Check the Congressional record, it is the very same bill that McConnell
brought to the Senate and it passed with a voice vote, prior to Speaker Ryan
proposing a different bill, that included the wall funding. Trump had promised
McConnell that he would sign the first bill, that had no funding for the wall
and that he would look elsewhere to get the funding for the wall. But then the
right wing media stepped in with threats to Trump and he totally caved and threw
his promise to McConnell under the bus. That's when Ryan proposed a
different bill. Now Speaker Pelosi has given McConnell a chance to get HIS bill
passed in the Senate but he refuses to bring the bill forward. So ask yourself
why?And while you're at it, why not explain why 800,000 federal
workers should have to go without paychecks because the president doesn't
know how to make a deal.
The Trump-Meadows supporters want the end of government as we know it. They plan
to dictate everything. Sad.
Donald Trump campaigned for almost two years promising his supporters that he
would build a wall and Mexico would pay for it. Mexico stated plainly that they
would not pay for the wall, so Donald Trump should have known as he took office
that he would have to find another way to pay for the wall. For two years his
party enjoyed majorities in the House and the Senate but it was only after his
party lost the majority in the House that he demanded this larger amount of
money for the wall. In previous years he was offered a full $26B if he would
reinstate the Dreamers Act that he killed previously. He turned that deal down.
He was given $1.6B in Border Security funding last year and has only spent a
fraction of that money. Prior to the end of this last year he said he would be
proud to shut down the government for border security. He, and the sometimes
seen Senate Leader, Mitch McConnell, are the ones to blame for where we are
right now. Elections have consequences.
Refusal to compromise?trump told Americans he would gladly accept
responsibility for his shutdown.trump endlessly told Americans
Mexico would pay for his wall.Americans have learned to never trust
let alone compromise with trump.The operative question continues to
be when will republicans learn?
Trump is not a deal maker.
ECR it is not the same bill the house passed before the first of the year.
there is no funding for the wall and mcConnell didn't bring the other bill
up because there wasn't 10 Democrats with enough guts to vote for it. The
Democrats haven't proposed any bill that had any significant funding for
border security. They say open the gov't and then we will talk about it.
Well that is all they would do TALK about it. --- They can't be trusted
@HutteriteNo, it is NOT the "Trump shutdown".It
takes "two to tango". President Trump has made a proposal that gives a
reasonable starting point.When Democratic leadership can only come
up with: "It's a non-starter" seems kind of useless to even make
reasonable proposals.Perhaps Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi are the
rightful owners of this one.🤔
Trump will never cave on this:The border crisis is real;Walls
actually do work;The American people see this for what it is: The
Democrats simply don't want to give Trump the excuse to claim credit for
The article states that President Trump said that Nancy Pelosi is acting
irrationally, "without evidence".Ha ha. How much more
"evidence" do we need? When she says his proposal is a "non
starter", that IS irrational.Why can't she use his
proposal as a STARTING point and make some counter proposals. Guess that would
be too "statesmanlike".Where are Tip O'Neill and Sam
Rayburn when we need them?🤔
When will Ann Coulter call open the government.
Disaster? Really? I doing just fine. Mail comes, planes take off and land, banks
open.....just how is this a disaster. Trump claims it’s his. Good for him.
99.9% of either will NEVER take responsibility for anything. One guy does and I
appreciate that. God bless America and Donald Trump.
The longer this goes the more people are going to realize what a bloated goat
the Federal Government is. Seems like the only people affected are over-payed
Federal employees. It's been thirty days and I haven't noticed a
thing. Reduce the deficit? Reduce the debt? Well here ya go.
Come on dems ,your the reason the shut down is continuing. Lets do something
other than resist.
Why do high level bureaucrats never get affected by government shutdowns? Is
their need for an income more important than that of lower level workers? Do
they work harder and deserve greater consideration? Particularly the political
appointees working within the administration and other administrative staff? Is
it better to punish the anonymous underling no one cares about than some high
profile staffer who the public might sympathize?After 5 weeks of
this nonsense, what is it with Republicans to risk their positions to let Donald
Trump hold federal workers hostage for some political whim which doesn't
even involve them? Today it's for Trump's Wall. What if Trump wants to
eliminate Obamacare? Would it be OK for that too? What about getting rid of
Planned Parenthood or any other conservative issue? Do we allow a Republican
administration have shutdowns and then ban them in case a Democrat become
president and wants to take advantage of this precedent to force through a
Democratic agenda?What if a president decided to threaten war or
break a treaty if he/she couldn't get what they wanted legislatively? Is it
that different? Should we get out of NATO if Trump doesn't get his wall?
Politicians have robbed American citizens of their earnings and given it to
people of other countries. Billions in foreign aid.How much of this
aid has actually filtered to those in need?Many of these countries
have resources to feed themselves and have successful economies.Rather than invading our border, why not fix your government and find better
I wholeheartedly agree with also every single poster on this thread and almost
all of America on this one. This is Donald Trumps disaster and he owns it. His
childishness and inability to handle not getting his own way and being seen as
weak for negotiating has brought this about an-NFC’sd painted him into a
corner he can’t escape from. I pray for every single one of the 800,000
who are suffering tonight due to his sad ego. We should all look for ways to
begin as Americans to help them financially through this ridiculous time.
Trump said he’d proudly shoulder the blame for the shutdown. I say that
we should take him at his word, as a gesture of courtesy, and let him figure
this one out on his own.
I don't really care about the border wall. Right now all we hear is a bunch
of immature politicians from both parties sanctimoniously refusing to grow up
and do what they are supposed to do. If a enough of us could band together and
let all the senators and congressmen from both parties in all states know that
unless they kill the shutdown right away, we won't vote for any of them
next time they run. Fix it now!
Why won't McConnell bring any bill to a vote?"McConnell has
long tried to avoid votes on legislation that is unlikely to become law."That's weak sauce and a poor excuse for dereliction of duty!Congress, do your job! Leaders of Congress, LEAD!
"Their refusal to compromise means they now own the shutdown,
period!""The Democrats are holding all those Federal employees who
have or will be furloughed along with disruption caused by the shutdown across
the States hostage."Own the shutdown? Democrats holding hostage? Shall we roll the tape once again? This is, proudly for him, the trump
Trump ended DACA in 2017. In 2018 he promised to sign any compromise
immigration bill that was sent to him. He was offered 25 billion for his wall in
exchange for a permanent solution for the Dreamers - getting DACA back. Trump
reneged on his promise to sign, and said no to that deal.In Dec he
said he would be proud to shutdown the government unless we gave him 5 billion
for his wall. He said he would not blame Democrats.That is like a
guy stealing your TV and demanding a ransom to get it back. You offer him 25
billion to get it back, but he says, "no." You say, "fine, keep the
TV," and walk away. The guy gets desperate, so he steals your dog. He
demands you give him 5 billion dollars to get your dog back. You tell him that
you don't negotiate with terrorists. He isn't getting any money from
you until he gives your dog back. (The dog is biting the guy...it knows who is
to blame for the mess). Now the guy has offered to let you use your
TV, for awhile, if you give him 5 billion dollars. He still has your dog.Trump owns this.Mitch needs to stop being an obstructionist
and put the House bills up for a vote. They need to over ride a veto and give
us back our government.
“At 30-day mark, shutdown logjam remains over border funding“Totally wrong. The shut down is about courage, or lack of it. We know
what the president wants - $5.7B for a border walk. We know what the Democratic
controlled House of Representatives doesn’t want - to give the president
$5.7B for a border wall. But what we don’t know is why won’t Senate
Leader McConnell bring the bill passed by the House to the Senate for a vote.
It is the same bill the Sebate passed at the end of the last legislative
session, the very same. But Leader McConell is either not courageous enough to
present a bill to the president, which will force him to either sign it or veto
it, the way the process is supposed to work, or McConnell just thinks he alone
should make a decision that impacts the livelihood of 800,000 federal workers
and is against what 56% of the population wants. I’m sure the Founders
are spinning in their graves when they consider how distorted one man in one
political party has twisted the government they designed for all the people.
To all of you commenters trying to pass the buck to the Democrats please
remember that the House has sent passed bills to the Senate that Democratic
Senators have asked McConnell to bring to the floor for a vote only to be
rebuked. The Democrats have done their job. The Republicans specifically
McConnell continue to sit on their hands doing nothing. The Republicans are to
blame for the entire mess, 100%. They own this, not the Democrats.
@Thid Barker"Their refusal to compromise means they now own the
shutdown, period!"Trump is the one refusing to sign a continuing
resolution. It is his shutdown and shutdowns should not be rewarded.
The compromise is trump doesn’t get the wall and democrats don’t get
what they want with dreamers and the government reopens and federal workers get
Of course they’re not. Obstructionists,period. Build the wall.
A temporary concession is not a concession, and since the courts have already
granted this "concession" what type of concession is it? However, the
most important aspect of this "concession" is that the central feature
for objection remains. Democrats and a significant majority of Americans are
opposed to Trump's Wall, so why even keep it in the compromise? No wonder
the offer is DOA.We already know that Donald Trump is not a very
good at negotiator. He never considers "win-win" results. It's
always "he wins big and you lose" which doesn't result in much
success. Apparently the key to his "success" is the leverage he brings
to bear to the table. He looks for an advantage, a threat severe enough for the
opposition to accept the offered deal, in order to be successful. A "big
stick".In this case, it started with the federal government
shutdown. But when that failed, he now comes up with another lever affecting
over 700K DACA recipients and people getting temporary protection: a short-term
package, limited protection. What if he changed this to give full
citizenship to DACA recipients and permanent protection to emigres escaping
horrendous conditions in their home countries?
It's completely obvious now that Pelosi and Schumer are the obstructionists
here and it's time for the news media to call them out on it.
Their refusal to compromise means they now own the shutdown, period!
I told you that the Democrats will not budge; will not deal; will not
compromise. The Democrats are holding all those Federal employees who have or
will be furloughed along with disruption caused by the shutdown across the
States hostage. It is as clear as crystal.