At 30-day mark, shutdown logjam remains over border funding

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  • ~ Angel ~ McKinney, TX
    Jan. 23, 2019 12:21 p.m.

    "We Build the Wall" has raised $20M. The government typically does 2:1 grant matching.

    This could set up a good compromise. Open the government for 6 weeks, while matching the money raised by "We Build the Wall" 2:1. There is some money for wall funding, and payback for the government employees, with time to work out a bargain on immigration.

  • Millenial Snow Sandy, UT
    Jan. 23, 2019 8:15 a.m.

    Listening to some of you blame the Democrats let me remind you:

    The Republicans control the White House and Senate. They couldn't pass funding even when they still controlled the House.

    The wall is not as popular as you think it is. It's a money pit and everyone knows it. Trump just wants to have a bone to throw out to his base at rallies.

  • TeachyMcTeacherPants Sandy, UT
    Jan. 23, 2019 8:13 a.m.

    Ditch the wall!

    This is not the hill to die on. Republicans can't let a rabid fringe take over - we will spend billions for a wall that needs constant maintenance and blocks wildlife and takes years to build.

    Just fund border security. The Democrats will agree, and we will get a safer border.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Jan. 23, 2019 4:55 a.m.

    Too bad some of us are not in Washington.

    We would get this problem solved in a heartbeat. Right?

    🤗

  • Flipphone , 00
    Jan. 22, 2019 10:02 a.m.

    . Republicans hold a 53-47 majority but would need Democrats to reach the usual 60-vote threshold for bills to advance. Not a single Democrat publicly expressed support for the border security deal.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Jan. 21, 2019 11:48 p.m.

    Let the shutdown continue.

    Jobs are replaceable, not American lives.

    Priorities matter.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Jan. 21, 2019 4:40 p.m.

    @Vancone

    Why didn’t trump play hardball and shutdown down the government when republicans held all the majorities? We know he didn’t have 60 votes in the senate during that time but why didn’t he stand firm?

    He is playing politics but I don’t hear republicans calling out trump for waiting practically until the democrats take over the house.

    The honest truth is if republicans held the same numbers over the election trump would have never shutdown the government.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Jan. 21, 2019 2:33 p.m.

    @flipphone
    "Countries have borders and there are times when a country's borders need to be defended... This is now that time."

    Based on what data?

    Number of illegals trying to cross the border? That number is 1/5th what it was in 2000, and is at the lowest level in a decade.

    Number of illegals in the country? That number has not grown in more than a decade and the majority that do enter the country are now getting here by overstaying visas.

    Amount of drugs flowing in? 80% of the drugs crossing the border come through our existing ports of entry, where walls already exist alongside guards, checkpoints, dogs, cameras, fences and technology.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2019 2:03 p.m.

    And our lovely President tweeted 40 times yesterday. He's a busy boy, working so hard!

    Here's a great one from Donald's hard work:

    @newtgingrich just stated that there has been no president since Abraham Lincoln who has been treated worse or more unfairly by the media than your favorite President, me! At the same time there has been no president who has accomplished more in his first two years in office! [email protected]

    So you have Newt Gingrich, who led the impeachment of Clinton for lying about cheating on his wife, while at the time cheating on his own wife, who thinks Trump, who appears to have committed multiple felonies including foreign collusion and conspiracy to win the presidency, is the most unfairly treated.

    These are not your father's Republicans. These are snowflakes.

  • Flipphone , 00
    Jan. 21, 2019 1:40 p.m.

    President Trump offered Nancy and Chuck to reopen the Government if they agreed to negotiated funding the wall. Nancy response was, NO! I will not fund border severity..

  • Flipphone , 00
    Jan. 21, 2019 1:33 p.m.

    Democrats have no interesting in ending the Federal Government shut down. Countries have borders and there are times when a country's borders need to be defended... This is now that time.

    Fund the Wall!

  • reriding Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2019 1:28 p.m.

    Rewarding the president for his bad behavior would only invite more bad behavior. Open the government!

  • WallE Walla Walla, WA
    Jan. 21, 2019 12:06 p.m.

    The French built a "wall" after WWI along their border with Germany (Magniot Line). The German army went around it. The German army learned the futility of trench warfare.

    Flexible assets (with fixed barriers) make sense to protect our borders, North, South and coastal.

    A 35' tall concrete wall is marginally effective but very expensive, like trench warfare.

    The wall would be an ineffective monument built with borrowed money.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Jan. 21, 2019 11:43 a.m.

    @vanceone
    "So all those blaming Trump can surely point to the Democrats efforts to compromise, right? "

    Here are the proposals put forth from the Democrat controlled house since they assumed control on January 3rd

    House Resolution 5. Dated 1/3/2019
    House Resolution 28. Dated 1/8/2019
    House Resolution 43. Dated 1/15/2019
    House Resolution 52. Dated 1/16/2019

    Feel free to cite any similar Senate proposals put forward by Republicans. Comments by the President, and blocked Senate votes don't count.

    The Constitution dictates how legislation is made. The House has been following that process. The Senate has been blocking votes on that process. The President has been tweeting (40 tweets yesterday alone).

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Jan. 21, 2019 11:09 a.m.

    So all those blaming Trump can surely point to the Democrats efforts to compromise, right?

    Oh, wait: the left has been caught trying to vacation in Brussels; hordes of Democrats dot the beaches in Puerto Rico, and every time Trump invites Pelosi and Schumer to the White House, they either refuse or won't budge.

    News flash: Compromise involves the left giving up something too. Government is not "Democrats get 100% of what they want, all the time!" Really, I know you leftists think that is the case, but it is not.

    But hey, you are the party of "We care about government workers so much that we all wanted to leave town just to make sure they couldn't get a paycheck!"

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Jan. 21, 2019 10:31 a.m.

    On day 30 of the shutdown, Donald Trump didn't spend that day working with the House and Senate. He didn't spend that day crafting a compromise to open the government.

    On day 30 of the shutdown, Donald Trump spent the day on twitter.

    He tweeted 40 times in one day. 40 times. 23 of those were re-tweets, meaning that he was reading tweets in between sending tweets.

    40 times in 14 hours.

  • whatsup1 Kekaha, HI
    Jan. 21, 2019 10:13 a.m.

    President Trump wants to be a dictator, give me my wall, or i will shut down the govetnment, doesn't work, give me my wall or I will deport anyonedome can, doesn't work, let's get some supporters to trade in make America great again has forr brown shirts.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Jan. 21, 2019 9:55 a.m.

    deseret pete - I did not say it was the same bill that passed the House in late December, I said it was the same bill that passed in the Senate with a voice vote. Check the Congressional record, it is the very same bill that McConnell brought to the Senate and it passed with a voice vote, prior to Speaker Ryan proposing a different bill, that included the wall funding. Trump had promised McConnell that he would sign the first bill, that had no funding for the wall and that he would look elsewhere to get the funding for the wall. But then the right wing media stepped in with threats to Trump and he totally caved and threw his promise to McConnell under the bus. That's when Ryan proposed a different bill. Now Speaker Pelosi has given McConnell a chance to get HIS bill passed in the Senate but he refuses to bring the bill forward. So ask yourself why?

    And while you're at it, why not explain why 800,000 federal workers should have to go without paychecks because the president doesn't know how to make a deal.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2019 9:32 a.m.

    The Trump-Meadows supporters want the end of government as we know it. They plan to dictate everything. Sad.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Jan. 21, 2019 8:46 a.m.

    Donald Trump campaigned for almost two years promising his supporters that he would build a wall and Mexico would pay for it. Mexico stated plainly that they would not pay for the wall, so Donald Trump should have known as he took office that he would have to find another way to pay for the wall. For two years his party enjoyed majorities in the House and the Senate but it was only after his party lost the majority in the House that he demanded this larger amount of money for the wall. In previous years he was offered a full $26B if he would reinstate the Dreamers Act that he killed previously. He turned that deal down. He was given $1.6B in Border Security funding last year and has only spent a fraction of that money. Prior to the end of this last year he said he would be proud to shut down the government for border security. He, and the sometimes seen Senate Leader, Mitch McConnell, are the ones to blame for where we are right now.

    Elections have consequences.

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    Jan. 21, 2019 8:42 a.m.

    Refusal to compromise?

    trump told Americans he would gladly accept responsibility for his shutdown.

    trump endlessly told Americans Mexico would pay for his wall.

    Americans have learned to never trust let alone compromise with trump.

    The operative question continues to be when will republicans learn?

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 21, 2019 7:58 a.m.

    Trump is not a deal maker.

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    Jan. 21, 2019 7:48 a.m.

    ECR it is not the same bill the house passed before the first of the year. there is no funding for the wall and mcConnell didn't bring the other bill up because there wasn't 10 Democrats with enough guts to vote for it. The Democrats haven't proposed any bill that had any significant funding for border security. They say open the gov't and then we will talk about it. Well that is all they would do TALK about it. --- They can't be trusted

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Jan. 21, 2019 7:47 a.m.

    @Hutterite

    No, it is NOT the "Trump shutdown".

    It takes "two to tango". President Trump has made a proposal that gives a reasonable starting point.

    When Democratic leadership can only come up with: "It's a non-starter" seems kind of useless to even make reasonable proposals.

    Perhaps Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi are the rightful owners of this one.

    🤔

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    Jan. 21, 2019 7:52 a.m.

    Trump will never cave on this:
    The border crisis is real;
    Walls actually do work;
    The American people see this for what it is: The Democrats simply don't want to give Trump the excuse to claim credit for another win.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Jan. 21, 2019 7:39 a.m.

    The article states that President Trump said that Nancy Pelosi is acting irrationally, "without evidence".

    Ha ha. How much more "evidence" do we need? When she says his proposal is a "non starter", that IS irrational.

    Why can't she use his proposal as a STARTING point and make some counter proposals. Guess that would be too "statesmanlike".

    Where are Tip O'Neill and Sam Rayburn when we need them?

    🤔

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2019 7:30 a.m.

    When will Ann Coulter call open the government.

  • ute alumni Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2019 7:17 a.m.

    Disaster? Really? I doing just fine. Mail comes, planes take off and land, banks open.....just how is this a disaster. Trump claims it’s his. Good for him. 99.9% of either will NEVER take responsibility for anything. One guy does and I appreciate that. God bless America and Donald Trump.

  • Copybook Headings Draper, UT
    Jan. 21, 2019 5:09 a.m.

    The longer this goes the more people are going to realize what a bloated goat the Federal Government is. Seems like the only people affected are over-payed Federal employees. It's been thirty days and I haven't noticed a thing. Reduce the deficit? Reduce the debt? Well here ya go.

  • Biscuit , 00
    Jan. 21, 2019 5:06 a.m.

    Come on dems ,your the reason the shut down is continuing. Lets do something other than resist.

  • Joe Leaphorn Scottsdale, AZ
    Jan. 21, 2019 1:15 a.m.

    Why do high level bureaucrats never get affected by government shutdowns? Is their need for an income more important than that of lower level workers? Do they work harder and deserve greater consideration? Particularly the political appointees working within the administration and other administrative staff? Is it better to punish the anonymous underling no one cares about than some high profile staffer who the public might sympathize?

    After 5 weeks of this nonsense, what is it with Republicans to risk their positions to let Donald Trump hold federal workers hostage for some political whim which doesn't even involve them? Today it's for Trump's Wall. What if Trump wants to eliminate Obamacare? Would it be OK for that too? What about getting rid of Planned Parenthood or any other conservative issue? Do we allow a Republican administration have shutdowns and then ban them in case a Democrat become president and wants to take advantage of this precedent to force through a Democratic agenda?

    What if a president decided to threaten war or break a treaty if he/she couldn't get what they wanted legislatively? Is it that different? Should we get out of NATO if Trump doesn't get his wall?

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Jan. 20, 2019 11:28 p.m.

    Politicians have robbed American citizens of their earnings and given it to people of other countries. Billions in foreign aid.

    How much of this aid has actually filtered to those in need?

    Many of these countries have resources to feed themselves and have successful economies.

    Rather than invading our border, why not fix your government and find better leaders?

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    Jan. 20, 2019 10:38 p.m.

    I wholeheartedly agree with also every single poster on this thread and almost all of America on this one. This is Donald Trumps disaster and he owns it. His childishness and inability to handle not getting his own way and being seen as weak for negotiating has brought this about an-NFC’sd painted him into a corner he can’t escape from. I pray for every single one of the 800,000 who are suffering tonight due to his sad ego. We should all look for ways to begin as Americans to help them financially through this ridiculous time.

  • durwood kirby , 00
    Jan. 20, 2019 10:00 p.m.

    Trump said he’d proudly shoulder the blame for the shutdown. I say that we should take him at his word, as a gesture of courtesy, and let him figure this one out on his own.

  • JSB , 00
    Jan. 20, 2019 8:50 p.m.

    I don't really care about the border wall. Right now all we hear is a bunch of immature politicians from both parties sanctimoniously refusing to grow up and do what they are supposed to do. If a enough of us could band together and let all the senators and congressmen from both parties in all states know that unless they kill the shutdown right away, we won't vote for any of them next time they run. Fix it now!

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Jan. 20, 2019 8:08 p.m.

    Why won't McConnell bring any bill to a vote?

    "McConnell has long tried to avoid votes on legislation that is unlikely to become law."

    That's weak sauce and a poor excuse for dereliction of duty!

    Congress, do your job! Leaders of Congress, LEAD!

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 20, 2019 8:04 p.m.

    "Their refusal to compromise means they now own the shutdown, period!"
    "The Democrats are holding all those Federal employees who have or will be furloughed along with disruption caused by the shutdown across the States hostage."
    Own the shutdown? Democrats holding hostage?
    Shall we roll the tape once again? This is, proudly for him, the trump shutdown.

    Period.

  • wgirl , 00
    Jan. 20, 2019 5:15 p.m.

    Trump ended DACA in 2017.

    In 2018 he promised to sign any compromise immigration bill that was sent to him. He was offered 25 billion for his wall in exchange for a permanent solution for the Dreamers - getting DACA back. Trump reneged on his promise to sign, and said no to that deal.

    In Dec he said he would be proud to shutdown the government unless we gave him 5 billion for his wall. He said he would not blame Democrats.

    That is like a guy stealing your TV and demanding a ransom to get it back. You offer him 25 billion to get it back, but he says, "no." You say, "fine, keep the TV," and walk away. The guy gets desperate, so he steals your dog. He demands you give him 5 billion dollars to get your dog back. You tell him that you don't negotiate with terrorists. He isn't getting any money from you until he gives your dog back. (The dog is biting the guy...it knows who is to blame for the mess).

    Now the guy has offered to let you use your TV, for awhile, if you give him 5 billion dollars. He still has your dog.

    Trump owns this.

    Mitch needs to stop being an obstructionist and put the House bills up for a vote. They need to over ride a veto and give us back our government.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Jan. 20, 2019 5:12 p.m.

    “At 30-day mark, shutdown logjam remains over border funding“

    Totally wrong. The shut down is about courage, or lack of it. We know what the president wants - $5.7B for a border walk. We know what the Democratic controlled House of Representatives doesn’t want - to give the president $5.7B for a border wall. But what we don’t know is why won’t Senate Leader McConnell bring the bill passed by the House to the Senate for a vote. It is the same bill the Sebate passed at the end of the last legislative session, the very same. But Leader McConell is either not courageous enough to present a bill to the president, which will force him to either sign it or veto it, the way the process is supposed to work, or McConnell just thinks he alone should make a decision that impacts the livelihood of 800,000 federal workers and is against what 56% of the population wants. I’m sure the Founders are spinning in their graves when they consider how distorted one man in one political party has twisted the government they designed for all the people.

  • BJMoose Syracuse, UT
    Jan. 20, 2019 5:04 p.m.

    To all of you commenters trying to pass the buck to the Democrats please remember that the House has sent passed bills to the Senate that Democratic Senators have asked McConnell to bring to the floor for a vote only to be rebuked. The Democrats have done their job. The Republicans specifically McConnell continue to sit on their hands doing nothing. The Republicans are to blame for the entire mess, 100%. They own this, not the Democrats.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2019 4:03 p.m.

    @Thid Barker
    "Their refusal to compromise means they now own the shutdown, period!"

    Trump is the one refusing to sign a continuing resolution. It is his shutdown and shutdowns should not be rewarded.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Jan. 20, 2019 3:17 p.m.

    The compromise is trump doesn’t get the wall and democrats don’t get what they want with dreamers and the government reopens and federal workers get paid.

  • ute alumni Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2019 2:46 p.m.

    Of course they’re not. Obstructionists,period.
    Build the wall. Emergency funding.

  • Janet Pete Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2019 2:41 p.m.

    A temporary concession is not a concession, and since the courts have already granted this "concession" what type of concession is it? However, the most important aspect of this "concession" is that the central feature for objection remains. Democrats and a significant majority of Americans are opposed to Trump's Wall, so why even keep it in the compromise? No wonder the offer is DOA.

    We already know that Donald Trump is not a very good at negotiator. He never considers "win-win" results. It's always "he wins big and you lose" which doesn't result in much success. Apparently the key to his "success" is the leverage he brings to bear to the table. He looks for an advantage, a threat severe enough for the opposition to accept the offered deal, in order to be successful. A "big stick".

    In this case, it started with the federal government shutdown. But when that failed, he now comes up with another lever affecting over 700K DACA recipients and people getting temporary protection: a short-term package, limited protection.

    What if he changed this to give full citizenship to DACA recipients and permanent protection to emigres escaping horrendous conditions in their home countries?

  • Tumbleweed Centerville, UT
    Jan. 20, 2019 2:25 p.m.

    It's completely obvious now that Pelosi and Schumer are the obstructionists here and it's time for the news media to call them out on it.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 20, 2019 1:39 p.m.

    Their refusal to compromise means they now own the shutdown, period!

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2019 1:13 p.m.

    I told you that the Democrats will not budge; will not deal; will not compromise. The Democrats are holding all those Federal employees who have or will be furloughed along with disruption caused by the shutdown across the States hostage. It is as clear as crystal.