I commented on the day this story was published. Was condescindingly lectured
by those on the left. Once again, the media jumped in on a story without all
the facts, just like the Buzzfeed article. Pretty sure this isn't really
about anything but the Left's hatred for Trump. Trump derangement syndrome
is very real. Apparently wearing a MAGA hat is unforgivable, no matter what.
My first post was declined by the moderators. I don't think we should hold
our breath looking for a retraction or any of the earlier posters to admit they
were wrong. It just doesn't fit the leftist/progressive/liberal modus
operandi. Being leftist means never having to say you're sorry. The end
justifies the means.
I'm saddened that even the Des News doesn't try to verify the whole
story. The actual footage show a different story and you don't see the
youth behaving as purported. Move over there are many interlopers walking,
standing by that are not part of the group. The youth are right in hoping for
Well now, it looks like that facts are completely overturning the initial media
narrative on this incident.The has been much umbrage taken by the
media over complaints about "fake news" and repeated studies showing 90%
(or higher) negative coverage of President Trump. Pretty much the Bart Simpson
defense of the indefensible- "I didn't do it, you didn't see me,
you can't prove it."This story was from Associated Press,
which has a reputation for at least inaccuracy if not outright untruthfulness.
The Deseret News needs to express their outrage over being fed garbage because
silence admits satisfaction if not complicity with the rest of the "fake
news" industry.Now, will all those initial posters who expressed
outrage over an incident which was not as reported retract their comments?As Paul Harvey used to say "How do you unring a bell?"
After seeing full film coverage and hearing the other side of the story, it will
be interesting to hear a reply by the news organizations spreading the initial
version and by those who rushed to judgement before getting the full story. Will
this just be allowed to die as a story ? The integrity of those news
organizations and others is at stake. Tell me again about the importance of a
I saw precisely ZERO mocking in that video.The story and the video make a
few things clear:1. This adult approached this child, not the other way
around2. This adult got right in this child's face and loudly drummed
and sang in a pretty confrontational way3. This adult was not surrounded
or restrained in any way. He could have easily moved around this child and it
was his own supporters who were closest to him4. This child just stood and
smiled - he did not react in any other way5. If it had been an adult in a
MAGA hat banging and screaming in a child's face, the reaction would have
been the complete opposite to what it has been.
All this outrage is based on an out of context selection of one video. A news
site has posted three longer videos of the incident showing it in full context
and it is not what people have been lead to believe.Shame on those
who mislead people! Especially if they refuse to correct their account later.
Why did Mr. Phillips have a cameraman accompany him when Phillips moved into the
group of boys ? And why were there provocative catcalls made to the boys by
other accompanying adults in Mr. Phillip's group ? And the film cut to only
show reaction to the intrusion ? Before making judgement calls, these questions
need to be addressed. There are usually two sides to a story; both sides deserve
to make their case. This is America, right ?
Before piling on too hard, folks might want to look for news beyond the AP and
other usual sources.There are additional and extended videos that
show it was the drummers and singers who moved into the personal space of the
students rather than the students moving into the personal space of the
drummers. Furthermore, there are reports that some of the American Indians
present shouted things such as "Go back to Europe," to the students.It is possible, of course, that the students provoked and the Indians
simply responded. But it is also possible that the Indians provoked and the
students choose to peacefully stand and smile rather than being intimidated. Or
maybe, there were a small number on both sides who provoked the other.That we are hearing only one very convenient narrative when additional video
exists, should be troubling to anyone who cares about the truth rather than just
wanting confirmation of his personal biases or to push any specific narrative.
There is no excuse for mocking or belittling what others peacefully hold sacred.
There is no excuse for attempting to make others feel uncomfortable or less than
as they peacefully exercise their religious beliefs in the public sphere.That is equally true for American Indian religious beliefs as it is for
Islamic beliefs, as it is for Christian beliefs.I want those who are
properly condemning improper behavior from young, conservative Catholics to
think about how you react when you read about anti-LDS protesters outside
General Conference or a Pageant. How do feel about these Catholic kids in MAGA
hats compared to how do you feel when someone parades around in LDS Temple
Article: "The Roman Catholic Diocese of Covington and Covington Catholic
High School ... said ...'This behavior is opposed to the Church's
teachings on the dignity and respect of the human person.'"Yeah, okay, fine. Few if any readers think the Catholic Church actively and
directly teaches the repulsive behavior and values reflected in this video.But somehow, some way, dozens of young people who have been brought up
in the Catholic Church and educated in Covington Catholic High School have
adopted these indefensible values and are now living these values out in the
world.This is not an isolated case of 1-2 troubling-making kids or
the result of 1-2 wayward teachers or priests.This group
behavior/values can only be explained by institutional influences and guidance.
It has all the markings of systemic failure and the inability of the Church to
compete and prevail over morally repugnant secular value systems. The good news is that the competing value system should be pretty easy to
Not a complimentary reflection on what those students have learned in their
Catholic school! America has been a great nation thanks to the Native
@ joyfully"Also pretty confident there is plenty of hostile
behavior from the young generation on the left--Antifa for example."That's a nice deflection but unless you can cite one example of
Antifa-clad "leftist" high school students mocking and bullying a MAGA
hat wearing US veteran, we'll just have to call it a deflection. Any such
incident would have been all over the news.
Disrespect at the highest level and from students from a religious private
school. For this school to be embarrassed at the actions of their students is
an understatement, yes they need to get to the bottom of this disrespect and
maybe they need to rethink their curriculum and stress the study of US
History. But I’m wondering where are the chaperones when this was
Shameful. How does this kind of display Make America Great Again? To me,
this is exactly the opposite of greatness.
Joyfully. Yes, the 1st Amendment guarantees freedom of speech, and in this case
the freedom to act like a jerk. There is no constitutional issue involved in
identifying boorish behavior as such. On the matter of your deflection, would
you accept "those other guys do it too" as an excuse from your children?
@joyfully,Joy is not what I felt when I saw this video. Students
that act like this are not making America great again.
Bullying isn’t a first amendment right.
Not going to defend these students, of course it was wrong. Interesting to
note that the comments I read are from those who may forget the 1st Amendment
rights of everyone, even those were disagree with. Also pretty confident there
is plenty of hostile behavior from the young generation on the left--Antifa for
It's hard to say what's worse. The fact that this isn't a
surprise, or the fact that there will be some comments actually defending the
actions of this group.
If these kinds of incidents are happening in public imagine what's going on
inside our high schools and junior highs.
That's disgusting and appalling. It's the sub-text of where Trump has
taken us. There is no getting around that when they're all wearing MAGA
hats. George Soros wasn't paying those kids.
These Maga students need to read their history books. Native Americans were here
before anyone else. Immigrants took over their land.