Students in 'MAGA' hats mock Native American after rally

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  • Joyfully American Fork, UT
    Jan. 21, 2019 4:12 p.m.

    I commented on the day this story was published. Was condescindingly lectured by those on the left. Once again, the media jumped in on a story without all the facts, just like the Buzzfeed article. Pretty sure this isn't really about anything but the Left's hatred for Trump. Trump derangement syndrome is very real. Apparently wearing a MAGA hat is unforgivable, no matter what.

  • Groucho Marks Lehi, UT
    Jan. 21, 2019 11:14 a.m.

    My first post was declined by the moderators. I don't think we should hold our breath looking for a retraction or any of the earlier posters to admit they were wrong. It just doesn't fit the leftist/progressive/liberal modus operandi. Being leftist means never having to say you're sorry. The end justifies the means.

  • Ben there, Done that! Sun Prairie, WI
    Jan. 21, 2019 10:31 a.m.

    I'm saddened that even the Des News doesn't try to verify the whole story. The actual footage show a different story and you don't see the youth behaving as purported. Move over there are many interlopers walking, standing by that are not part of the group. The youth are right in hoping for MAGA.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 21, 2019 10:25 a.m.

    Well now, it looks like that facts are completely overturning the initial media narrative on this incident.

    The has been much umbrage taken by the media over complaints about "fake news" and repeated studies showing 90% (or higher) negative coverage of President Trump. Pretty much the Bart Simpson defense of the indefensible- "I didn't do it, you didn't see me, you can't prove it."

    This story was from Associated Press, which has a reputation for at least inaccuracy if not outright untruthfulness. The Deseret News needs to express their outrage over being fed garbage because silence admits satisfaction if not complicity with the rest of the "fake news" industry.

    Now, will all those initial posters who expressed outrage over an incident which was not as reported retract their comments?

    As Paul Harvey used to say "How do you unring a bell?"

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2019 7:21 a.m.

    After seeing full film coverage and hearing the other side of the story, it will be interesting to hear a reply by the news organizations spreading the initial version and by those who rushed to judgement before getting the full story. Will this just be allowed to die as a story ? The integrity of those news organizations and others is at stake. Tell me again about the importance of a "free press".

  • JohnMill Australia, 00
    Jan. 20, 2019 8:44 p.m.

    I saw precisely ZERO mocking in that video.
    The story and the video make a few things clear:
    1. This adult approached this child, not the other way around
    2. This adult got right in this child's face and loudly drummed and sang in a pretty confrontational way
    3. This adult was not surrounded or restrained in any way. He could have easily moved around this child and it was his own supporters who were closest to him
    4. This child just stood and smiled - he did not react in any other way
    5. If it had been an adult in a MAGA hat banging and screaming in a child's face, the reaction would have been the complete opposite to what it has been.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 20, 2019 6:23 p.m.

    All this outrage is based on an out of context selection of one video. A news site has posted three longer videos of the incident showing it in full context and it is not what people have been lead to believe.

    Shame on those who mislead people! Especially if they refuse to correct their account later.

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2019 5:58 p.m.

    Why did Mr. Phillips have a cameraman accompany him when Phillips moved into the group of boys ? And why were there provocative catcalls made to the boys by other accompanying adults in Mr. Phillip's group ? And the film cut to only show reaction to the intrusion ? Before making judgement calls, these questions need to be addressed. There are usually two sides to a story; both sides deserve to make their case. This is America, right ?

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Jan. 20, 2019 12:23 p.m.

    Before piling on too hard, folks might want to look for news beyond the AP and other usual sources.

    There are additional and extended videos that show it was the drummers and singers who moved into the personal space of the students rather than the students moving into the personal space of the drummers. Furthermore, there are reports that some of the American Indians present shouted things such as "Go back to Europe," to the students.

    It is possible, of course, that the students provoked and the Indians simply responded. But it is also possible that the Indians provoked and the students choose to peacefully stand and smile rather than being intimidated. Or maybe, there were a small number on both sides who provoked the other.

    That we are hearing only one very convenient narrative when additional video exists, should be troubling to anyone who cares about the truth rather than just wanting confirmation of his personal biases or to push any specific narrative.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Jan. 20, 2019 11:58 a.m.

    There is no excuse for mocking or belittling what others peacefully hold sacred. There is no excuse for attempting to make others feel uncomfortable or less than as they peacefully exercise their religious beliefs in the public sphere.

    That is equally true for American Indian religious beliefs as it is for Islamic beliefs, as it is for Christian beliefs.

    I want those who are properly condemning improper behavior from young, conservative Catholics to think about how you react when you read about anti-LDS protesters outside General Conference or a Pageant. How do feel about these Catholic kids in MAGA hats compared to how do you feel when someone parades around in LDS Temple ceremonial clothing?

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Jan. 20, 2019 10:16 a.m.

    Article: "The Roman Catholic Diocese of Covington and Covington Catholic High School ... said ...'This behavior is opposed to the Church's teachings on the dignity and respect of the human person.'"

    Yeah, okay, fine. Few if any readers think the Catholic Church actively and directly teaches the repulsive behavior and values reflected in this video.

    But somehow, some way, dozens of young people who have been brought up in the Catholic Church and educated in Covington Catholic High School have adopted these indefensible values and are now living these values out in the world.

    This is not an isolated case of 1-2 troubling-making kids or the result of 1-2 wayward teachers or priests.

    This group behavior/values can only be explained by institutional influences and guidance. It has all the markings of systemic failure and the inability of the Church to compete and prevail over morally repugnant secular value systems.

    The good news is that the competing value system should be pretty easy to identify.

  • dordrecht Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2019 9:55 a.m.

    Not a complimentary reflection on what those students have learned in their Catholic school! America has been a great nation thanks to the Native Americans!

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 20, 2019 9:32 a.m.

    @ joyfully

    "Also pretty confident there is plenty of hostile behavior from the young generation on the left--Antifa for example."

    That's a nice deflection but unless you can cite one example of Antifa-clad "leftist" high school students mocking and bullying a MAGA hat wearing US veteran, we'll just have to call it a deflection. Any such incident would have been all over the news.

  • copperqueen Riverton, UT
    Jan. 20, 2019 8:51 a.m.

    Disrespect at the highest level and from students from a religious private school. For this school to be embarrassed at the actions of their students is an understatement, yes they need to get to the bottom of this disrespect and maybe they need to rethink their curriculum and stress the study of US History.
    But I’m wondering where are the chaperones when this was happening?

  • TUN_Heathen PINCKNEY, MI
    Jan. 20, 2019 8:50 a.m.

    Shameful.
    How does this kind of display Make America Great Again? To me, this is exactly the opposite of greatness.

  • Freiheit Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2019 7:21 a.m.

    Joyfully. Yes, the 1st Amendment guarantees freedom of speech, and in this case the freedom to act like a jerk. There is no constitutional issue involved in identifying boorish behavior as such. On the matter of your deflection, would you accept "those other guys do it too" as an excuse from your children?

  • cityboy Farmington, UT
    Jan. 20, 2019 1:07 a.m.

    @joyfully,

    Joy is not what I felt when I saw this video. Students that act like this are not making America great again.

  • Reader81 SLC, UT
    Jan. 20, 2019 12:18 a.m.

    Bullying isn’t a first amendment right.

  • Joyfully American Fork, UT
    Jan. 19, 2019 10:52 p.m.

    Not going to defend these students, of course it was wrong. Interesting to note that the comments I read are from those who may forget the 1st Amendment rights of everyone, even those were disagree with. Also pretty confident there is plenty of hostile behavior from the young generation on the left--Antifa for example.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Jan. 19, 2019 6:48 p.m.

    It's hard to say what's worse. The fact that this isn't a surprise, or the fact that there will be some comments actually defending the actions of this group.

  • Semi-PRO Brigham City, UT
    Jan. 19, 2019 6:32 p.m.

    If these kinds of incidents are happening in public imagine what's going on inside our high schools and junior highs.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 19, 2019 6:27 p.m.

    That's disgusting and appalling. It's the sub-text of where Trump has taken us. There is no getting around that when they're all wearing MAGA hats. George Soros wasn't paying those kids.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 19, 2019 6:07 p.m.

    These Maga students need to read their history books. Native Americans were here before anyone else. Immigrants took over their land.