The left lied about Nick Sandmann. The left are lying about the wall.Look at Pelosi - wall around her property, fence around her tennis court, but
nothing for "The Forgotten Man."
What a joke...Trump promised Mexico would pay for his “crises” wall.
Mexico laughed at his ridiculous promise and now it’s all riding on the
backs of thousands of federal employees. As hard working Utahns struggle and
suffer, Lee and other politicians do not care! It is beyond shameful. If you all
were so concerned about the border then please explain what you were doing the
last two years to manage the crises?
Please look at the true facts of the problem. The people of Utah elected you to
be smart and ensure you are not fooled by a liar. The wall was never to be paid
for by the American people. There is also no factual evidence of a crisis on the
border. Yes, we need immigration reform and improvements with technology at all
ports of entry. There are no factual statistics that show the area on the
southern border without barriers has had any increase of illegal entry, large
amounts of drugs, or that the people entering on foot are all criminals, rapist,
or women giving their daughters birth control. These are also manufactured lies
that this president spews with no evidence. If you have numbers or factual
reports please site them, because no one seems to have them anywhere. Do not
keep allowing the Senate majority leader to hold the American people hostage or
this president. Force a vote on the bills that have passed the house and get the
government reopened! The presidents plan with his son-in-law and Pence is not a
compromise. That is not how our government is suppose to work, so stop letting
the president intimidate or twist our country into knots as a dictator would.
To "Weston Jurney" I don't think you have been paying attention
very much to the shutdown. Trump has given a very nice compromise to the
Democrats. The Democrats are the ones who refuse to even come to the table and
discuss things. It is the Democrats that are holding the paychecks of the
Federal Workers hostage.
These days, when a Republican says "let's work together," he means,
"We're not giving an inch. You do whatever tRump says, or we
continue to hold people's lives hostage."
@Flipphone;I wasn't aware that Salt Lake county needed to be
defended from Utah county. Go figure.@David;Why
won't Democrats "fund the wall"? Why should we? Trump promised
that Mexico would pay for it.@BYUAlum;How can the
Democrats deny what Trump promised, that Mexico would pay for his wall? Blame
that on Trump and Mexico not reaching a deal, not the Dems.
Under Sen. McConnell, the Senate has forsaken its roots in the Legislative
Branch to become a puppet of the Executive Branch. (May Kentucky vote him out
in 2020!) Sen. Lee is correct--Senators and Representatives, you MUST stand up
and do your independent work! Pass bills YOU believe in, THEN negotiate with
one another and the Executive Branch. Please, do your work first, then you can
negotiate from positions of strength. We need a government with the THREE
branches prescribed by the inspired Constitution. The Executive Branch has
intimidated and emasculated the Legislative Branch to the point that at best we
now have only 1 1/2 branches. We must have THREE, and the Senate in particular
must reclaim its position, deliberate, act on its own, and vote its principles!
Please, get on with it!!
David said:"Democrats in the House could send a bill approving
the funding of the wall as requested by Trump. This would end the shut down. Why
won't they fund the wall?"Because 'the wall' is a
just a stupid waste of money campaign promise that the donald made to his base
of credulous fans while telling those people that "Mexico is going to pay
for it".We already have walls in nearly every place they belong.
They are useless in other places. If you truly want to stop illegal immigration
then demand employers who hire illegals go to jail. People like donald trump.
BYUalum - South Jordan, UT, did Mexico send the money that Trump promised they
would do?Simple question? If not, did he lie? For me
and my house I refuse to support a man who has shown this country a massive
amount of corruption, over 7,000 verified lies, and then degrades women,
minorities, and immigrants. Honest, decent, and educated people do not support
Trump. Not in any sense. This man could care less about the 800,000 Government
Employees.God bless those employees betrayed by Trump and the GOP.
Trump is not worthy of any of any righteous person's support.
Pelosi, has already told President Trump that she will NOT fund the border
security wall even if he does end the partial shutdown.Countries
have borders and at times borders need to be defended... NOW is that time. Fund the Wall.
“Sometimes setting the record straight as to who is where on each
important issue is helpful; it moves the legislative process forward.”Senator Lee, I agree with your statement above; bring the
funding measures to open individual agencies already passed by the House to a
vote in the Senate.Vote, and set the record straight on where you
I have a dream....that Lee will read these comments. It appears that
consitutional scholarship is not working as a practical solution.
@Twin Lights "But compromise will likely be necessary and that
means less than what the president wants for the wall. But, would the
Republicans in the Senate put forward a package that includes the Dream Act and
then fully fund the wall? That might make it palatable for both sides. "It is not a matter of what each side "wants." It is about what
the Constitution mandates. Everyone is supposed to be on the side of the
Constitution -- which specifies proper border security. But Nancy
Pelosi isn't. Trump owes the Democrats nothing -- certainly he
doesn't owe them Amnesty (DACA) -- which is the exact opposite of
enforcement of the nation's borders and Iaws.
Least effective president in recent history risks to bring down the GOP with
him. Sen. Lee is running scared that Utah voters will decide that he's not
very effective as well.
DN,This is not the Houses problem, this is a Senate problem. Vote
on the CR sitting on My Connells desk. Trump's veto or no veto is of no
relevance until a bill is on his desk. The Senate specifically McConnell is
holding things up. If it passes let Trump choose to veto it if he wants. Then
it's back to Congress. A Presidents veto threat should not stop the Senate
from doing their job. Both sides are playing politics but the Republicans are
trying to circumvent normal order.
@byualumIt doesn’t really matter what trump promised. He has
zero authorization to fund anything. That is up to Congress.Also
congress doesn’t need trump. They can simply override any veto but
McConnell is protecting trump. Imagine if McConnell allowed a vote on this house
bill and it passes and then trump vetoes it. That would make trump look bad.
Senator Lee, whatever you can do to bring legislators together to work out a
compromise to end this government shutdown would be much appreciated. The
complete polarizing of political parties is something I would like to see
changed. We need to see leadership and accomplishment not acrimony and sarcasm
from our elected leaders. The current toxic environment is not acceptable.
To "TheJester " just because he is willing to take the blame
doesn't change the fact that he is acting just like Obama did over ACA
funding. It also doesn't change the fact that Lee and Cruz never had the
power to shut down the government. It doesn't change the fact that it is
Pelosi being obstinate that has shut down the government. She went into her
first meeting with Trump saying that she would not give up any funding for the
wall. She ended talks of compromise with that. She has since refused to even
meet with Trump to work out a compromise. So, despite Trump taking the blame,
the problem lies with the Democrats for the shutdown.To
"Utefan60" again, what power did they have to shut down the government?
They had proposed legislation that would have kept the government open and
allowed for debate on the ACA funding. It was the Senate leadership and Obama
that refused to even work that compromise. Also, even with a dozen other
senators working with them, they still don't have sufficient power to shut
down the government. That would have taken at least 51 senators.To
"SMIT" so are you calling this shutdown a problem that Pelosi has
BYUalum - South Jordan, UTJan. 19, 2019 11:56 a.m.Senator Lee, In my
humble opinion, this is not about border security. It is all about Dems denying
the President what he promised when he was elected.===But,
alum, aren't you ignoring one small, but important, detail.He
promised -- yes, promised -- that American taxpayers would not foot the bill.Now will you tell us who he said would pay for the wall?Do
you recall that?Someplace called Mexico.Right?And the claim that his "greatest ever" trade agreements will be a way
to do that?Bogus.Those trade agreements are only raising
costs of goods, so in the end, guess who will pay?You. Me. Us.But that's okay, eh?I always thought that a degree from
BYU was supposed to mean something more than a degree from trump university.Guess I was wrong.
Oh redshirt, frequently wrong, but never in doubt. Mike Lee didn't shut
down the government all by himself, but he and Ted Cruz were the ring leaders
that convinced a dozen or so other senators to do it - against the wishes of
their party leadership by the way. I suppose he could put these
considerable talents into convincing some of his colleagues to get McConnell to
bring the CR to the floor. Good for Ms. Pelosi, Trump reneged on
that deal twice already. Maybe more, how can you keep track. Don't
negotiate with people who's word you know is no good and don't
negotiate with hostage takers.
RedShirt - USS Enterprise, UT, you can tell us all you want that Lee and Cruz
were not responsible for the closure of our government. But they were
responsible! Their attempt to strip health care away from millions of needy
individuals was the sole reason that they shut down our government and cost this
country an estimated 23 Billion. Trump is responsible for this shutdown. He
claims it. Owns it and yet his supporter say that it isn't true? Facts do
matter.That just didnt sit well as millions of Americans had
benefited by using the Affordable care Act. So Lee and Cruz were the villains,
and everyone watched as their tantrum crumbled. Americans had enough. History has put the blame right on Lee and Cruz, and no amount of deflection
or falsification of facts changes that. Even Fox News listed Lee and Cruz as
the perpetrators of that shutdown.Facts are still facts. Lee is a
hypocrite in this article. Time to vote him out.
@Redshirt"I think you have history wrong. Ted Cruz and Mike Lee
don't have enough power to shut down the government, nor did they. That was
the Democrat leader of the Senate that shut it down for refusing to pass a
funding bill that would have covered everything except the ACA."So you believe the current shutdown is Republican caused because McConnell is
refusing to hold a vote on a bill that funds everything except a wall? And either way, back in that Cruz/Lee shutdown, the group refusing a
continuing resolution was the GOP because they were demanding that a change in
the budget, one that defunds the ACA that was already established law. In the current shutdown the group refusing a continuing resolution is the GOP
because they are demanding a new thing, a wall. If we imagine a
different scenario now where the refusal to pass a CR was because Democrats were
demanding defunding of ICE (similar to the Cruz/Lee shutdown years ago)
it'd be a Democratic shutdown.
@RedShirtIt is unsurprising that Trump's defenders (such as
yourself) would forget Trump's words, but the rest of us didn't:“I am proud to shut down the government for border security,
I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down.
I’m not going to blame you for it.”Of course Trump
started blaming the Democrats moments after making that statement, but that is
unsurprising considering he lacks any semblance of ethics or morals. What is
more surprising is the cadre of people (like Senator Lee) who actually claim to
have morals and ethics that jump to his defense at every possible opportunity.
Senator Lee, In my humble opinion, this is not about border security. It is all
about Dems denying the President what he promised when he was elected.I support the President of the United States.
The constitution clearly states that a limited government is still responsible
for protecting our country.
Democrats in the House could send a bill approving the funding of the wall as
requested by Trump. This would end the shut down. Why won't they fund the
"Ummm. That's right- he's the President. Not King, not Dictator,
not Supreme Leader. The President, through our Constitution, has checks and
balances, designed exactly for a guy like Trump. Trump doesn't work for the
betterment of our country. He only works to better himself."Excellent point.
To "Impartial7 " I think you have history wrong. Ted Cruz and Mike Lee
don't have enough power to shut down the government, nor did they. That was
the Democrat leader of the Senate that shut it down for refusing to pass a
funding bill that would have covered everything except the ACA.To
"Strachan" but Mike Lee is powerless until the bill comes to the Senate
floor for a vote.To "Thomas Thompson" but the Democrats did
cause this. This is Pelosi's shutdown for refusing to even discuss a
Glad to read posters see the Senators editorial for what it is. A partisan,
hypocritical piece that tries to explain why he either has no influence in the
Senate or is complicit in its partisan incompetence.
"If the Democrats want to filibuster a bill that funds more immigration
judges, funds more medical personnel, funds more beds for migrants ..."
Senator Lee, these are democratic proposals.The wall, to be
"paid for by Mexico," was the Trump campaign rallying cry - that is the
one and only irreducible element of Trump's demand to re-open
government.If Republicans continue their propaganda campaign for the
wall, claiming that Democrats oppose border security, I believe that they have
more than met their match in Pelosi.
Build the wall and then open up the non essential jobs. Non essential means just
Senator Lee is totally correct on this. Both in stating the problem, and
proposing a viable, Constitutional solution, and that passing another continuing
resolution to "end the shutdown" won't fix the problem.The problem started by Congress failing to pass funding bills on time. While
the Republicans had the majority in both House and Senate, arcane Senate rules
require 60 votes for a bill to be considered and all the Democrats refused to
allow the original bill passed by the House to be brought up for a vote. Now,
McConnell refuses to waste time considering the Democrat House passed bill which
the Pres will veto.The solution must be a bill the House can live
with, get 60 votes in the Senate and the Pres will sign. That is the beauty of
our system of government. The failure of the 536 people involved to
take their job seriously and actually discuss options to reach agreement for
passage is disgraceful to those refusing to play the game. Right now that is
the Democrats who will not even meet with Trump, and prior to now it has been
Schumer who refused to let the Senate vote on a bill which passed the House and
Trump would have signed.Show up and talk!
Mike Lee is not being truthful. First he cast no blame on McConnell. McConnell
is protecting the president.Second Democrats passed legislation in
2013 about immigration and guess what the majority republican house would not
even consider it.Third, like others have mentioned congress
doesn’t need the president. They can simply override his veto. Finally, I ask senator lee to pressure McConnell to allow a vote on the house
bill. Let’s get on record which senator will not vote to open the
government. My bet is it would pass and therefore cast trump in negative light
and that is why McConnell is protecting trump. Trump, McConnell and
many in the gop are to blame.
Be nice if the Democrats showed up to negotiate. Counties have
borders that need to be defended . Now is the time to defend our southern
border.... Fund the Wall.
@Betcha;" We have to realize, HE IS THE PRESIDENT.... people have to
work together for this country, not for themselves. "Ummm.
That's right- he's the President. Not King, not Dictator, not Supreme
Leader. The President, through our Constitution, has checks and balances,
designed exactly for a guy like Trump. Trump doesn't work for the
betterment of our country. He only works to better himself.
What a joke. The GOP controlled all 3 branches of Gov't for 2 years and did
nothing except manufacture crises. The wall will do nothing to address the
two-thirds that overstay visas through ports of entry (driving and airports).
Maginot Line anyone? And the real crisis is what the Trumpies have
done to refugees and asylum seekrers - taking thousands of children from their
parents and shipping them who-knows-where across the country. Stop this now.
Fund a better infrastructure for dealing with those already in our country and
seeking legal status. Put the gov't back to work. This GOP-made
crisis has cost more than the useless wall Trump is promoting.
On second and third thoughts, I'm afraid I need to apologize for my earlier
comment.I didn't read the piece carefully enough.I
agree with Lee's sentiment, but not with the details of his op ed. I'm afraid I wasn't fully awake and hadn't had breakfast
yet and allowed myself to be suckered in by some propaganda. Please, everyone, accept my apology. I'll try to do better next time.
Hypocrisy, thy name is Lee!How about doing your job all these years
and avoid a shutdown!How about REALLY understanding and believing in
the Constitution, instead of faking like you're a "constitutional
scholar"!What a joke!
My only question is, Where is Mike Lee the real Mike Lee and why did you change
places with him? This is not the same Mike Lee that personally
responsible for shutting down the government. The same Mike Lee that has
demonized anyone that found positive things about the federal government. This
is not the same Mike Lee that has given 100% support to our current president
(one who if I listed his honest, self-admitted character the DN would deny my
comment) no matter what he does or says. Where is the real Mike
Lee? Just curious, you can actually keep him and leave the impostor with us.
People are hurting now Senator. If we had passed a 4 week CR that was about to
expire without a solution figured out for immigration then that's 4 fewer
weeks people would've had to deal with the problems they are facing from
the shutdown.And if Trump gets wall funding from this, this just
incentivizes him or other presidents to think that this is a viable strategy and
there'd be more of these shutdowns.
The gist of Sen. Lee's op-ed piece is that the Democrats caused the
shutdown and, worse, now, that it is the Democrats who are impeding any end to
this fiasco. How could even so partisan a man as Lee make this contention? It
flies in the face of the facts, which are: (1) President Trump, against the
wishes of Congress and against the advice of his own cabinet, proudly ordered
the shutdown; (2) President Trump, all on his own, refuses to make this right.
The Democrats, who are not in charge of the Executive Branch or the Judicial
Branch or the Senate of the United States, had nothing to do with it.
For the first time, since the Revolutionary War, America has failed to pay the
wages of a branch of the Armed Forces - US Coast Guard. Like the other services,
they are enlisted/commissioned and can't "vote with their feet"
when the incompetent Administration and Congress fail to do their jobs. Like the
other Services, they deploy with the Department of Defense, but also serve
day-to-day law enforcement, and provide border security over vastly more
territory than any other Homeland Security agency.I refuse to listen to
the excuses of the Administration and Congress for their blatant political games
at the expense of a branch of the US Armed Forces. The political games being
played are EXCUSES not to negotiate.I don't care what party you
are from, but BOTH parties share blame in this ongoing idiocy, and undue stress
placed on the coastie's lives. It is complete lunacy.There is
an obvious lack of "leadership," in Washington, and the politicians are
demonstrating what they really value; disfunctional politics over Service
Member's lives.Even 3rd-World Nations understand, PAY THE GUYS
WITH GUNS FIRST!
Wouldn't it be great, if they stoped the pay for all the Democrats in
congress, that won't work with the President.. We have to realize, HE IS
THE PRESIDENT.... people have to work together for this country, not for
themselves. Clinton, and Obama wanted to protect the boarder with a wall or
something that would keep illegals out.... Why are the Democrats now, having
such a hard time with this? This has been a BIG problem in our country, we
need to do something... I did not vote for Trump, but I agree that we need
something to protect our country, , so far nothing has worked, Lets try a
wall, and see if that will do the job..... come on people...lets work
Why didn't Republicans provide wall funding sometime 2016 to 2018, if
it's a great idea? What did Republicans do about immigration the past 2
years? The timing of this "crisis" is suspect - just as
Democrats take the House so they can be blamed. How about we
legalize marijuana similarly to alcohol and tax it? We'd have much better
control, actually.How about fining the employers of illegals an amount
that exceeds the benefit of hiring them?Those are both money makers.
If the wall is built, it needs maintenance and staff - a money pit forever. This also seems like a really hypocritical op ed from Senator Lee and I
hope HAFB gets that
"If the Democrats want to filibuster a bill that funds more immigration
judges, funds more medical personnel, funds more beds for migrants and yes, adds
to our existing 650 miles of border wall, let’s get them on record as
doing so."Nice try Senator Lee, but your posturing of Judges,
medical personnel, and beds for migrants as being opposed by Democrats is
absolutely false. That's exactly what Democrats have been crying for.
What they oppose is funding for an ineffective over priced 300 mile stretch of
wall. If you were to open the government tomorrow with a three week
extension for DHS and then proposed boarder security funding for judges, medical
personnel, and beds for immigrants plus dollars for existing fencing repair, you
wouldn't be kicking the can down the road. You would get it passed in a
week...so just do it. Do your job.
Agreed that the Senate needs to lead out. But compromise will likely be
necessary and that means less than what the president wants for the wall. But,
would the Republicans in the Senate put forward a package that includes the
Dream Act and then fully fund the wall? That might make it palatable for both
sides. But we need to act.
I disagree with Senator Lee's assertion that Congress is failing the
American people. On 3JAN2019, the US House of Representatives passed and sent
to the US Senate 1 bill to fund TSA and another to fund all of remaining
departments. Senator McConnell refused to allow the Senate to vote on those
bills. It clearly is not "Congress". It is clearly the US Senate.
Ummmm Mikey, you and your buddy Mitch from Kentucky, could end this shutdown
today if you wanted. You don’t need Donald’s approval for anything.
Even he doesn’t really want the wall but is afraid of being criticized on
Fox News. You are a coequal branch. With 2/3rds vote you can reopen the
government today. Besides, we the people don’t want the wall. The midterms
were a great indication of that. Or did you forget that elections have
consequences?If mike lacks the courage to reopen the government
without Donald’s approval, then it’s well past time to replace Mike.
Remember this in 2020!
Oh My Goodness!!I actually agree with Mike Lee!He
actually said something that makes good sense!Yes, Mitch McConnell,
bring this all to the floor of the Senate so Americans can see how many of your
GOP colleagues actually agree with trump --- and how many don't.There is only ONE reason he has not already done that.He knows
that at least 14 GOP senators have stated they don't fully agree with trump
and that if all those sensible senators vote that way, the GOP would be badly
embarrassed. This shutdown and all its surrounding nonsense belong
mainly to two people trump and Mitch.
Senator Lee speaks as if he is powerless in this situation. He and other
Republicans in the Senate could debate the bills passed in the House and send
them to the President. If our senior Senator lacks the persuasive
ability to convince the Senate to act, perhaps we need a new Senator.
Being a lackey for Trump and owner of the first shutdown, I find this piece
disingenuous at best.
Mike Lee? Our same Mike Lee that originally shutdown the government with Ted
Cruz? How about Lee stop writing letters and gather up some guts and go tell
Senate leader, Mitch McConnell to take a Senate vote to open the government?
That would actually move the needle. But, that would require the GOP to place
Country over Party.
They need to build the stuI’mpid wall, close the border, and deport all
immigrants so people can see that immigrants are not the cause of their problems