'Impeach Donald Trump': 5 takeaways from The Atlantic's new cover story

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  • brobobeo Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 22, 2019 10:10 a.m.

    President Trump should be congratulated for the positive changes he has made in his short tenure as president -- a record that is hard to argue with if one is willing to look past the media's onslaught from the day he one the election.

    The Atlantic, in my opinion, is encouraging the overthrow -- not so much of the president -- but of the will of the people that elected him. The media and the political elite in this country worried that he would not accept the outcome of the election if he lost. Now they are working 24/7/365 to overthrow his election after his win. It would be funny if it weren't so serious to the future of elections in this country. I say get over it; stop your whining; let President Trump govern.

  • Sportsfan123 Herriman, UT
    Jan. 19, 2019 9:56 p.m.

    Mad hatter

    Trying to become a politician and actually being one are two different things, trump tried with an exploratory committee but failed and again like you said in 2012. Did he become a politician, has he had training in public speaking as a politician, has he had training as a public orator? Obviously he hasnt, that was my point - just because someone exercises political activism does not make him a politician, he would have to be elected.

    If someone asked you if trump was a politician 5 years ago you would answer no, why? Because he had never been one at that time.

  • James E Tooele, UT
    Jan. 19, 2019 8:05 p.m.

    All 5 reasons boil down to: we don't like him, let's get him!

    Nowhere in there was a serious examination of truthful accusations. So many charges have proven to be straight-up false. Like this most recent one by Cohen who said Trump suborned perjury. Even Mueller said that was inaccurate (re: fake news). If you ever think an anti-Trump bombshell has landed, wait 2 days and watch for a tiny retraction.

    Are none of the Libs self-aware enough to see how dangerous it is to use the entire might of the federal gov't to reject the will of the American electorate? Or do the ends justify the means?

    Using the FBI, NSA and the entrenched bureaucracy, in collusion with the mainstream media, pop culture, the educational/industrial complex, and even foreign actors (lest we forget the Russian Dossier was generated by an ex-MI-6 agent), to bring down a US president, for doing nothing more that what he promised in the campaign, is so dangerous it takes my breath away.

    "O, that way madness lies; let me shun that; No more of that."

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Jan. 18, 2019 7:33 p.m.

    Sportsfan123 - Herriman, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 1:46 p.m.

    ".....instilling immorality and social degradation as the norm and encouraging secularism."

    Right you are! Just look at the posts here by people hoping someone invents fake evidence against the President.

  • Joe Leaphorn Scottsdale, AZ
    Jan. 18, 2019 7:06 p.m.

    A big IF:

    If the results of the Mueller investigation show conspiracy to defraud, the SDNY shows criminal activity of the part of Donald Trump, his family and the Trump Organization, and the House investigations show "high crimes and misdemeanors" that the majority of Republicans in the House and Senate can agree on . . .

    . . . would this justify impeachment and a Senate trial?

    For 25% of the electorate, probably not.

    It appears that many Trump defenders in this thread will neither countenance nor agree that impeachment can be a reality. It's like the mother whose son has committed a serious crime and still insists "he's a good boy" and would do such a thing.

    Democrats have to consider and be ready that impeachment may be an ephemeral thought that will not go anywhere. Republicans also have to consider that impeachment and conviction may become a reality. And Trump's ardent supporters may have to contend that their Dear Leader really has no clothes.

    It's too early to say, but evidence is growing. And all the while Vladimir Putin is enjoying the chaos he has created in this country and the distraction it has become for his own nation's adventures.

  • Mackenzie Iwamoto Bronx, NY
    Jan. 18, 2019 6:56 p.m.

    worf - McAllen, TX
    Jan. 18, 2019 5:20 p.m.

    "Careful what you wish for!"

    Impeachment doesn't work if the Senate won't issue a conviction. Too often impeachment today has become a partisan political to sideshow due to lack of favorability by one side or the other. Consider all the calls for impeachment of Barack Obama? It was all tribal noise engendered to lather up the base.

    And with Mike Pence waiting in the hallway, it's not necessarily a better to trade one unfit individual for another toady sycophant. Better to have the various investigations play out and we learn the extent of any criminal activity if it has occurred. Although many Trump supporters will not believe anything that criticizes their Dear Leader regardless of the evidence, it is better to have it all out there so people don't do this ever again.

    Fortunately in 1932 when America was tottering on the edge and it was ripe for a demagogue to rise out of the putrid depths, Franklin Roosevelt was elected and we avoided what could have been a major disaster.

    It wasn't until 36 years later that the first mistake was made with the election of Richard Nixon, again during a time of national stress and chaos.

  • Mad Hatter Santa Fe, NM
    Jan. 18, 2019 6:42 p.m.

    worf - McAllen, TX
    Jan. 18, 2019 5:20 p.m.

    "Impeach Trump?
    "Careful what you wish for!"

    Mike Pence is waiting in the wings.

    Sportsfan123 - Herriman, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 1:46 p.m.

    " . . . Trump is not a trained orator or politician . . . "

    How do you define "politician"? Sarah Palin claimed not to be the "typical politician" although she had been governor of Alaska and city council member before that. And what kind of training are you talking about? Many congresspeople have no legislative experience before running for office, and how many have training in public speaking? All you need to do is listen to them and it's quite obvious.

    My understanding is that as soon as a person runs for political office, they become a "politician". Donald Trump initially began his political career in 1999 when he filed an exploratory committee to seek the nomination of the Reform Party for the 2000 presidential election. He tried again with the Republican Party in 2012. That sounds a lot like he had decided to become a politician.

    This does not even include his political activism through his financial contributions and public advertisements advocating specific political issues.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Jan. 18, 2019 5:20 p.m.

    Impeach Trump?

    Careful what you wish for!

  • play by the rules South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 5:19 p.m.

    I love our President. DJT actually cares about Americans suffering from the years of Democrat and RINO leadership or lack thereof.

  • carrin , 00
    Jan. 18, 2019 4:47 p.m.

    America could be proud again if we had a President who put some effort into being a President, and didn't put his kids in as his "Senior Advisers."

  • Mind Baggage Bentonville, AR
    Jan. 18, 2019 4:28 p.m.

    It sounds like what the Atlantic really wants to do is impeach the half of the country who voted for Trump in the first place.

    Remedy for the media: Take a deep breath, recognize your own hypocrisy, ask the country for forgiveness, and attempt to honestly report the news.

    EVERY time Trump has shouted "fake news" at the media, he has been vindicated. Please recognize that you, the media, are part of the problem. Perhaps impeach yourselves?

  • Kouger Lehi, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 3:06 p.m.

    Yes, please do it. With the new revelation and bombshell on what he's alleged to have told Cohen to lie before Congress, Trump should definitively be impeached. It will certainly "make America great again."

  • opinion 47 SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 2:50 p.m.

    Impeach Trump and Ignore Hillary who purposefully and professionally bleached her servers to cover up illegal use of campaign donations, Uranium deal with Russians, obstruction of justice, taking bribes (Clinton Foundation) , threatening her husband's mistresses, Chinagate, Travelgate scandal, Whitewater, Filegate need I go on?

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    Jan. 18, 2019 2:36 p.m.

    I'd be thrilled to see impeachment prosecuted if the DOJ will also investigate and prosecute HRH Hillary, the FBI leadership, and others (like Bruce Ohr) for their misconduct with the same vigor that has fueled the Trump investigation.

    Too bad there is no remedy for the media's misdeeds.

    I think "Equal Justice Under the Law" and has gone to the same grave as objectivity in these matters.

  • Tommy_Boy Independence, MO
    Jan. 18, 2019 2:35 p.m.

    As a Church-owned and operated news outlet, is Deseret News required to at least TRY to be politically neutral or fair? If Deseret News had absolutely zero affiliation with The Church, politically charge pieces and opinions like this are easily reconciled as "well it's just another liberal news outlet". And yes, even though this article is about 5 take aways from the Atlantic article, it's still a thinly veiled opinion piece in support of impeaching President Trump.

    Isn't it just a matter of time before The Church's tax-exempt status is scrutinized, even more than it usually is, for being in the political arena too much? Whether it's from the pulpit or The Paper, is it not the same?

  • Janet Pete Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 2:11 p.m.

    BYUalum - South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 4:52 p.m.

    "I wholeheartedly support President Trump and all that he has done for our great country!"

    Well, you are an obvious Donald Trump supporter, but you don't give us any reasons to justify your position other than you stand with his tribe. Perhaps you can give some insight into the relationship between Trump and Vladimir Putin, what gets discussed in their secret meetings, and you attitude toward other demagogues and dictators around the world.

    Then provide your views of democracy and how Trump adheres to "preserve and protect the Constitution of the United States"? Also, tell us if you support all Trump administration policies from building his wall to taking children from their parents. I would bet you thought Barack Obama was a Muslim and illegal, undocumented immigrant born in Kenya? Maybe you are amused with Trump's mis-statements, lies, untruths, xenophobia, misogyny, callousness, lack of empathy, vindictiveness, and other behaviors that disgust most people.

    If you chose to make such enthusiastic statements in support of Trump, then take accountability of how he is and what he does. Maybe you just like his hair?

  • Mackenzie Iwamoto Bronx, NY
    Jan. 18, 2019 2:09 p.m.

    NeifyT - Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 5:14 p.m.

    "Trump deserves to be impeached . . . is absolutely false."

    There's a lot of anger from people that want Donald Trump impeached, but they don't yet have enough evidence to successfully gain a conviction in the Senate. To impeach just for the sake of embarrassing Trump would be fruitless. However, if the Mueller investigation and the work by the Southern District of New York provide evidence sufficient to convince Republican senators of guilt, then impeachment proceedings will be necessary.

    Unless you know what these two investigative bodies have learned and if the House committees provide additional evidence, then we can discuss whether Trump deserves to be impeached. My personal preference is full exposure of all criminal activity and possible traitorous involvement with the Russians. I believe calls for impeachment at this time are premature, but the more we learn of his actions with the Russians suggests we have a man in this nation's highest office who is a threat to the United States.

    So I choose to wait and see all the evidence that is accumulated before judgment on impeachment. As a sleaze, I've already decided.

  • Joe Leaphorn Scottsdale, AZ
    Jan. 18, 2019 2:04 p.m.

    Bob Tanner - Price, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 11:28 a.m.

    "President Trump is not a politician . . . Supporting the President just might make things work better than imagined."

    What do you call a person who engages in political activity? Come on now, give it a shot. It's not a difficult question.

    How can a person support someone with whom one is completely opposed regarding policy? You don't support someone you don't agree with. Did you support Bill Clinton's policies, for example? Or did you support Newt Gingrich?

    And last, why should anyone disgusted with Donald Trump's behavior and antics rally to his side and accept him like they would anyone else? The man is covered with bad karma and you recommend "forgive and forget"? Maybe eventually "forgive" in the Christian sense of the word, but "forget"? Is he a role model for you sons and the type of man you want your daughters to admire? Probably not.

    It is better to give up one's objectives temporarily for the greater good and have a better person in a leadership role. Perhaps you can re-examine what you are asking and think about the ramifications. Why don't you support the next Democratic president and follow your own advice?

  • Yar Springville, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 2:02 p.m.

    Interesting article I must say. Although personally, I'd wait until Mueller finishes his work and reveals something concerning first before proceeding. And as for the argument that failed impeachment will not back fire, I think you'll be surprised. Trump may not be very popular, but I think the public can get an impression of passionate bias against the president if the Democrats aren’t careful when using the process. Remember. Everyone said Trump wouldn’t win the 2016 election. Do not think Trump winning 2020 is out of reach (even if it is unlikely). Bottom line. Be smart when using this process.

  • Sportsfan123 Herriman, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 1:46 p.m.


    "He spent the 25 years running for president".

    Where does this none sense come from?

    Just because the media and the public and Trump himself claiming he might run for office one day, as he might have said 30 years ago does not mean he ran for office of the president of the united states for the last 25 years.

    No, Trump is not a trained orator or politician he has infact been learning on the fly, hence his poor choice of words and antic's.

    He is the quintessential non politician with no ties to the globalist elite that run the U.N. like the last four administrations, he is the last chance for the united states to remain as a sovereign nation.

    It is obvious with the last four president's that have made horrible trade deals with the purpose to weaken and to destroy the middle class job market of this country and promote open borders like europe and instilling immorality and social degradation as the norm and encouraging secularism.

    These are the sign's of a marxist fascist govt trying to degrade our founding principals of our constitution on the way to their ultimate goal of a new world.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Jan. 18, 2019 1:46 p.m.

    @Brave Sir Robin

    Yes, I for one (I am quite sure there are MANY others) think that he IS smarter than you.

    You make all kind of wild claims about President Trump but give no specifics. Based on your claims and rationale, many former and current members of Congress could be impeached and/or go to jail.

    A certain former Secretary of State comes readily to mind.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 1:33 p.m.

    I've got a new saying: Anyone can impeach a ham sandwich.

    De Toqueville wrote extensively about impeachment as a permanent political punishment that would demonstrate effective checks and balances but not involve the criminal courts.

    What we have with the Trump case is mere spite.

    Hypothetically, if a senator were involved in a hit-and-run accident and left behind a woman who died, one could impeach that person.

    Or, say a member of congress sent nude photos to a teenager. Or make homosexual advances toward an aide.

    We've been rather sloppy about turpitude in the past. I guess that's what makes the Trump case so ridiculous. Camelot was filled with nude swim parties and infidelity. That's why "witch hunt" is an apt term for this nonsense.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 12:59 p.m.

    "He only obstructed justice a few times" Please name one time. Oh that's right there is no time.

    " and he only paid off 2 adult film actresses in violation of federal election law." No. Ask Alan Dershowitz, a democrat, not a federal election law issue. Saying it is like CNN does not make it so. Please don't speculate on unfounded gossip.

  • jeclar2006 Oceanside, CA
    Jan. 18, 2019 12:44 p.m.

    Rick for Truth - Provo, UT
    Impeachment is nothing more that a charge. They will have to obtain 67 votes in the Senate. Unless they have “real” proof of real crimes, they are spitting into the wind. But. Truth and honesty is not a high card of the politicians arrayed against President Trump.

    Campaign finance crimes are real crimes. But apparently to some, they are not real crimes, except of course when the target is say Hillary Clinton, and the perennial call to "Lock her up!".

    Or perhaps those crimes which noone is killed, are less of a crime, or perhaps totally ignorable crimes, sort of like parking ticket's worth of crime.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 11:54 a.m.

    @Bob Tanner "President Trump is not a politician. "

    An absurd statement! He spent the last 25 years running for president. He's a politician for sure. Anyone who runs for office is a politician. Some might say Jimmy Carter is not a politician, he's a peanut farmer. Carter is for sure a politician like Trump, but Carter has moral character whereas Trump does not.

  • kevinhey Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 11:49 a.m.

    It is interesting to note the primary premise of the article. The author doesn't really care if Trump is convicted or not, he just wants the impeachment proceedings to happen to ensure he can be made as ineffective as possible and to diminish his voice. What these people never realize is the nutty things they do always come back around, just as using the 'nuclear option' in senate voting practices allowed the senate to override democrats objections in the last SCOTUS confirmation. It is this childish short-term thinking that is causing all sorts of problems. So now we will start an investigation of whatever we kind find the moment a new president is elected, then start impeachment proceedings on whatever just to nullify presidential effectiveness? This will become the new norm? This will attract effective leaders to WANT to take this absurd job? We wonder why all we get are political hacks and extremists standing in line for this treatment? This is exactly the scenario needed for those who are trying to destroy America. Couldn't happen any other way.

  • Bob Tanner Price, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 11:28 a.m.

    President Trump is not a politician. This is something that Washington leftist Clintonistic cronies are unable to deal with. Because of their total and absolute lack of any, ever so slight inkling to support even one thing Trump has done for the nation we find ourselves a nation defined as "bogged down in gridlock" with no end in sight. Supporting the President just might make things work better than imagined. The leftists should give it a try.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Jan. 18, 2019 11:16 a.m.

    @I'm smarter than you

    "Why would we impeach the best president in over 100 years?"

    Because he's breaking the law.

    You can't impeach a president because you don't like his politics. But you also can't refuse to impeach him because you do like his politics. He's already proven to have committed high crimes and treason, therefore he must be impeached. Yes, even if you like his politics.

    Are you sure you're smarter than me?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 11:16 a.m.

    We need this because Trump has dragged down all of us. We now think it is OK to lie, and lie about really big things. We need to be cleansed of this.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 11:11 a.m.

    BYUAlum: "I wholeheartedly support President Trump and all that he has done for our great country!"

    I agree.

    Donald Trump is awesome.

    He only obstructed justice a few times and he only paid off 2 adult film actresses in violation of federal election law. Obama did the same thing, didn't he?

    What's the big deal, liberals?

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Jan. 18, 2019 10:40 a.m.

    @bachelors of science

    Exactly right. BO had the ability to lead us right in to the "ditch" which he so ably did.

    If I like my proctologist, can I keep my proctologist?


  • J. Smith Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 10:21 a.m.

    It is going to be way worse than even the most cynical among us can imagine, buckle up.....

  • imsmarterthanyou Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 10:17 a.m.

    Why would we impeach the best president in over 100 years? That simply doesn't make any sense to anyone who is a free American. Only those in support of socialism would think that way. Go to china or north korea. Stop trying to destroy America

  • The Trooper South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 10:11 a.m.

    When you boil it down, this guy is suggesting using the impeachment process for purely political reasons. You can't impeach the president because you don't like him or because he says mean things that contribute to your constant state of outrage and willingness to be offended. The president is not guilty of any impeachable offenses. These "Trumped" up impeachment reasons will never make it through the Senate. Just more proof that it is all political posturing by another liberal that allows Trump to live in his head rent free.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Jan. 18, 2019 10:00 a.m.

    @John Mill

    He's already proven to have done 2 of those 3 things. Get on with the impeachment already!

  • bachelors of science Brigham City, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 9:40 a.m.

    Donald Trump is incompetent and doesn't know what he's doing.

    President Obama was educated and had the ability to lead our country.

  • Yuge Opportunity Here Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 9:39 a.m.

    Can there be any doubt where the D News and its owners stand regarding our president when they not only repeat this media gossip but assign a reporter to do an in-depth story about it?

    Shame on you.

  • rdk36532 , 00
    Jan. 18, 2019 9:34 a.m.

    The impeachment sagas are always driven by the media. We should all contemplate by now whether the media deserves it's exalted position as the Fourth Estate or should be, instead, be regarded as a part of the Fifth Column.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 18, 2019 8:58 a.m.

    If Trump is guilty of crimes sufficient for impeachment may still remain to be proven. However, his time in office at the White House has definitely proven that he is too incompetent and too destructive to hold the high office of POTUS.

  • Pagosa Kid SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 8:36 a.m.

    This is nothing more than another liberal hack trying to make a case for impeachment. Reading this made me feel like I was listening to CNN. You can’t impeach because you don’t like the president. Conservatives had to deal with Obama for 8 years.

  • New to Utah Provo, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 8:27 a.m.

    Yoni Applebaum graduated with AB in History from Columbia, a PHD from Brandeis, taught at Harvard. He is so Blue and so entrenched in the liberal idea that Trump stole the election and Mueller will prove it. It is precisely having Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh write an editorial for the impeachment of Barack Obama or if Hillary we’re elected her impeachment. Right now there is no evidence that Trump colluded with Russia. Trump won the election by playing by the rules and defeating Hillary in the electoral college significantly. The popular vote is summed by New York and California which gave all of the popular vote advantage to Clinton. Without them Trump is way ahead in popular vote. The electoral college is how we elect presidents. The constitution is still the law of the land.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Jan. 18, 2019 8:21 a.m.

    @John Mill

    I agree with your comment that this kind of talk is "premature".

    Not only that, it is impertinent and absolutely silly on so many levels.

  • tsobserver Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 8:16 a.m.

    How does paraphrasing and summarizing an opinion article in a left leaning magazine pass for journalism at the Deseret News?

    Since this piece essentially just reprints the Atlantic piece, can we assume this is just a proxy for the editorial opinion of the Deseret News? Why not state the case for yourselves rather than repeating the arguments made in another publication?

    The original author claims there are benefits to the impeachment process but then rightly points to the one and only modern example which ultimately benefited the man being impeached, resulted in a more politically fractured nation, wasted time and taxpayer money and resulted in no conviction or removal from office.

    From that one example, the original author argues that while the outcome would be the same, essentially, there would be political benefits for the partisan enemies of the president. Yet these are the same arguments the Republicans foolishly fell for in impeaching Clinton.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Jan. 18, 2019 8:15 a.m.

    How about "impeaching" Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Adam Schiff and a few other avowed "obstructionists"?

    Seems only fair.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 8:13 a.m.

    I get it. The jist of the article is, I don't like Trump, let's impeach him. A real good reason to impeach, yep.

    Impeaching a sitting president would be bad for the country. Luckily, Nixon resigned before that happened sparing us from a prolonged circus.

    Clinton got impeached, even though I supported it, I'm still not sure it was the right thing to do.

    Trump is up for re-election in a little less than two years. That's when the decision should be made to dump him or not. Not a prolonged Congressional circus that will damage the country.

  • Sore loser Oakland, CA
    Jan. 18, 2019 7:12 a.m.

    The problem with Trump is that he appointed two strict constructionists to the Supreme Court and very well could appoint another in the next six years. Should the next Justice be someone like Amy Coney Barrett, the left wings’ hair is going to spontaneously combust.

    Just like the Mueller investigation is basically a SWATting of the presidency, the philosophical argument to impeach Trump as a governmental systems check is like throwing the kids in the water to check for sharks

  • OldMain Saratoga Springs, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 7:12 a.m.

    Remember during one of the debates in 2016 when Trump said he might not necessarily accept the results of the election and Hillary Clinton called that "Horrifying?"

    For two years the Democrats have not accepted the results of the election.

  • Zabilde Riverdale, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 6:46 a.m.

    @A W The only problem with your claims is:

    Trump has divested himself of control of his business empire. That is all we ask of any politician. We don't require them to sell off all their business assets and put the proceeds in a locked vault where it can't generate any interest as profit.

    Tax cut, yes he benefits as does every other tax payer. There were no cuts specific to his empire only. He can benefit from the cuts just like all the rest of us poor and rich alike.

    None of those claims are valid.

    But go ahead Impeach him. And when the Senate votes and gets a few Repubs to cross the line but gets only 66 votes to remove. He's Acquitted. The vote wouldn't even be that close. But it takes 67 guilty votes in the Senate to remove a sitting President. Get even one vote less and he's acquitted and can not be impeached for those charges again.

    Go Ahead Impeach him, the Right and the honest swing voters will see it for the partisan attack that it would be and that would guarantee re-election in 2020.

    But you can't impeach because you dislike him. It requires irrefutable proof of actual criminal acts. Which proof does not exist.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Jan. 18, 2019 6:00 a.m.

    You have provided evidence of corruption (although somewhat flimsy) rather than evidence of a “high crime and misdemeanor.”

    First, similar (although flimsy) evidence was abundantly provided by right-leaning media against Barack Obama. The case against Obama had no more nor less validity than the case against Trump.

    Secondly, the Founders specifically rejected “corruption” alone as a basis for impeachment. So, members of Congress would have violate their oath of office while claiming to prosecute Trump for violating his oath of office.

    For more detail, see Alan Dershowitz’s brilliant rebuttal to the Atlantic piece.

    The Atlantic piece is essentially calling for the right of Congress to impeach anyone the majority of them don’t like. That’s a parliamentary system, not a Constitutional system.

    Cooler Democratic minds will not take the bait offered here because they rightly fear the people.

  • Thomas Thompson Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 5:52 a.m.

    NeifyT - Salt Lake City, UT, above, suggests that it is "[h]ard to get through this article when [the allegation that] Trump deserves to be impeached because he has violated the presidential oath of office is absolutely false."

    But it's not; it's absolutely true. We might well all agree that there is precedent for shutting down the government when a president feels that is necessary on the basis of some identifiable national emergency, but just to do it for the reason that the Congress is not giving him what he wants is beyond deplorable. Indeed, it is dangerous to the functioning of our democratic republic. The Constitution of the United States requires that the President "take care that the laws be faithfully executed." Those laws do not enforce themselves -- they are enforced by numerous federal agencies on a day-to-day basis, and when those agencies are prevented from functioning by order of the President, it can no longer be said that our federal laws are being "faithfully executed" by anyone at all.

    So, yes. It's time to roll out that impeachment carpet. Unfortunately, it may already be too late for that.

  • Biscuit , 00
    Jan. 18, 2019 5:32 a.m.

    Impeach, that's all we've heard for over 2 years. We lived with Obama for 8 years. Dems just deal with it.

  • Strachan Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 4:31 a.m.

    I have thus far opposed impeachment. But if it proves true that President Trump directed Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about the Moscow Tower, that may change things. Suborning perjury is a felony, and would satisfy the requirement oh high crimes and misdemeanors.

  • Joe Leaphorn Scottsdale, AZ
    Jan. 18, 2019 1:42 a.m.

    toosmartforyou - Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 8:16 p.m.

    " . . . only President that likely would have been convicted when impeached was Richard Nixon and he quit rather . . . "

    Richard Nixon was not impeached, although there was a move to impeach him. Barry Goldwater and the Republican leadership went to Nixon and told him that his time was short and he would be impeached and convicted if he stayed in office. The man resigned rather than go through a trial that would not work to his favor.

    It is interesting to note that 24% of voters continued to support Nixon after he resigned and probably would have supported him if he had been convicted. Some people stay loyal regardless. Even Joseph McCarthy retained support by true believers after he was censured by the Senate. So there are always some who stay with whoever gets disgraced.

    In the case of Donald Trump, his hardcore following is estimated at about 25% (similar to Nixon), but there is not yet the case to be made against Trump as it was for Nixon. However, as we wait for the Mueller investigation to wrap up, the SDNY investigation to finish, we may see Republicans in Congress move to remove Trump from office.

  • Mad Hatter Santa Fe, NM
    Jan. 18, 2019 1:28 a.m.

    David - Centerville, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 4:39 p.m.

    "Having said that, I do not trust Democrats to oversee impeachment proceedings for Trump."

    David, you need to understand the process. The House (Democratic majority) would draw up articles of impeachment (an indictment for "high crimes and misdemeanors" under the Constitution) which would just be a formality. The Senate, on the other hand, is the body where the accused is tried, articles of impeachment considered, and a judgment rendered. Take note that the impeachment trial takes place in the Senate, so your concern about "trust" is unwarranted.

    It would be foolish, partisan politics to impeach and not convict as it would be a futile effort as in the case of Bill Clinton. And since Republicans control the Senate, the evidence would have to be substantial. This is serious stuff. You should hope that the Senate would deliberate in its responsibilities with honest and fair thought and not be a partisan body afraid of offending the Trump base. If the evidence is there for impeachment with bipartisan support in the House and Senate, than you should have no objection unless your are a loyal Trumpie.

    Bipartisan is the key word here.

  • Jim Chee Lahaina, HI
    Jan. 18, 2019 1:22 a.m.

    JohnMill - Australia, 00
    Jan. 17, 2019 9:53 p.m.

    " . . . can't just impeach a President because you don't like them.
    They need to be found guilty by both the House and Senate. . . "

    A few pertinent facts from the U.S. Constitution. The House impeaches ("indicts") and the Senate tries and convicts if the facts from the impeachment support the conviction. Impeachment charges must be drafted in the House of Representatives and usually only requires a majority. The Senate can convict with a minimum of 60 votes.

    No president has ever been convicted, but two have been impeached: Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton. Richard Nixon never was impeached as he learned that he would be convicted by the Senate if impeached and he chose to resign. Unfortunately, impeachment had become a political tool for partisan retribution in the case of Bill Clinton where frustrated Republicans took action where there existed no possibility of conviction in the Senate.

    This is why impeachment and conviction needs to be bipartisan. There needs to be a 60 vote majority in the Senate. Otherwise, it is just an exercise in partisan futility. And as long as there are not enough votes, a president is safe.

  • Rick for Truth Provo, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 12:28 a.m.

    Impeachment is nothing more that a charge. They will have to obtain 67 votes in the Senate. Unless they have “real” proof of real crimes, they are spitting into the wind. But. Truth and honesty is not a high card of the politicians arrayed against President Trump.

  • Juozas Orem, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 11:23 p.m.

    One, ultra wealthy man's, vague point of view. It's quite apparent that he disapproves and dislikes this president and the solution to his problem is too impeach the problem.

  • JohnMill Australia, 00
    Jan. 17, 2019 9:53 p.m.

    I can't just impeach a President because you don't like them.
    They need to be found guilty by both the House and Senate of:
    1. Treason
    2. Bribery, or
    3. High crimes or misdemeanours.
    The process is essentially a trial for one or more of the above charges.
    You don't say that criminal trials are about the process more than the result. You don't start a criminal prosecution when you know you have no chance of securing a conviction.
    Wait for the Mueller report, then you will know whether you have a basis for proceeding. Gauge the feeling in the Senate once the report is released, then you will know whether you have any chance of success.
    All of this talk is premature.

  • one old man MSC, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 9:16 p.m.

    It doesn't matter how it's done. Just DO it !

    trump needs to be out of that office and the sooner, the better.

    Make America Sane (and Safe) Again

  • cool47 Saratoga Springs, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 8:25 p.m.

    Mr Cohen implicated President Trump in a felony related to campaign finance law. There is a tape that seems to prove the President was party to breaking campaign finance law. The facts seem indisputable. Now do we want to give President Trump a pass? It seems we already have since no impeachment hearings are in progress, but it is not unreasonable to ask the question whether or not we should have. The author of the Atlantic article believes the process designed by the founding fathers should be invoked and impeachment hearings begun. Seems reasonable but not something that would be welcomed by either party. So, I say let us wait for Muller and what his indictments and any reports say.

  • toosmartforyou Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 8:16 p.m.

    Well, this is a Johnny-come-lately political spin on events. Many of these same accusations could have been made about Obama, Democrats wanted to get rid of George Bush, and Clinton was impeached, but not convicted. That itself proved to be a big waste of time, money and effort without any benefit. Why was that conveniently not discussed if impeachment in and of itself is so very valuable? The only President that likely would have been convicted when impeached was Richard Nixon and he quit rather than facing that music. This is just rhetoric to keep people's mind in "anti-Trump mode" when the media has been in since he first decided to run. You remember, they said he was not a candidate that could be taken as serious, then he was a clown, then a buffoon, then unqualified, then un-presidential, then out-of-touch, then....(suddenly to their surprise and dismay) winner of the election. They still can't stomach the fact that Hillary lost! Now all their hopes are riding high with Nancy, who can say "No" but can't take "No" for an answer herself from the President. And so it goes.....

  • A W Benjamin, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 7:13 p.m.


    "There is no evidence (although I believe it also to be the case) that Trump is financially gaining from being the president."

    Evidence for this includes:

    1. Trump pushed a tax reform package that overwhelmingly favors the very wealthy, including real estate magnates like himself.
    2. Trump directs government money to his properties whenever he visits them for golf, etc., and his businesses advertise to their clientele the prospect of being able to meet (and, implicitly, influence) the president of the United States.
    3. Trump's properties take profits from foreign governments, GOP officials, and business figures seeking to curry favor with him due to the office he holds. Trump's continued ownership of his businesses means that he is directly profiting from them.
    4. Trump and his family have been granted valuable trademarks from countries like China at an unusual rate and speed since his election.

    "Comey was trying to first keep Trump from ever being elected"

    This is patently untrue, since Comey wouldn't have sent the letter right before the election that Clinton was under investigation if he'd been anti-Trump. Please don't falsify history like that.

  • NeifyT Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 5:14 p.m.

    Hard to get through this article when everything under "2. Trump deserves to be impeached because he has violated the presidential oath of office." is absolutely false.

    There is no evidence (although I believe it also to be the case) that Trump is financially gaining from being the president. Although if that were the standard; every prior President in this nation should have been impeached; we have long since abandoned the Democratic-Republic form of government instituted by the U.S. Constitution; in place we have a clear Plutocracy (the rich ruling for and on behalf of the rich).

    As for the "loyalty" argument, that is again spreading a false narrative. It is clear from the very documents released from the secret court that Comey was trying to first keep Trump from ever being elected; and then to oust Trump; all using completely fictitious information and pushing it through secret courts. Trump had every reason to fire Comey for his civil rights abuses. (Actually Comey should be on trial; but as usual government officials are given a pass as if they are "above the law.")

    Trump has shown no more nor less disrespect for the rule of the law; than every person he has called out.

  • byufootballrocks Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 5:01 p.m.

    Way to go. No refutation of the Atlantic's outrageous arguments here.....should we be surprised?

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 4:52 p.m.

    I wholeheartedly support President Trump and all that he has done for our great country!

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    Jan. 17, 2019 4:41 p.m.

    This guy doesn't know what he is talking about.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 4:39 p.m.

    I did not vote for Trump, and I would prefer to vote for another conservative option in the next presidential election.

    Having said that, I do not trust Democrats to oversee impeachment proceedings for Trump. For Democrats fiction is fact and they twist events to achieve their desired outcome.

    Additionally, some, if not much, of Democrats and the media's complaints about Trump are political, not criminal.

    I expect the Congress and the country to wait for Mueller's report before deciding whether to proceed with impeachment. If there is evidence of high crimes & misdemeaners, or other points worthy of impeachment, then proceed. If there is not evidence, then don't go ahead with impeachment.

    Regardless, I do not trust Democrats to run an impeachment. Look what they tried with Kavanaugh.