Trump grounds Pelosi after she imperils his big speech

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  • TrueBleuCoug Salem, UT
    Jan. 19, 2019 4:23 p.m.

    I love that Trump is a fighter. The GOP has been spineless for far too long.

  • carrin , 00
    Jan. 19, 2019 1:19 a.m.

    Maybe Trump and Pelosi just need to fight their squabbles out in the school yard. Let's get on with governing, please. Their pettiness is shameful.

  • my_two_cents_worth university place, WA
    Jan. 18, 2019 10:45 p.m.

    @Marigold

    “The Hill (and other media sources) reported that during the last presidential cycle 95 per cent of Federal workers contributed to the H. Clinton campaign.”

    Funny thing about facts is they can be misleading when key elements are excluded. For example, while many federal employees are generous with their contributions to the combined federal campaign, we’re pretty cheap when it comes to contributing to political candidates; easier not to than to figure out the ins and outs of the Hatch Act. The various federal employee unions on the other hand are quick to contribute to political candidates and do contribute heavily to democrat candidates. And, oh by the way, federal employees are not required to pay union dues and a significant number, yours truly included, don’t.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 6:52 p.m.

    @marigold

    Trump and McConnell shutdown the government. Spending originates in Congress not with Trump.

    Imagine how bad trump would look if McConnell wasn’t giving Trump cover.

  • Marigold Provo, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 12:57 p.m.

    Folks, do a bit of research. The Hill (and other media sources) reported that during the last presidential cycle 95 per cent of Federal workers contributed to the H. Clinton campaign.

  • NeifyT Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 11:29 a.m.

    @my_two_cents_worth - regarding Marigold's use of quotes.

    Not every time a quote is used is because it is quoting someone. Often it is used to emphasize linguistics. Sometimes you have to use a little logical analysis in thought to determine the use of that punctuation.

    The way I read Marigold's post the term "lawmakers" is being put in quotes to emphasis that Pelosi is a member of the Legislative branch of government. As such; and in respect to my posts regarding the powers of the three branches of government. It should be noted that the military is a part of the Executive branch of government. Therefore it is not necessary for a "lawmaker" or someone in the Legislative branch to be visiting the military overseas. That is not her authority nor part of her job at all.

    Now, she might do her job better if she realizes what is going on over there, that is certainly part of "supporting" (emphasizing her role) other branches of government. So, I have no problem with her making such a trip. But, it is not a necessary trip; and she should NOT be using the military aircraft for such a trip (even if the government was not shut down); because she is not a member of Executive branch.

  • stand up for truth Lehi, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 11:13 a.m.

    Walls and fences have worked for thousands of years. And yes, they still work in our modern sophisticated world. Can people penetrate them? Yes, if really determined. But are they a deterrent? Absolutely. Are they cost effective? Absolutely! I am quite certain that 99% of Congress have fences and walls for their yards and homes. And I dare guess they also have doors with locks on them.

    Why do so many spend their time trying to refute this common sense truth? And why are so many respondents here just regurgitating the political rhetoric of the liberal news suggesting they are not effective? If true, why did so many Democrats build some of the existing border walls?

    Get on with it. Build the wall/fence/("barrier"is the new term). But get on with it. Protect America. Discourage people from risking their lives and their children's to cross the border by setting up solid barriers.

    Then add all the electronics, drones, etc that should come with it (and President Trump has said will come with it.)

    Stop the nonsense. To refute this is just dumb. And anyone who refutes that is a hypocrite if he/she has a fence... or locks their door when away or at night as far as that goes.

  • Rubydo Provo, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 11:18 a.m.

    @ I am LDS 2,
    Democrats have not approved and supported legitimate immigration and secured our borders in intelligent ways. How can you say that the democrats have secured our borders intelligently when they are the ones in favor of protecting criminal illegal aliens in sanctuary cities and want to abolish ICE. The democrats hatred for Trump is so paramount than they don’t have any other concern.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 18, 2019 10:53 a.m.

    Poor Nancy. Can't travel to foreign countries to take care of the citizens she really cares about. She and the Democrats could give a rip about US Citizens, Thats their MO and what's so sad is almost half of the US buys into the scam.

    Go Trump GO..

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 10:36 a.m.

    "Why are democrats so opposed to securing our borders?"

    They're not. That's just more Trump-speak nonsense. As Trump and many other "cons"(-ervatives) have admitted, Democrats have approved and supported immigration reform, securing our borders in intelligent ways, including components of a "wall", on a number of occasions in the recent past -- ironically, a past where Republicans controlled ALL of Congress and the Whitehouse!

    So, why wasn't this an "emergency" back when Trump and his duped minions controlled everything? Why is it suddenly an "emergency"?

    The only possible answer is that Trump and Cons(-ervatives) are the one politicizing this!

    Get a clue!

  • Katherine Centerville, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 10:38 a.m.

    For Pelosi and her entourage to leave Washington when she should be negotiating with the President on this issue is irresponsible at best.
    "I'm not for a wall." Pelosi said twice... Pelosi needs to realize that it isn't her call. The American people elected Trump partly because of a desire to strengthen our boarders. President Trump is fulfilling a campaign promise. Just because Pelosi doesn't like Trump or the campaign platform that elected him, doesn't mean she has the right - legally, ethically, or morally to ignore the millions of Americans who elected him OR the recommendations of the Border Patrol Agents who repeatedly stress the need for increased border protection.
    There's a very large group of Americans who are tired of being ignored by these "elite" politicians who feel their position gives them the authority to push through what they want rather than representing the will of the people.
    Stand FIRM Mr. President!

  • Katherine Centerville, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 10:40 a.m.

    For Pelosi and her entourage to leave Washington when she should be negotiating with the President on this issue is irresponsible at best.
    "I'm not for a wall." Pelosi said twice... Pelosi needs to realize that it isn't her call. The American people elected Trump partly because of a desire to strengthen our boarders. President Trump is fulfilling a campaign promise. Just because Pelosi doesn't like Trump or the campaign platform that elected him, doesn't mean she has the right - legally, ethically, or morally to ignore the millions of Americans who elected him OR the recommendations of the Border Patrol Agents who repeatedly stress the need for increased border protection.
    There's a very large group of Americans who are tired of being ignored by these "elite" politicians who feel their position gives them the authority to push through what they want rather than representing the will of the people.
    Stand FIRM Mr. President!

  • mohokat , 00
    Jan. 18, 2019 9:52 a.m.

    Had to share:
    Lesson in history. December 17,1903 the Wright Brothers flew 852 feet.

    That's 852 feet farther than Nancy Pelosi flew on January 17,2019

    MAGA

  • Oh, please! Saint George, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 9:28 a.m.

    @LOU…I don’t thank obama for anything. He ruined this country. But I don’t thank Trump for a whole lot either. Also, double standards are horrific. It’s too bad that we didn’t investigate who was pulling the strings on obama, i.e. Soros, etc.

    @IMPARTIAL…I worked in the Capitol building. It’s ludicrous for you to even suggest that the Capitol Hill Police should be furloughed.

    I, too, love the cancelling on little nancy’s trip. And why couldn’t all those people have carpooled down to Andrews AFB instead of the government paying hundreds of dollars for a bus on top of her ridiculous trip.

    @Fully Present and Lone Eagle. You have the best responses yet.

  • mohokat , 00
    Jan. 18, 2019 9:20 a.m.

    I disagree with President Trump cancelling her flight. I wish he would have waited and cancelled the return flight. MAGA!

  • rickmac37 , 00
    Jan. 18, 2019 9:16 a.m.

    I see the children are fighting again, do we have an adult in the room to help?

  • OnlyInUtah Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 8:48 a.m.

    I really appreciate seeing the President stand up to Pelosi. Good move Mr. President!

  • hoch ,
    Jan. 18, 2019 8:29 a.m.

    @ J Smith "This may all seem unimaginable. However, a nightmare scenario where a foreign country could buy (or otherwise install) an American president to do its bidding was anticipated by the framers of the Constitution."

    Thinking back, if there were to be a president for sale, it would be this one.

  • hoch ,
    Jan. 18, 2019 8:21 a.m.

    @Marigold - "This while there is a partial government shut down and instead of negotiating with the President she wants to leave the country at taxpayer expense and with security--for her and her band of "lawmakers?" The shutdown has already cost more than the money requested by the President for the wall! Not to mention the human suffering of government employees (most of them Democrats??) who would love to work and get paid. Nancy Pelosi is the epitome of an elitist who says one thing and does another. Hurray for President Trump!"

    Try swapping the names. It's fun. :)

  • Lone Eagle Aurora, CO
    Jan. 18, 2019 8:21 a.m.

    The solution is simple: Madam Speaker, agree to fund border security and government will reopen. Why are democrats so opposed to securing our borders? Walls work as part of that security, just look at Madam Pelosi's home, or the Vatican. Increasing security for our border is akin to using the locks external doors come with. How many people lock their doors to prevent break-ins? What President Trump is wanting is the same thing, an ability to prevent break-ins.

  • Zabilde Riverdale, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 8:01 a.m.

    She had no business leaving the country on a tax payer funded junket while the government is shut down. It's going to take negotiations to end this shutdown and she can't negotiate effectively from Denmark, Egypt or Afghanistan.

    Trump was absolutely right to cancel that and every other trip until the shutdown ends. Every member of congress should be restricted to DC for the duration, no going home to their families and districts, no junkets, no vacations nothing. They stay in DC until they actually start talking and work out a compromise that both sides can accept. Ideally the leadership of both parties and both houses should be locked in a room until they can come to an agreement. Then put that agreement to the full House and Senate to vote, and then send it to the President to Sign or veto. If he were to veto it, then they should attempt an over-ride or re-negotiate.

    Pelosi should have cancelled that trip the moment the Shutdown started. Her job is in DC, not visiting the Troops or any other nation.

  • blackattack Orem, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 7:40 a.m.

    Pelosi requesting to go oversees after she said she thinks federal workers should not be asked to work for free during the shutdown is quite hypocritical.

    I hope everyone finds a compromise soon. I feel bad for federal workers who are pawns to both parties' whims.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Jan. 18, 2019 6:45 a.m.

    Isn't nothing more than grand hypocrisy to see the First Lady fly in her comfortable Government Jet to Florida? And I wonder if the various other higher-ups in the Trump administration are curtailing their travel plans?

    Trump's tantrums inevitably yield little results. And taunting the Speaker of the House will most likely only strengthen her resolve.

    And folks, never forget, that Speaker Pelosi is next inline for the Presidency should Trump and Pence both be bounced out of office.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Jan. 18, 2019 2:57 a.m.

    They are both childish.
    No wonder they cant compromise.

    If Trump can't use the Congress then maybe he can do it from some other venue.

    Perhaps Trump also can have a little grace.

  • FanOfTheSith Vernal, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 2:57 a.m.

    Poor VP Pence just keeps on plucking along as a decoration to Trump.

  • my_two_cents_worth university place, WA
    Jan. 18, 2019 2:54 a.m.

    @Marigold

    "lawmakers?"

    Why the quotation marks? Is the speaker not, in fact, a lawmaker.

    “(most of them Democrats??)”

    Are you asking or knowingly making a false statement?

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    Jan. 18, 2019 1:08 a.m.

    trump is acting like a child again, dis-allowing the use of a plane by the speaker of the house
    c',mon, Republicans, get that guy outta here

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 11:23 p.m.

    Trump shouldn't have shut down the gov't and then gone to visit the troops. Pelosi should not go visit the troops while the gov't is shut down. They all could have gone to visit the troops after they had a budget approved and the gov't up and running again. Until then the President, Jared/Ivanka, and no member of Congress should go on vaction until the shutdown is over. Can you imagine anyone else not doing their job and then telling their boss they are going to go on vacation? What goes on in D.C. would never be tolerated in the private sector, city, county, and state gov'ts. Only in Washington.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 11:22 p.m.

    The pettiness, power tripping, and immature behavior of Pelosi, Trump and McConnell at the expense of federal employees, the deficit, the economy, and so many others is inexcusable. They do not deserve to be in office when they disrespect their offices and the American people like this.

    A "big, beautiful wall" isn't needed for the United States-Mexico border. A barrier in “strategic locations” is needed along with other things like beefing up the Coast Guard, and technology monitoring. Nancy needs to stop saying no wall. It is a lie. Trump and his supporters need to get off their kick of a "big, beautiful wall" that is needed. It is a lie.

    The American people need the truth about what our almost 11 billion dollars for border security is being spent on, what more is needed for effective border security, what it will be spent on, and when Trump and Pelosi are going to grow up and do the jobs they were elected to do.

    We have given too many politicians too much power over our country and over taxpayers. This needs to change. Unchecked power and such misuse of power needs to end.

  • Marigold Provo, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 10:02 p.m.

    A President with a backbone! Let's see: not enough security to warrant the President delivering the State of the Union Speech at the end of January according to Nancy Pelosi just hours before she wants to hop an Air Force jet to go to Belgium, Egypt, and Afghanistan along with other "lawmakers?" This while there is a partial government shut down and instead of negotiating with the President she wants to leave the country at taxpayer expense and with security--for her and her band of "lawmakers?" The shutdown has already cost more than the money requested by the President for the wall! Not to mention the human suffering of government employees (most of them Democrats??) who would love to work and get paid. Nancy Pelosi is the epitome of an elitist who says one thing and does another. Hurray for President Trump!

  • my_two_cents_worth university place, WA
    Jan. 17, 2019 9:33 p.m.

    @illuminated

    "I love this President, a true American hero!"

    The soldiers who died in Syria this week are heroes. The U. S. service members in Iraq and Afghanistan are heroes. The thousands of men and women of the U. S. Coast Guard who continue to defend our shores without pay are heroes. Those in Homeland Security who come to work each and every day not knowing if or when they will see a paycheck again are heroes.

    Trump is no hero.

  • one old man MSC, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 9:10 p.m.

    Pelosi : "You can't use the House chamber for your State of the Union Address! So there!"

    trump : "Nya, nya, nya -- so then you can't use one of my military airplanes for your trip to Afghanistan! So there!"

    Sounds like the playground monitors in Washington have been furloughed by the shutdown so the first graders aren't being sent to the Time Out Bench to cool down.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Jan. 17, 2019 8:50 p.m.

    During this shutdown Nancy has been to Hawaii, Puerto Rico, and now wants to fly around the world?

    Protecting America is why she was put into office. Get with it!

  • UtahBruin Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 8:40 p.m.

    @Esquire
    "Cancel it. If Trump wants things shut down, then let him live by it and not have it both ways. And if the Speaker says no, then Trump doesn't speak at the Capitol."

    Laughable. You are saying that Trump can't have it both ways. While defending Pelosi. Who believes that the speech should not happen because she wants security. Yet, she wants to take off on a government funded plane to go talk to front line troops about security. Yet she dismisses the our own countries security. What is more important, security on a foreign land, or our own? Yeah, and Trump wants it both ways. Trump wants it one way. Pelosi is the one who denied him, giving a reason she wants to break so she can travel. Laughable.

    And if the President says no, then Pelosi doesn't get to fly on a military plane.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 8:03 p.m.

    Pelosi gets to decide whether and when to start impeachment hearings. She's doing the country a tremendous favor by not sacrificing the dignity of the House in order for Trump to salivate over himself and what kind of great job he thinks he's doing.

    Giuliani virtually admitted last night the Trump campaign colluded with a foreign adversary. How many GOP standing ovations does Trump deserve for that?

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 7:30 p.m.

    want to know we’re we went wrong in our country, just read this thread Trump and Paolsi would rather play childish games then do their jobs and what is people’s response. Calling them hero’s and declaring undying devotion to them.

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 7:11 p.m.

    Good. She wants to play games with the State of the Union address, he can take her plane. God bless President Trump.

  • Mad Hatter Santa Fe, NM
    Jan. 17, 2019 7:05 p.m.

    illuminated - Kansas City, MO
    Jan. 17, 2019 6:41 p.m.

    "Consider yourself grounded, madam Pelosi! I love this President, a true American hero!"

    Glad you do. You are with the minority. Hopefully you'll feel the same what when he is exposed for the fraud he is. Mueller is putting together a case that only the most blinded will deny. When you don't keep up with the news, restricting yourself to only the information you want, don't be surprised if the result is disquieting.

    Perhaps you have insight into the goings on between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin? Americans would like to know if their president is selling them out or is just a unwilling idiot. Is it just the desire to make millions on a Trump Tower Moscow or does Putin have something on Trump? And then there are the loans from Russian banks which could possible bankrupt the Trump family for good. But we won't know until the tax returns get public. One would think you would also like to know?

    Oh, and don't put Trump in the same category as other national heroes. It diminishes that respected word. John McCain is a hero. He served his nation with honor and distinction.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 6:52 p.m.

    @thid

    Dems complain no more than republicans did during obama.

    Also the thing is you simply oversell everything as a trump accomplishment. I and many millions of Americans are successful because of their actions not trumps.

  • illuminated Kansas City, MO
    Jan. 17, 2019 6:41 p.m.

    Consider yourself grounded, madam Pelosi! I love this President, a true American hero!

  • cityboy Farmington, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 6:04 p.m.

    @Spokane Ute,
    You have revised history if you now disavow that Trump didn’t state over and over again that Mexico would pay for the wall. His revised story (which was first tweeted on Dec. 13th) and yours, is that Mexico will pay for the wall through decreased tariffs resulting from the USMCA trade agreement. That is hogwash and has been pooh-poohed by many economists. The DNs dislike for imbedded links prevents me from listing scores, but you can do the research.

    Most of Mexico’s tariffs were already been eliminated when NAFTA was launched. Regardless, companies not countries pay tariffs. So any savings would accrue to pass-throughs to American citizens, not to the governement. Whatever savings may result from the proposed new trade agreement, even if you believed the faulty premise, would not pay the O&M on the wall let alone the capital cost to construct it.

    I suspect the unpaid federal workers are “tired of winning”, as am I. It’s time for Trump to bring this debacle to an end.

  • Tweety Modesto, CA
    Jan. 17, 2019 6:01 p.m.

    Priceless

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 5:37 p.m.

    Trump also cancelled his meeting at the world economic forum.

    Pelosi can't imperil his State of the Union address, she has no control over it.

  • bemorefair , 00
    Jan. 17, 2019 5:34 p.m.

    I'm sick of both the president and Pelosi. Ugh. How do we remove them both from office and put in people with real intelligence willing to work across the aisle?

  • Jim Chee Lahaina, HI
    Jan. 17, 2019 5:05 p.m.

    water rocket - , 00
    Jan. 17, 2019 4:50 p.m.

    " . . . I do not believe Pelosi needs to be traveling over seas to "visit the troops". She is NOT the Commander-in-Chief! "

    Duh? Nancy Pelosi is the most important member of Congress and stands third in line to become president. Since Donald Trump won't visit the troops in active military zones of conflict, why not have a congressional delegation visit to get information? It's done all the time and comes with the job. Congress oversees the funding of the military and members often want to see what the men and women want and need to do their jobs effectively.

    When Trump visited Iraq (after avoiding it for two years and then not even visiting with Iraqi officials), it was to talk about himself and very little time given to briefings and information gathering. You might go so far as to say you don't see any reason for Trump to travel to visit the troops since he doesn't learn anything about their situation.

    Trump has his opinions. They're pretty much the same as what he held thirty years ago. He has zero curiosity. He doesn't learn. He has no interest. But he has his opinions. We know this because White House aides tell us this.

  • water rocket , 00
    Jan. 17, 2019 4:50 p.m.

    Two things I find interesting. First there is the constant divisiveness of both parties in Congress to constantly blame the other, while both parties watch the ship (nation) sink. Congress has failed to act for literally decades upon decades as each party played one-up-man-ship for political gain. Second, I do not believe Pelosi needs to be traveling over seas to "visit the troops". She is NOT the Commander-in-Chief! If she wants to travel like any citizen, then fine, but let her pay her own travel expenses. The bottom line in Washington is that diplomacy and statesmanship are completely dead. We do not elect these people to represent one half of the people. While they may be elected based on the platforms of their party, once elected, they should represent ALL of us.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 4:27 p.m.

    @thid barker
    "GDP is now nearly double of what it was before President Trump was elected."

    @silo
    "False in every possible way that GDP is measured. Trump's annual GDP during his Presidency is on part with Obama's Presidency. Trump's best GDP quarter is still well below Obama's best GDP quarter. This is easily verified in less time that it took you to post your comment "

    Thid's statement is technically accurate but lacking in context.

    GDP growth by year has been:
    2010: 2.6%
    2011: 1.6%
    2012: 2.2%
    2013: 1.8%
    2014: 2.5%
    2015: 2.9%
    2016: 1.6%
    2017: 2.2%
    2018 (through three quarters) 2.2 4.2 3.5 = avg of 3.3 which is roughly double that of 1.6.

    Of course this ignores the post-recession average for Obama, ignores 2017, and hopes that the market crashing in the 4th quarter and tariffs (which spurred some getting in before the tariffs hit spending earlier this year) doesn't drag that average down. It seems likely that Q4 GDP growth will be below 3% and the year will be something close to 3.0% (we'll never hear the end of it if it's 3.0, even though that'll be .1 different than 2015).

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    Jan. 17, 2019 4:03 p.m.

    Yes! Nothing but net! This alone would make me vote for Pres. Trump in 2020.

  • H. Bob Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 3:50 p.m.

    Well, I'm sure glad someone finds it "funny" that the president of the United States would disclose the secret travel plans of the Speaker of the House just before a planned trip to a war zone. Because that's what's important, isn't it? That we're entertained by the squabbling instead of finding a solution to the government shutdown and the very real possibility that the man who's in the White House is taking orders from a hostile government?

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Jan. 17, 2019 3:48 p.m.

    At what point in time will Trump realize that this is a battle he can't win? Never.

  • Rick for Truth Provo, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 3:31 p.m.

    Trumps action to stop Pelosi’s secret getaway is the funniest and best news story of the year. MAGA, go Trump!

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 3:02 p.m.

    @thid
    "He comes from a position of strength and leadership because of him, GOP power in the Senate, the WH and the SCOTUS is stronger than ever!"

    He lost the House, and Scotus picks would have happened with any of the Republican candidates. There simply isn't strength nor leadership.

    "ISIS is defeated so our brave, victorious troops are coming home from Syria and Afghanistan!"

    ISIS literally just killed two service members and two civilian operators in Syria this week.

    "GDP is now nearly double of what it was before President Trump was elected."

    False in every possible way that GDP is measured. Trump's annual GDP during his Presidency is on part with Obama's Presidency. Trump's best GDP quarter is still well below Obama's best GDP quarter. This is easily verified in less time that it took you to post your comment

    If Trump was doing such a stellar job, why the need to falsify or exaggerate so many claims when describing his Presidency?

  • BYGardner SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 2:52 p.m.

    @Spokane Ute
    I find it incredulous for you to claim the President did not declare during the election that Mexico would directly pay for the wall. However, assuming it was the president's intention to get Mexico to pay for it in a manner you describe, why has no tariff, tax, or fee ever been proposed or implemented while he has been in office? Many of these things could be done unilaterally by him. And incidentally, tariffs imposed by the US government are paid by....US consumers.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 2:37 p.m.

    @spokane ute

    "Trump never said that Mexico would write a check for the wall."

    False. Trump absolutely and repeatedly claimed that Mexico would directly pay for the wall during his campaign. After he was elected, he literally begged Mexican President Nieto to stop saying that Mexico would not pay for the wall. Here's a direct quote from the phone transcript of Trump's begging:

    "I have to have Mexico pay for the wall – I have to...I have been talking about it for a two year period..." Donald Trump, Jan 28, 2017

    "He said the United States would get the money back through tariffs, taxes, feestaxes other means."

    Applying taxes, tariffs or means does not force Mexico to pay for the wall. That's not how tariffs and trade deals work. Paying for the wall through any of those methods means that the US taxpayer is indirectly covering those costs. The only way Mexico pays for the wall is if Mexico writes a check. All other proposals from Trump saddle the US taxpayer, directly or indirectly.

  • Jimbo Low PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 2:26 p.m.

    @RedRockUte:
    "Pelosi holds the cards on this. All of them. And there should be no doubt what Trump would have done in the State of the Union...."
    Not quite sure what station you are tuning in to but there has been no cancellation of the State of the Union--Nancy is just confused as to why President Trump has not responded to her unreasonable request to cancel it.
    Tune in a week from Tuesday and you can hear what Trump will REALLY say. At that point, I am sure CNN, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, NY Times, etc. will continue to tell you Nancy still has all the cards. Riiiiiiiight.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 2:13 p.m.

    This, and every state of the union should be what the constitution asks it to be. A report. A written report with recommendations. That's it. It's not a platform for the president, nor should it be.
    As for trump, he has since responded in true fashion. He's denied Pelosi the use of an aircraft for an overseas trip she had planned in her capacity as representative. I noticed he got in his photo op to the border himself before he pulled this one.

  • NeifyT Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 2:11 p.m.

    @Traveller,

    I have to disagree with your assessment then if you are "serious." Doesn't matter that they wrote about congress first; it is clear that they wanted a system where no one could take control over the country; to ensure life, liberty and justice for all. In that; they carefully crafted a design of three branches each must support the others; but also each has some power over the others to ensure that no one can usurp all the power.

    Congress was never intended to have more power than the other two branches. The reason there is as you say "the most consensus and coalition-building" was because not only was the government to have three distinct and limited branches of government; but the law makers must come from the people itself (hence why it is the People's House); to be a Democratic-Republic (that is the people elect those that represent them in crafting the laws that we all must live under).

    Further, the "Great Compromise" was that larger States shouldn't over power the will of smaller States; but the will of the people must be counted, hence Congress was split in two ruling bodies, one for representing States and one for representing the population of people.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 2:05 p.m.

    I love Trump's just fire shot at Pelosi. One hour before leaving on an 8 day junket, Trump cancelled her use of military plains. Saying if the shut down was affecting others she shouldn't be leaving D.C. Still want to go and avoid negotiating an end to the shut down, fly civilian. I broke out laughing thinking of Pelosi's fit. All realize Trump is not limited to giving a state of the Union in the house chambers, he can do it from my back porch. I would gladly welcome him.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Jan. 17, 2019 1:36 p.m.

    Thid, "Complaints are not solutions, they are excuses for solutions!"

    OOOOh! If only that logic was applied by conservatives back in 2008. Just imagine, if you will, the Republican recession would not have lasted as long, America would have affordable healthcare, the war in the Middle East would have ended, and Russia would not have colluded with Trump to destroy our great nation.

    Double standards are horrific!

  • Traveller Farmington, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 1:31 p.m.

    @NeifyT
    No, I was serious. Yes each of the branches has important checks against the power of the others, but Congress is overall the most powerful (or it should be). The Founders understood that the most powerful and easiest-to-abuse powers of government should go to the branch that requires the most consensus and coalition-building to act and that is the most accountable to the people.

    It is no coincidence that it is the first of the three branches mentioned in the Constitution.

  • bachelors of science Brigham City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 1:31 p.m.

    @ Spokane Ute

    You are wrong my friend.

    Trump repeatedly said Mexico would make a "one-time payment of 5 to 10 billion dollars."

    He even went on to say it "would be an easy decision for Mexico."

    I think we can all agree on what a "one-time payment" means.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 17, 2019 1:07 p.m.

    "Conservatives still have not stopped complaining and blaming."

    Not true, conservatives acted and elected problem solver Donald Trump to repair the damage the previous occupant of the WH inflicted upon America! Proving that we, like President Trump, are achievers, not complainers! Want to hear solutions to America's problems? Listen to President Trump's upcoming State of The Union Speech. Want to hear NOTHING but complaints? Listen to the Democrat's response to the State of The Union Speech! Complaints are not solutions, they are excuses for solutions! I rest my case!

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 12:58 p.m.

    taylormade1 said: "The Liberal Dem's have been a no show and on vacation every since Trump became President 2 years ago ..."

    Trump after 437 days in office, had spent 140 days at Trump properties, and 105 days at golf properties. So who's on vacation?

  • J. Smith Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 12:55 p.m.

    During the past year Donald Trump repeatedly and in private expressed the desire to withdraw the United States from the NATO alliance. Beyond an almost heretofore unthinkable betrayal of one of the most successful alliances in modern history -- and one founded by the United States after World War II to counter the influence and power of the former Soviet Union in a war, such a move could be seen as surrendering Europe to Vladimir Putin and Russia.

    This is one more example of Donald Trump's behavior that validates the logic and reasoning behind the counterintelligence investigation opened by the FBI in 2017, in order to determine whether the president of the United States, is actually a Russian asset.

    This may all seem unimaginable. However, a nightmare scenario where a foreign country could buy (or otherwise install) an American president to do its bidding was anticipated by the framers of the Constitution.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 17, 2019 12:41 p.m.

    At BYUgardner

    Trump never said that Mexico would write a check for the wall. He said the United States would get the money back through tariffs, taxes, feestaxes other means. This was confirmed prior to him get elected when Sean Hannity questioned him. You should get your facts straight, a little research goes a long ways. The Spin game grows old and tiresome.

  • BYGardner SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 12:33 p.m.

    When the president campaigned that Mexico would pay for the wall, why does he feel he is fulfilling a campaign promise to have US taxpayers pay for it? If building the wall is such a high priority (or even a good idea), why didn't it happen the last two years when Republicans controlled both houses of congress? The president has signed spending bills for two years without wall funding. He campaigned on it during the mid-terms, and lost 40 house seats, and lost 23 of the 33 senate elections. Why does he feel that he is entitled to the wall?

    Let's also remember how we got here. This shutdown started when Republicans still controlled the house. The senate had already passed a bill in accordance with the president's wishes. The Democratic house has now passed the same bill. The issue is that the president keeps changing his position. The president said he was going to shut down the government, and the Democrats pleaded with him not to do it.

    It appears our reality star president wants headlines, and that he doesn't want them to be about Russia.

  • NeifyT Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 12:27 p.m.

    @Traveller,

    I can't tell if your post was intended as sarcasm or not. The first paragraph sure sounded sarcastic to me (or it is absolutely false). However, the second and third paragraphs seem like an accurate observation of Congress's abdication of its responsibilities.

    Of course the founders intended for all three branches to hold equal power; and provide
    checks and balances on each other so that no branch gains control over the Union.

    For instance: Congress gets to say how the money is spent, but the president can veto. Congress gets to declare war, but the president is the Commander in Chief of the military and conducts such a war. Congress gets to set immigration laws; but the president carries them out and/or again could veto; but congress can override veto; and still yet the Supreme Court can override congress on constitutionality of its laws. The president picks the judges; but Congress says yea or nay. Etc. The founders very carefully gave each branch the ability to balance the power of the other branches.

    You are right Congress has abdicated their duties such setting a budget or instituting immigration laws, and many other things.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Jan. 17, 2019 12:26 p.m.

    Thid, "Why is it that all we hear from Democrats is constant complaining about President Trump?"

    Really? Eight long years, day after day, minute-by-minute and second-by-second all America heard from conservatives was complaining about Obama. The racial slurs were unbelievable! If you want to start a riot just yell Obama or Hillary's name.

    Conservatives still have not stopped complaining and blaming.

    You can thank Obama for an economy strong enough to withstand Trump's poor leadership.

  • NeifyT Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 12:01 p.m.

    The idea of postponing the State of the Union address; is appalling--in that it is akin to saying "oh look how terrible the state of the Union is currently, so lets wait until things get better to go in front of Congress (and the People) to tell them how things are going."

    No, to be honest we need to have the State of the Union address while the government is shut down, because that right now is the very state of our Union, where both branches of government want complete control over the other; and neither is willing to compromise.

    ---

    But I am sure Pelosi is just worried that Trump will use the State of the Union and its shutdown to rally his base into pressuring Congress to do what she never wants to get done. Using the time as a "bully pulpit."

    She sure can't really be worried about the "security" or that those particular people aren't being paid--or she would be on the phone with Trump right now negotiating a deal to get the government open again; instead of grandstanding on "security" and "those going without pay."

    ---

    As for where the blame goes, it goes squarely on both Republicans and Democrats; and in two of the three branches of government (e.g. partisan politics).

  • taylormade1 Springville, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 11:48 a.m.

    The Liberal Dem's have been a no show and on vacation every since Trump became President 2 years ago ... I say hold the State of the Union without them .... Just look at everything that the POTUS has accomplished without them in the last 2 years in the 1st place .....

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 17, 2019 11:25 a.m.

    Schumer and Pelosi haven’t been to the white house in eight days. It’s kind of hard to negotiate

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 17, 2019 11:23 a.m.

    Why is it that all we hear from Democrats is constant complaining about President Trump? Complaining must make them feel like they’re not at fault. They think complaining keeps them off the hook for some time, at least. The ironic thing, though, is that their constant complaining doesn’t solve anything, never has, never will! President Trump isn't their enemy, their hurt ego for losing the WH is their enemy. It prevents them from growing. It prevents them from looking at the problem from an objective perspective. Complaints are not solutions, they are excuses for solutions! Complaining is easy, solving problems isn't! I hope the day will come when a Democrat comes up with a solution, not just never ending complaints about President Trump who is dedicated to solving America's problems!

  • well informed Salt Lake, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 11:13 a.m.

    The White House Office of Management and Budget estimates that the agencies impacted by the shutdown employ at least 150,000 veterans.

    On Tuesday several veterans groups including AMVETS held a press conference demanding an end to the partial government shutdown.

    The shutdown is affecting thousands of veterans right now and the President doesn't seem to care.

  • evansrichdm West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 10:09 a.m.

    Sorry well informed, but Veterans are getting their benefits/entitlements and help they need. How do I know I am a Veteran, got my benefits just fine.

  • well informed Salt Lake, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 9:54 a.m.

    @ Leonidas

    What Trump is doing to our Veterans by not providing them the assistance they need during this shutdown is shameful.

  • shamrock Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 9:45 a.m.

    Could we just focus on restoring the government and paying those federal employees the wages we promised to pay them?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 9:23 a.m.

    The Donald can tweet it like he does all policy and troop removals.

  • Traveller Farmington, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 9:12 a.m.

    @Impartial7

    In fact, Speaker Pelosi is selling herself short. Congress is not supposed to be co-equal with the President and the courts. The founders intended Congress to be the most powerful of the three branches. It is in the pre-eminent place in the Constitution and it holds some of the strongest federal powers, including how our money is spent, when we go to war, immigration, and even oversight of the other two branches (impeachment and appointment of judges).

    However, over the years Congress has delegated more and more of its powers to the President rather than face the consequences of doing its job. If the balance of power was where the founders intended it to be, Congress would be leading, not just cheering or opposing the President.

    Much as I disagree with Speaker Pelosi, I'm almost sorry to see her lose on this issue. Having Congress realize that it should be in charge on some things would be a step in the right direction.

  • RedRockUte St George, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 9:11 a.m.

    Pelosi holds the cards on this. All of them. And there should be no doubt what Trump would have done in the State of the Union:

    1. Politic for the wall.
    2. Whine about the Mueller witch hunt.

    Maybe he'd also tell us that Putin is our friend, North Korea is (really, they are) going to get rid of those nukes, and ISIS really is dead.

    No end to the shutdown, no speech.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 9:06 a.m.

    Cancel it. If Trump wants things shut down, then let him live by it and not have it both ways. And if the Speaker says no, then Trump doesn't speak at the Capitol.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Jan. 17, 2019 8:52 a.m.

    Well played Ms. Pelosi, well played.

  • Leonidas Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 8:52 a.m.

    Another cheap, transparent move by Pelosi. Shameful.

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 8:44 a.m.

    "Democrats are always reluctant to let Trump speak directly to the people. Every time Trump gets direct air-time, his popularity and support spike upwards. The people get to see that he is not the cartoonish straw-man version that the propaganda media has been desperately trying to create."

    Quite the opposite. Every time he speaks he reminds us all that he can barely speak without praising himself. If you cant see it that is on you.

    The emperor has no clothes. Someday that 33% who still supports him will finally realize it...or not.

  • Traveller Farmington, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 8:15 a.m.

    If the State of the Union were simply delivered by letter to Congress I for one wouldn't miss the pageantry. The speech is always just an interminable laundry list of the president's current priorities with a ridiculous amount of mostly insincere applause from one side of the floor or the other.

    Trump being Trump obviously the speech will go forward.

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 8:02 a.m.

    Democrats are always reluctant to let Trump speak directly to the people. Every time Trump gets direct air-time, his popularity and support spike upwards. The people get to see that he is not the cartoonish straw-man version that the propaganda media has been desperately trying to create.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 17, 2019 7:59 a.m.

    The Democrats are just mad because they have nothing else to worry about. The heck with the US citizen or the southern border issues. Let’s worry about the speech. Good grief

    Time to head to a beach community to meet with our lobbyist

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Jan. 17, 2019 7:32 a.m.

    Constitutionalists,
    The only Constitutional provision is that the President deliver a statement to the Congress of the 'state of the nation'. The Congress is not obligated to entertain the President or the public with a televised in-person delivery of said message. The outrage from the GOP for the Speaker requesting the President to delay a public appearance for good cause is simply empty political rhetoric.

    Trump has the option of giving his statements to the Congress in writing, and making a speech at the time and place of his choosing.

    Furthermore, the argument I've heard that the Speaker's action violates tradition is rich indeed. The President ran on a platform that asked the American public to shake up things and do it differently. Of course, this shake up wasn't meant to impugn the President's ego, but there it is.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Jan. 17, 2019 6:57 a.m.

    Pelosi and her 'resistance' in their finest hour - NOT

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 17, 2019 6:58 a.m.

    President Trump's State of the Union speech will be a wonderful! He will speak about new found prosperity and progress for all Americans! He comes from a position of strength and leadership because of him, GOP power in the Senate, the WH and the SCOTUS is stronger than ever! The Trump economy is the envy of the world, our military is once again the best in the world, ISIS is defeated so our brave, victorious troops are coming home from Syria and Afghanistan! Peace prospects with NKO are higher than ever. Wages are up, taxes are down, millions of new jobs were created and prosperity abounds for all Americans, including minority Americans. GDP is now nearly double of what it was before President Trump was elected. We have so much to be happy about in America, the greatest nation on earth! Obstruction and opposition from the left is still there but they are losing on every issue! We stand with you Mr. President because YOU stand with us and you keep your promises! President Trump has made the government the servant of the people, not the other way around! God bless America and God bless President Trump!

  • J. Smith Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 6:49 a.m.

    The House of Representatives should immediately open a formal impeachment inquiry. Trump has failed to keep his oath of office and routinely privileged his self-interest above the responsibilities of the presidency.

    The president has also demanded that public officials put their loyalty to him ahead of their duty to the public, evinced little respect for the rule of law and has repeatedly trampled upon Constitutional rights.

    These actions are, in sum, an attack on the very foundations of America’s constitutional democracy, impeachment is a vital protection against the dangers a president like Trump poses. Impeachment is a process, not an outcome, which would allow for an investigation into Trump with rule-bound procedures, something sorely missing when the Republicans were in charge........

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 6:47 a.m.

    "Pelosi left unclear what would happen if Trump insisted on coming despite the welcome mat being pulled away. It takes a joint resolution of the House and Congress to extend the official invitation and set the stage."

    Well, it's pretty clear. The House, nor Senate Dems are going to vote for the resolution. McConnell has refused, for 26 days, to bring a spending bill up to a vote. Don't think Pelosi isn't reminding Trump that the Congress has equal power. The first casualty of Federal employees should be the Capitol police and the Secret Service. Maybe then, Congress and the President would feel the effects real fast.

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 6:47 a.m.

    The GOP is just mad because they want to see themselves clapping for Trump's speech while watching Fox News air "Trump's Greatest Hits".

  • emb Pleasant Grove, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 6:38 a.m.

    I appreciate Speaker Pelosi's concern about security for she and other leaders while ignoring the security needs of others threatened by the lack of security on our southern boarder. Fact is that the professionals in our nation's capitol say they are ready while those on the southern boarder are begging for help. Case closed.