I can attest that ALL forms of discrimination hurt. Sometimes the
pendulum of fairness swings too far.In the name of equality and
"affirmative" action for minorities and women, a lot of reverse
discrimination has taken place over the years. I know as I was one
of them that experienced discrimination. As a CPA I was auditing federal and
state governmental entities for several years in the 1980s until, because of the
laws of the land, these audits were taken from me by truly unqualified and
unlicensed (with the state board of accountancy) minority CPAs (a woman and a
native american) were granted the audits. It did not matter that I had a wife
and children to feed too. I guess I was just another white "privileged"
male so it was okay to do to me what we are saying should not be done to any.Let jobs and justice be blind to all creeds, colors, races, genders...
including white males.
I see discrimination every time I hire a new engineer. I discriminate based on
who I can judge to be the best fit for the job having a STEM education,
experience or an internship, grades . . . I don't care what a
scientist or engineers gender is. The last scientist I hired is
female, she started with us two weeks after graduation, she had all the right
qualifications of STEM education and internship in which her manager spoke very
highly of her work and her abilities. She was hired at the same salary as a
male would have been. Glad she is "on board" to help us, she is doing
very well in her first year.
In my work place, be right or wrong, a woman would not "fit-in" as would
a man might (I personally don't like my work culture, but it is the culture
none the less). That is a factor in a lot of work places. Some work places,
culture are more welcoming to women than others. I can't say if there is a
work culture that a man wouldn't "fit-in" because I haven't
experienced that, but I imagine it is there.
To shamrock,It always fascinates me at how quickly people dismiss
different viewpoints regarding issues like gender discrimination. With the exception of imsmarterthanyou, most here make good points. If they
seem a bit one-sided, that might be because those that use the issue for their
own political gain don't take into account any of these points beyond a
@GettinOldDiscrimination exists in many forms, but I do believe that
due to the social pressure being put on public companies today that the gender
discrimination is improving. Age discrimination is a real thing and a real
problem, especially with technology companies. It isn't hard to prove.
The government could simply ask companies to provide the ages of all new hires
in a given year. My guess is that you would see that technology companies go
out of their way to hire people under 40.
It fascinates me that every time there's an article about gender
discrimination in the workplace, several conservative men show up to explain
how: (1) nature meant it to be that way; or (2) as men, they've experienced
invidious discrimination themselves; or (3) there really isn't any
discrimination against women, it's just that they keep taking time off for
After my first interview for a real job out of college, I was told (in
confidence) by a friend who worked for the company that the manager only hired
women. And, despite my having the required college degree, they hired a woman
with no degree or experience. I've experienced similar discrimination over
the 30 years of my career. Sadly, age discrimination is even more rampant.
It's nearly impossible to prove, so you learn to move on and work harder.
So both men and women suffer "discrimination" in the job market. The idea that things will ever be perfectly fair and equal is just a silly
delusion, because employers are factoring in *real* but intangible and difficult
to quantify factors in their hiring choices. For example, even between two
perfectly equally qualified candidates, an employer knows that females will have
a higher probability of quitting or taking a lot of time off for child care.
Similarly, between two equally qualified "engineers", the man will also
have the additional qualities of physical strength, which is eventually useful
in almost any real-world job. Men and women really do have different roles
in society. That is not because "men oppress women", but because real
life oppresses both men and women, and so they have evolved different, but
complimentary, capabilities to insure survival of the species through
cooperation.It is a matter of facing reality rather than try to enforce a
delusional view of the human species.
When was the last time you saw a man reporting from the sidelines of a football
game? Could it be that there are no young men, who played football that
understand the intricacies of the game, that can provide valuable sideline
insights? I doubt it. Fact is, TV wants a woman on the sidelines in front of
their cameras. Good luck, young man, at getting that job. Plus, there is
gender discrimination in sports...women can play on the men's golf tourneys
but not visa versa. There are many examples like this.