Watching63 "$5 billion is not even a down payment to build a
“wall” on the border. Everybody know that"Let me say
this more clearly Watching..this is not about 5 billion dollars. The Democrats
offered him 25 billion a year ago for a DACA fix. This is about rejecting the
notion that the "wall" represents, that illegal immigrants are what is
wrong with America. Democrats want secure boarders and have voted a
myriad of times for fences, personnel, technology etc., however they also are
fully aware that 99.9% (my number) of immigrants who came here illegally are
hard working, honest human beings, and that the Trump rant about rapists,
murders, and criminals is a political stunt to divide and conquer. This does
not even count the fact that a thousand mile 30 foot wall does nothing to stop
drugs and the caravans of asylum seekers. Negotiate about what
reality requires for boarder security, it's been done dozens of times
before but never with a President holding the American people as hostage.
The only way this impasse is broken is for a deal to give Trump his $5B for
“border security” to spend as he will, and for Trump to agree to
provide a pathway to citizenship for the dreamers.Trump owns this
fiasco. His wall is a political statement not a deterent to curtail illegal
immigration. If he really wanted to make a dent in the latter he would heavily
fine or shut down employers who hire illegal immigrants and search out and
deport those overstaying their tourist visas. Trump’s approach is purely
one of theatrics and bluster.
Me to trump:No. I will continue to pressure him to never give in to
this useless monument to yourself.
Hey trump!This is Utah.Go away.
Utah to Trump: Get help, you clearly have some issues. Anyone that has lived on
the border can tell you walls don't work.
make america great, by building walls, instead of infrastructure?!c'mon people, pull you heads out of the sand, and quit buying into the
trump fear machine.make your representatives work for YOU, not trump.
$5 billion is not even a down payment to build a “wall” on the
border. Everybody know that. This is simply a ego-centered stunt that has no
significant impact on our border security. We need comprehensive immigration
reform in which adults sit down and agree on a meaningful plan. This president
is incapable of leading us to such a position.
Building a wall will not stop illegal immigration. If we want to stop illegal
immigration, take away the incentives that bring them here. Do not give them
free programs, nor special deals on housing that most of our legal citizens
can't get. Do not allow their kids to attend our schools. Do not waive
tuition at colleges for them. Do not let them benefit from free food programs
nor free medical treatment. Even if one of their children was born here, they
are a product of illegal activity. We do not let a bank robbers family keep
stolen money nor should we hesitate to deport a family even if some of them were
born here. Oh, and absolutely shut down businesses that are know to hire
illegal immigrants and put the business owner in prison. It makes much more
sense to take away the incentives rather than build a wall.
There still seems to be willful blindness on the right between fencing and
barrier structures where appropriate, and "the wall". "The wall" as a physical structure has morphed over time from a big
beautiful 30 foot cement structure all across our southern boarder, to a steel
slat wall, to various other proto types of high structures. As a
symbol it has never changed. It is still (regardless of material) a 30 foot
high structure that covers most of our southern border including land that is
now held privately. This is far different both structurally and symbolically
from the fencing/wall that is in place and has been previously approved. Everyone wants our boarders secured. The vast majority of Americans
including those most immediately effected, and the experts don't want
"the wall" either as a structure or as a symbol. They want realistic
tools and deterrents. It was hilarious watching Trump at the
boarder standing where he wants his wall and saluting as a helicopter flew over
his head..you couldn't have made up that irony.
No. Does no work for you donald? I realize you have never heard that word before
but get use to it.
He may represent my district, but he doesn't live in it. So by default
he'll listen to his east side cronies and not us poor folk that live in his
district. Build the wall.
If all those government employees being forced to work without pay simply
refused to show up, the shutdown would end in a heart beat. Can you imagine the
public outcry if all air-traffic suddenly ceased for the duration?
Trump has no concern for government workers and seems to despise them. He has
shown over and over that he has no empathy for anyone.While at the
border last week, a border agent told him tunnels were being dug under the walls
already there. Drones can carry drugs over any wall. He is fighting a losing
fight that should ensure his defeat in 2000.
McAdams' voters didn't send him there to build a wall and there's
plenty of people in the middle who don't think a shutdown is an appropriate
strategy to use for pitching a partisan fight.
Both parties and Trump have a need to be right and it is not working. Dems are wrong to say no wall right from the get-go. Big mistake by Pelosi.
Doung this to spite Trump because they can't stand him only made Trump and
some Republicans dig in even more. Dems need to compromise on some wall or
barrier in some areas where it is deemed appropriate. Even Obama, their hero,
did some wall building and many deportations. Most presidents have. They also
need to stop pushing for too far left policies. They need to manage the
extremists in their party. Republicans need to compromise on how
much wall or barrier, be open to looking at other types of border control
options as well like beefing up the Coast Guard, air traffic, and technological
monitoring of the border. Also, be open to a path for citizenship for the DACA
kids that do not have a criminal history and understand if they do engage in
criminal behavior their legal status can be revoked. Dreamers without criminal
history should be offered the same deal. If both sides were open to
these compromises, they could have the gov't up and running again rather
than punishing American citizens who had no control over the shutdown.
Considering that the Senate last year voted 100-0 on the same funding bill that
the House in the current session of Congress passed, and that Senator McConnell
is obstinately preventing from being voted on in the Senate now, I think we can
see where the real obstruction is.Fellow Utahns, let us rather
contact our senators Lee (202-224-5444) and Romney (202-224-5251) and tell them
that their majority leader needs to allow the legislation to come to a vote, or
else be replaced by a new majority leader who recognizes the duty of Congress in
passing legislation. Simply allowing a vote will almost certainly
resolve the shutdown: even if the president vetoes it, Congress is sure to
override the veto and get the government working again. Senate Republicans need
to face the truth: they have the power to resolve this situation, and need to
We need border security, lets get it going.
"Any sensible person can understand that walls work." Did walls work for
China? For Berlin? For the Sumerians? For any number of civilizations, both
ancient and modern, who have constructed them only to see them fall? Trump seems
to believe that the wall in the HBO series "Game of Thrones" is a symbol
for his wall. He has failed to notice that fictional wall has been a failure. Of
course, walls do work in houses, around property lines, as decoration or even as
monuments, but for keeping out anyone determine to get in, they are not the best
way. Tunnels can and are dug. Ropes and ladders can and are used. Any number of
methods are available to breech a wall. That does not mean a barrier of some
sort isn't a useful part of any kind of border protection, but to believe
that a wall along the entire southern border of our country will be the answer
to drug and immigration problems is naive at best and a monumental boondoggle
at worst. Use our tax dollars for border protection based on all available
methods, not on the demand of one man who wants "his" wall built in
order to prop up his outlandish ego.
Tell Ben McAdams to get a backbone and vote against any taxpayer funding of
abortion, whether in our country or elsewhere. No compromise if it means funding
abortion! Ben could distinguish himself by taking a stand to protect our
country, as well as the unborn, instead of going along with his party, who so
often seem to have their priorities twisted.
I will concede that Trump SHOULD have had Mexico pay for the wall.I
will also concede that Trump should have convinced the previous Congress to make
it happen before this point.But I WON'T concede that the wall
is not needed.Any sensible person (notwithstanding the political
rhetoric from the left)can understand that walls work.Any sensible
person can see that 5 billion (to start)to protect the borders of OUR country is
money well spent.If people want to see the government shutdown end,
they need to email those House members (who are only following orders from
Pelosi and Schumer),and urge them to give the wall serious consideration.I don't see Trump backing down. I suspect the new House members
will figure that out also, but how much longer it will take is the big
question.I believe Pelosi and Schumer think this will help their
chances in the 2020 election, and that they are desperate for
something/anything to attack Trump with.The newly elected House
members are still reeling that Hillary wasn't elected, and they will,
apparentally, be carrying that baggage for quite some time.This
misinformation campaign isn't likely to help their chances in 2020!
""He does not have plans to back down and will continue on the current
shutdown strategy for as long as it takes," Larsen said."
Trump doesn't ever have plans for anything. He has fantasies. Nobody is
going to pressure McAdams, or anyone else to support Trump's wall, or
shutdown. Trump needs to open our government and go collect the cash that he
promised Mexico would pay. Hurry up Mueller.
Make no mistake about it ...... Our POTUS that truly loves this Country and
cares dearly about the safety and well being of it’s legal Citizens will
get his way .....
McAdams may have got'ten more votes then Trump did in the last presidential
election. McAdams doesn't need to worry about Trump.For the
first time in a long-time, Trump was the first republican candidate to get less
then 50% of the Utah vote. That is a loser in anyone's book.
If my boss got on the phone with 800 people to try to pressure me rather than
get ME on the phone, that boss would be cowardly in my opinion. I
would not be eager to make that boss's dream come true.
How incredibly hypocritical this president is: "he will not change his mind
on the border wall and ask(s) them to put pressure on their Democratic
representatives in Congress to negotiate."He won't
negotiate but everyone else should?
Nobody wants a wall, Trump! Even your own constituents have spoken! (RE:
GoFundMe article--0.4% of total funded). Re-open the government!