Trump to Utah: Put pressure on Democrats, McAdams over border wall

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  • pragmatistferlife Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2019 4:34 p.m.

    Watching63 "$5 billion is not even a down payment to build a “wall” on the border. Everybody know that"

    Let me say this more clearly Watching..this is not about 5 billion dollars. The Democrats offered him 25 billion a year ago for a DACA fix. This is about rejecting the notion that the "wall" represents, that illegal immigrants are what is wrong with America.

    Democrats want secure boarders and have voted a myriad of times for fences, personnel, technology etc., however they also are fully aware that 99.9% (my number) of immigrants who came here illegally are hard working, honest human beings, and that the Trump rant about rapists, murders, and criminals is a political stunt to divide and conquer. This does not even count the fact that a thousand mile 30 foot wall does nothing to stop drugs and the caravans of asylum seekers.

    Negotiate about what reality requires for boarder security, it's been done dozens of times before but never with a President holding the American people as hostage.

  • cityboy Farmington, UT
    Jan. 16, 2019 4:30 p.m.

    The only way this impasse is broken is for a deal to give Trump his $5B for “border security” to spend as he will, and for Trump to agree to provide a pathway to citizenship for the dreamers.

    Trump owns this fiasco. His wall is a political statement not a deterent to curtail illegal immigration. If he really wanted to make a dent in the latter he would heavily fine or shut down employers who hire illegal immigrants and search out and deport those overstaying their tourist visas. Trump’s approach is purely one of theatrics and bluster.

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2019 2:48 p.m.

    Me to trump:

    No. I will continue to pressure him to never give in to this useless monument to yourself.

  • Lia , 00
    Jan. 16, 2019 11:25 a.m.

    Hey trump!
    This is Utah.
    Go away.

  • Wasatch Jack Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2019 11:20 a.m.

    Utah to Trump: Get help, you clearly have some issues. Anyone that has lived on the border can tell you walls don't work.

  • fmcgillicutty Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2019 9:30 a.m.

    make america great, by building walls, instead of infrastructure?!
    c'mon people, pull you heads out of the sand, and quit buying into the trump fear machine.
    make your representatives work for YOU, not trump.

  • Watching63 ,
    Jan. 16, 2019 8:33 a.m.

    $5 billion is not even a down payment to build a “wall” on the border. Everybody know that. This is simply a ego-centered stunt that has no significant impact on our border security. We need comprehensive immigration reform in which adults sit down and agree on a meaningful plan. This president is incapable of leading us to such a position.

  • just kidding right? , 00
    Jan. 16, 2019 8:30 a.m.

    Building a wall will not stop illegal immigration. If we want to stop illegal immigration, take away the incentives that bring them here. Do not give them free programs, nor special deals on housing that most of our legal citizens can't get. Do not allow their kids to attend our schools. Do not waive tuition at colleges for them. Do not let them benefit from free food programs nor free medical treatment. Even if one of their children was born here, they are a product of illegal activity. We do not let a bank robbers family keep stolen money nor should we hesitate to deport a family even if some of them were born here. Oh, and absolutely shut down businesses that are know to hire illegal immigrants and put the business owner in prison. It makes much more sense to take away the incentives rather than build a wall.

  • pragmatistferlife Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2019 8:29 a.m.

    There still seems to be willful blindness on the right between fencing and barrier structures where appropriate, and "the wall".

    "The wall" as a physical structure has morphed over time from a big beautiful 30 foot cement structure all across our southern boarder, to a steel slat wall, to various other proto types of high structures.

    As a symbol it has never changed. It is still (regardless of material) a 30 foot high structure that covers most of our southern border including land that is now held privately. This is far different both structurally and symbolically from the fencing/wall that is in place and has been previously approved.

    Everyone wants our boarders secured. The vast majority of Americans including those most immediately effected, and the experts don't want "the wall" either as a structure or as a symbol. They want realistic tools and deterrents.

    It was hilarious watching Trump at the boarder standing where he wants his wall and saluting as a helicopter flew over his couldn't have made up that irony.

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2019 7:53 a.m.

    No. Does no work for you donald? I realize you have never heard that word before but get use to it.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Jan. 16, 2019 7:11 a.m.

    He may represent my district, but he doesn't live in it. So by default he'll listen to his east side cronies and not us poor folk that live in his district. Build the wall.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Jan. 16, 2019 7:00 a.m.

    If all those government employees being forced to work without pay simply refused to show up, the shutdown would end in a heart beat. Can you imagine the public outcry if all air-traffic suddenly ceased for the duration?

  • Wasatch Al South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 10:52 p.m.

    Trump has no concern for government workers and seems to despise them. He has shown over and over that he has no empathy for anyone.

    While at the border last week, a border agent told him tunnels were being dug under the walls already there. Drones can carry drugs over any wall. He is fighting a losing fight that should ensure his defeat in 2000.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 9:16 p.m.

    McAdams' voters didn't send him there to build a wall and there's plenty of people in the middle who don't think a shutdown is an appropriate strategy to use for pitching a partisan fight.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 9:06 p.m.

    Both parties and Trump have a need to be right and it is not working.

    Dems are wrong to say no wall right from the get-go. Big mistake by Pelosi. Doung this to spite Trump because they can't stand him only made Trump and some Republicans dig in even more. Dems need to compromise on some wall or barrier in some areas where it is deemed appropriate. Even Obama, their hero, did some wall building and many deportations. Most presidents have. They also need to stop pushing for too far left policies. They need to manage the extremists in their party.

    Republicans need to compromise on how much wall or barrier, be open to looking at other types of border control options as well like beefing up the Coast Guard, air traffic, and technological monitoring of the border. Also, be open to a path for citizenship for the DACA kids that do not have a criminal history and understand if they do engage in criminal behavior their legal status can be revoked. Dreamers without criminal history should be offered the same deal.

    If both sides were open to these compromises, they could have the gov't up and running again rather than punishing American citizens who had no control over the shutdown.

  • A W Benjamin, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 9:06 p.m.

    Considering that the Senate last year voted 100-0 on the same funding bill that the House in the current session of Congress passed, and that Senator McConnell is obstinately preventing from being voted on in the Senate now, I think we can see where the real obstruction is.

    Fellow Utahns, let us rather contact our senators Lee (202-224-5444) and Romney (202-224-5251) and tell them that their majority leader needs to allow the legislation to come to a vote, or else be replaced by a new majority leader who recognizes the duty of Congress in passing legislation.

    Simply allowing a vote will almost certainly resolve the shutdown: even if the president vetoes it, Congress is sure to override the veto and get the government working again. Senate Republicans need to face the truth: they have the power to resolve this situation, and need to act.

  • Biscuit , 00
    Jan. 15, 2019 8:51 p.m.

    We need border security, lets get it going.

  • kshean Charleston, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 8:11 p.m.

    "Any sensible person can understand that walls work." Did walls work for China? For Berlin? For the Sumerians? For any number of civilizations, both ancient and modern, who have constructed them only to see them fall? Trump seems to believe that the wall in the HBO series "Game of Thrones" is a symbol for his wall. He has failed to notice that fictional wall has been a failure. Of course, walls do work in houses, around property lines, as decoration or even as monuments, but for keeping out anyone determine to get in, they are not the best way. Tunnels can and are dug. Ropes and ladders can and are used. Any number of methods are available to breech a wall. That does not mean a barrier of some sort isn't a useful part of any kind of border protection, but to believe that a wall along the entire southern border of our country will be the answer to drug and immigration problems is naive at best and a monumental boondoggle at worst. Use our tax dollars for border protection based on all available methods, not on the demand of one man who wants "his" wall built in order to prop up his outlandish ego.

  • Homemaker Highland, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 7:52 p.m.

    Tell Ben McAdams to get a backbone and vote against any taxpayer funding of abortion, whether in our country or elsewhere. No compromise if it means funding abortion! Ben could distinguish himself by taking a stand to protect our country, as well as the unborn, instead of going along with his party, who so often seem to have their priorities twisted.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 6:08 p.m.

    I will concede that Trump SHOULD have had Mexico pay for the wall.

    I will also concede that Trump should have convinced the previous Congress to make it happen before this point.

    But I WON'T concede that the wall is not needed.

    Any sensible person (notwithstanding the political rhetoric from the left)can understand that walls work.

    Any sensible person can see that 5 billion (to start)to protect the borders of OUR country is money well spent.

    If people want to see the government shutdown end, they need to email those House members (who are only following orders from Pelosi and Schumer),and urge them to give the wall serious consideration.

    I don't see Trump backing down. I suspect the new House members will figure that out also, but how much longer it will take is the big question.

    I believe Pelosi and Schumer think this will help their chances in the 2020 election, and that they are desperate for something/anything to attack Trump with.

    The newly elected House members are still reeling that Hillary wasn't elected, and they will, apparentally, be carrying that baggage for quite some time.

    This misinformation campaign isn't likely to help their chances in 2020!

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 5:42 p.m.

    ""He does not have plans to back down and will continue on the current shutdown strategy for as long as it takes," Larsen said."

    Trump doesn't ever have plans for anything. He has fantasies. Nobody is going to pressure McAdams, or anyone else to support Trump's wall, or shutdown. Trump needs to open our government and go collect the cash that he promised Mexico would pay. Hurry up Mueller.

  • pacmidmajor Springville, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 5:23 p.m.

    Make no mistake about it ...... Our POTUS that truly loves this Country and cares dearly about the safety and well being of it’s legal Citizens will get his way .....

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 5:00 p.m.

    McAdams may have got'ten more votes then Trump did in the last presidential election. McAdams doesn't need to worry about Trump.

    For the first time in a long-time, Trump was the first republican candidate to get less then 50% of the Utah vote. That is a loser in anyone's book.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 4:54 p.m.

    If my boss got on the phone with 800 people to try to pressure me rather than get ME on the phone, that boss would be cowardly in my opinion.

    I would not be eager to make that boss's dream come true.

  • ultragrampa Farmington, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 4:49 p.m.

    How incredibly hypocritical this president is: "he will not change his mind on the border wall and ask(s) them to put pressure on their Democratic representatives in Congress to negotiate."

    He won't negotiate but everyone else should?

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Jan. 15, 2019 4:21 p.m.

    Desperation 101.

  • hoch ,
    Jan. 15, 2019 4:20 p.m.

    Nobody wants a wall, Trump! Even your own constituents have spoken! (RE: GoFundMe article--0.4% of total funded). Re-open the government!