GoFundMe will refund $20 million raised for President Donald Trump's border wall. Here's why.

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  • PLM Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 9:23 p.m.

    A survey about the opinion of average Americans about the efficacy of a border wall? Please. Why not query the perimeter experts like the Border Patrol or American military? Unless you’ve lived near the border you have no idea of the lawlessness and crime in the region. Or better yet talk to a family member of a victim of an illegal alien criminal. Build the darn wall we will all be better off, and that includes the poor sick children whose parents drag them illegally across the border. If this bothers you contribute to legit humanitarian efforts.

  • Nallajazz4 Fairchance, PA
    Jan. 17, 2019 1:52 p.m.

    Someone posted on Facebook. When you go to heaven you must pass thru the pearly gates. Somone also said. Take your door off your house see what happens. This is what I’m saying. I’ve had cancer twice first time when I was 46 second time 51 every day is a journey to me. I just finished paying off my bills from the first time. I think it’s unfair I work and must pay for all my medical needs. And you want to top it off my husband had the widow maker at 50 because he worked his self to death lost his job 2 years ago after 28 years of employment and has more medical condition then I can face every day. But I do because if it was t for people who work what would those who don’t do. We get no help. And I’m tired of helping those who won’t pick there back sides up off a couch I give to those who I know who need even when I did it myself. But this is all out of hand.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Jan. 16, 2019 9:42 a.m.

    I also believe for the immigration system to work, employers must be required to E-verify. This would significantly reduce those here illegally for over-staying their Visas, and reduce the draw for immigrants to cross illegally.

    The goal is to create a safe, successful immigration system that allows people to enter the country for defined purposes, including citizenship. I favor making the system faster, easier, safer, and better.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Jan. 16, 2019 9:44 a.m.

    wgirl,

    Trump speaks poorly of people from Central and S. America, and he wants a big wall. Those are the hangups and issues, am I understanding this correctly?

    How many cross the border illegally each year? They must be getting across somehow, somewhere. Would a barrier reduce that? Is there value in reducing it? I believe those are the real questions we need to ask, not whether Trump's descriptions and size of the wall and the people are the real issue.

    I did not vote for Trump and would like to see him lose the next election in favor of a real conservative Republican. I do, however, see the value of a barrier--it is not safe for parents to take their young children across terrain to try and illegally cross the border. People die doing this. They do it because of the dangers they face remaining in their native country. We need to streamline the immigration system to allow people faster, easier entry. But they need to qualify. There has to be order and structure for a system to work.

    A barrier simply directs people to ports of entry to maintain order and structure. This creates safety for everyone.

  • Paul in MD Montgomery Village, MD
    Jan. 16, 2019 8:57 a.m.

    No wall will solve every immigration or border problem. There are too many other routes. But that doesn't mean the idea should be discarded. Your front door won't stop everyone who wants to get into your house, but you keep it anyway.

    Every illegal immigrant who gets across the border and stays long term does cost the federal government money. I read something about a study that pegs that cost at over $80,000. It said if a wall stops 4% of successful illegal border crossings, it would pay for itself in about 12 years.

    A wall should not be considered the only solution, but can be an effective part of a multi-faceted solution. It would need to include technology, personnel, efforts at the borders and every port of entry.

    Sections of wall built where homeland security and border patrol experts say they need them would go a long way to reducing the number of arrests on our southern border (currently a bit over 300,000 annually), and would allow some redeployment of security personnel to other vulnerable areas, and would eventually pay for itself.

  • Right is Right Everett, WA
    Jan. 16, 2019 6:11 a.m.

    Freiheit
    If you haven’t noticed those caravan members have been finding places to climb over the wall and are dropping their children down to someone who hopefully catches them.

    Many will try to enter without getting caught which means the areas with little or no fencing. Wing here illegally puts them at risk of those who will hire them and pay them almost nothing. They are kept in the shadows and in poverty conditions. I had a neighbor (Latino) who has a construction company. The state got after him when one of his undocumented workers got hurt and he had not been paying state industrial insurance for them. They live in homes he rents. Some people say that “these people do the work no one else will do”. That is what they said about Slavery.

  • wgirl , 00
    Jan. 15, 2019 11:08 p.m.

    @David: "if a wall is so terrible, so immoral, so awful, please explain why Nancy Pelosi and dozens of other Democrats (including Obama, Hillary, Schumer) spoke and voted in support of funding and building a barrier (fence) along our Southern border in 2006."

    Sure. Democrats have always supported border security. When sections of barrier - including walls, fences, etc. - were deemed necessary by security experts, Democrats funded those efforts.

    Trump has described his wall hundreds of times. He wants a 1,000 mile long wall (He first said 2,000 but then went down to 1,000), made of concrete, that is 30 feet high. He always promised that Mexico would pay for this wall.

    He has called Mexicans rapists and murderers but, in mean-girl style added, "I assume some of them are good people." He has dehumanized immigrants. He has claimed they will "invest" us with diseases, and try to hurt us. He doesn't want people coming here from "[vulgarity] - hole countries."

    Trump's wall will not increase our security. Trump's wall is a symbol of fear and hatred.

    If there is a "crisis" then why didn't Trump work with his Republican House and Senate to get his wall in 2017 or 2018?

  • David Centerville, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 8:33 p.m.

    If a wall is so terrible, so immoral, so awful, please explain why Nancy Pelosi and dozens of other Democrats (including Obama, Hillary, Schumer) spoke and voted in support of funding and building a barrier (fence) along our Southern border in 2006.

    If a barrier/wall is so terrible, why has fencing been built in San Diego and had positive impact? I don't hear awful things about the barriers in San Diego. I have heard that the fences there have contributed to a decrease in illegal immigration flow to the area.

    Is the immoral issue the cost of a wall? If so, Democrats are now proposing social programs that will cost $Trillions--free college, guaranteed work, free healthcare for all.

    Is the immoral part of a wall simply that Trump is proposing it? This seems to be the real reason. Oh, and the fact that the liberal base is much, much more extreme now than in 2006.

    Clearly, the real issue for Democrats is not a border barrier, wall, or fence. The real issue is Trump and the extreme elements of the Democrat Party.

    Will a wall solve all immigration problems. No. Will it help?

    This bigger issue is overstaying Visas. How do we solve that one?

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 5:43 p.m.

    Thid Barker - Victor, ID "Apparently there is another caravan forming in Mexico planning on crossing our southern border."
    What happened to the last caravan? It stopped at the border.
    Why did it stop at the border? Because our borders are controlled.

    Trump's wall is for vanity. It wasn't needed to stop caravan #1. It isn't needed for caravan #2.

  • Freiheit Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 4:22 p.m.

    @Right is Right: "A good wall would funnel these people to the ports of entry where they can request asylum and aid. " In case you missed it, the caravan and the families that suffered separation and incarceration were attempting to request asylum at legal ports of entry, not at some wild canyon in the Big Bend country.

  • Joe Hilll Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 3:34 p.m.

    You would think that the fact that these Trump supporters could only muster 2 perecent of the money they were trying to raise and a fraction of 1 percent of the money Trump wants, and that would not be enough to complete the wall, would maybe be a wake up call to how rediculious his request is and how little support there is for it.

  • hoch ,
    Jan. 15, 2019 3:28 p.m.

    @Right is Right: "...One thing no one seems to realize is that we really need the wall in the deserted and sparsely populated areas. The reason being that that is where the drug traffickers go... "

    It's been verified over and over again that vast majority of drugs flood in through the US via ports of entry. Wall won't have any meaningful effect at all.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 2:55 p.m.

    @ Thid Barker

    "Apparently there is another caravan forming in Mexico planning on crossing our southern border."

    You're promoting hysteria at the expense of truth. It may suit your fancy to believe these "caravans" are full of MS-13 gangsters, Middle East terrorists, and swarms of people carrying smallpox and leprosy, but people are tired of the same old talking points. Get more creative.

    @ Thid Barker

    "This is a great idea! My family and I will contribute the money we set aside for our family vacation this summer and consider it money very well spent!"

    This GoFundMe profiteer has a history of making similar wild claims. It seem very fitting that you would send your hard-earned money to this fellow. Good luck with that!

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Jan. 15, 2019 2:20 p.m.

    Fools and their money are soon parted.

  • Right is Right Everett, WA
    Jan. 15, 2019 2:09 p.m.

    If you are against the wall, then don't be two faced and take down the fence around your house and take the doors off the hinges. Everyone should be welcome.

    I know there are problems in many of the countries to our south. Having open boarders is inviting the same problems here.

    One thing no one seems to realize is that we really need the wall in the deserted and sparsely populated areas. The reason being that that is where the drug traffickers go, but more importantly that is where people will try to sneak across. these are people poorly prepared to cross a desert. The are bringing children who are more at risk to Dehydration and the elements.

    A good wall would funnel these people to the ports of entry where they can request asylum and aid.

    Many of these people are good, but we can not allow the bad to come as they want.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 2:04 p.m.

    @Pugman - Tremonton, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 1:14 p.m.
    The government being shut down is not a bad thing folks. Unless of course you rely on them for your handout. I for one am tired of libs and progressives"

    Yeah- or Veterans that need medical handouts. Or Vets that need a VA loan. Or farmers that need their government subsides. Or Red States like Utah that take in more Fed funds than they pay in. Or GOP supporters that rely on Federal firefighters to protect their homes during wildfires. I'm tired of them too.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 1:29 p.m.

    @DN Subscriber
    "Don't believe everything you read.
    I rolled my donation over to the new project, and will probably donate some more. I am willing to help pay for border security."

    This money would be no different than that conservative refrain to liberals who want a tax increase that goes like "if you want to pay more you can always just choose to pay more". But the thing is you can't choose allocation of that money to a specific program. It just goes into the general fund. They could raise 5 billion and send it to the government's general fund but if money isn't allocated for the wall by Congress it's not going to the wall.

    @Thid Barker
    "Of all the illegal aliens arrested last year, drug or immigration offenses accounted for 45 percent of all offenses, and approximately 12 percent (over 6,600 illegal aliens) were arrested for violent offenses such as murder, robbery, assault, and sex-related crimes. Another wave will be at the border any day now! Build the wall!"

    There were 1.28 million violent crimes in the US in 2017.

  • J. Smith Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 1:26 p.m.

    We all knew which way that would go.......

  • Pugman Tremonton, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 1:14 p.m.

    The government being shut down is not a bad thing folks. Unless of course you rely on them for your handout. I for one am tired of libs and progressives

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 15, 2019 1:07 p.m.

    Thid,

    Maybe you could help me with this one little thing I am failing to understand. Before the election the President sent a bunch of troops to the border saying we have a crisis. After the election he brought the troops home, I am assuming because the crisis was over. Now we have a government shutdown because there is a crisis on the border that we just barely brought troops home from.

    Could you help all that make sense for me, because from where I am sitting it looks like the crisis we sent troops to the border for was the Democrats appeared to be pulling ahead in the midterms, and the crisis we now have is that Mueller is closing in on the President and things aren't looking good.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 15, 2019 12:52 p.m.

    Of all the illegal aliens arrested last year, drug or immigration offenses accounted for 45 percent of all offenses, and approximately 12 percent (over 6,600 illegal aliens) were arrested for violent offenses such as murder, robbery, assault, and sex-related crimes. Another wave will be at the border any day now! Build the wall!

  • bachelors of science Brigham City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 12:39 p.m.

    Reading some of these comments it is easy to see why Utah has a big problem with white collar crime and financial fraud.

    Some people will believe just about anything.

  • steve24/7 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 12:33 p.m.

    "A 2018 survey by the Pew Research Center found that a 56 percent majority opposes substantially expanding the wall along the U.S.-Mexico border."

    Who in the world are they surveying?? People in San Francisco, NYC and Mexico?

  • Elsleuith Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 12:27 p.m.

    There are a lot of other solutions to securing our border. A wall is contentious and if built would remain so. Secure the border, but not with a wall. Use technology, use manpower, use creativity and initiative. The US can do this without a symbolic wall.

  • Lester L. Wester , 00
    Jan. 15, 2019 12:16 p.m.

    You can't fool all the people all the time, but you can fool some of the people some of the time- and that's enough to make a living." W.C. Fields

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 12:03 p.m.

    Thid Barker claims: "Apparently there is another caravan forming in Mexico planning on crossing our southern border."

    You mean like the last one that evaporated right about the time the election was over?

    Besides all the lies about the other caravan by right wing nationalists were just that lies, why would we believe this conveniently contrived crisis your pushing?

    The fear factor version of the GOP is going to go into high gear, as more corruption is exposed in this administration.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 11:55 a.m.

    There's a sucker born every minute- P.T Barnum.
    A fool and his money are soon parted- ancient proverb.

    Both are definitely applicable here.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 11:39 a.m.

    I am disappointed that congress refuses to pass a veto proof bill. I’m disappointed that McConnell who chided Reid is doing the very same thing that Reid did.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 11:34 a.m.

    Today, McConnell *again* blocked a House bill to reopen the government from coming up for debate on the Senate floor. They could override Trump's veto, the Republicans just don't want to.

    This is no longer a Trump shutdown.

    This is solely a Republican shutdown.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 15, 2019 11:16 a.m.

    Apparently there is another caravan forming in Mexico planning on crossing our southern border. Democrats plan: use drones but drones will not stop illegal criminals from entering our country, but a wall will!

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 11:10 a.m.

    Don't believe everything you read.
    I rolled my donation over to the new project, and will probably donate some more. I am willing to help pay for border security.

    The Deseret News is becoming more of a repeater of stuff from the terribly biased and often unreliable sources like CNN, the Pew Foundation and the New York Times. If I wanted "fake news" I would subscribe to them, instead of the Deseret News.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 11:00 a.m.

    And I'm building a bridge in the desert. Please donate!

    A fool and his money are soon parted.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 10:58 a.m.

    The gullible may contribute their life savings for the mythological medieval ego enhancement.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 10:44 a.m.

    20 million sounds like a lot, but Trump is asking for 5 billion.
    If 5 billion was a dollar bill, these people raised less than a penny.

  • shamrock Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 10:38 a.m.

    Somehow I'm not surprised me that people who continue to believe President's promises about the wall would also be so eager to send cash to an iffy project.

  • Mack2828 Kenton Vale, KY
    Jan. 15, 2019 10:42 a.m.

    Thank you for this great article. Our family will be making a donation.
    The wall will be a great blessing to our Brothers and Sisters from Mexico and South/Central America. It will help them to "...honor, obey and sustain the law."

  • Rubydo Provo, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 10:36 a.m.

    It’s sad that ordinary US citizens are trying to raise their own hard earned money to build a barrier in order to keep and make themselves feel safe. Trump isn’t building a wall for himself, he’s building it to keep the US safe and the democrats could care less of what kind of bad things result from keeping parts of the border wide open. This is not only a national security issue, it’s a health and safety concern, as well as a financial liability for our country but the democrats who have unlimited funds for everything else in the world can’t budge and give Americans a wall that we need so that we can feel safe and secure. The Dems would rather accommodate and protect illegal immigrants in their sanctuary cities, attack ICE for doing their job and let this problem fester and milk the humanitarian crisis on the border so that it won’t go to waste.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 10:33 a.m.

    Seems like a bit of a con man, no surprise he would be a Trump fan.

    He has a checkered past of accepting donations without any proof he used the funds as he suggested they would be.

    Go fund me has certain rules that try and keep people honest, Me thinks he wants to avoid close scrutiny.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 15, 2019 10:01 a.m.

    This is a great idea! My family and I will contribute the money we set aside for our family vacation this summer and consider it money very well spent!