BYU and Utah extend football series through 2024

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  • Real Ute Dallas, TX
    Jan. 16, 2019 4:19 p.m.

    BYU has had their revenues cut by ESPN drastically 3 times due to horrific Neilsen tv ratings and ESPN is losing so much money now...........what will they offer BYU in 2019? I believe ESPN will drop BYU. They just don't draw or are a factor, travel or popular to anybody.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 16, 2019 2:27 p.m.

    london_josh:

    "You and Naval are going on and on trying to turn 2nd place into 1st place..."

    Not so little bro. It's you and the rest of your jealous, indy-irrelevant WAC-wannabe brethren who keep going on and on trying to turn a 1st-place finish into a 2nd-place one.

    For what it's worth, it's the "Pac-12" who gets to determine Utah's final standing in the Pac-12 South back in 2015. Not the indy-WACers. And seeing as how the Pac-12 recognizes Utah as Pac-12 South co-Champions for 2015, there's nothing more to argue. We win. You lose. And you're still "midmajors forever". Haha!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 16, 2019 7:17 a.m.

    mussingaround - Palo Alto, CA
    Jan. 15, 2019 9:53 p.m.
    Jonnyboy

    What part of the definition of “TIEBREAKER” don’t you understand?

    There is only ONE division champion and U weren’t it.

    Losing the tiebreaker is just like losing a game.

    ------

    LOL

    No, losing a tiebreaker is for postseason seating only.

    It doesn't take away from the FACT that Utah finished tied for 1st in the Division in 2015. In fact, Utah ended up as the best team in the South and 2nd in the P12 that yeat.

    Sorry you are having such a difficult time with this.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Jan. 15, 2019 11:42 p.m.

    John,

    It's a matter of opinion for sure. AP voters gave points on their opinion, USU was #22 and Utah dropped out. The coaches gave their opinions also, USU was #21 and Utah dropped out.

    You can P5 it up all you want, but being in a P5 makes you climb higher in rankings faster and drop out slower. USU loses to ranked BSU and drops out, Utah loses to Washington and stays put.

    Your passion impresses me, and it all comes from your statement about BYU fans:

    "Nobody except the coog AD, and the inumerable coog fans that say "You only won by X points" while claiming the coogs were still better."

    So BYU fans make up excuses about how they were the better team even when they lost?

    Maybe some do, but for Utah, you do that. Hello hypocrisy!

    You and Naval are going on and on trying to turn 2nd place into 1st place and being outside of the rankings is fine because you were inside of the rankings before you were outside of the rankings.

    So next time you want to accuse BYU fans of making excuses, take a good look at yourself. In the absence of a head to head match the logical thing is to look at polls, USU wins.

    I'm not turning into a USU fan, just having fun with your hypocrisy.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Jan. 15, 2019 9:53 p.m.

    Jonnyboy

    What part of the definition of “TIEBREAKER” don’t you understand?

    There is only ONE division champion and U weren’t it.

    Losing the tiebreaker is just like losing a game.

    Even Utah fans understand this concept when they claim that the Utes will be in the driver’s seat for winning the division championship by beating USC, because the Utes will own the tiebreaker.

    See, U do understand the concept, you’re just not willing to accept it when the Utes are on the losing side of the tiebreaker.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Jan. 15, 2019 9:38 p.m.

    JohnInSLC - Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 8:48 p.m.
    “So pick one team - who's better, USU or Utah this year?”

    london-josh:

    “Like I said, it’s a matter of opinion.”

    Nope!

    It’s not even debatable.

    Utah State finish ranked in both major polls.

    Utah was unranked in both major polls.

    Unless you’re a crimson bubbler who refuses to accept reality...

    Utah State was better!

    Period.

  • Nice Leather Pants ,
    Jan. 15, 2019 9:36 p.m.

    We all know the Pac 10 is the premiere conference in college football. The cougars don’t stand against leather pants and his army. Once we get Tyson Huntley, Chase Hanson, and Britney Covey back BYU is finished. Nice Leather Pants signing out.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 8:48 p.m.

    “So pick one team - who's better, USU or Utah this year?”

    london-josh-er:

    Like I said, it’s a matter of opinion. Why does that bother you? To me, their loss to a half-decent (but clearly overrated) P5 team showed who they really were, not their blowout wins over the likes of UNLV and UNM and North Texas. Had Utah played the Aggies, I would have liked our chances. I suspect Vegas would have too. Despite the sudden promotion of USU, your opinion can’t help them do what your team clearly couldn’t.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 8:44 p.m.

    “Utah finished with the same conference record, but lost the tiebreaker . . . U finished 2nd”

    mussedupcoog :

    What part of the definition of “TIE” don’t you understand?

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Jan. 15, 2019 6:10 p.m.

    Navelvet

    “In no sport ever was "tied for 1st" = "2nd place". You just made that up. How frantic and emotional of you”

    The only making things up is U.

    Utah didn’t “tie” for 1st, Utah finished with the same conference record, but LOST the tiebreaker, decisively, to the team that won the division championship.

    By definition, if you didn’t win the division championship, U finished 2nd.

    Division champions play in the conference championship game...

    and Utah played couch potato during the CCG.

    End of story.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Jan. 15, 2019 4:46 p.m.

    John,

    I'm a football fan. I've always been a fan of USU and Utah and BYU, having BYU as my favorite didn't force me to hate the other teams, few BYU fans feel bad blood towards the aggies anyway.

    Perhaps the emotions of a rivalry are different for different people.

    But you punted on my question.

    I asked who's the better team - you almost sound like Naval making 1st place tied but losing the tie breaker equal to actually being first place.

    The CFP ranks teams prior to the bowl games to get to the CFP, it's not an "end of the season ranking" and omits the bowl game. I've heard non-stop from Utah fans about the importance of finishing the season ranked, USU did, Utah didn't.

    Are you bold enough to disagree with 65 sportwriters and broadcasters from across the nation who know that Utah is a P5 which carries a ranking benefit in prestige and visibility yet choose USU to be ranked and they absolutely consider SOS.

    So pick one team - who's better, USU or Utah this year?

    Can you give a clear answer as a football fan?

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 3:35 p.m.

    "who's got the argument to claim be the better team this year?"

    london-josh-er:

    Both. USU because of their end ranking (although not CFP). Utah because of theIr SOS. But since they didn't play, its all a matter of opinion.

    It's funny, though, that all you coog fans have adopted the Aggies as your new Team B.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 15, 2019 2:55 p.m.

    UoU 1991:

    "Sorry, big total FAIL!...There can only be ONE division champion, and U weren’t it....U lost the tiebreaker and hence finished SECOND!"

    Sorry little bro. That's a big total FAIL for YOU! There is not now, nor had there EVER been, any rule barring ties at either the Division OR Conference level. It's like I'd already told you: the "tiebreaker" didn't determine who'd won the Pac-12 South. All it did was determine which of the two Pac-12 South champions would represent the South in the CCG.

    In no sport ever was "tied for 1st" = "2nd place". You just made that up. How frantic and emotional of you.

    Your tears are delicious!

    Midmajors forever.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Jan. 15, 2019 1:23 p.m.

    "It's a no-win situation for Utah"

    Fans claim that to score rivalry rip points here - but you are here and paying attention to this, so what's that all about?

    The comments prove otherwise.

    BYU-Utah made headlines for a crazy good game this year.

    In the last 8 losses, all but one have come down to the wire.

    In opening up for the Utah bowl game Utah's season was described as having won the PAC-south, and they beat their rival BYU.

    This is frequently said - does anybody actually believe it?

    You are right that it doesn't really matter much for in-state recruiting, but people pretending that the game means nothing while commenting on it are just being ridiculous. We all know each other in here, that's because rte rivalry is very much alive and well and the only reason to put down the rivalry in here is to use it as an ironic tool to put rival opponents down.

    If the rivalry meant nothing and there was nothing to gain, this article wouldn't have all of these comments on it.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Jan. 15, 2019 1:17 p.m.

    John,

    The AD is the biggest cheerleader at BYU - his job is to promote BYU sports - what do you expect him to say?

    Utah's AD says the same thing in different words. Did Harlan hold a press conference after Utah looked horrible in the PAC championship game and say "yeah, we don't deserve to be there" or did Utah, and it's fans, point out that a defensive turnover was needed to win the game and point at a potential PI call (which was close but I wouldn't have thrown that flag) as the reason for a loss.

    It's the same thing - you guys do it too. different words and circumstances.

    As for people calling BYU the better team when we lose - I have and will always disagree with them - but I don't know who they are so I can't disagree with them.

    The better team is the team that wins. They can win by 30 points or 1 point and it can be dominating or a fluke, the better team is the team that won.

    Question for you, USU was ranked at the end of the season, Utah wasn't, since there was no game between the two, who's got the argument to claim be the better team this year?

    I would say in the state it's USU, Utah, then BYU - what's your opinion?

  • Lester L. Wester , 00
    Jan. 15, 2019 12:46 p.m.

    Gandalph: "“There are a lot of Utah fans who don't want to play BYU any longer.”
    Give me one legitimate reason why."

    It's a no-win situation for Utah. Utah has beaten BYU-P and subsequently dropped in the polls and by double figures in the SoS. Everything to lose if they get beat and nothing to gain when you win, plus, it no longer has any effect on in-state recruitment for Utah.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 15, 2019 12:35 p.m.

    JohnInSLC - Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 11:36 a.m.
    re: "Nobody celebrates losses"

    “Nobody except the BYU AD, and the inumerable Cougars fans that say "You only won by X points”

    That’s not “celebrating” a loss, it’s simply disputing Ute fan hubris that a 1-point win is a dominating win.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Jan. 15, 2019 12:20 p.m.

    Johnny Boy,

    It is going to be soooo great to spend at least the next six years, and most probably until one or both of us leave this world, sharing conversation and our love of this great rivalry game.

    Rise and Shout John-Boy.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 11:36 a.m.

    "Nobody celebrates losses"

    london-josh-er:

    Nobody except the coog AD, and the inumerable coog fans that say "You only won by X points" while claiming the coogs were still better.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Jan. 15, 2019 11:26 a.m.

    SoonerUte,

    Not random, or specific. It is a rational prediction based on past performance by ESPN. Yes they are losing subscribers, but still need to fill time at a price they can afford. The first contract was a bargain compared to some of the others and over the life of the contract (not just one down year) their return on investment was greater than most of the conference contracts. I don't think I am stretching, in fact I believe have under estimated to be safe. 8 months from now we will see.

    Rise and Shout!!

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Jan. 15, 2019 11:10 a.m.

    These boards are like political debates, I don't see people celebrating margins of loss ever in here. A loss is a loss.

    That being said, one can be proud of a losing team although it lost.

    BYU at the Vegas bowl, I was so proud to be a BYU fan that day. We lost, yet I was a proud fan.

    This year it was an amazing game. We lost, but I liked the game, as a fan of football it was epic.

    In 2016 and 2017, I wasn't as proud. Those games I felt like BYU was lucky to make it a close game, I still wore blue but I wasn't thrilled with how BYU played.

    It's not a margin, it's momentum and whether or not your team gave you a performance that you'll enjoy and remember.

    What are the margins of loss in the games where I was proud to be a BYU fan listed above - 7 and 8, and the margins of the losses that are more forgettable were 1 and 6. So the ones I liked my team the best in, are the games where even a late TD would not have secured a win.

    most of the claims about the margin of loss celebration stem from rebuttals about how Utah "dominated" BYU - the Holy war has a long history of close games, that's why it's a good series.

    Nobody celebrates losses - but some of us are loyal fans.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 15, 2019 11:03 a.m.

    @Ute-wanna-be

    Unlike the frantic and emotional claims of the haters, BYU’s lack of a P5 invite has absolutely NOTHING to do with the quality of BYU’s football and other athletic programs.

    -----------

    Where did I say it was? Stop being so frantic and emotional.

    I said BYU does not meet P5 league standards, athletics are just part of those standards.

    Having 0 BCS wins and 0 CFP rankings like New Mexico State doesn't help boost your national football cred. If you're still confused, ask your volleyball teams how national cred works.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 10:58 a.m.

    jello is good "not only will we sign a new contract with ESPN for an additional 5 years, but it will be for a financial bump of at least 25%."
    Wow, that comment seems rather specific and random at the same time. ESPN is losing subscribers, but a bump from 6 to 7.5 million isn't crazy in the grand scheme of things. It does sound better described as a percentage.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 15, 2019 10:57 a.m.

    Uteanymous - Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 15, 2019 10:16 a.m.
    Utemythology

    Utah finished 2nd in the State

    Where would you like your cookie sent?

    --------------

    Why? Did I claim that it was an accomplishment?

    BYU went from 5th to 3rd in the State, a major accomplishment. You should keep the cookie.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Jan. 15, 2019 10:51 a.m.

    This is one of the best rivalries in the nation. The sports people all acknowledge that.

    It's the hateful, obsessive, crude, and emotionally weak 'fans' who bring out any negativity with it.

    Let the game continue!

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    Jan. 15, 2019 10:40 a.m.

    It’s sad how religious bigotry that is usually condemned in most circumstances, is openly supported by some when it comes to athletic conference membership.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 15, 2019 10:20 a.m.

    Utemythology

    Realistic and honest viewers will agree that the one major stumbling block to major conference inclusion revolves around Sunday play. The Y will NEVER alter that principal just to gain entrance.

    ——

    No! The major stumbling block is that no major conference wants BYU.

    Major conferences will not alter their standards for BYU.

    ——-

    Unlike the frantic and emotional claims of the haters, BYU’s lack of a P5 invite has absolutely NOTHING to do with the quality of BYU’s football and other athletic programs.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 15, 2019 10:16 a.m.

    Utemythology

    Utah finished 2nd in the State

    Where would you like your cookie sent?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 15, 2019 10:07 a.m.

    At top of the world

    That slant comes up on pretty much every single Utah/BYU article from someone. It’s a Cop out in my opinion.. You are definitely not a Utah hater. Your comments are well thought out, civil and never pointed. That’s nice for a change. Thanks for the question, response and dialogue. Have a good one buddy

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 15, 2019 10:02 a.m.

    @top

    Realistic and honest viewers will agree that the one major stumbling block to major conference inclusion revolves around Sunday play. The Y will NEVER alter that principal just to gain entrance.

    ------------------

    No! The major stumbling block is that no major conference wants BYU.

    Major conferences will not alter their standards for BYU.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 9:59 a.m.

    Why not BYU schedule u on Thanksgiving weekend. U won the Pac12 South Division 2018. Play too many pac12 games in November is not good thing. U need to play early pac games and rest at end of November with BYU. That way u will be better prepare for PAC12 Conference Title. BYU came close to beating u last time. Anyway enjoy another runner up or worse in the south division.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 15, 2019 9:53 a.m.

    PACute_ - Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 15, 2019 9:06 a.m.
    Utemythology

    BYU has the longest bowl winning streak in in State.

    Utah has the longest bowl losing streak in the State.

    ---------------

    Do you want me to send you a cookie?

  • Jello is Good ,
    Jan. 15, 2019 9:49 a.m.

    Some keep confusing this "margin of victory" thinking somehow a person could claim a loss is somehow a win. There are only three outcomes to a game: win, loss, or tie.

    But when assessing the state of your program, how you lose or win can help you to know how far away you are.

    Imagine you are arguing who makes more money. If Bob makes $20,000 a year and Mary makes $22,000 a year, then there is no argument. Mary makes more. But if Sam makes $100,000 a year, although he and Mary both make more than Bob, Sam is not even comparable. Whereas Bob and Mary are relatively close.

    Can't wait for August.

    Rise and Shout!!

  • top of the world ,
    Jan. 15, 2019 9:27 a.m.

    Spokane Ute...how many BYU fans claim satisfaction in close losses? Maybe a couple, perhaps as many as four or five? How can you look at such a meager sampling and then attribute those few conclusions to the millions of Y supporters? For the record, I am a Y fan (though not a U of U hater) and I feel a loss is a loss, be it a shellacking or a game lost by one point. Utah has taken the Y down eight straight times. That is not a pleasant reality for Y fans. Unless we get into a major conference I'm not one who will claim we will ever win another of the rivalry games. That is due solely to recruiting advantages. Nevertheless, those games need to continue. If...a very big 'if'...we are ever invited to join a major conference, the wins will come our way.

    Realistic and honest viewers will agree that the one major stumbling block to major conference inclusion revolves around Sunday play. The Y will NEVER alter that principal just to gain entrance. I would think such a stand for basic beliefs would be respected and even admired by those who currently enjoy the privilege of playing in the PAC, my favorite conference.

    Good on the leaders of these two universities. Play on!

  • PACute_ Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 15, 2019 9:06 a.m.

    Utemythology

    BYU has the longest bowl winning streak in in State.

    Utah has the longest bowl losing streak in the State.

  • estreetshuffle Window Rock, AZ
    Jan. 15, 2019 8:43 a.m.

    Great! Excellent! Superb! The right decision!! On another note how come Albuquerque gets a bowl game and no bowl games in Utah? Hmmm

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 15, 2019 8:37 a.m.

    Utemythology

    Why are Utah fans so desperate to claim that a single score win is a dominating win?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 15, 2019 6:53 a.m.

    @M&M

    The thing that frustrates Utah fans like you is that in spite of Utah’s 8 straight wins, U can’t legitimately claim “dominance”, because 7 of the 8 were one score squeakers.

    -----

    Why would Cougar Nation's 8 stright "margin of defeat" moral victories frustrate Ute Nation?

    Why do you keep confusing laughter with frustration?

    BYU is 3rd in State.
    SAD!

  • Jello is Good ,
    Jan. 15, 2019 5:14 a.m.

    Some fanatics on both sides need a reality check.

    Extending this game cements the fact that most fans on both sides and the national media want this. It's good for both programs financially, for recruiting and entertainment value. And if the true big money donors at Utah were really against it, it would not have been extended. REALITY

    BYU fans that claim BYU is currently as good as Utah also need to face reality. The past eight games have been entertaining and all but one decided by one score, but we still lost all eight. Utah is better right now.

    BYU fans: the PAC 12 may be down right now and in football the least competitive of the P5's, but we would love to join Utah as members. Don't trash the conference just because you are not mature enough to accept their good fortune.

    And to a few Utah fans who would like to dance on BYU's grave, our sports programs are not going away. We are financially strong, competitive and national leaders in almost all sports, and have a strong national brand that is only expanding.

    Finaly not only will we sign a new contract with ESPN for an additional 5 years, but it will be for a financial bump of at least 25%.

    Rise and Shout!

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Jan. 14, 2019 11:29 p.m.

    An article that could have been written on a napkin - and it blows up the comments page. Just more proof that a whole lot of people love this rivalry!

  • toosmartforyou Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 11:00 p.m.

    So now tie breakers don't count? Bwahahahahaha--what a manufactured reason for avoiding having to say you didn't win the championship and thus didn't go to the game where the north/south champions play to determine the conference champion.

    This year you did manage to back into it when Az State laid an egg in Oregon. But remind us, how'd that mighty U offense do against the Huskey's? How'd they do in their Holiday Bowl game? (Hint: Utah has never won the Holiday Bowl, nor have their ever been to the Rose Bowl.)
    You're in fact on a 2-game losing streak, aren't you? Try and manufacture a reason to say that isn't a fact----(this is going to be good; we're waiting...)

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    Jan. 14, 2019 10:20 p.m.

    AZUTE1 - Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 14, 2019 9:27 p.m.
    “After we make it 14 straight, byu will voluntarily go away, as they should.”

    Only in your dreams.

    After losing the next 6, Utah will be frantic to turn the tide.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 14, 2019 9:27 p.m.

    After we make it 14 straight, byu will voluntarily go away, as they should.

    Go Utes!

  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 5:33 p.m.

    Naval Vet - Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 14, 2019 5:21 p.m.
    Road Runner:

    “Utah LOST the tiebreaker, decisively, AND finished with a LOSING record against PAC 12 South teams.”

    Fail. You have NO legitimate argument. Even your “spin” falls flat on its face. The bottom line here is…

    1. Did Utah – or did Utah NOT – finish the 2015 season with a 6-3 record?

    Answer: We did.

    2. Did a Pac-12 South team finish the 2015 season with a 7-2 record or better?

    Answer: No.

    ———

    Sorry, big total FAIL!

    There can only be ONE division champion, and U weren’t it.

    U lost the tiebreaker and hence finished SECOND!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 14, 2019 5:21 p.m.

    Road Runner:

    “Utah LOST the tiebreaker, decisively, AND finished with a LOSING record against PAC 12 South teams.”

    Fail. You have NO legitimate argument. Even your “spin” falls flat on its face. The bottom line here is…

    1. Did Utah – or did Utah NOT – finish the 2015 season with a 6-3 record?

    Answer: We did.

    2. Did a Pac-12 South team finish the 2015 season with a 7-2 record or better?

    Answer: No.

    Ergo, Utah DID win a share of the Pac-12 South title with USC – who like Utah, finished with a 6-3 league record. We didn’t play in the CCG because we lost that tie-breaker, but the tie-breaker only determined which Pac-12 South champion would play in that game. Not which team won the Pac-12 South title. How miserable for you. Haha!

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 4:42 p.m.

    @Lone*Star - Austin, TX

    "The BYU-Utah game was on FS1
    The BSU-USU game was on ESPN

    Many college football fans don’t even have FS1"

    ALL college football fans have FS1, only the pretenders don't

  • SorryNotSorry Draper, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 4:10 p.m.

    Clemson (ACC) - South Carolina (SEC)
    Florida St (ACC) - Florida (SEC)
    Georgia Tech (ACC) - Georgia (SEC)
    Iowa (Big 10) - Iowa St (Big 12)
    Navy (AAC) - Army (Indy)
    Notre Dame (Indy) - Stanford/USC (Pac-12)
    BYU (Indy) - Utah (Pac 12)

    Long standing rivalries between foes not in the same conference. I'm grateful for AD's who see the value in traditional rivalries (and for anyone else with a say so that throws their weight around to ensure these games keep happening).

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 14, 2019 4:00 p.m.

    MRM

    Congrats on your close loses, you sure take pride in losing and that’s Awesome! Only fan base I know that takes this strange and unusual position

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    Jan. 14, 2019 4:01 p.m.

    SoonerUte

    “Nationally, more viewers tuned in for Boise-USU that weekend, because the game had meaning (conference standings), and both teams were ranked. BYU-Utah was mostly local interest,”

    yawn

    The BYU-Utah game was on FS1
    The BSU-USU game was on ESPN

    Many college football fans don’t even have FS1

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Jan. 14, 2019 3:50 p.m.

    Too bad. Nothing for the Utes to gain by this. Quite a bit to lose. Harlan should have been smarter.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 3:33 p.m.

    Old ball coach "it’s great match up...so does ESPN, Fox, and so do college football fans outside the state. "
    Nationally, more viewers tuned in for Boise-USU that weekend, because the game had meaning (conference standings), and both teams were ranked. BYU-Utah was mostly local interest, with the visiting team returning unsold tickets. Still, the series won't end until BYU taps out. As long as the game is the highlight of the season for Tom Holmoe, it will continue.

    It is nice to have the game back in it's traditional spot at the start of the season. Plus, the game won't have to be rescheduled when BYU rejoins the MWC or "takes Boise State with us" to the AAC.

  • Kaladin Northern, CO
    Jan. 14, 2019 3:32 p.m.

    I don't understand how people think others are bad people for just being fans of the rival team. Both fan bases claim the other fan base is irrational and rude. Comments from each side are very similar, but somehow the comments of the rival team are seen as bad and the comments from their fan base are not. Why do we let sports and politics cloud our ability to see such silliness? Put all that aside and you'll find that most people care about very similar things. The rivalry goes on - I call for more civility from both fan bases.

  • MRM Layton, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 3:19 p.m.

    SpokaneUte

    “Thanks for proving my point. Like I said Utah gains nothing from this series.”

    Yet, U continue to schedule FCS opponents every year?

    What exactly do U get out of beating up on #110 Weber St, except for a guaranteed home win?

    The thing that frustrates Utah fans like you is that in spite of Utah’s 8 straight wins, U can’t legitimately claim “dominance”, because 7 of the 8 were one score squeakers.

    And let’s not forget that BYU is usually a better win for Utah than several of Utah’s PAC 12 opponents

    Per Sagarin,

    #63 BYU in 2018 was better than
    #65 Arizona
    #71 UCLA
    #72 Colorado

    In other words, BYU was BETTER than over half of your PAC 12 South opponents.

    #45 ASU
    #51 USC

    weren’t much better.

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 2:58 p.m.

    @Holy-Schamoly-What Baloney
    " You didn't hear Cougar fans calling for dropping the u"

    You must be very young. y fans lamented playing Utah but did not have a choice due to conference affiliation.

    To all you y fans calling Utah fans/program arrogant, please remember that Utah has NEVER demanded a 2:1 with an instate school. Utah is in a P5 and still schedules 1:1 for every FBS team played. The same cannot be said for byu, please explain the contradiction thou high and mighty. For those of you too young to remember the previous decade here is a primer, byu would only schedule USU on a 2:1 deal.
    Please reconcile your proclaimed humility with the arrogance of actions.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 14, 2019 2:49 p.m.

    Naval Vet - Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:40 p.m.

    CG: “You can't compare playing an FCS team with scheduling our little brother down south because the FCS games are ALWAYS in Salt Lake City.”

    More proof that Utah isn’t really interested in upgrading their OOC schedule,

    which is a totally bogus excuse anyway,

    since the only purpose for upgrading your schedule is to improve your prospects for receiving a CFP invite,

    and the Utes are NEVER, EVER, not in the lifetime of any currently living Utah fan, going to be serious contenders for a CFP berth.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 14, 2019 2:42 p.m.

    At Gandolf

    Thanks for proving my point. Like I said Utah gains nothing from this series. Even when Utah wins BYU fans brag about a close loss and alibi. Furthermore, to be perfectly honest BYU doesn’t need the series either, they scheduled pretty tough opponents anyway. I would rather schedule USU, at least their fans are classy.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 14, 2019 2:36 p.m.

    Some.Midmajor.Forever:

    “Honestly, Utes just think too highly of themselves.”

    Said the indy-WACer who thinks his team is “peer” to ours. Typical hypocritical coug.

    “One of my Ute friends says his expectation is the Utes play for the NC every five years, lol.”

    You just made that up. How frantic and emotional of you.

    “You guys win the PAC-12 South for the first time, the last PAC-12 South team to do it, and you did it in the year where two teams in the south were bowl eligible, you and the team you didn't beat, lol. You didn't even end up ranked the year you went to the PAC-12 CCG.”

    It's actually the 2nd time we’d won the Pac-12 South. Don’t forget that we’d also won a share of it back in 2015. In fact, in 2015, Utah DID finish ranked, and FIVE teams from out division played in the postseason. How miserable for you.

    “Most Utah fans I know enjoy the BYU game…”

    You just made that up. How frantic and emotional of you.

    “Lastly, the PAC needs to play 8 conference games a year.”

    That’s about the only sense you’ve made all day. I guess a blind squirrel really WILL eventually find at least ONE every now and then.

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 2:33 p.m.

    navel vet

    “It's actually the 2nd time we’d won the Pac-12 South”

    NOPE!

    Utah LOST the tiebreaker, decisively, AND finished with a LOSING record against PAC 12 South teams.

    And, the only time Utah won their division was when the Utes backed their way into the championship when every other team in the South, except fir the team Utah lost to, finished with a losing record.

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 2:25 p.m.

    navel vet

    “you've invented this alternate universe wherein Utah is afraid of you”

    Talk about living in an alternate universe

    It’s Utah fans who are desperately trying to run away from BYU.

    If Utah is really trying to upgrade their schedule, why hasn’t Utah scheduled a single game against an SEC opponent since the mid-80’s.

    The truth is, Utah is all talk, but no walk, when it comes to scheduling tough OOC opponents, and now, you’re desperately trying to run away from your most consistent quality OOC opponent.

    Let’s not forget that the Michigan team Utah played, after dropping BYU in 2014, finished 5-7. BYU finished 8-5, with wins over Texas, Houston, Virginia and California.

  • Real Ute Dallas, TX
    Jan. 14, 2019 2:15 p.m.

    I sure didn't see this absolute tragedy coming to fruition. Hundreds of thousands from the Utah fan base have written countless letters to curtail Utah from scheduling BYU in all sports. This makes zero sense in any way. BYU offers Utah zero in the 21st century. I'm obviously wrong in my bold, blind claims, but this is a "true" travesty in every regard. We all know who runs Utah, did it yet again, sadly. Oh my goodness?

  • everything is awesome Cedar City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 2:05 p.m.

    It’s hard to imagine a more arrogant, rival obsessed, yet insecure fanbase than exists on the hill.

    Desperately wanting to run away
    from #35 or #56 BYU

    so that they can “upgrade”
    to #54 or #111 Fresno State.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 14, 2019 2:06 p.m.

    Some.Midmajor.Forever:

    “Honestly, Utes just think too highly of themselves.”

    Said the indy-WACer who thinks his team is “peer” to ours. Typical hypocritical coug.

    “One of my Ute friends says his expectation is the Utes play for the NC every five years, lol.”

    You just made that up. How frantic and emotional of you.

    “You guys win the PAC-12 South for the first time, the last PAC-12 South team to do it, and you did it in the year where two teams in the south were bowl eligible, you and the team you didn't beat, lol. You didn't even end up ranked the year you went to the PAC-12 CCG.”

    It's actually the 2nd time we’d won the Pac-12 South. Don’t forget that we’d also won a share of it back in 2015. In fact, in 2015, Utah DID finish ranked, and FIVE teams from out division played in the postseason. How miserable for you.

    “Most Utah fans I know enjoy the BYU game…”

    You just made that up. How frantic and emotional of you.

    “Lastly, the PAC needs to play 8 conference games a year.”

    That’s about the only sense you’ve made all day. I guess a blind squirrel really WILL eventually find at least ONE every now an then.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:57 p.m.

    Jello:

    "Beating BYU 8 straight and PAC $ are the two biggest reasons you dominate the Utah recruiting ...for now."

    Not so. We'd dominated the recruiting well BEFORE we were even INVITED to join the Pac-12. You guys are just in denial as to what the REAL "facts" of the case are. We Ute fans have been telling you all this for YEARS! AND we've shown you the proof too! But the "truth" has been simply too painful for you all, so you've invented this alternate universe wherein Utah is afraid of you, and the final score never dictates who the better team really is.

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:55 p.m.

    Gored

    “The only humorous thing in your statement is the assertion that the fans of a team (Utah) that has beaten the other team (BYU) 8 times in a row, and 13 of the last 16, would be scared to play that team (BYU) again.”

    Don’t kid yourself,

    Utah fans were petrified that the Utes were going to lose to BYU until the final moments of the 2018 game.

  • JSKM1232 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:50 p.m.

    @Oh Really? - Salt Lake City, UT

    @Chris B

    “Nick Sabin agrees with [you] that p5s should only play p5s” and yet Nick Sabin has scheduled Southern Miss, New Mexico State, Western Carolina, Georgia State, Kent State and UT Martin over the next two years. UT Martin?

    Talk is cheap.

    By the way, the SEC counts BYU as a p5 opponent.
    = = = = =
    Yeah, I'll bet Sabin ranks BYU right there with Southern Miss, New Mexico State, Western Carolina, Georgia State and UT Martin!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:50 p.m.

    Just the MYTHS:

    "That’s because they’re all uber BYU haters who desperately want to 'stick it to BYU' without having to prove Utah’s superiority on the field/court."

    What are you talking about little bro? We've ALREADY proven it. Remember? 8 in a row? Did you know that the last time we'd played you, our SOS plummeted 16 spots? The truth is, every time we DO play you, it's the "whY?" who "sticks it to Utah" by tanking our SOS! You're just so midmajory. That's not good for us.

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:45 p.m.

    ArizonaUte

    “There are a lot of Utah fans who don't want to play BYU any longer.”

    Give me one legitimate reason why.

    Don’t even bother with lame, made up excuses like “upgrading” Utah’s schedule or the games no longer being exciting.

    There’s not a team on the planet that Utah fans relish beating or hate losing to more than BYU.

  • GoRed Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:47 p.m.

    @lone star

    "I find it humorous how scared some Utah fans are to play BYU."

    The only humorous thing in your statement is the assertion that the fans of a team (Utah) that has beaten the other team (BYU) 8 times in a row, and 13 of the last 16, would be scared to play that team (BYU) again.

  • JSKM1232 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:45 p.m.

    @Jello is Good - ,
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:47 p.m.
    @JSKM1232 - Sandy, UT

    "Disappointing. Would much rather see a game against a team in our prime recruiting areas of Texas or Florida. This game does absolutely nothing for our recruiting."

    Who are you kidding. Utah is and always will be your prime recruiting area. Beating BYU 8 straight and PAC $ are the two biggest reasons you dominate the Utah recruiting ...for now. If you either stop scheduling BYU or start losing to them on a regular basis this could start to spiral."
    = = = = =
    We don't need to play BYU to recruit in Utah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:46 p.m.

    I would have preferred a Home-&-Home vs. Utah St. At least a win against THEM means something, and if they lose, they accept it, rather than spending the next 12-months whining about how the "better team" lost.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:43 p.m.

    "want to cancel the rivalry so they can claim superiority without having to prove it on the field"

    gandolf:

    We HAVE proved it on the field, and that's the problem.

    58-31-4, 13 of the last 16, and 8 in a row proves the Utes superiority. Despite that, coog fans still claim 'wait til next year', as if they think Lavell and Wayne Howard will walk back thru the door. They're not.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:41 p.m.

    Yes, the Utes fear playing BYU

    --When the Utes had won three straight in this current string, I was still pretty comfortable about playing BYU. No real jitters yet.
    --Then the streak went to five games. And I began to feel real fear. I could hardly watch the game fearing how badly BYU was going to take it out on us. After all, hadn't they done that umm six years ago? It was like a horror version of Ground Hog Day---but the day was only repeated once every half-decade.
    --Then the Utes win their seventh straight. Can I tell you the terror that ghosted me every waking moment? Here's me--"We've beaten them seven straight? Aaaaahhhh! It was like going up the river in Apocalypse Now--don't get out of the boat---do NOT get out of the boat.
    --Well, now the Utes have won eight in a row and I feel like a character in the Blair Witch Project. They are going to capture me and make me stand against the wall. Fear is my constant companion. If the Utes win two or three more, just lock me in a padded room and feed me through a tube.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:40 p.m.

    CG:

    You can't compare playing an FCS team with scheduling our little brother down south because the FCS games are ALWAYS in Salt Lake City. The day the indy-WACers schedule all their games in Salt Lake City...

    ...or quit scheduling them yourselves...

    ...THEN can you call us out for scheduling an FCS team.

    Until then, you're just being a hypocrite.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:37 p.m.

    65TossPowerTrap is correct. This SHOULD have been a 2-for-1. That's the only arrangement where this series is good for BOTH parties involved. A Home-&-Home does nothing for the Utes, but a 2-for-1 gives us at least one more Home game. We should be looking at scheduling Home-&-Homes vs. either a P5 school, or a recruiting-rich location outside of Utah -- like Hawai'i, California, Texas, Louisiana, Florida, or Georgia.

  • Oh Really? Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:34 p.m.

    @Arizona Ute

    “@1) BYU would drop the rivalry if they were in the BigXII. Don't even question it.”

    Highly unlikely. In state rivalries persist everywhere:

    - Florida-Florida State
    - Georgia-Georgia Tech
    - Iowa-Iowa State

    Rivalries are good. Passionate fan bases, TV loves them, long-time and out-of-state fans watch them, the stands are full for them.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:33 p.m.

    From the comments on this board, it seems that forcing Utah to play BYU every year has become a substitute for actually beating Utah.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:35 p.m.

    @Just the FAX - Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2019 11:57 a.m.

    There are a lot of Utah fans who don't want to play BYU any longer. That's true.

    But to paint the entire fan base as BYU haters, is using way to broad a brush. It's just not true.

    I 'd bet that there is MUCH more hatred coming from the BYU side towards Utah than back the other way.

    That alone, is why many Utah fans don't think it's worth it. The more Utah wins, the more the hatred from BYU fans. It's exhausting.

    Utah fans see little upside with lots of downside. If we win, we should have. If we lose, it's a bad loss. Zoobs would be insufferable to boot.

    Utah won't win forever. Football doesn't work that way. I like the rivalry games but I seem to be in the minority of Utah fans this way.

    I also don't care enough to fight to get it back if some program did decide to cancel it.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:34 p.m.

    ". . . during the Lavell Edwards era. You didn't hear Cougar fans calling for dropping the u"

    coog baloney:

    Duh! That's because both schools were in the same conference. But don't let facts get in the way of your re-imagined history lesson.

  • JackRyanSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:25 p.m.

    I just have to say...the comments from Utah fans and BYU fans prove that evolution is real and that many have not evolved. Just like you don't argue politics and religion over Thanksgiving Dinner, this will never be settled because everyone is a "self-proclaimed" objective, rational fan.

    At the end of the day, Ute fans see what they want to see and BYU fans see what they want to see and both sides manufacture stuff to support their argument.

    At the end of the day, I think Utah is a superior program the past several years and I expect it to continue to be for the next several years. Just my opinion. I'm glad the game continues. The only thing I feel strongly about is that the game is played early in the year so it doesn't mess with conference situations like last year.

    BYU fans should also be happy that the game is early in the year, because they won't be as banged up as they would be late in the year....where on average, Utah's depth would favor them late in the season. Also, having the game being a season opener for both teams should bring excitement and energy for both teams to bring it.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:23 p.m.

    So disappointing.

  • Holy-Schamoly-What Baloney Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:27 p.m.

    Everyone wants to end the relationship when they are on top. I recall Whittingham saying he was glad when they didn't need to play Air Force any more. But that's when Air Force regularly throttled the utes. (Remember the year they ran out the clock on themselves in Colorado Springs when they had the ball and AFA won?) Everyone that is, except BYU, who had enough class to just keep their mouths shut and go beat Utah almost every game during the Lavell Edwards era. You didn't hear Cougar fans calling for dropping the u; they just enjoyed beating them, along with earning a NC, which is really the fly-in-the-ointment for the u. They would ignore the Y if the Y hadn't won a NC and they don't have one. Jealousy is a poisonous thing, as observed, since 1984. So these ute comments are hardly anything but the predictable sour grapes, especially since they are on a 2-game losing streak the year they "had the best team ever" and were "going to the Rose Bowl." Wait...that's now the story for next year, isn't it?

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:24 p.m.

    Spokane Ute - Spokane, WA
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:00 p.m.
    “We need to upgrade our nonconference schedule my downgraded. This is disappointing. There’s nothing to gain by playing BYU.”

    That’s a completely bogus, made up excuse.

    If Utah was really serious about upgrading their non-conference schedule, they’d start by dropping their warmup games with FCS schools.

    Prove that you’re serious about upgrading by doing that first, and then replacing bottom tier MWC teams with home and homes versus P5’s.

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:16 p.m.

    ArizonaUte

    Utah fan fiction:

    1) BYU would drop the rivalry if they were in the BigXII. Don't even question it.

    Pure Utah fan fantasy.

    2) BYU fans only want to play the rivalry game now, because they so desperately want a win.

    Utah fans only want to cancel the rivalry so they can claim superiority without having to prove it on the field, just like they’ve done since cancelling their series with Utah State.

    3) BYU fans are exhausting when it comes to the rivalry. It's why some Utes want it dropped.

    Not nearly as exhausting as the constant stream of hot air blowing from the hill.

    4) Going 20-19 the last 3 yrs, doesn't strike fear in most teams. Least of all Utah and it's fans.

    Don’t kid yourself... Utah fans were terrified for most of the most recent game that the Utes were going to lose to BYU.

  • Oh Really? Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:08 p.m.

    @Chris B

    “Nick Sabin agrees with [you] that p5s should only play p5s” and yet Nick Sabin has scheduled Southern Miss, New Mexico State, Western Carolina, Georgia State, Kent State and UT Martin over the next two years. UT Martin?

    Talk is cheap.

    By the way, the SEC counts BYU as a p5 opponent.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:00 p.m.

    We need to upgrade our nonconference schedule my downgraded. This is disappointing. There’s nothing to gain by playing BYU. Even when you beat them they make up excuses and alibis. Anything but it meant they lost to a better team. Give this series a rest.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:00 p.m.

    Stop wishing it away. It is rated by national media as one of the top rivalry games, is almost always close, very entertaining, and draws big crowds and ratings. Outside of one fluke year, BYU always has a winning record and goes to a bowl. This makes them a quality opponent that improves your OOC SOS. You would be hard pressed to find another team of this caliber willing to commit to a consistent home and home that is willing to be flexible and work around your schedule. Nobody is going to cancel this game....ever!

    Rise and Shout!

  • Some.BYU.Dude Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:57 p.m.

    Honestly, Utes just think too highly of themselves. These comments on this thread show that. One of my Ute friends says his expectation is the Utes play for the NC every five years, lol. You guys win the PAC-12 South for the first time, the last PAC-12 South team to do it, and you did it in the year where two teams in the south were bowl eligible, you and the team you didn't beat, lol. You didn't even end up ranked the year you went to the PAC-12 CCG. Come back to reality. If anyone watched Clemson and Bama, then you know Utah isn't even remotely close to competing with those two teams. I don't think other teams are really begging to play Utah either.

    Most Utah fans I know enjoy the BYU game, and it seems the only ones that don't are the BYU haters that just want to stick it to BYU and have laughable expectations and perspectives of Utah football.

    Lastly, the PAC needs to play 8 conference games a year. That'd help them not get so wrecked by each other, and opens up room for other P5 OOC opponents...granted the PAC isn't doing so hot vs. P5 OOC opponents, but it's a start.

  • Weston Jurney West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:56 p.m.

    A few years ago, a BYU player announced that BYU will always beat Utah because their players are more "righteous."

    Hmm. Sounds like there's a little repenting needs doing, down at the ZYU, in time for those games.

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:53 p.m.

    Great news for true college football fans of both schools.

    Horrible news for the obsessed haters who falsely claim that the rivalry no longer means anything to them.

    College sports are all about tradition and long-standing rivalries.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:52 p.m.

    @Lone*Star - Austin, TX
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:22 p.m.

    It's funny how there are always comments about Utah being scared. Utah isn't just on a run right now. Utah has won 27 more rivalry games in history than BYU has. Not just 8 straight.

    Putting that into perspective: If BYU won the rivalry the next 27 straight yrs. (they won't), BYU would ONLY then be tied in rivalry wins.

    Nothing for Utah to be scared about. One win isn't going to make up much ground.

    Facts:

    1) BYU would drop the rivalry if they were in the BigXII. Don't even question it.

    2) BYU fans only want to play the rivalry game now, because they so desperately want a win.

    3) BYU fans are exhausting when it comes to the rivalry. It's why some Utes want it dropped.

    4) Going 20-19 the last 3 yrs, doesn't strike fear in most teams. Least of all Utah and it's fans.

    I for one like the rivalry. Crazy fun games no matter the outcome. And I am old enough to remember BYU winning a bunch.

    Which is to say, I am getting old.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:52 p.m.

    "I find it humorous how scared some Utah fans are to play BYU."

    lone*some:

    Yeah, winning 8 in a row will do that. Hahaha!

  • Jello is Good ,
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:47 p.m.

    @JSKM1232 - Sandy, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 11:10 a.m.

    "Disappointing. Would much rather see a game against a team in our prime recruiting areas of Texas or Florida. This game does absolutely nothing for our recruiting."

    Who are you kidding. Utah is and always will be your prime recruiting area. Beating BYU 8 straight and PAC $ are the two biggest reasons you dominate the Utah recruiting ...for now. If you either stop scheduling BYU or start losing to them on a regular basis this could start to spiral.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:47 p.m.

    No!

    Consider this: Utah has had 2 traditional rivalries The "Battle of the Brothers" (Utah vs Utah State) has been played 112 times with Utah winning 72% of the time. The "Holy War" (Utah vs BYU) has been played 99 times with Utah winning 64% of the time. However, if you take out the aberration of the "Edwards Era (1972-1992 where BYU won 19 of 21 games) Utah's winning percentage is 81%. Thus the Battle of the Brothers has a longer history and equally as competitive.
    Utah State has the better record than the Y over the past 3 years. Is it any wonder then why some say we are avoiding Utah State?
    I feel strongly that Utah's interest would be to schedule these teams on a 3 year basis. ie. Utah should have offered Utah State the choice of playing Utah on a 2 for 1 basis (2 Utah home games)a or if they chose on a Home and home basis with Utah deciding which years and where the games were to be played. This would give Utah a "free" year to schedule whomever . Then in 3 years repeat the scheduling offer to the team that proved to be the stronger between Utah State and BYU during that 3 year period.

    It is time to end the "War"!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:47 p.m.

    FT

    "Personally, I'd like to see all 3 of our non-conference games be against tougher P5 opponents. "

    I agree man. I've been saying it for years. We(P5) should only ever play other P5 teams. Yes it would destroy mid majors but who cares? We(P5) should create our own division of football and completely separate ourselves from midmajor. Never play them in the regular season, never play them in bowl games.

    Several coaches including Nick Saban happen to agree with me. I think the day will come. And when it does, the mid majors can create their own playoffs or whatever they want to do. That is, if they even keep their football programs. Many midmajors can't survive without money from playing a P5 team each year. So my guess is many midmajors will close their programs. But again, who cares?

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:22 p.m.

    I find it humorous how scared some Utah fans are to play BYU.

  • Utes-Best Lil Brothers Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:11 p.m.

    Gotta laugh at how some of our little brothers perpetually live in denial.

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:06 p.m.

    "Of course, we want to destroy BYU. But we don't go into the season as "We need to win BYU" as a team goal."

    Part of that is, of course, that you don't set goals for things you already accomplish. The rivalry is generally more important to the team that is on the losing end, more often than not (see: Georgia-GT, Minnesota-Wisconsin, etc). If it evens out in the future, you'll see the care each team has even out.

    Lastly, to all those talking about recruiting. It's also important for Utah to be perceived as the #1 program in-state, as they do have 38 players on their roster from Utah. Besides, playing a 1 and 1 game doesn't actually help recruiting in that area all that much.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:00 p.m.

    Blah!

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2019 11:57 a.m.

    FT

    “Just ask the fans you see in the tail gate lot if they want to play BYU every year and the majority will tell you No.”

    That’s because they’re all uber BYU haters who desperately want to “stick it to BYU” without having to prove Utah’s superiority on the field/court.

    They know that Utah’s winning streak is coming to an end and there’s not a single team on the planet that Utah fans hate losing to more than BYU.

  • Lester L. Wester , 00
    Jan. 14, 2019 11:45 a.m.

    It looks like the powers that be are keeping this worthless game alive. Too bad. At least it's relegated to a pre-conference warmup game where it should be.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 11:41 a.m.

    It's fine as long as we scrimmage them in August or September. We risk humiliation if we lose but we've owned them pretty good throughout. You're welcome, byu.

  • JackRyanSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 11:19 a.m.

    To CG...you missed my point. Of course Whitt drives this into the players. However, my point is...this is usually the biggest game on the schedule for BYU players and it's fans. This is not the case for Utah fans and players that past several years. Of course, we want to destroy BYU. But we don't go into the season as "We need to win BYU" as a team goal. The goal is to win the division and conference. It is like the old days when Utah would play a PAC12 game...Utah treated that game like their superbowl.

    I have coached a couple guys that now play for BYU and I can tell you...they want to win the Utah game more than any other game on the schedule. Whereas, Utah players are more focused on winning the division and conference championship.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 11:22 a.m.

    @Chris B
    Personally, I'd like to see all 3 of our non-conference games be against tougher P5 opponents. Having season tickets for 40 years the bigger the opponent the better. I never go to the gimee games against the Big Sky teams. This belief that we should play BYU every year is nothing but traditional hogwash. Just ask the fans you see in the tail gate lot if they want to play BYU every year and the majority will tell you No.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 11:21 a.m.

    Chris B "stop this fallacy that this prevents us from playing P5 teams. It doesnt."
    The latest extension proves it doesn't prevent us.
    2023 vs Weber State, Baylor, BYU
    2024 vs SUU, BYU, Baylor

    That's an improvement over the 2022, BYU, SUU, San Diego State
    I like to see Harlan go back an upgrade Hill's B-B-C schedules to A-B-C schedules.

  • NORCALUTE Modesto, CA
    Jan. 14, 2019 11:20 a.m.

    Very disappointing...Utah Football is bigger than this. A waste of time, energy and money. To bad, so sad.

  • JSKM1232 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 11:10 a.m.

    Disappointing. Would much rather see a game against a team in our prime recruiting areas of Texas or Florida. This game does absolutely nothing for our recruiting.

  • Old ball coach Sandy, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 11:07 a.m.

    “Drop BYU for a bigger p5 school.”

    “Outside the state, this game means nothing”

    Utah fans make me laugh!

    Utah can still play BYU, drop these instate Fcs schools (SUU, Weber, and now Dixie State) and GO PLAY SOMEBODY! Neutral site would be nice if Utah doesn’t want to play at their place.

    I think it’s great match up...so does ESPN, Fox, and so do college football fans outside the state. Not to many fans outside of Utah want to see a Utah scrimmage against FCS schools on tv...

    FIGHT ON!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 10:59 a.m.

    FT

    We need to stop this fallacy that this prevents us from playing P5 teams. It doesnt.

    Now, I dont care whether we schedule byu or not. Its a gimme win and its fun to rub it in their faces.

    But we still have complete control over our ability to play and beat a P5 out of conference team every single year if we want to

    We could play 2 out of conference P5 teams if we wanted to.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 10:47 a.m.

    stanfunky - Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 10:31 a.m.
    “A neutral site game against a P5 opponent would be a better game for the U to schedule”

    NOBODY cares enough about the commuter school on the hill to schedule such a game.

  • CG Provo, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 10:38 a.m.

    JackRyanSLC - Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 10:30 a.m.
    “This is always a close game because it means so much more to the cougs. They treat this game like it is their Superbowl coming out with more energy and commitment than any other game on their schedule.”

    LOL

    According to Jake Murphy, Whittingham drills into every player the importance of beating BYU from the moment they step on campus.

    The very fact that EVERY Utah fan knows exactly how long Utah’s current win streak over BYU is proves that all of this nonsense about the rivalry no longer being important to Utah fans is just a bunch of hot air.

  • CG Provo, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 10:36 a.m.

    FT

    “Outside of the state this game has little relevance and does not help Ute recruiting.”

    If the Utes were really concerned about improving their OOC schedule, they’d start by dropping their annual FCS opponent tuneup game and their bottom of the MWC cupcakes.

    Until U do both of those things, your whiny claims of needing to drop BYU to improve your OOC SOS are nothing but a bunch of hot air.

  • stanfunky Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 10:31 a.m.

    A neutral site game against a P5 opponent would be a better game for the U to schedule. Another game in the state of Texas, for example, that would be a boon to recruiting. Or Florida. Playing Miami, for example. Or Texas, Baylor, even Oklahoma. Getting a win in your backyard is nice for bragging rights, but doesn't help recruiting outside of the state.

  • JackRyanSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 10:30 a.m.

    This is always a close game because it means so much more to the cougs. They treat this game like it is their Superbowl coming out with more energy and commitment than any other game on their schedule. If you compared player to player for each position, the game should be a blow out for Utah. This will be an interesting year since it is the first game of the season for both teams. Utah should have just as much excitement and energy as BYU since it is the season opener. Utah's depth won't play as big of a role since BYU will still have their 1's in place. New OC with Utah makes this game more problematic since it is the beginning of the year, but Utah should still role through this game. Wilson seems to be a talented player, but it takes more than one player on offense.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 10:28 a.m.

    Great news 💙🤙🏈 #BeatUtah

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Jan. 14, 2019 10:21 a.m.

    Wait - what? No 2 for 1 arrangement? Shocking.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 10:18 a.m.

    This is disappointing. I was hoping the Utes would free up this non-conference game for a tougher, national, P-5 opponent. Outside of the state this game has little relevance and does not help Ute recruiting.