Trump declares he'll 'never back down' in shutdown fight

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  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2019 3:45 p.m.

    This is on McConnell. We could have a running government in hours. The senate would have a veto proof majority but Mitch wont allow a vote on a bill that they had already passed 100-0.

    The GOP is complicit in this. They need to stop holding us hostage.

  • ConservativeCommonTater Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 2:11 p.m.

    banliberals - Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:43 p.m.
    @Military mom.....I just listened to a radio interview with a TSA supervisor at Sea-Tac Airport in Washington?

    You know, comments like this cause me great pause........

    "I mean, we wouldn't need a TSA if we had a secured the border and kept out the scourge that wreaked havoc on this country during 9-11!!"

    "....its time for the Democrats to clean up this mess they have created when the failed to live up to the promise made to Reagan 30 years ago to fix immigration!"

    "Build the wall!"

    Banliberals, you are so wrong, as usual. Did you forget that it was Ronnie Raygun that said if he gave amnesty to the 3-5 million illegal Hispanics in the country at that time, that it would stop the problem of illegals coming here?

    Raygun sanctioned the amnesty and that caused another 11-20 million to come here...illegally. At one time, we had about 10% of Mexico's population in the U.S. illegally.

    A selective memory is worse than a bad memory, especially if what you select is incorrect.

  • ConservativeCommonTater Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 7:55 a.m.

    This morning NPR said that the white house miscalculated the effect of the government shutdown.

    They said that the shutdown will cost. .4% of our GDP each month.

    It seems that Trump and the GOP are willing to destroy our economy to appease Trump's ego and fulfill his campaign promise to "built that wall."

    How many times can the GOP destroy the country? Apparently, any time they get into office as the controlling party.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 6:34 a.m.

    @banliberals - you can't blame the evil "dems". For two years the Republicans held the keys to every piece of government. They made their priority passing a tax break for business and the more wealthy. They could have passed legislation on immigration and national security, but for the last two years it didn't and wasn't a priority. To now say the Democrats are to blame is simply absurd. The White House, Senate and House were all controlled by the current Republicans, and they did nothing.

  • Cougarbib2 Moorpark, CA
    Jan. 15, 2019 1:52 a.m.

    Build the wall
    Create a way for current Dreamers to stay as long as they abide our laws while here
    Deport all illegals who break our laws
    Make legal immigration and legal work visas easier to obtain for people who are not criminals.
    DNA test and finger print all immigrants upon arrival for quick resolution of any future crimes.

    That is my recommended compromise.

    Then pressure Mexico to secure its tiny southern border to further mitigate the problem.

  • Gus Talwynd Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 8:53 p.m.

    To prevent any of this government shutdown nonsense from ever being used to hold government employees hostage to political whims, I suggest a constitutional amendment to be passed that states:

    "Whenever a budget is not passed when required to fund the government's operations, a 3-month extension of the previous budget will be implemented so a new budget can be approved of by the Congress and approved by the president. If no new budget is passed during that time, upon completion of the allowed time period, the process will repeat until such time as a budget is passed by the Congress and signed into law.

    "Government shutdowns will be prohibited from occurring since funding will always be made available through automatic extensions until a new budget implemented."

    This will insure that politicians cannot play with the people's governance and hold the people hostage to political shenanigans. Modifications can be made such that congresspeople and their staffs, along the president, vice-president, cabinet members and members of the White House staff will likewise have their salaries withheld until they do work mandated by the Constitution.

    Nothing hurts like self-inflicted wounds.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 6:25 p.m.

    Real people are suffering. Trump needs to agree to the previous passed bills and fight another day.

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    Jan. 14, 2019 4:36 p.m.

    How about a law that says that if the government is shut down, Air Force One stays on the ground?

  • Misty Mountain Kent, WA
    Jan. 14, 2019 4:32 p.m.

    @at long last writes:

    “but the shutdown is about adequate border security.”

    No, it isn't, no matter what Fox News says. The shutdown is Trump creating a distraction from what Mueller is coming up with--the latest being Trump confiscating the notes of the interpreter who sat in on one of his discussions with Putin--and ordering the interpreter not to breathe a word of what was said during that meeting.

    But on the subject of border security----It's been almost a hundred years since France built the Maginot Line, and almost eighty since the Germans flew over it. Trump himself acknowledged that somebody with a ladder could easily get over a 30' wall and use a rope to lower himself to the ground on the other side. Note that Trump never mentions this, nor talks about the hundreds of tunnels which have been discovered in the last twenty years. How many more are there? So The Wall is going to be six feet under the dirt. Has he never heard of hand-dug tunnels that are eight, ten, or even twenty feet underground?

  • Zzzptm Dallas, TX
    Jan. 14, 2019 4:23 p.m.

    When I look at the GOP and how it can only obstruct, deny, say no, and otherwise fail to govern or to allow others to govern, I am reminded of Cromwell's statement to the Rump Parliament:

    "You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately... Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!"

    Even in power, they were split with paralysis and unable to govern. Now, they act as spoilers. Let us have done with them!

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 4:12 p.m.

    Here is the problem. The President rules by tweets. They are ineffective at best. The reason I say this is today during his speech at the farmers convention, he said the following...

    "During his speech, however, Trump said that a border wall and stricter immigration controls would help farmers, while stemming crime and illegal immigration. The president added that he understands that farmers need people to help with harvests and that he'll make it easier for immigrants to enter the country to work on farms."

    Now if he were to wrap this into the "discussions", plus DACA, with strengthening the southern border... we should be having an entirely different discussion.

    Both sides need to take a step back. The "Wall" (Great album btw) needs to be moved over to a broader immigration/national security discussion so that in the end, everyone gets what they need to feel comfortable about this.

    This is not a budget discussion. No one cares about over spending, that is real obvious. So lets wrap these discussions topically into one piece of legislation that addresses the real problem without making US workers pay for either parties inability to communicate.

  • Steve Cottrell Centerville, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 3:51 p.m.

    Perhaps Trump should try holding his breath until he gets his way! That juvenile tactic sometimes works for children and it would not harm anyone.

  • my_two_cents_worth university place, WA
    Jan. 14, 2019 2:09 p.m.

    @at long last. . .

    “but the shutdown is about adequate border security.”

    Yet the largest federal agency impacted by the shutdown is the agency responsible for border security. Let that sink in for a moment.

  • Joe Leaphorn Scottsdale, AZ
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:46 p.m.

    at long last. . . - Kirksville , MO
    Jan. 14, 2019 9:18 a.m.

    "The Dems are passing bills without any funding for border security and McConnell has said, rightly so, that the Senate will not take up any measure that cannot pass the Senate with 60 votes and be signed by the president."

    You need to understand that current legislation coming out of the House is directed at funding government and is NOT border security legislation. That is only one significant detail that you have left out from your comment. And, yes, McConnell said what he said, but Congress doesn't need Donald Trump's signature to pass this legislation. We'll just have to see how long he can hold out before Republicans in Congress begin to fear for their jobs come 2020.

    Wingnut propaganda that Democrats are not sensitive to border security issues is useful only to those low-information voters who are too lazy to get the facts. Also, as has been said many times. Trump's Wall is not border security. It is his pledge to his core base (along with the pledge that Mexico, not the American public, would pay for it.

    Think of a border wall as the Maginot Line the French built to keep out the Germans. How well did that work?

  • Jim Chee Lahaina, HI
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:14 p.m.

    banliberals - Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:43 p.m.

    "I mean, we wouldn't need a TSA if we had a secured the border and kept out the scourge that wreaked havoc on this country during 9-11!!"

    This is really funny. However, it's enough to make us cry since the comment is so wrong. There's a lot of misinformation and lies coming out of Fox News talking heads that people may not be exposed to some basic truths, but this one appears to re-write history in a pathetic attempt to build support for a vanity project that would be absolutely useless beyond being a political talking point.

    " . . . secured the border and kept out the scourge that wreaked havoc on this country during 9-11!!"? You must be playing with us? Such a statement boggles the mind when people know that the terrorists of 9-11 entered the country the way all terrorists have entered the country EXCEPT one. By air! They came by airplane arriving at airports in the Northeast. The one exception was a guy intercepted at the CANADIAN border. No terrorists has every come through our souther border. There is no evidence since no terrorist was ever captured coming through our border with Mexico.

  • The Great Helmsman Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:14 p.m.

    @ban

    "I mean, we wouldn't need a TSA if we had a secured the border and kept out the scourge that wreaked havoc on this country during 9-11!!"

    Mohammed Atta was legally in the U.S. on a tourist visa when he slammed the jetliner into the North Tower, WTC. How would a Mexican Concrete Border wall have stopped that?

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:12 p.m.

    @banliberals
    So are you says that republicans in Congress and four republican presidents have been so inept over the last 30 years that only Democrates could have saved us? Trump had majorities in both houses his first two years and claims to be the great deal
    maker yet still couldn’t close the deal. Mitch could call for a vote today on a bill they previously supported and Trump could sign it today but instead Mitch won’t even hold a vote.

  • The Great Helmsman Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:56 p.m.

    The Mexican Concrete Border Wall will do ZERO to enhance border security unless you propose placing minefields and machine gun-manned guard towers every 300 meters a' la the Inner German Border wall that separated the FRG from the GDR from '52 - '90.

    And is that REALLY what you want?

  • banliberals Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:43 p.m.

    @Military mom.....I just listened to a radio interview with a TSA supervisor at Sea-Tac Airport in Washington?

    You know, comments like this cause me great pause........

    I mean, we wouldn't need a TSA if we had a secured the border and kept out the scourge that wreaked havoc on this country during 9-11!!

    ....its time for the Democrats to clean up this mess they have created when the failed to live up to the promise made to Reagan 30 years ago to fix immigration!

    Build the wall!

  • SG in SLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:33 p.m.

    Desperate times call for desperate measures, so it is time for the real victims in this totally unnecessary government shutdown to stand up and take action. Specifically, NATCA (National Air Traffic Controllers Association) and AFGE (American Federation of Government Employees; the TSA agents in particular) need to call a strike until Congress and the President reach a deal to fund and reopen the government. Maybe a complete shutdown of air transportation in the U.S. (and beyond), along with the shutdown of essential federal agencies whose employees are being compelled to work without currently being compensated, would increase the sense of urgency for our elected officials in Washington to abandon political posturing at the expense of federal employees and to reach a deal without further senseless delay.

  • banliberals Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:28 p.m.

    I am tired of Democrats kicking this immigration bill down the road and never fixing it.........they promised Reagan a fix?..... and here we are 30 years later and still no solutions from the Democrats!

    I support Trump.....shut down the Gov't, until the Democrats stop kicking!

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:23 p.m.

    The only way this shut down ends is when McConnell brings the bill up for a vote. He and he alone controls whether the bill gets voted on.
    Why he is supporting the orange one's vanity project is worth considering. The wall is, was, and always will be a terrible idea, regardless of how Donald constantly tweets about it or how FoxNews supports and encourages him.
    There is no leadership in Washington and things are getting worse.
    Trump and McConnell are doing harm to America and Putin is laughing his head off.
    Meanwhile Trump is very strangely spouting Putin's propaganda line about the invasion in Afghanistan in the 80's and none of his supporters notice or even care ('cause Trump is good at stickin' it to them libruls).

  • military mom Herriman, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:04 p.m.

    I just listened to a radio interview with a TSA supervisor at Sea-Tac Airport in Washington who stated that following the interview, he was headed for a food bank to secure meals for his workers who are required to work without pay. The average TSA employee earns from $13-$22 dollars an hour while Mitch McConnell earns $193,000 a year and his wife, Secretary of Transportation Elaine L. Chao, earns $199,700 per year. I suggest that if McConnell insists on ignoring the House bill to open the government (which the Senate previously passed) the McConnells' salaries should be garnished and donated to the TSA workers. In fact, Congress, Trump, Stephen Miller, all cabinet members, Sarah Sanders, their staffs, etc. should have to work without pay also....probably the only incentive that would inspire all parties to solve this problem.

  • Gil Bates Mayfield, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 11:47 a.m.

    I recall the continuing resolution of the past. Republican voters were pleased that our representatives were standing up to Obama. Remember that? Remember the GOP being blamed for the shutdowns? Remember our reps caving?

    There's a new pharaoh in Egypt. The war memorials are still open in DC.

    Ironically, there is no immigration protest march this time around.

    What a difference a few years makes.

  • Misty Mountain Kent, WA
    Jan. 14, 2019 11:31 a.m.

    There's an easy way out of this.

    Send Trump a bill which opens the government, authorizes hiring 2000 more border agents (already authorized and already funded) and opens the government. There won't be any money in it for the wall, but he can tell his supporters there is, and they will believe him.

    Everybody will be happy.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Jan. 14, 2019 11:00 a.m.

    Trump, ever the drama queen.

    Has anyone in the GOP explained to him what a President of the United States does?

    And why do newspapers continue to reprint Trump's nonsensical tweets? Any of us can follow Trump's Twitter feed if we want to see this gibberish. Just like we can tune our TVs to show nothing but hissing static. Most well-adjusted adults select a frequency that carries a coherent signal.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Jan. 14, 2019 10:13 a.m.

    Here are the facts-

    1. The Senate passed a spending bill in late December that would keep the government open but not provide money for a wall.
    2. President Trump promised Majority Leader McConnell that he would sign such a bill
    3. Instead of bringing that bipartisan bill to the floor of the House, then Speaker Ryan brought a different bill that included $5B for wall construction, knowing it would not pass the Senate, which it didn't.
    4. Despite saying he would be proud to shut down the government for border security on national television, Trump shut down the government and immediately blamed the Democrats.
    5. In the House, new Speaker Pelosi passed the same bill the Senate passed in late December but now Majority Leader McConnell will not bring that bill to the Senate for a vote.
    6. If that bill was allowed to be voted on in the Senate and it passed, the president could either sign it, veto it or let it go unsigned and after 10 days it would become law.

    Leader McConnell is the one holding up the mechanism of our government and he should be held responsible for the shutdown. Why should 800,000 federal workers be punished because two adults are acting like children?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 10:11 a.m.

    When the Donald leaves Washington and the tea party gives up on their central myths.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 10:09 a.m.

    @at long last
    "Any reopening of the shutdown portion of the federal government is going to require compromise. "

    Compromise involves both sides getting something they want, not one side getting some of its demands and that's it. And it'd be irresponsible to set a precedent where taking federal workers hostage is considered an effective strategy to get what you want. The demanding side that shut down the government caved the previous two times (Republicans in 2013 were trying to demand defunding of the already established in law ACA, Democrats in early 2018 were trying to demand reinstatement of DACA).

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 9:55 a.m.

    @long last
    again with the rewriting facts. the house passed bills to fund all other parts of the government through the end of the year and to extend funding for border security for another 30 days while negotiations continue. Mitch needs to remember the Congress does is a separate branch of government and that he does not need Trumps stamp of approval before allowing an up or down vote. by the way Trump storming out of meetings or folding his arms a saying wall or nothing is not compromising.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2019 9:38 a.m.

    Mike Richards were are you? I would think you would be decrying this Constitutional abuse. Mitch McConnell has said that there will be no vote on the Senate floor on funding the government until the Democrats and Donald Trump come to an agreement. Donald Trump said there will be no agreement without his wall. Last I checked spending bills originated in the House which has happened and the Senate has been given multiple bills last week to vote on. The Senate refusing to take a vote on the bills sent from the House has made Donald Trump not the President with veto power, but the dictator. Because Rush and Ann are determining policy for the President, they in fact now become the sole supreme power. This is a frightening time.

    Can you imagine the noise coming from the right if a Democratic Senator were holding up a bill passed by a Republican House because the far left personalities got to the Democratic Congress? There would already have been a vote to impeach.

    Time for McConnell to do his duty and put the House spending bills on the floor for Senators to vote up or down on. That is the way the Constitution is suppose to work.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Jan. 14, 2019 9:18 a.m.

    Tolstoy- I appreciate your 'toeing' the Dem line, but the shutdown is about adequate border security. The Dems are passing bills without any funding for border security and McConnell has said, rightly so, that the Senate will not take up any measure that cannot pass the Senate with 60 votes and be signed by the president. All the house Dems are doing is practicing futility, exactly like the house did on Obamacare replacement with the Reps.

    Any reopening of the shutdown portion of the federal government is going to require compromise. Ergo, perhaps when the Dems come back from their Puerto Rico vacation. The longer this goes on the more folks are going to realize that the Dems are the ones not willing to enter into negotiations.

    Are they not interested in border security? Are they not interested in the government functioning properly? The answer is obviously that they are not interested in anything other than political advantage - country, be damned.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 9:14 a.m.

    I figure it this way: The plan was for the executive branch to put together an annual budget for the money it would take to enforce the laws on the books. The president then presents that budget to Congress. Congress then argues and negotiates and authorizes an amount to run the government.

    Presidents have been doing their job right along, but Congress has not. In the last FOUR DECADES, Congress has failed 36 times out of 40!

    The Continuing Resolution (CR) Process is the result. Instead of a budget, there is a CR crisis every three months instead. This fiscal cliff allows the parties to snipe at each other and create one crisis or another in the media. It's a war or health care or same sex marriage or abortion funding or some other flavor-of-the-month.

    This time around, the CR issue is border security.

    Let me be clear: I.don't.care.

    As the saying goes, failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.

    Good people would have found a better job long ago.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 9:10 a.m.

    Ah yes, Senator Graham urging Trump to end the shutdown. That's gonna work. Not.

    Here are a few quotes from Lindsey:

    -----------------

    I think he's a kook. I think he's crazy. I think he's unfit for office

    -Lindsey Graham, Feb 2016

    -----------------

    What concerns me about the American press is this endless, endless attempt to label the guy (Trump) as some kind of kook not fit to be president

    -Lindsey Graham, Nov 2017

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Jan. 14, 2019 9:06 a.m.

    Geez, the lengths that Trump supporters, and I might add the DN, will go to attempt to put blame on the Democrats in Congress for this shutdown is impenetrable.

    All the facts are laid out by previous posters. It is an erratic President who seems to think his manhood impugned who created this 'crisis'. And 'crisis' describes this Administration to a T. We lurch from one controversy to another, mostly created by the President himself.

    This administration, and its enablers in the GOP, have delivered unto the country one of the most erratic and chaotic government in decades. Putin could not have done better if he was in control himself.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 8:35 a.m.

    Congress, particularly the Republicans, need to step up and fix it. Pass the bills, make Trump veto is he must, and then override the veto.

    Time Magazine reported, per Carl Bernstein, that the Mueller draft report states that Trump is working with Putin to destabilize the United States. Trump's refusal to negotiate would be a good way to cause more chaos. Mick Mulvaney, acting chief of staff, was actually negotiating with the Democratic leadership and had a commitment of nearly $2 billion. Mulvaney was working on getting the amount increased, when Trump cut him off with expletives, shocking everyone in the room. Read Max Boot's (a conservitive) column in the Washington Post, "Here are 18 reasons Trump could be a Russian asset." Republicans need to take control of their party before it's too late. Start with opening the government.

  • wgirl Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 8:31 a.m.

    Mitch McConnell refuses to let compromise bills come to the floor of the Senate for a vote.

    The House and Senate presented a bipartisan compromise bill to Trump before Christmas - but Trump reneged and refused to sign it. He pulled the rug out from under our elected representatives because Rush, Sean and Laura - the defacto executive branch of the government - told Trump that they didn't like the idea on TV.

    The House passed the exact same bill in January. The Senate had passed it 100 - 0 before Christmas, so Mitch is afraid it would pass again and with a margin that would override a Trump veto.

    The House also passed 4 funding bills that would reopen all the agencies unrelated to immigration. Again, Mitch refuses to let Senators vote on them.

    Congressional leaders want to discuss and fund logical, effective, modern border security. Trump keeps insisting it has to be a medieval wall. His argument? He looked at the secret service cars and they all have wheels, and wheels and walls are both medieval technologies, so if we still use wheels, we should also use a wall.

    @at long last....Let's compare the number of times Trump played golf at one of his resorts to Dems P.R. trips.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 8:23 a.m.

    @at long last
    Always trying to rewrite facts. The facts are the Democrat controlled house passed bills to reopen government last week and rather then allow the senate to have an up or down vote Mitch decided to leave town early.

  • Misty Mountain Kent, WA
    Jan. 14, 2019 8:13 a.m.

    @Prometheus Platypus wrote,

    "This is not leadership, not even close."

    You are wrong. Trump and the Republican senators are leading us.

    Right over the cliff.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 8:09 a.m.

    Trump told us he'd own the shutdown. It's his self created crisis so it only makes sense he needs to solve it. He told us when the shutdown happened under Obama that weak, ineffective Presidential leadership is responsible for shutdowns. Certainly seems to be the case for this one.

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    Jan. 14, 2019 8:04 a.m.

    There's a much simpler option, Mr. Graham. Just tell your good friend Mitch McConnell to schedule a vote on the bill that the house has already passed. Let's have a public vote in the Senate so the rest of the country can see just how (not) united the Republicans are.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Jan. 14, 2019 7:53 a.m.

    Perhaps after the Democrats return from their work (read vacation at taxpayer expense) in Puerto Rico.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 7:00 a.m.

    It's pretty straight forward, Trump said repeatedly that Mexico would pay for the wall.

    Now Trump and the GOP are willing to hold federal employees (Americans) hostage until American's pays for his wall, and on credit.

    This is not leadership, not even close.