Trump tweets into the void as shutdown sets record

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  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 17, 2019 11:35 a.m.

    Trump supporters help me understand the following facts that are indisputable. First the President said there was a national emergency and sent troops to the southern border on October 25th (I am sure that it was just a coincidence that was right before the midterms). On November 19th apparently the crisis was over because Trump sent the troops home (I am sure it was a coincidence that he was taking heat for keeping troops away from their family on the southern border for no reason during the holidays). Then on December 21st after a deall was agreed to that would keep the government open, we have another crisis on the southern border that requires a wall that couldn't be completed in less than 18 months but it is not enough of a crisis to send troops again, but it is enough of a crisis to shut the government down (another coincidence being this came right after Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh called the President on the carpet)

    Please help me understand how this goes from crisis no crisis and now a crisis again, but we don't need to send troops for this current version of the crisis.

  • JSKM1232 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 2:02 p.m.

    @mohokat - , 00

    "Oh heck yes it's all Trumps fault. Ridiculous hit piece. These Dems Schumer and company as late as 2013 were in favor of a wall. Shummer himself voted for $25 billion. On the Dems part this is not about a wall it is about Trump. As in its political. The Dems would vote against oxygen if Trump was for it. Has Congress presented a bill to Trump? No! Has Trump vetoed a bill? No! Then it is not Trump. Associated Press. Bunk!"
    = = = = =
    The Democratic House has sent bills to the Senate (the very same bills the Senate voted 100-0 on 4 weeks ago). The Senate (Read: Mitch McConnell) has REFUSED to put them to a vote. Trump REFUSES to negotiate the $5 Billion (That's not negotiating - that's holding hostage). The shutdown BELONGS to TRUMP/McCONNELL and no one else!

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 8:19 a.m.

    The United States Constitution to go down to raise the Trump Medieval Wall. Sad.

  • pragmatistferlife Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 8:15 a.m.

    8 in a row.."Living debt free is liberating. Everyone should give it a go. Including the federal government or should I say the one’s who like to redistribute wealth."

    Time to take a macro economics class again. It's impossible for the US to have the dollar as the world currency and be debt free.

  • Jim Chee Lahaina, HI
    Jan. 14, 2019 3:33 a.m.

    Since Donald Trump has move beyond simple abuse of office and use of government shutdowns for political gain, it may be time for Congress to remove this option from any and all to do more harm to innocent workers trying to do the job we request of them. Such abuse of government employees for selfish gain is both immoral and destructive to our democracy.

    If the administrative and legislative branches can't do their jobs through debate, negotiation, and compromise, then we have a situation where we need a new a new administration and/or members in the legislative branch. The partisan tribalism that has come to dominate our politics has become a strategy of politicians in the pursuit of power. It is the people who need to step forward and make those we choose as representatives or as leaders be accountable.

    Our Founders did not want a dictator to rise up and control government with a Congress that would not do it's constitutionally-required work. One can only imagine such an authoritarian demanding something the people are strongly opposed to once again, holding our government hostage, congressional representative too afraid to stop this demagogue, giving in to such vanity.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:46 a.m.

    @8 in a row
    "If the federal government has a partial shutdown (25%) and nobody notices, is the federal government really shutdown? Maybe this is the incentive to get off the government payroll. But I understand the benefits are great... wether you are an employee or an entitled recipient."

    If your company shipped your job overseas I wouldn't notice but I suspect it wouldn't be fun for you.

  • wgirl Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2019 11:32 p.m.

    @8 in a row: "if the federal government has a partial shutdown (25%) and nobody notices, is the federal government really shutdown?"

    A lot of people notice. Perhaps if all those people being forced to work without pay simply walked out, you would notice.

    All the airports would shut down with no air traffic controllers in the towers. There would be nobody to process taxes as the season gets started. If the Coast Guard stopped working, not only would tons of drugs enter the country, (literally tons of drugs are confiscated by the Coast Guard every year) but people would die, and who would guard Trump when he is at his luxury golf resort? The border patrol and customs officials would not be on patrol, and employees at federal prisons would leave those places unguarded.

    I think it is incredibly unfair to mock these people and the jobs they do while they continue to do them for free. I don't know why you think they all have cushy jobs, but they are obviously important enough to force them to do them even without pay.

    How could anyone that claims to support a balanced budget support Trump and the Republicans that have added Trillions of dollars to our deficit, or support a wall?

  • Janet Pete Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2019 8:32 p.m.

    geekusprimus - Little Elm, TX
    Jan. 13, 2019 2:49 p.m.

    "This is pathetic."

    Mitch McConnell can easily solve this problem created by Donald Trump. He could also do a big favor for Republican members of the Senate up for re-election in 2020.

    Since the Senate passed a Continuing Resolution 100-0 back in December, the Senate could again pass such a bill. Then the House would pass the bill. It would go to Trump's desk where he can veto it.

    Then, the Senate would pass the same bill again with a veto-proof majority (that's less that the 100 votes they used the first time) and have the House do the same thing. There is no need for Trump's signature and "poof", the crisis is over. After the debacle of last year, House Republicans will run to approve such a measure regardless of Trump throwing another tantrum.

    Where the White House is talking about dragging out the shutdown until March, Congress appears to want it over as it only hurts Republicans. Remember, Trump claimed credit and 75% of Americans disapprove of his shutdown. And then the had the temerity to blame the American people at a news gaggle. For a man who doesn't accept responsibility, that was a new character low.

  • Mad Hatter Santa Fe, NM
    Jan. 13, 2019 8:09 p.m.

    8 in a row! - Ogden, UT
    Jan. 13, 2019 2:46 p.m.

    "If the federal government has a partial shutdown (25%) and nobody notices, is the federal government really shutdown?"

    You have a partial shut down. The impact depends on who is affected. If it's your job or it's a service you depend upon being available, it may be significant. If you aren't affected in any way, you may say, "Oh, well, it doesn't bother me."

    The size and breadth of government services covers a wide space developed over 240 years of government activity, requirements by business interests, and desire to satisfy public wants and needs. Before deciding what government services are unnecessary, consider yourself as an administrator trying to accommodate your clients. It doesn't matter your political ideology since government can grow like a Hydra by any partisan group in power.

    There are things you don't like. There are things many of us don't like. However, it doesn't follow that we all don't all like the same things. Some things you may like, others man not like. It's the way things are. You need to be specific. Policies? Services?

    Remember, we have a covenant with one another. It's called the U.S. Constitution.

  • Mackenzie Iwamoto Bronx, NY
    Jan. 13, 2019 7:46 p.m.

    What is a "discretionary emergency"? It a fire burns through a town and lives are threatened, is that an emergency? Do we wait to see how many houses are burned or do we immediately call the fire department? Generally, an emergency is an event where immediate action needs to be taken since the event is already occurring and a decision must be made as to the threat of not taking any action?

    Doesn't "discretionary" mean some aspect of making a decision? Once that decision has been made, we move to the next step in the process: Did we decide we have an emergency or not? We don't have an emergency and then decide whether it is a "real emergency" or "not an emergency". The decision is made immediately after the event happens. There is not the luxury of standing around and deciding at some later time. There's a sequence in the process: Event --> Decision --> Result (emergency or not emergency).

    The decision determines the result. If it's a bad decision, a new decision is made. But you never have time to decide when to make the decision. Everything is driven by the event. In life-and-death situations, time is not a friend to be played with. Many events make the decision for you.

  • geekusprimus Little Elm, TX
    Jan. 13, 2019 2:49 p.m.

    This is pathetic. Apparently the American people elected children rather than mature adults.

  • 8 in a row! Ogden, UT
    Jan. 13, 2019 2:46 p.m.

    I support legal immigration.

    I support a balance budget.

    I’m flag waving nephew of my Uncle Sam.

    If the federal government has a partial shutdown (25%) and nobody notices, is the federal government really shutdown? Maybe this is the incentive to get off the government payroll. But I understand the benefits are great... wether you are an employee or an entitled recipient.

    Maybe the gridlock playbook is on to somethig in terms of a balanced budget.

    Living debt free is liberating. Everyone should give it a go. Including the federal government or should I say the one’s who like to redistribute wealth.

    The federal government has no right to mortgage the life’s of future generations (taxpayers).

    I think we should fire both sides and start over.

    I’m sure glad I’m busy earning a living... being part of the UN debating society where nothing gets done sounds like a not so rewarding career.

    God Bless America!

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2019 11:42 a.m.

    Butch: As soon as Mexico pays for it.

  • banliberals Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 13, 2019 10:58 a.m.

    @ConservativeCommonTater - Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2019 9:16 a.m.

    The world's greatest developer said it would cost $25 Billion to build his wall. Now, it will cost only $5.7 Billion. There is nothing that details how he saved $19.3 Billion so quickly.
    The Army Corp of Engineers would have to sign off on this wall, made of something, but they haven't even seen a rough draft of what the developer wants built.
    How can a budget be proposed when there have been no quotes given, no materials decided upon, no engineering studies done?
    Isn't that how the developer built a casino that went bankrupt?

    This kind of raging lunacy is the sort of intellect Trump faces coming from the left...

    The $5 billion in no way will pay for the entire infrastructure needed and it has never been stated by Trump that it will. He has requested for $5.7 to build the wall in THIS budget.....in subsequent budgets he will request more to complete the project.

    The engineering and design is not Trumps, that is left to Gov't Officials whose job it s to construct such. That is like blaming a POTUS for a bridge needed to span 3300 So. on I-215! on Trump because it wore out?

    The democrats are the party of NO!

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Jan. 13, 2019 10:38 a.m.

    @thid

    It doesn’t matter that trump was elected in 30 states. The question is can he orignate spending bills and the answer is no.

    Congress needs to pass a veto proof bill to open the government because this shutdown is a joke.

  • ConservativeCommonTater Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2019 9:16 a.m.

    The greatest developer in the world, and he knows great developers, not as good as him, because he is the greatest, wants to develop a concrete wall, maybe made of steel slats, maybe made of something else.

    The world's greatest developer said it would cost $25 Billion to build his wall. Now, it will cost only $5.7 Billion. There is nothing that details how he saved $19.3 Billion so quickly.

    As a matter of fact, there are no studies, plans, engineering specs or labor and materials quotes from anyone on how much it would cost to build this wall, which would be made of something.

    The Army Corp of Engineers would have to sign off on this wall, made of something, but they haven't even seen a rough draft of what the developer wants built.

    How can a budget be proposed when there have been no quotes given, no materials decided upon, no engineering studies done?

    That doesn't matter. As many here have said and as the developer said; "Build that wall." We will figure out the details later.

    Isn't that how the developer built a casino that went bankrupt?

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Jan. 13, 2019 9:08 a.m.

    Wall and Stall is the Trump game.

    Bob Mueller is Trump's real concern.

    Don't look at the Russian investigation but look at The Wall.

    Trump's Russian collusion is about to be exposed.

    But The Wall! The Wall! Look at The Wall!

    Is the $5 Billion for the Trump defection?

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Jan. 13, 2019 8:33 a.m.

    By now it is pretty obvious to any rational person that this wall idea is only conjured up by the President to distract the public, particularly his ardent fans, from the many revelations that will come out of the Mueller probe.

    There is so much smoke out there to implicate Trump in some sort of nefarious enterprise involving the Russians that it is obvious the President has problems. Problems staying in office that is.

  • utahcoyote St. George, UT
    Jan. 13, 2019 8:14 a.m.

    seems like there is a bit of artifice going on with trump and sudden desperate need for a wall. he had a gop controlled congress for 2 years and it really seemed like no big deal to him. it was all about tax cuts, trade sanctions, golf junkets and mean tweeting.

    now he has lost the house of representative to the democrats and wall is the most important thing since the invention of the wheel. its so important that he has to shutdown the federal government to a certain extent. why didn't he do that when the gop controlled congress?

    pew research data clearly shows that illegal immigration at the southern border has been trending down for many years, and its acknowledged that well over 90% of the drug traffic crosses at legal entry points. the terrorist claims are just as laughable, as there were more terror related entries on the northern border.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 13, 2019 7:19 a.m.

    Having lived in various countries that have turmoil of Presidential dictators and tyrannical leaders in Asia, Central and South America, it takes them decades to recover, if they ever do fully.

    They still have fear of what their relatives went through.

    Being yanked from your home at night or being thrown in a prison with electrified metal bed frame missing a mattress is not ver appealing.

    Government as we know it is supposed to be a protection for people living in the United States of America with law and order.

    I heard the Chants of a Trump Campaign on the news yesterday and it was definitely missing the sounds of freedom.

  • Butch wax , 00
    Jan. 13, 2019 6:48 a.m.

    Media's working overtime this morning.
    Lets get the wall built.

  • dordrecht Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 10:07 p.m.

    The National Emergency has a name. It's Donald Trump.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 1:54 p.m.

    @Red Smith - , 00
    Jan. 12, 2019 9:54 a.m.
    May God continue to bless and protect President Trump - a working man and woman's president."

    Trump has never worked a day in his life. He inherited 400 million dollars and is highly leveraged. Also, ask all the working men and women, that have over 2500 pending lawsuits against Trump for non- payment, what they think of Trump.

  • Joe Leaphorn Scottsdale, AZ
    Jan. 12, 2019 1:45 p.m.

    Thid Barker - Victor, ID
    Jan. 12, 2019 8:28 a.m.

    "Majorities in 30 states elected President Trump . . . "

    You forgot James Comey and the Russians. Perhaps you are not getting the news of Russian interference with your primary news sources, but you can pick up any of the major newspapers and read the developing story.

    Now we have a new story out of the NY Times about Donald Trump possibly working with the Russians for some reason yet unknown to the detriment of the United States. It appears that Vladimir Putin really wanted Trump to be president and thought he might be useful in attaining the Russian agenda in the world.

    Also, several of those states came through very small margin of less than 100,000 votes. In Michigan alone, more people didn't vote for a presidential candidate than voted for other political candidates according to post-election surveys. This has been discussed many times before in these threads, yet many die-hard Trumpies fail to understand or accept the role of Russian interference in the 2016 election. Remember, Hillary won the popular vote by over 3 million. In 2018 Democrats received more than 10 million votes than Republican candidates.

  • Mad Hatter Santa Fe, NM
    Jan. 12, 2019 1:26 p.m.

    ute alumni - Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 5:51 a.m.

    "Build the wall."

    Could you please provide schematics at to what your idea of a wall is? Donald Trump is all over the place with a "wall" built of pre-cast concrete slabs, "steel fence" or "steel slats" and some other barrier of undefined construction. Can you provide a drawing and/or example of what your idea of a "wall" is?

    The Border Patrol reports that tunnels have been discovered going under already constructed wall. DHS has shown that the steel fence is easy to cut through as demonstrated by their own tests. In fact, all wall proto-types have been shown to be vulnerable to various attempts at defeating them. So what kind of "wall" are you talking about? In fact, Trump talked about going around, over, under or through concrete walls back in 2004.

    Many think Trump's "wall" is just a black hole into which we just throw about $6 billion so he can say he "built his wall". Don't you have any ideas for better ways to put the money? And since more threats have been shown to come across the northern border, what about that? Rather than calling for a "wall", tell us all what this "wall" would be. Let's not call it "peaches".

  • Utefan60 , 00
    Jan. 12, 2019 1:23 p.m.

    DN Subscriber - Cottonwood Heights, UT, biased? Really that is what you pull out of the hat? Biased News?

    This hard and fast truth is hard for Conservatives to swallow. But it is truth and not just biased news. This damaging shutdown is in Trump's hands, and facts do not support the reasons for his wall. The temper tantrums continue, and sadly his supporters deflect from real truth.

    But deflect and call out bias. wow.....

  • wgirl Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 1:19 p.m.

    @Red: "When tractors came along, farm workers were laid off."

    Yes,and now when natural gas and renewable energy have come along coal is becoming obsolete.

    Now, when we have new technology that could scan cars and boats for narcotics and other drugs (which is how the vast majority of drugs enter our country) a "medieval" 1,000 mile long concrete wall is a waste of money. When we need more immigration judges and lawyers to process asylum claims faster, a 1,000 mile long wall - that border agents show can be tunneled under - is a terrible waste of money.

    There are things we need to fix - but the President cannot demonstrate with any kind of data or cohesive reasoning, how his wall would fix anything.

    He describes "left turns" and "right turns" that he thinks traffickers make, and then there is this:

    "And I looked, and every single car out there, even the really expensive ones that the Secret Service uses — and believe me they are expensive — I said, 'Do they all have wheels?' 'Yes.' 'Oh. I thought it was medieval.' The wheel is older than the wall. You know that? There are some things that work. A wheel works and a wall works."

    (Wheels are not older than walls...by the way)

  • 1aggie Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 1:17 p.m.

    Republicans failed. They failed getting wall legislation passed.

    Why didn’t Trump shut down the govt over this issue when Republicans controlled Congress?

  • WallE Walla Walla, WA
    Jan. 12, 2019 12:54 p.m.

    This President simply wants Congress to abdicate it's responsibility over "power of the purse" and just give him a bag full of money to do as his base pleases. If Congress gave him money for more effective measures, such as cameras and drones rather than a wall, should he use the money as appropriated by Congress? The President isn't a king; Congress determines the priorities and the President executes the priorities to the best of his ability.

    Declaring an Emergency to take the funds from other purposes without a real emergency is taking power from Congress in defiance of our Constitution. Republicans, Democrats and all citizens should be very concerned about taking this kind of power away from Congress and the consequences to the Constitution!

  • wgirl Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 12:56 p.m.

    Trump wanted this shutdown, "I'm proud to shut down the government." He and his supporters own it - no matter how hard they try to blame others.

    Democrats compromised on a bill last year - they were told the President would sign. He reneged. They compromised on a CR bill that would keep the government open that Trump said he would sign, but his favorite TV personalities talked him out of it - again, he reneged.

    The Democratic controlled House put for the same bill. McConnell is protecting Trump and refuses to put it up for a vote - it passed 100 - 0 before. The House also wrote 4 bills that would open all of the agencies that have nothing to do with immigration, again, the Senate protecting Trump won't put them up for a vote.

    Others, including Trump, have pointed out that Dems have supported border security in the past, including funding for sections of wall. Dems are currently funding and do support border security. This is not about border security - it is about Trump's big 1,000 mile wall.

    Trump wrote during his campaign that Mexico could pay for the wall with a "one time payment of 5 - 10 Billion."

    Now he demands the American people pay it or he will make them suffer.

  • J. Smith Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 10:49 a.m.

    The Wall started as an applause line at Trump’s campaign rallies, and has morphed into one of the dumbest policy debates in the history of American politics.

  • dmcvey Los Angeles, CA
    Jan. 12, 2019 10:48 a.m.

    The Republicans controlled all the branches of the govt for 2 years. There was a deal that both Dems and Trump agreed to; money for border control and helping Dreamers, they agreed to it and then suddenly Trump backed out.

    It makes me think that the only reason this is suddenly and emergency is that the Dems now control Congress. The Republicans could have dealt with this when they controlled the govt.

  • one old man MSC, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 10:34 a.m.

    "It's high time to lay off federal workers who are no longer useful. We can't afford to have hundreds of thousands of do nothing jobs."

    =====

    Oh for goodness sakes . . .

    Wanta bet what kind of whimpering and whining we'd soon be hearing if people who post comments like that suddenly realize how much those workers were actually doing for them?

  • 1conservative Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 10:18 a.m.

    Bluehusky - I'm still laughing at your comment.

    If what you say is true, - why isn't Hillary president? Why did democrats lose 2 seats in the Senate?
    And before you ask - Republicans lost the House because they acted more like democrats, than they did actual conservative Republicans.

    Its' doubtful McAdams will re-elected, so there goes at least one seat in the House. Then there are the other motley bunch, socialists and some who swear like sailors. (no offense to sailors)

    Do you really think their voters are going to give them another term??

  • Red Smith , 00
    Jan. 12, 2019 9:54 a.m.

    May God continue to bless and protect President Trump - a working man and woman's president.

    The Federal Gov't is twice the size it should be. We just don't need those 800,000 federal workers anymore.

    When tractors came along, farm workers were laid off. When robots came along, car workers were laid off. When computers and the internet came along, office workers were laid off.

    It's high time to lay off federal workers who are no longer useful. We can't afford to have hundreds of thousands of do nothing jobs.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Jan. 12, 2019 9:38 a.m.

    The more Trump equivocates on declaring a national emergency, the weaker his legal and political arguments become.

    Trump either believes it is a national emergency or he does not.

    Emergencies are responded do as if they were, you know, emergencies. Fireman don't sit around at the station after an alarm rings, calmly debating all the different ways a homeowner might handle the situation themselves. EMS teams don't wait patiently at a red light if they think someone's life is on the line.

    But here is Trump and the GOP.

    After 2 years of inaction on the alleged crisis and now with a record-breaking shutdown, they remain undecided whether or not it constitutes an emergency.

    Not terribly persuasive, to the courts or the electorate, and getting less so with each passing day.

  • Lew Elton Jeppson Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 9:33 a.m.

    A president that holds a nation hostage to get what he wants
    is a dictator.

  • one old man MSC, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 9:10 a.m.

    We have been completely betrayed by BOTH parties AND by trump.

    If any wall is built, it should surround the White House and the Capitol.

    We need a whole lot more protection from those people than we need from any refugees seeking asylum.

    I hope every American with even a little good sense and intelligence will remember this in November 2020 and we will actually impose term limits on every one of those who infest our national offices.

  • Semi-PRO Brigham City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 9:05 a.m.

    It would be a good idea to have Mexico pay for this shutdown.

    They are paying for the wall, I've been told, so make them also pay for the shutdown.

  • mohokat , 00
    Jan. 12, 2019 9:02 a.m.

    Oh heck yes it's all Trumps fault. Ridiculous hit piece. These Dems Schumer and company as late as 2013 were in favor of a wall. Shummer himself voted for $25 billion. On the Dems part this is not about a wall it is about Trump. As in its political. The Dems would vote against oxygen if Trump was for it. Has Congress presented a bill to Trump? No! Has Trump vetoed a bill? No! Then it is not Trump. Associated Press. Bunk!

  • BlueHusky Saratoga Springs, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 8:53 a.m.

    Look at the last election.

    Democrats: Young men and women. Whites. Blacks. Latins. Muslims. Scientists, musicians, educators, innovators. In short: a cross-section of America. Philosophy: Education, World leadership. justice for all. Free Trade. Pro Science. Pro Environment.

    Republicans: Old white men. Some old white women. A few old LDS men. Evangelicals. Trump. In short: Mostly old, white, male Americans. Philosophy: Evangelical Bible Christianity. White America First. Tariffs and trade wars. Anti Environment. Anti Science. Anti Education. Isolation from world affairs.

    Utah is a very fast growing state. The historical white LDS rural focus is gone with the wind. Keeping Utah beautiful, becoming cosmopolitan, clean air and water, and adapting to national mores will be a challenge.

    The Democrats are the future. Trump is the past. The GOP has to regain its libertarian footing. Trump is fascism. Hitlerian. I hope Trump and his ilk does not destroy the Republican Party. But the GOP has to examine what they have become. The GOP will suffer for its racist, fascist, Trump isolationism.

    They will be crushed in the next general election. Perhaps they will learn.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 8:54 a.m.

    Our Intelligence Agencies and FBI including all Federal Departments are filled with dedicated civil servants that are not political appointees. The provide services that are essential for each and everyone of us.

    The IRS workers in Utah and around the United States of America are vital for our budgetary systems to work in every state and local entity.

    “We believe in being subject to presidents , in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.”

    However, “We believe that governments were instituted of God for the benefit of man; and that he holds men accountable for their acts in relation to them, both in making laws and administering them, for the good and safety of society.”

    Accountability is also in our Congressional elected officials that were just elected, especially in the House of Representatives.

    They get elected every two years for a reason, to let their constituents deal with the Representative’s behavior.

    It appears Mia Love has a different opinion of the President now than when she was in office.

    Attitudes change when circumstances or evidence and facts come out.

    Living through the impacts of a Republican shutdown in 1995 and for Trump and Gingrich, deplorable.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 8:33 a.m.

    The buck stopped last at Obama. Now the blame shifter spins the buck away.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 12, 2019 8:28 a.m.

    Majorities in 30 states elected President Trump to correct the many failures of his predecessors! Great leaders always have critics because critics don't recognize or admit past failures! Open borders and the suffering this is causing on both sides of our border is ample evidence of failure of past presidents to enforce laws Congress passed! The "wall" is only necessary to correct the consequences of weaknesses of past presidents!

    President Trump is a leader President, not just a manager President, quite the opposite of former "manager" but not leader presidents. Leaders Presidents are elected to maintain competitive advantage of our nation. It’s their job to hold court with the status quo and overthrow it when necessary. Manager Presidents preserve their own failures. Leader Presidents disturb and correct failures. Manager Presidents follow the script, even if its wrong. Leader Presidents write the script. Leader Presidents create value tomorrow not re-create past failures! Finally, we have a leader in the WH! Of course he will take heat from critics, leaders always do! Abraham Lincoln is a great example of what President Trump is leading us through!

  • pragmatistferlife Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 8:23 a.m.

    The wall shutdown is a pure temper tantrum by Trump.

    If it's about securing the border Congress is responsible for funding such policies and actions. They did..twice. Once they gave 1.6 billion (not spent) and in late December they offered an additional 1.3 billion. They did their job.

    Trump didn't get his arbitrary and meaningless number of 5 billion the second time (who does get what they want in true negotiations) so he refuses to sign the bill and shuts down the government.

    Democrats have offered a way out by opening all departments except DHS so negotiations on the wall funding could continue but Trump refuses.

    So who is holding whom hostage.

    Congress did their job, and Democrats have offered a way out with continued negotiations and only one person continues to say no, no, no I want it all...Trump.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Jan. 12, 2019 8:07 a.m.

    DN Subscriber - "Another hit piece from Associated Press which parrots all the Democrat talking points.
    Nice as an opinion piece but too biased to be considered "news."

    (The truth sounds very strange when you first hear it.)

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 7:43 a.m.

    " as President Donald Trump and nervous Republicans scrambled to find a way out of the mess."

    Gee. I know a way. Trump's ego got him into this mess. His ego keeps the shutdown going. HE is not going to change, nor back down, no matter how many Americans and businesses get harmed. But, the GOP controlled Senate can fix this. They can pass the House spending bill-the same one that they supported when the GOP controlled the House. The vote was 100-0. If they will pass that bill and stick with what little spine they have left, they can pass a veto proof spending bill and open the government in days.

  • Greybird7 ,
    Jan. 12, 2019 7:00 a.m.

    I do think that our southern border requires more fencing, and it is way past time for Congress to put make changes to our immigration policies. However, I am troubled about the impact of this government shutdown. Innocent people are suffering. On the Navajo Nation, for example, the sick and injured can't get to medical facilities,
    children cannot get to school, families go hungry, and roads remain unplowed. The longer this fight goes on, the greater the chance that suffering will turn into tragedy. Government's job is to govern, not to mire itself in an endless stalemate. Congress and the White House
    need to step back from the brink, and see the big picture. It is time to reach a compromise, fund the affected agencies, and reopen the government. The clock is ticking.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Jan. 12, 2019 6:54 a.m.

    It is all on the President. He said so on national TV. He wants it, possibly to distract the American public from disclosures about his many ethical lapses and financial entanglements.

    Don't blame the Democrats, Pelosi either. Senate Majority Leader McConnell passed a bill a few weeks ago virtually identical to what the Speaker proposes. Maybe the Senate controlled GOP has blame, but not the House.

    GOP, accept your responsibility in this disastrous event. You elected a stubborn would-be oligarch. Figure out what you can do, and let the American people know who you really are.

  • Utefan60 , 00
    Jan. 12, 2019 5:57 a.m.

    Trump's self proclaimed shutdown has hurt millions of people, except himself. Sad that this self serving person can do so much damage to millions of Americans, and damage hundreds of thousands of American Government Employees and not even care. And he doesn't. Only a deflection from Mueller.

    That is the sad reality under the Trump scenario. That is also the reality for Mitch McConnell who rightfully being attacked and screamed at. He avoids being seen, as people are righteously very angry at his refusal to allow a vote. We are held hosage.

    The GOP is 100% to blame for this blackmail from Trump. Romney even supports the ridiculous wall. I guess this shutdown won't hurt him after his windfall of millions with the GOP tax give away to the ultra rich.

    But is sure does hurt the average American who is supposed to be supported by the President and Senators Romney and Lee.

    Don't see any compassion for the real people suffering. And in this unreal world many of those hurting are the rabid Trump supporters. They have been duped, and still follow like blind mice.

  • Mad Hatter Santa Fe, NM
    Jan. 12, 2019 4:41 a.m.

    It can't escape notice that whenever a new scandal erupts for Donald Trump, he looks for some event to distract and divert public attention away from his increasing problems.. For some, the government shutdown, in addition to being a cruel way to force a concession from Congress to fund Trump's vanity wall, looked to go on because of news that Michael Cohen agreed to testify publicly before Congress about his activities on behalf of Trump.

    Now we have an even greater story coming out of the NYTimes that the FBI had opened an inquiry into whether Trump was secretly working on behalf of Russia. If there is anything that might make Trump lengthen the government shutdown to strike out at the forces closing in on him beyond the Mueller probe and the work being done by the Southern District of New York, this is it.

    One can see the spigots opening up to full volume within House investigative committees with this newest revelation of the Trump-Russia connection. There is so much coming out that it is difficult to keep up. This latest news may result in more Republicans defecting from the Trump Train, resulting in Congress passing veto-proof legislation to re-open the government.

  • Jim Chee Lahaina, HI
    Jan. 12, 2019 1:20 a.m.

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    . . . latest fraud? Almost a million federal workers furloughed or working without pay. Maybe a third that number of contractors furloughed will never see a paycheck for time lost. Thousands of small businesses that cater to these federal workers losing business and revenue. The costs to the American economy have not been determined, but Trump's Folly continues while his supporters approve his shutdown as if they believe they won't get burned sticking their hands in a hot flame.

    Since these folk usually get their information from Trump propaganda outlets like Fox News, perhaps we can't fault them from putting their hands in that flame. But it is difficult to believe that 25% of the population continues to believe the federal shutdown was a good strategy take America hostage for something that had been discredited as an effective deterrent when it was first proposed. Maybe these people don't know anyone affected by the shutdown? Maybe they haven't been affected directly? However, they can imagine what it would be like to miss a paycheck when the rent or mortgage payment is due.

    Government employees should never be pawns in political games. It's immoral.

  • Jim Chee Lahaina, HI
    Jan. 12, 2019 1:19 a.m.

    "The sky is falling! The sky is falling."

    The scam continues. No one would think that you don't get burned after placing your hand in a hot flame, but listening to Donald Trump, that's exactly what he's basically telling us. "Truth" is what he decides to tell us depending on his mood at the time. This nonsense has gone on so long that it's beyond tiring. And the government shutdown, forced on us by an unhinged megalomaniac with a strong authoritarian streak, is all about getting his absolutely useless Vanity Wall built . Even members of the border patrol told him that tunnels are being dug to go under existing border walls.

    The only national crisis is this one of Trump's own creation. He said he would claim responsibility. After he put it into effect and the blow back came roaring back at him, he started to blame the whole mess on others. And like his threat to shut down the government at his discretion, his "national emergency" is also a discretionary. What national emergency is ever discretionary?

    When is an emergency not an emergency? Maybe when it fits a political purpose and may be invoked at one's leisure. So where are we with Trump's . . . [more]

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  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 12:38 a.m.

    It's not just a shutdown. It's the biggest, the best, the most beautiful trump shutdown.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 11:48 p.m.

    Part of the core of this fight in Washington is for the extreme right or extreme left to win at all costs. The extreme right, extreme left, and obstructionists in both parties and the media are dangerous. They hurt our country a great deal and create instability in the government, country, and world. Those that are more moderate, reasonable, and can see the long-term view for our country have to step up and pull them back to the center. Both parties need to be called out on their crap as do the media that do not tell the truth. They need to get their egos and personal agendas out of what needs to be an agenda to address our country and the world's greatest needs at this time.

    Neither party or any president from either party should have the ability to shut down the gov't. over any issue. It is one of the most dysfunctional things they can do. They are elected to do the people's business and have the gov't run as efficiently and effectively as possible in the best interest of our country and the world. If they can't do this or won't do this they need to get out of Washington and out of the way for people that can and will do this.

  • California94131 SF, CA
    Jan. 11, 2019 11:05 p.m.

    It is almost criminal that Congress and the Potus continue to be paid and can leave town for the weekend while federal employees are getting blank pay stubs, and necessary public safety and health operations are hampered.

    Now is the time for that proposal to withhold pay from all federal elected officials any time they let their political priorities outweigh the well-being of our country. Some members of Congress, a few rare ones with integrity, have proposed it, but not surprisingly it goes nowhere among the majority of them.

    Trump, Pelosi, Schumer, McConnell, and all of Congress need to be locked up with no vacations and no pay until they fulfill their responsibility to the people who hired them .

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 11:05 p.m.

    Another hit piece from Associated Press which parrots all the Democrat talking points.
    Nice as an opinion piece but too biased to be considered "news."