Trump supporters help me understand the following facts that are indisputable.
First the President said there was a national emergency and sent troops to the
southern border on October 25th (I am sure that it was just a coincidence that
was right before the midterms). On November 19th apparently the crisis was over
because Trump sent the troops home (I am sure it was a coincidence that he was
taking heat for keeping troops away from their family on the southern border for
no reason during the holidays). Then on December 21st after a deall was agreed
to that would keep the government open, we have another crisis on the southern
border that requires a wall that couldn't be completed in less than 18
months but it is not enough of a crisis to send troops again, but it is enough
of a crisis to shut the government down (another coincidence being this came
right after Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh called the President on the carpet)
Please help me understand how this goes from crisis no crisis and
now a crisis again, but we don't need to send troops for this current
version of the crisis.
@mohokat - , 00"Oh heck yes it's all Trumps fault.
Ridiculous hit piece. These Dems Schumer and company as late as 2013 were in
favor of a wall. Shummer himself voted for $25 billion. On the Dems part this is
not about a wall it is about Trump. As in its political. The Dems would vote
against oxygen if Trump was for it. Has Congress presented a bill to Trump? No!
Has Trump vetoed a bill? No! Then it is not Trump. Associated Press.
Bunk!"= = = = =The Democratic House has sent bills to the
Senate (the very same bills the Senate voted 100-0 on 4 weeks ago). The Senate
(Read: Mitch McConnell) has REFUSED to put them to a vote. Trump REFUSES to
negotiate the $5 Billion (That's not negotiating - that's holding
hostage). The shutdown BELONGS to TRUMP/McCONNELL and no one else!
The United States Constitution to go down to raise the Trump Medieval Wall. Sad.
8 in a row.."Living debt free is liberating. Everyone should give it a go.
Including the federal government or should I say the one’s who like to
redistribute wealth."Time to take a macro economics class again.
It's impossible for the US to have the dollar as the world currency and be
Since Donald Trump has move beyond simple abuse of office and use of government
shutdowns for political gain, it may be time for Congress to remove this option
from any and all to do more harm to innocent workers trying to do the job we
request of them. Such abuse of government employees for selfish gain is both
immoral and destructive to our democracy. If the administrative and
legislative branches can't do their jobs through debate, negotiation, and
compromise, then we have a situation where we need a new a new administration
and/or members in the legislative branch. The partisan tribalism that has come
to dominate our politics has become a strategy of politicians in the pursuit of
power. It is the people who need to step forward and make those we choose as
representatives or as leaders be accountable.Our Founders did not
want a dictator to rise up and control government with a Congress that would not
do it's constitutionally-required work. One can only imagine such an
authoritarian demanding something the people are strongly opposed to once again,
holding our government hostage, congressional representative too afraid to stop
this demagogue, giving in to such vanity.
@8 in a row"If the federal government has a partial shutdown (25%) and
nobody notices, is the federal government really shutdown? Maybe this is the
incentive to get off the government payroll. But I understand the benefits are
great... wether you are an employee or an entitled recipient."If
your company shipped your job overseas I wouldn't notice but I suspect it
wouldn't be fun for you.
@8 in a row: "if the federal government has a partial shutdown (25%) and
nobody notices, is the federal government really shutdown?"A lot
of people notice. Perhaps if all those people being forced to work without pay
simply walked out, you would notice. All the airports would shut
down with no air traffic controllers in the towers. There would be nobody to
process taxes as the season gets started. If the Coast Guard stopped working,
not only would tons of drugs enter the country, (literally tons of drugs are
confiscated by the Coast Guard every year) but people would die, and who would
guard Trump when he is at his luxury golf resort? The border patrol and customs
officials would not be on patrol, and employees at federal prisons would leave
those places unguarded. I think it is incredibly unfair to mock
these people and the jobs they do while they continue to do them for free. I
don't know why you think they all have cushy jobs, but they are obviously
important enough to force them to do them even without pay.How could
anyone that claims to support a balanced budget support Trump and the
Republicans that have added Trillions of dollars to our deficit, or support a
geekusprimus - Little Elm, TXJan. 13, 2019 2:49 p.m."This
is pathetic."Mitch McConnell can easily solve this problem
created by Donald Trump. He could also do a big favor for Republican members of
the Senate up for re-election in 2020.Since the Senate passed a
Continuing Resolution 100-0 back in December, the Senate could again pass such a
bill. Then the House would pass the bill. It would go to Trump's desk where
he can veto it.Then, the Senate would pass the same bill again with
a veto-proof majority (that's less that the 100 votes they used the first
time) and have the House do the same thing. There is no need for Trump's
signature and "poof", the crisis is over. After the debacle of last
year, House Republicans will run to approve such a measure regardless of Trump
throwing another tantrum.Where the White House is talking about
dragging out the shutdown until March, Congress appears to want it over as it
only hurts Republicans. Remember, Trump claimed credit and 75% of Americans
disapprove of his shutdown. And then the had the temerity to blame the American
people at a news gaggle. For a man who doesn't accept responsibility, that
was a new character low.
8 in a row! - Ogden, UTJan. 13, 2019 2:46 p.m."If the
federal government has a partial shutdown (25%) and nobody notices, is the
federal government really shutdown?"You have a partial shut
down. The impact depends on who is affected. If it's your job or it's
a service you depend upon being available, it may be significant. If you
aren't affected in any way, you may say, "Oh, well, it doesn't
bother me."The size and breadth of government services covers a
wide space developed over 240 years of government activity, requirements by
business interests, and desire to satisfy public wants and needs. Before
deciding what government services are unnecessary, consider yourself as an
administrator trying to accommodate your clients. It doesn't matter your
political ideology since government can grow like a Hydra by any partisan group
in power. There are things you don't like. There are things
many of us don't like. However, it doesn't follow that we all
don't all like the same things. Some things you may like, others man not
like. It's the way things are. You need to be specific. Policies?
Services?Remember, we have a covenant with one another. It's
called the U.S. Constitution.
What is a "discretionary emergency"? It a fire burns through a town and
lives are threatened, is that an emergency? Do we wait to see how many houses
are burned or do we immediately call the fire department? Generally, an
emergency is an event where immediate action needs to be taken since the event
is already occurring and a decision must be made as to the threat of not taking
any action? Doesn't "discretionary" mean some aspect of
making a decision? Once that decision has been made, we move to the next step in
the process: Did we decide we have an emergency or not? We don't have an
emergency and then decide whether it is a "real emergency" or "not
an emergency". The decision is made immediately after the event happens.
There is not the luxury of standing around and deciding at some later time.
There's a sequence in the process: Event --> Decision --> Result
(emergency or not emergency).The decision determines the result. If
it's a bad decision, a new decision is made. But you never have time to
decide when to make the decision. Everything is driven by the event. In
life-and-death situations, time is not a friend to be played with. Many events
make the decision for you.
This is pathetic. Apparently the American people elected children rather than
I support legal immigration. I support a balance budget. I’m flag waving nephew of my Uncle Sam. If the federal
government has a partial shutdown (25%) and nobody notices, is the federal
government really shutdown? Maybe this is the incentive to get off the
government payroll. But I understand the benefits are great... wether you are an
employee or an entitled recipient. Maybe the gridlock playbook is on
to somethig in terms of a balanced budget. Living debt free is
liberating. Everyone should give it a go. Including the federal government or
should I say the one’s who like to redistribute wealth. The
federal government has no right to mortgage the life’s of future
generations (taxpayers). I think we should fire both sides and start
over. I’m sure glad I’m busy earning a living... being
part of the UN debating society where nothing gets done sounds like a not so
rewarding career. God Bless America!
Butch: As soon as Mexico pays for it.
@ConservativeCommonTater - Salt Lake City, UTJan. 13, 2019 9:16 a.m.The world's greatest developer said it would cost $25 Billion to
build his wall. Now, it will cost only $5.7 Billion. There is nothing that
details how he saved $19.3 Billion so quickly.The Army Corp of Engineers
would have to sign off on this wall, made of something, but they haven't
even seen a rough draft of what the developer wants built.How can a budget
be proposed when there have been no quotes given, no materials decided upon, no
engineering studies done?Isn't that how the developer built a casino
that went bankrupt?This kind of raging lunacy is the sort of
intellect Trump faces coming from the left...The $5 billion in no
way will pay for the entire infrastructure needed and it has never been stated
by Trump that it will. He has requested for $5.7 to build the wall in THIS
budget.....in subsequent budgets he will request more to complete the
project.The engineering and design is not Trumps, that is left to
Gov't Officials whose job it s to construct such. That is like blaming a
POTUS for a bridge needed to span 3300 So. on I-215! on Trump because it wore
out?The democrats are the party of NO!
@thidIt doesn’t matter that trump was elected in 30 states.
The question is can he orignate spending bills and the answer is no. Congress needs to pass a veto proof bill to open the government because this
shutdown is a joke.
The greatest developer in the world, and he knows great developers, not as good
as him, because he is the greatest, wants to develop a concrete wall, maybe made
of steel slats, maybe made of something else.The world's
greatest developer said it would cost $25 Billion to build his wall. Now, it
will cost only $5.7 Billion. There is nothing that details how he saved $19.3
Billion so quickly.As a matter of fact, there are no studies, plans,
engineering specs or labor and materials quotes from anyone on how much it would
cost to build this wall, which would be made of something.The Army
Corp of Engineers would have to sign off on this wall, made of something, but
they haven't even seen a rough draft of what the developer wants built.How can a budget be proposed when there have been no quotes given, no
materials decided upon, no engineering studies done?That
doesn't matter. As many here have said and as the developer said;
"Build that wall." We will figure out the details later.Isn't that how the developer built a casino that went bankrupt?
Wall and Stall is the Trump game.Bob Mueller is Trump's real
concern.Don't look at the Russian investigation but look at The
Wall.Trump's Russian collusion is about to be exposed. But The Wall! The Wall! Look at The Wall!Is the $5 Billion
for the Trump defection?
By now it is pretty obvious to any rational person that this wall idea is only
conjured up by the President to distract the public, particularly his ardent
fans, from the many revelations that will come out of the Mueller probe.There is so much smoke out there to implicate Trump in some sort of
nefarious enterprise involving the Russians that it is obvious the President has
problems. Problems staying in office that is.
seems like there is a bit of artifice going on with trump and sudden desperate
need for a wall. he had a gop controlled congress for 2 years and it really
seemed like no big deal to him. it was all about tax cuts, trade sanctions,
golf junkets and mean tweeting.now he has lost the house of
representative to the democrats and wall is the most important thing since the
invention of the wheel. its so important that he has to shutdown the federal
government to a certain extent. why didn't he do that when the gop
controlled congress?pew research data clearly shows that illegal
immigration at the southern border has been trending down for many years, and
its acknowledged that well over 90% of the drug traffic crosses at legal entry
points. the terrorist claims are just as laughable, as there were more terror
related entries on the northern border.
Having lived in various countries that have turmoil of Presidential dictators
and tyrannical leaders in Asia, Central and South America, it takes them decades
to recover, if they ever do fully.They still have fear of what their
relatives went through.Being yanked from your home at night or being
thrown in a prison with electrified metal bed frame missing a mattress is not
ver appealing.Government as we know it is supposed to be a
protection for people living in the United States of America with law and
order.I heard the Chants of a Trump Campaign on the news yesterday
and it was definitely missing the sounds of freedom.
Media's working overtime this morning.Lets get the wall built.
The National Emergency has a name. It's Donald Trump.
@Red Smith - , 00Jan. 12, 2019 9:54 a.m.May God continue to bless
and protect President Trump - a working man and woman's president."Trump has never worked a day in his life. He inherited 400 million
dollars and is highly leveraged. Also, ask all the working men and women, that
have over 2500 pending lawsuits against Trump for non- payment, what they think
Thid Barker - Victor, IDJan. 12, 2019 8:28 a.m."Majorities
in 30 states elected President Trump . . . "You forgot James
Comey and the Russians. Perhaps you are not getting the news of Russian
interference with your primary news sources, but you can pick up any of the
major newspapers and read the developing story.Now we have a new
story out of the NY Times about Donald Trump possibly working with the Russians
for some reason yet unknown to the detriment of the United States. It appears
that Vladimir Putin really wanted Trump to be president and thought he might be
useful in attaining the Russian agenda in the world.Also, several of
those states came through very small margin of less than 100,000 votes. In
Michigan alone, more people didn't vote for a presidential candidate than
voted for other political candidates according to post-election surveys. This
has been discussed many times before in these threads, yet many die-hard
Trumpies fail to understand or accept the role of Russian interference in the
2016 election. Remember, Hillary won the popular vote by over 3 million. In
2018 Democrats received more than 10 million votes than Republican candidates.
ute alumni - Salt Lake City, UTJan. 12, 2019 5:51 a.m."Build the wall."Could you please provide schematics at to
what your idea of a wall is? Donald Trump is all over the place with a
"wall" built of pre-cast concrete slabs, "steel fence" or
"steel slats" and some other barrier of undefined construction. Can you
provide a drawing and/or example of what your idea of a "wall" is?The Border Patrol reports that tunnels have been discovered going under
already constructed wall. DHS has shown that the steel fence is easy to cut
through as demonstrated by their own tests. In fact, all wall proto-types have
been shown to be vulnerable to various attempts at defeating them. So what kind
of "wall" are you talking about? In fact, Trump talked about going
around, over, under or through concrete walls back in 2004.Many
think Trump's "wall" is just a black hole into which we just throw
about $6 billion so he can say he "built his wall". Don't you have
any ideas for better ways to put the money? And since more threats have been
shown to come across the northern border, what about that? Rather than calling
for a "wall", tell us all what this "wall" would be. Let's
not call it "peaches".
DN Subscriber - Cottonwood Heights, UT, biased? Really that is what you pull
out of the hat? Biased News?This hard and fast truth is hard for
Conservatives to swallow. But it is truth and not just biased news. This
damaging shutdown is in Trump's hands, and facts do not support the
reasons for his wall. The temper tantrums continue, and sadly his supporters
deflect from real truth. But deflect and call out bias. wow.....
@Red: "When tractors came along, farm workers were laid off."Yes,and now when natural gas and renewable energy have come along coal is
becoming obsolete. Now, when we have new technology that could scan
cars and boats for narcotics and other drugs (which is how the vast majority of
drugs enter our country) a "medieval" 1,000 mile long concrete wall is a
waste of money. When we need more immigration judges and lawyers to process
asylum claims faster, a 1,000 mile long wall - that border agents show can be
tunneled under - is a terrible waste of money. There are things we
need to fix - but the President cannot demonstrate with any kind of data or
cohesive reasoning, how his wall would fix anything.He describes
"left turns" and "right turns" that he thinks traffickers make,
and then there is this:"And I looked, and every single car out
there, even the really expensive ones that the Secret Service uses — and
believe me they are expensive — I said, 'Do they all have
wheels?' 'Yes.' 'Oh. I thought it was medieval.' The
wheel is older than the wall. You know that? There are some things that work. A
wheel works and a wall works."(Wheels are not older than
walls...by the way)
Republicans failed. They failed getting wall legislation passed. Why
didn’t Trump shut down the govt over this issue when Republicans
This President simply wants Congress to abdicate it's responsibility over
"power of the purse" and just give him a bag full of money to do as his
base pleases. If Congress gave him money for more effective measures, such as
cameras and drones rather than a wall, should he use the money as appropriated
by Congress? The President isn't a king; Congress determines the
priorities and the President executes the priorities to the best of his ability.
Declaring an Emergency to take the funds from other purposes
without a real emergency is taking power from Congress in defiance of our
Constitution. Republicans, Democrats and all citizens should be very concerned
about taking this kind of power away from Congress and the consequences to the
Trump wanted this shutdown, "I'm proud to shut down the
government." He and his supporters own it - no matter how hard they try to
blame others. Democrats compromised on a bill last year - they were
told the President would sign. He reneged. They compromised on a CR bill that
would keep the government open that Trump said he would sign, but his favorite
TV personalities talked him out of it - again, he reneged. The
Democratic controlled House put for the same bill. McConnell is protecting Trump
and refuses to put it up for a vote - it passed 100 - 0 before. The House also
wrote 4 bills that would open all of the agencies that have nothing to do with
immigration, again, the Senate protecting Trump won't put them up for a
vote.Others, including Trump, have pointed out that Dems have
supported border security in the past, including funding for sections of wall.
Dems are currently funding and do support border security. This is not about
border security - it is about Trump's big 1,000 mile wall.Trump
wrote during his campaign that Mexico could pay for the wall with a "one
time payment of 5 - 10 Billion." Now he demands the American
people pay it or he will make them suffer.
The Wall started as an applause line at Trump’s campaign rallies, and has
morphed into one of the dumbest policy debates in the history of American
The Republicans controlled all the branches of the govt for 2 years. There was a
deal that both Dems and Trump agreed to; money for border control and helping
Dreamers, they agreed to it and then suddenly Trump backed out.It
makes me think that the only reason this is suddenly and emergency is that the
Dems now control Congress. The Republicans could have dealt with this when they
controlled the govt.
"It's high time to lay off federal workers who are no longer useful. We
can't afford to have hundreds of thousands of do nothing jobs."=====Oh for goodness sakes . . . Wanta bet what
kind of whimpering and whining we'd soon be hearing if people who post
comments like that suddenly realize how much those workers were actually doing
Bluehusky - I'm still laughing at your comment.If what you say
is true, - why isn't Hillary president? Why did democrats lose 2 seats in
the Senate?And before you ask - Republicans lost the House because they
acted more like democrats, than they did actual conservative Republicans.Its' doubtful McAdams will re-elected, so there goes at least one
seat in the House. Then there are the other motley bunch, socialists and some
who swear like sailors. (no offense to sailors)Do you really think
their voters are going to give them another term??
May God continue to bless and protect President Trump - a working man and
woman's president.The Federal Gov't is twice the size it
should be. We just don't need those 800,000 federal workers anymore.When tractors came along, farm workers were laid off. When robots came
along, car workers were laid off. When computers and the internet came along,
office workers were laid off.It's high time to lay off federal
workers who are no longer useful. We can't afford to have hundreds of
thousands of do nothing jobs.
The more Trump equivocates on declaring a national emergency, the weaker his
legal and political arguments become.Trump either believes it is a
national emergency or he does not.Emergencies are responded do as if
they were, you know, emergencies. Fireman don't sit around at the station
after an alarm rings, calmly debating all the different ways a homeowner might
handle the situation themselves. EMS teams don't wait patiently at a red
light if they think someone's life is on the line.But here is
Trump and the GOP.After 2 years of inaction on the alleged crisis
and now with a record-breaking shutdown, they remain undecided whether or not it
constitutes an emergency.Not terribly persuasive, to the courts or
the electorate, and getting less so with each passing day.
A president that holds a nation hostage to get what he wants is a
We have been completely betrayed by BOTH parties AND by trump.If any
wall is built, it should surround the White House and the Capitol.We
need a whole lot more protection from those people than we need from any
refugees seeking asylum.I hope every American with even a little
good sense and intelligence will remember this in November 2020 and we will
actually impose term limits on every one of those who infest our national
It would be a good idea to have Mexico pay for this shutdown. They
are paying for the wall, I've been told, so make them also pay for the
Oh heck yes it's all Trumps fault. Ridiculous hit piece. These Dems Schumer
and company as late as 2013 were in favor of a wall. Shummer himself voted for
$25 billion. On the Dems part this is not about a wall it is about Trump. As in
its political. The Dems would vote against oxygen if Trump was for it. Has
Congress presented a bill to Trump? No! Has Trump vetoed a bill? No! Then it is
not Trump. Associated Press. Bunk!
Look at the last election.Democrats: Young men and women. Whites.
Blacks. Latins. Muslims. Scientists, musicians, educators, innovators. In
short: a cross-section of America. Philosophy: Education, World leadership.
justice for all. Free Trade. Pro Science. Pro Environment.Republicans: Old white men. Some old white women. A few old LDS men.
Evangelicals. Trump. In short: Mostly old, white, male Americans. Philosophy:
Evangelical Bible Christianity. White America First. Tariffs and trade wars.
Anti Environment. Anti Science. Anti Education. Isolation from world affairs.Utah is a very fast growing state. The historical white LDS rural focus
is gone with the wind. Keeping Utah beautiful, becoming cosmopolitan, clean air
and water, and adapting to national mores will be a challenge. The
Democrats are the future. Trump is the past. The GOP has to regain its
libertarian footing. Trump is fascism. Hitlerian. I hope Trump and his ilk does
not destroy the Republican Party. But the GOP has to examine what they have
become. The GOP will suffer for its racist, fascist, Trump isolationism.They will be crushed in the next general election. Perhaps they will
Our Intelligence Agencies and FBI including all Federal Departments are filled
with dedicated civil servants that are not political appointees. The provide
services that are essential for each and everyone of us. The IRS
workers in Utah and around the United States of America are vital for our
budgetary systems to work in every state and local entity.“We
believe in being subject to presidents , in obeying, honoring, and sustaining
the law.”However, “We believe that governments were
instituted of God for the benefit of man; and that he holds men accountable for
their acts in relation to them, both in making laws and administering them, for
the good and safety of society.”Accountability is also in our
Congressional elected officials that were just elected, especially in the House
of Representatives.They get elected every two years for a reason, to
let their constituents deal with the Representative’s behavior.It appears Mia Love has a different opinion of the President now than when she
was in office.Attitudes change when circumstances or evidence and
facts come out.Living through the impacts of a Republican shutdown
in 1995 and for Trump and Gingrich, deplorable.
The buck stopped last at Obama. Now the blame shifter spins the buck away.
Majorities in 30 states elected President Trump to correct the many failures of
his predecessors! Great leaders always have critics because critics don't
recognize or admit past failures! Open borders and the suffering this is causing
on both sides of our border is ample evidence of failure of past presidents to
enforce laws Congress passed! The "wall" is only necessary to correct
the consequences of weaknesses of past presidents! President Trump
is a leader President, not just a manager President, quite the opposite of
former "manager" but not leader presidents. Leaders Presidents are
elected to maintain competitive advantage of our nation. It’s their job to
hold court with the status quo and overthrow it when necessary. Manager
Presidents preserve their own failures. Leader Presidents disturb and correct
failures. Manager Presidents follow the script, even if its wrong. Leader
Presidents write the script. Leader Presidents create value tomorrow not
re-create past failures! Finally, we have a leader in the WH! Of course he will
take heat from critics, leaders always do! Abraham Lincoln is a great example of
what President Trump is leading us through!
The wall shutdown is a pure temper tantrum by Trump. If it's
about securing the border Congress is responsible for funding such policies and
actions. They did..twice. Once they gave 1.6 billion (not spent) and in late
December they offered an additional 1.3 billion. They did their job. Trump didn't get his arbitrary and meaningless number of 5 billion
the second time (who does get what they want in true negotiations) so he refuses
to sign the bill and shuts down the government.Democrats have
offered a way out by opening all departments except DHS so negotiations on the
wall funding could continue but Trump refuses.So who is holding whom
hostage. Congress did their job, and Democrats have offered a way
out with continued negotiations and only one person continues to say no, no, no
I want it all...Trump.
DN Subscriber - "Another hit piece from Associated Press which parrots all
the Democrat talking points.Nice as an opinion piece but too biased to be
considered "news."(The truth sounds very strange when you
first hear it.)
" as President Donald Trump and nervous Republicans scrambled to find a way
out of the mess."Gee. I know a way. Trump's ego got him
into this mess. His ego keeps the shutdown going. HE is not going to change, nor
back down, no matter how many Americans and businesses get harmed. But, the GOP
controlled Senate can fix this. They can pass the House spending bill-the same
one that they supported when the GOP controlled the House. The vote was 100-0.
If they will pass that bill and stick with what little spine they have left,
they can pass a veto proof spending bill and open the government in days.
I do think that our southern border requires more fencing, and it is way past
time for Congress to put make changes to our immigration policies. However, I am
troubled about the impact of this government shutdown. Innocent people are
suffering. On the Navajo Nation, for example, the sick and injured can't
get to medical facilities,children cannot get to school, families go
hungry, and roads remain unplowed. The longer this fight goes on, the greater
the chance that suffering will turn into tragedy. Government's job is to
govern, not to mire itself in an endless stalemate. Congress and the White
Houseneed to step back from the brink, and see the big picture. It is time
to reach a compromise, fund the affected agencies, and reopen the government.
The clock is ticking.
It is all on the President. He said so on national TV. He wants it, possibly
to distract the American public from disclosures about his many ethical lapses
and financial entanglements.Don't blame the Democrats, Pelosi
either. Senate Majority Leader McConnell passed a bill a few weeks ago
virtually identical to what the Speaker proposes. Maybe the Senate controlled
GOP has blame, but not the House.GOP, accept your responsibility in
this disastrous event. You elected a stubborn would-be oligarch. Figure out
what you can do, and let the American people know who you really are.
Trump's self proclaimed shutdown has hurt millions of people, except
himself. Sad that this self serving person can do so much damage to millions of
Americans, and damage hundreds of thousands of American Government Employees and
not even care. And he doesn't. Only a deflection from Mueller. That is the sad reality under the Trump scenario. That is also the reality
for Mitch McConnell who rightfully being attacked and screamed at. He avoids
being seen, as people are righteously very angry at his refusal to allow a vote.
We are held hosage.The GOP is 100% to blame for this blackmail from
Trump. Romney even supports the ridiculous wall. I guess this shutdown
won't hurt him after his windfall of millions with the GOP tax give away to
the ultra rich. But is sure does hurt the average American who is
supposed to be supported by the President and Senators Romney and Lee. Don't see any compassion for the real people suffering. And in
this unreal world many of those hurting are the rabid Trump supporters. They
have been duped, and still follow like blind mice.
It can't escape notice that whenever a new scandal erupts for Donald Trump,
he looks for some event to distract and divert public attention away from his
increasing problems.. For some, the government shutdown, in addition to being a
cruel way to force a concession from Congress to fund Trump's vanity wall,
looked to go on because of news that Michael Cohen agreed to testify publicly
before Congress about his activities on behalf of Trump.Now we have
an even greater story coming out of the NYTimes that the FBI had opened an
inquiry into whether Trump was secretly working on behalf of Russia. If there is
anything that might make Trump lengthen the government shutdown to strike out at
the forces closing in on him beyond the Mueller probe and the work being done by
the Southern District of New York, this is it.One can see the
spigots opening up to full volume within House investigative committees with
this newest revelation of the Trump-Russia connection. There is so much coming
out that it is difficult to keep up. This latest news may result in more
Republicans defecting from the Trump Train, resulting in Congress passing
veto-proof legislation to re-open the government.
2 of 2[continued]. . . latest fraud? Almost a million
federal workers furloughed or working without pay. Maybe a third that number of
contractors furloughed will never see a paycheck for time lost. Thousands of
small businesses that cater to these federal workers losing business and
revenue. The costs to the American economy have not been determined, but
Trump's Folly continues while his supporters approve his shutdown as if
they believe they won't get burned sticking their hands in a hot flame.Since these folk usually get their information from Trump propaganda
outlets like Fox News, perhaps we can't fault them from putting their hands
in that flame. But it is difficult to believe that 25% of the population
continues to believe the federal shutdown was a good strategy take America
hostage for something that had been discredited as an effective deterrent when
it was first proposed. Maybe these people don't know anyone affected by the
shutdown? Maybe they haven't been affected directly? However, they can
imagine what it would be like to miss a paycheck when the rent or mortgage
payment is due.Government employees should never be pawns in
political games. It's immoral.
"The sky is falling! The sky is falling."The scam continues.
No one would think that you don't get burned after placing your hand in a
hot flame, but listening to Donald Trump, that's exactly what he's
basically telling us. "Truth" is what he decides to tell us depending on
his mood at the time. This nonsense has gone on so long that it's beyond
tiring. And the government shutdown, forced on us by an unhinged megalomaniac
with a strong authoritarian streak, is all about getting his absolutely useless
Vanity Wall built . Even members of the border patrol told him that tunnels are
being dug to go under existing border walls.The only national crisis
is this one of Trump's own creation. He said he would claim responsibility.
After he put it into effect and the blow back came roaring back at him, he
started to blame the whole mess on others. And like his threat to shut down the
government at his discretion, his "national emergency" is also a
discretionary. What national emergency is ever discretionary? When
is an emergency not an emergency? Maybe when it fits a political purpose and may
be invoked at one's leisure. So where are we with Trump's . . .
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It's not just a shutdown. It's the biggest, the best, the most
beautiful trump shutdown.
Part of the core of this fight in Washington is for the extreme right or extreme
left to win at all costs. The extreme right, extreme left, and obstructionists
in both parties and the media are dangerous. They hurt our country a great deal
and create instability in the government, country, and world. Those that are
more moderate, reasonable, and can see the long-term view for our country have
to step up and pull them back to the center. Both parties need to be called out
on their crap as do the media that do not tell the truth. They need to get their
egos and personal agendas out of what needs to be an agenda to address our
country and the world's greatest needs at this time. Neither
party or any president from either party should have the ability to shut down
the gov't. over any issue. It is one of the most dysfunctional things they
can do. They are elected to do the people's business and have the
gov't run as efficiently and effectively as possible in the best interest
of our country and the world. If they can't do this or won't do this
they need to get out of Washington and out of the way for people that can and
will do this.
It is almost criminal that Congress and the Potus continue to be paid and can
leave town for the weekend while federal employees are getting blank pay stubs,
and necessary public safety and health operations are hampered. Now
is the time for that proposal to withhold pay from all federal elected officials
any time they let their political priorities outweigh the well-being of our
country. Some members of Congress, a few rare ones with integrity, have proposed
it, but not surprisingly it goes nowhere among the majority of them. Trump, Pelosi, Schumer, McConnell, and all of Congress need to be locked up
with no vacations and no pay until they fulfill their responsibility to the
people who hired them .
Another hit piece from Associated Press which parrots all the Democrat talking
points.Nice as an opinion piece but too biased to be considered