Inside the newsroom: Fighting 'a moral imperative' to deceive

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  • mez Denver, CO
    Jan. 15, 2019 8:53 p.m.

    I am as wary of liberal socialism as I am of authoritarian libertarian conservatism, in the middle east or anywhere in the world. In America, the goal is to be in the center. That's why we have a two party system. When we go too far in one direction, the other comes in to bring us back to center. Extreme fringes do nothing to help that goal.

  • Flipphone , 00
    Jan. 15, 2019 1:28 p.m.

    LOU Montana - Pueblo, CO
    Jan. 12, 2019 6:00 p.m.
    Cortez is the new face of America.

    Get used to it!

    I Do hope that you are Wrong!

  • SuzViews Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 15, 2019 2:13 a.m.

    “Elder Christofferson said he followed the reporting of Woodward and Bernstein as the Watergate story unfolded.

    ‘They didn't get everything right, but they got it mostly right,’ he said.”

    I don’t think Rep. Cortez’s intent was to deceive. Just as Elder Christofferson about Woodword, she may have not had all of her facts right, but she believed that her errors didn’t negate the moral imperative of her overall msg.

    She has a 🎯 on her back after giving her articulate & passionate rebuttal to POTUS’s fearmongering speech when he addressed the nation re: the wall.

    I spent time in N. Ireland on a political taxi tour viewing the effect of walls there & meeting with a noted religious leader who is trying to bring 2 conflicting religious groups into peaceful dialogues & proactive solutions. I’ll never forget his message—that physical walls become walls of the ❤️.

    I noted the same thing in Israel where I had the opportunity to have a Jewish (Settler) guide & Palestenian driver. They became friends when we insisted that we all eat @ the same table.

    Walls are not beautiful, they are ugly & divisive. There are smarter ways to solve problems than what was instituted in China in 300 B.C.!

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Jan. 14, 2019 8:22 a.m.

    Pol Pot/Khmer Rouge, Stalin, North Korea, the Sendero Luminoso (Shining Path Guerrillas), Mao Zedong, National Socialists, Jim Crow all had liberal motives.

    History does not judge a movement by the motives. History judges a movement by the actions.

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2019 8:15 p.m.

    When it comes to morality, It's getting tiresome to have kettles calling pots black. America, why is pornography so lucrative ? Furthermore, it's no secret that movies today are more racy and more profane than they were many years ago. The problem is a lot wider than just politicians. Much of the same could be said concerning veracity : all the pointing fingers create a mirror image effect. Only the labels are different.

  • pragmatistferlife Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2019 4:53 p.m.

    And that works both ways. The assertion that "Trump lies over a dozen times a day to the American people," is itself a lie, on its face.

    On it's face? Only if decide you to be overly literal and don't average the days when he only lies a couple of times with the days he lies 20 times. Or only count as one lie when he repeats the same lie 4 or 5 times.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2019 1:53 p.m.

    Vermonter among other sound thoughts expressed this idea: "So many fellow Americans fail to even try to understand the rationale of people who detest the lifestyle choices that Donald Trump has made, but voted for him anyway". True, but part of the picture has to be that when we looked at what our choices were, many felt they voted for the lessor of two evils.

    Moreover, we had just come off of 8 years of inept and biased Democratic leadership from Barack Obama who sat on the fence over most issues that weren't left leaning.

    Many millions of people find Mr. Trump's wavering and style to be very distasteful, yet many find some of his policies to be reasonable. Hence, millions hang in there with him until the GOP or the Democrats put forward a candidate of high integrity and leadership skill who presents better solutions to our many vexing problems including our immigration disaster.

    In the midst of all this we have the fickle and bitter democrats who along with the talking heads in the media talk a lot but don't say anything that helps very much.

  • Uncle_Dave Springville, UT
    Jan. 13, 2019 11:19 a.m.

    You have a moral imperative to be immoral. What?

  • fmalad Malad, ID
    Jan. 13, 2019 8:30 a.m.

    I guess the reason we have articles like this is because we elected the biggest liar in the history of mankind. Trump has told so many lies he can't keep them all straight. On top of his lies are infidelity, bulling and racism. Electing a narcissist usully isn't the best way to run a country.


  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2019 8:17 a.m.

    Assuming most of us agree there is such a thing as objective reality, in other words, that we seek to be rational, what better common denominator can there be among people than their mutual desire to find the truth of that reality? That is the whole point of science and, arguably, religion.

    The entire structure of a society fundamentally depends on the extent to which people subject their pursuit of power/influence to their pursuit of the truth.

    Conversely, the inversion of that relationship will, invariably, result in societal chaos and failure.

    It's a pattern repeated too many times over the centuries to ever be ignored now.

  • 1aggie Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2019 7:57 a.m.

    A recent study found senior citizens share/pass along more fake/false information than other age groups.

    Years ago we mostly got our information from similar sources—people with integrity like Walter Cronkite. Today the options are endless and many have difficulty separating fact from fiction and opinion from reality. “The other guy does it too” has become the accepted excuse for lying and deceit. American society and democracy is decaying before our eyes. Will we wake up in time to rescue it?

  • cmsense Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 13, 2019 7:48 a.m.

    "the truth shall set you free" should be our leaders motto, and our yardstick to judge.

    If the general public was more informed, and if our politicians would pay a price when they feed us 4 pinocchio information it would be less of a problem than it is.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Jan. 13, 2019 6:43 a.m.

    If a person truly believes that the ends do not justify the means, IMHO Trump would not be President. Nor a candidate for that office.

    Yet, here we are with a person in the White House who has a fundamental unfamiliarity with truth. Who is supported by a political party because they got their tax breaks and Supreme Court justices and some deregulatory impulses from industry insiders now in a position to deliver industry demands.

    The real villain is not some obscure freshman Congresswoman from New York, it is the GOP.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2019 1:43 a.m.

    Currently the most blatant example of deception is the Trump movement's insistence commonly observed facts be dismissed. For an outstanding example, Donald Trump ran for the presidency on his assertion (lie) that Barack Obama was not born in the United States. Finally Trump laid that lie to rest (I heard him with my own two ears), but his followers deny he ever made the Birther claim or that he ultimately denied it. They refuse to see what they see, or hear what they hear.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Jan. 12, 2019 11:38 p.m.

    An utterly brilliant and timely editorial.

    So many fellow Americans fail to even try to understand the rationale of people who detest the lifestyle choices that Donald Trump has made, but voted for him anyway.

    This group of people by and large, refuse to defend Trump’s personal life choices, his style of governing and most of his everyday statements and tweets.

    This group is at least 10% of American voters and perhaps as large as 20%. They are the key to Trump’s re-election or the election of a Democratic President in 2020.

    This group doesn’t like people who lie or bend the truth—be they Trump supporters, his political opponents, or journalists who think they have a moral imperative to bend the facts and the truth.

    But, they like our society’s focus and frequent questioning of and concern with those who have power across the political spectrum.

  • durwood kirby , 00
    Jan. 12, 2019 11:16 p.m.

    Truth is certainly difficult to come by these days. We must train ourselves to be able to spot falsehood when it appears. Also, the author’s political persuasion is not difficult to decipher as one read’s the essay.

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 10:38 p.m.

    This article reveals the irony that it is the Democrats who have been deliberately promoting Fake News. Combine that with our having Obama on videotape making secret promises to Russia's President, and we can see that the Democrat Party has been extensively involved in "projection": Accusing their enemies of the things they, themselves, have actually been doing.

  • srmiss USA, NV
    Jan. 12, 2019 9:41 p.m.

    For those who care to know, God ruled out these tactics long ago, even when you think you're justified. See D&C 10:25-28.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 7:09 p.m.

    "Authenticity means there can be no moral imperative to deceive for selfish gains. "

    Kind of like "Lying for the Lord." There is no such thing, in fact.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 7:05 p.m.

    "Authenticity means there can be no moral imperative to deceive for selfish gains. "

    And that works both ways. The assertion that "Trump lies over a dozen times a day to the American people," is itself a lie, on its face.

    But, often, a lie, even a blatant lie, told persistently enough, becomes the "truth" in the mind of the one telling it.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 6:26 p.m.

    "Authenticity means there can be no moral imperative to deceive for selfish gains. "

    Which means that Trump supporters, many that comment here, have to face the fact that Trump lies over a dozen times a day to the American people. It doesn't matter what the issue is, or the "gain". It's the fact that the US President doesn't have any credibility.

  • Grandma 20 Allen, TX
    Jan. 12, 2019 6:05 p.m.

    "O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive!" Sir Walter Scott--1808

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Jan. 12, 2019 6:00 p.m.

    Cortez is the new face of America.

    Get used to it!

  • 1Observer Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 4:13 p.m.

    Unfortunately the media plays into this deception game because everyone wants to “scoop” the story and rush forward without facts. Especially when the narrative of the story fits the bias of the journalist. There is an integrity crisis in our country and it is causing people to lose faith in both government and media, and seek truth in social media where they ultimately find solace in an echo chamber that comfortably fits into their own biases. Too many people are afraid to hear oppoising views and challenge their own thinking. Too many want to retreat to a “safe space” and not have to do any critical thinking on their own or hear something they might not agree with. And this is why it is so easy to lie to people - tell them what they want to believe and they will never challenge you.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Jan. 12, 2019 3:14 p.m.

    Too little and 2-3 years too late.