People -- you need to understand what is happening here. These lands are NOT
and have NEVER BEEN "Utah lands" and Utah has never had any kind of
ownership interest or claim in them. These lands have always been the property
of the United States and, in the Utah Enabling Act by which it became a state.
Utah FOREVER disclaimed (relinquished) anty right, title or interest in the land
(emphasis added).Bishop, Curtis, Stwart, Lee and Romney are trying to purloin
from the United States and its people property that is not and has never been
Utah's. They must not be allowed to do so.
Big Government, high taxes McAdams favors POTUS oversight on declaring Utah
Lands, BLM lands instead of trusting Utah to manage!So get
this......McAdams would rather have a bureaucrat from some other
state like Maxine Waters manage Utah than allowing the people of Utah to manage
it themselves. He trusts Maxine more than he does himself!
McAdams said he was going to represent everybody when he was running for
Congress. The majority of Utahns don't support the Antiquities Act, but it
seems Ben McAdams does.
Sounds to me like Utahans would rather have oil and gas lands that keep them
locked out. As well as no say in what private developers do with land, money,
gas, or oil. I don't want to ever hear an complaints for Utahans and not
getting a day in what their state does with their lands, like selling it off the
the highest bidder. Or not having open lands to enjoy. Serves the right.
Way to go Congressman Ben (I'm in way over my head) McAdams
The irony of McAdams position is that his predecessor, Democrat Bill Orton, was
betrayed by a former president who used the antiquities act to create the Grand
Maybe Wasatch Al should go and see this area which used to be called Bears Ears.
It is not all wonderous views and antiquities. Aproximatly 2/3 is sage brush
plain and simple and was impossible,because of the size, to be controlled.
Private land owners that were encircled by the monument also lost some of their
property rights. The strange thing is that this area was taken care of by the
locals for 150 years and still deemed pristine enough for this to be declared a
monument for political payback reasons. I can guarantee 2 things. #1 that no one
is going to try to drill oil on top of Abajo or any of the mountainous areas
that are no longer under management control #2 that now the monument is smaller
and actually allows for better protection of the antiquities. People will still
be able to see rare beauty whether inside the monument or out. Anybody that
thinks the Bears Ears monument was not too large does not have a clue as to how
large 1,000,000 acres is. Some prospective Can be gained by realizing it is
larger than Hoveenweep, Mesa Verde, Natural Bridges, Canyonlands, Arches,
Capital Reef, Bryce, and Zions all put together and the Grand Staircase was even
The use of the antiquities act has constituted an outside colonialistic
disregard of local rights in Utah. McAdams has shown he never should have been
elected to congress and should be removed at the first opportunity. He is
beholden the outside interests in New York City and San Francisco, not the local
interests in his district.
I’d suggest Senator Romney look beyond Senator Lee to see how Utahns
really feel about these issues. We are not interested in selling wilderness to
extracting companies. The sell out to the Trump reduction of Utah monuments by
our Utah legislators was a sad day for many Utahns. I wonder if Lee
and his cohorts would have blocked Bryce, Zion, and Arches National Parks, too?
Because heaven knows these pristine areas need to tur a profit to be of any
value, and besides they'll look so much better developed whether it be oil
jacks and gas pads or condominiums and gated communities for the donor classes.
"Romney, Lee, Bishop, Curtis and Stewart are either hopelessly ignorant of,
or are deliberately ignoring,"Exactly right . . . about a lot of
things . . .
Ben McAdams said "My preferred approach toward preserving our landscapes for
future generations and also balancing local interests is to bring people
together and forge a local consensus through listening and finding areas of
agreement." Hey Ben, that is exactly what Lee and Romney are trying to do.
But maybe you are already part of the Washington crowd that DOESN'T listen?
I really appreciate Senators Lee's comments as reported in this article.
I wish he could get more credit for his work in the senate. He knows what he
is doing and his word stands firm. We are fortunate to have him representing
our state in Washington.
Someone here said "Keep the land safe ; don't let it be despoiled."
Precisely, that is why the people, not a chief executive should be
making these decisions. Have you ever wondered why most state parks are taken
much better care of than federal parks and monuments? Let the
people who live there have some say. One person should not be empowered to do
this on his own.
We mustn't take land and turn it into National Monuments or Parks when it
could be sold to highest bidder and fracked, and members of Congress could
receive nice kickbacks, excuse me, campaign contributions. Wake up Utah, these
bills are not designed to allow you free run of the land, which by-the-way you
get to do if they're protected as monuments or parks
...and what part of 'We the people' do some not understand? Of
course, for those that want grandpa federal to take care of all their bills,
responsibilities, and life, it stands to reason that they want that to continue,
including not allowing 'the people' from the great state of Utah to
manage, take care of, and, albeit a stretch, to own their own land! The Civil
War brought an end to 'States rights', something that was a bedrock
principle of our founding, but then the progressives, the anti-liberty, the
'do-gooders' took root, and so goes our nation. It is like two kids
arguing, 'I want mom to make this, so you have to like it too.'
Independence by two adults is unheard of by the progressives. It is all about
doing what I say and what I want! If the environmentalists had their way, they
would declare the whole state a National Monument without even a flutter of the
eye, justified right down to displacing every landowner in the state to an
appendage of a federal office in Washington D.C., all for the benefit of the one
person that likes to climb a peak on the Utah-Nevada border and see a
unaccounted and unlabeled variant of a mosquito.
I say keep the act in place. Congress can’t even keep the government open.
There is zero chance they would get around to protecting anything.
We better quit "locking up" all of this nice developable land! Look at what a huge mistake it was to create all of these National
This was all Federal land to begin with. The farmer, ranchers and recreational
people didn’t have land taken away. During President Bush II,
no one in Congress pushed to redesignate the land from the Republican side in a
bipartisan way. Senator Romney needs to sit back as he is not the
President when he ran in 2012 and was going to undo everything that Presidents
Clinton and Obama has done.President Trump has done a lot of that
through his Executive Orders, which is a lot of the Rhetoric with the
Antiquities Act.The Democrats in the House will have a say on this
bill, as it is not just directed at Utah but all of the United States of
America’s land controlled by the Department of Interior.
First I think that they should worry about opening the Government. Paying our
workers. Then worry about this.Frankly Lee is more worried about his
own beliefs than do what is right. One said that two other states have it why
not us?How we just jump off a cliff because they did? Same idea. Get
the government open then lets worry about this.
Romney, Lee, Bishop, Curtis and Stewart are either hopelessly ignorant of, or
are deliberately ignoring, the conditions under which Utah was allowed to become
a state. All of the land from which Utah was carved, with the exception of
lands granted by the US government to certain recipients, belonged to the United
States. In order to become a state, Utah had to agree to the terms in Section 3
Paragraph Second of the Utah Enabling Act, as follows: That the people
inhabiting said proposed State do agree and declare that they forever disclaim
all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within the
boundaries thereof; and to all lands lying within said limits owned or held by
any Indian or Indian tribes; and that until the title thereto shall have been
extinguished by the United States, the same shall be and remain subject to the
disposition of the United States.Utah, in perpetuity, is forever
giving up all claim to any and all land not received by grant from the United
States (its owner). Utah, by his Senators/Representatives, is now trying to
violate this agreement. It must not be allowed to do so.Keep the
land safe ; don't let it be despoiled.
Representative Adams campaigned on the promise that he wouldn’t act and
vote in lockstep along Democratic Party lines but would instead represent the
best interests of the citizens of the State of Utah. With this stance he
demonstrates that he is, in fact, prone to vote with his party. Many
moderate citizens voted for you because of your professed bipartisanship, Ben.
We are watching and taking note.
Hmmm. "Who better knows how to treat the land than the people who live on
it?"Right. Trash, wildfires, graffiti, pillaged Indian relics,
jeeps and dirt bikes. This is is what happens when the "people" live on
the land. The Idaho Wilderness Area is still pristine. And Utah wants to destroy
and pillage its priceless scenic heritage?Mike Lee is an Ayn Rand
acolyte of nature destruction in the name of "progress". Read Atlas
Shrugged for a sample of the "Objectivist" view of nature: mighty
factories, powerful dams, super highways. Nature conquered for man's
"progress". I'm pretty OK with federal protection of special land.
The "citizens" just run jeeps and dirt bikes over the ancient artifacts
of the First Nations. Of course, there is the uranium ... we need more uranium!
Escalante has uranium! The mines near Moab still have uranium, last I heard. Why
despoil more Utah Indian land?Once it is gone, it is gone.
Let's preserve Utah's special beauty. Nobody needs to mine and pillage
Bears Ears and Escalante Staircase.
Didn't Take McAdams long to show his true colors ---- He simply
doesn't get it when it comes to big Gov't.
Hatch marches into Utah with the "Best President ever" and then against
overwhelming objections, Zinke, Hatch, Lee, other GOP members, and Trump do
their damage to the legacy of our lands. (The Outdoor retailers left for a
reason....all on the backs of the GOP)What a travesty. period.
Follow the money, even with Romney.As reported in this paper, some
of the lands removed have been put up for lease for the extraction industries
They will damage the beauty and nature of our pubic lands.No wonder
that Hatch, Lee, and Trump receive so much funding from extraction
industries.And don't forget Romney and Lee's GOP gave
over 40 $Billion back in taxes to the Koch Brothers. The masters that Hatch,
Romney and Lee serve/served are all too well known.
@TX BYU Fan - Heber City, UTHave you driven through Wyoning lately?
We drove up to Devil’s Tower last summer and it was disturbing to see
endless fracking station after fracking station with the occasional oil rig. Bears Ears & the Grand Staircase are beautiful areas unlike any in
the world. We need to protect and preserve these areas in our state as much as
possible. Unfortunately, I trust the federal government to protect
these lands more then our state legislature. Our economy generates more money
through tourism than any use of our federal lands (and by our I mean as
Americans not Utahns). Is destroying a beautiful national monument
that 100,000’s of people enjoy and use for recreation worth the state
leasing the land to oil, gas, or mining companies to destroy? The local people
in these rural areas need help with their economies so the quick fix is to lease
their land to a resource mining company to come in and devistate the environment
and surrounding ecosystems. Let’s help them turn their economies around in
other ways. Let’s embrace the people who want to come and see the amazing
beauty. Keep the conversation going in the direction of persevering
OUR lands Ben!
Please explain why just because a farmer in Utah wants his cows to have access
to public lands, the public then can’t access those lands. Too often the
local governments are awarding jurisdiction to relatives and friends.An old saying “the higher you sit the farther you see”So far Utah government has done little to convince me they can see very far
The Antiquities act was intended as an emergency power to allow the POTUS to
protect archaeological sites from looters while Congress decided whether it was
worthy of designation as a National Park or Historic Site.A National
Monument is supposed to be temporary.What the act really needs is a
time limit. At the time of designation as a Monument, a bill should be filed in
Congress for permanent status. That bill would be limited to action within that
Congressional year.If accepted, it would be beyond the reach of
succeeding presidents and would require another act of Congress to change. If
Congress under Obama, when he had both houses, had done that, it would have been
much more difficult for changes to be made unilaterally by the next POTUS to
Bears Ears.If Congress rejected the bill or failed to act on it
within the time limit, it would revert back to the original land status.They probably also need a 10 year waiting period before the same ground
could be resubmitted as a Monument to prevent the kind of gamesmanship we see
with continuing resolutions instead of a real budget. That would put it in the
hands of the next president.
If these lands are such a national treasure as representative McAdams says, then
why not designate them as national parks? But that would require an actual act
of Congress. Easier to let a president abuse The Antiquities Act and simply grab
millions of acres and call it a “monument “. It’s early
still, but I don’t see anything yet that rep McAdams is nothing more then
another big government liberal.
McAdams says ideally parties would come together on issues of land management,
specifically dealing with the creation of wilderness areas, monuments or
parks.Well, Utah leaders tried that with Clinton and Obama but those
Democrat presidents wouldn’t listen. They insisted on grabbing huge
tracks of land to placate their extremist environmental base. Scott
Groene of suwa says this bill is extremist? I’m sorry, but this bills
actually is mainstream thought—you know, let citizens decide the
utilization of their land resources instead of some far-off politico responding
to an extremist environmental group like suwa.
Anyone surprised that McAdams isn't in agreement? He's too young to
understand the issues. Mia should have run a smarter campaign and Utah County
Voters should have voted in greater numbers. But that's water under the
bridge, as they say. Just because he didn't vote for Pelosi to be Speaker
(realizing she was going to win anyway without his vote) doesn't mean he
isn't in lock-step with the Dems on just about every issue.
This message bill has nothing to do with rural America.
Gee. What a surprise. McAdams is in favor of keeping power with the federal
government. Alaska and Wyoming have this protection. Why shouldn't Utah?
Lee speaks with common sense. Who better knows how to treat the land than the
people who live on it?