Utah GOP congressmen favor, Democrat opposes bill to ban president's unilateral use of Antiquities Act

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  • Furry1993 MSC, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:18 p.m.

    People -- you need to understand what is happening here. These lands are NOT and have NEVER BEEN "Utah lands" and Utah has never had any kind of ownership interest or claim in them. These lands have always been the property of the United States and, in the Utah Enabling Act by which it became a state. Utah FOREVER disclaimed (relinquished) anty right, title or interest in the land (emphasis added).Bishop, Curtis, Stwart, Lee and Romney are trying to purloin from the United States and its people property that is not and has never been Utah's. They must not be allowed to do so.

  • banliberals Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:09 p.m.

    Big Government, high taxes McAdams favors POTUS oversight on declaring Utah Lands, BLM lands instead of trusting Utah to manage!

    So get this......

    McAdams would rather have a bureaucrat from some other state like Maxine Waters manage Utah than allowing the people of Utah to manage it themselves. He trusts Maxine more than he does himself!

  • LoveLondon Murray, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 11:53 a.m.

    McAdams said he was going to represent everybody when he was running for Congress. The majority of Utahns don't support the Antiquities Act, but it seems Ben McAdams does.

  • babyowl53 albuquerque, NM
    Jan. 14, 2019 11:03 a.m.

    Sounds to me like Utahans would rather have oil and gas lands that keep them locked out. As well as no say in what private developers do with land, money, gas, or oil. I don't want to ever hear an complaints for Utahans and not getting a day in what their state does with their lands, like selling it off the the highest bidder. Or not having open lands to enjoy. Serves the right.

  • mohokat , 00
    Jan. 14, 2019 8:10 a.m.

    Way to go Congressman Ben (I'm in way over my head) McAdams

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Jan. 13, 2019 7:02 a.m.

    The irony of McAdams position is that his predecessor, Democrat Bill Orton, was betrayed by a former president who used the antiquities act to create the Grand Staircase monument.

  • Kodiak2014 Cedar City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 9:44 p.m.

    Maybe Wasatch Al should go and see this area which used to be called Bears Ears. It is not all wonderous views and antiquities. Aproximatly 2/3 is sage brush plain and simple and was impossible,because of the size, to be controlled. Private land owners that were encircled by the monument also lost some of their property rights. The strange thing is that this area was taken care of by the locals for 150 years and still deemed pristine enough for this to be declared a monument for political payback reasons. I can guarantee 2 things. #1 that no one is going to try to drill oil on top of Abajo or any of the mountainous areas that are no longer under management control #2 that now the monument is smaller and actually allows for better protection of the antiquities. People will still be able to see rare beauty whether inside the monument or out. Anybody that thinks the Bears Ears monument was not too large does not have a clue as to how large 1,000,000 acres is. Some prospective Can be gained by realizing it is larger than Hoveenweep, Mesa Verde, Natural Bridges, Canyonlands, Arches, Capital Reef, Bryce, and Zions all put together and the Grand Staircase was even more ridiculous.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Jan. 12, 2019 8:42 p.m.

    The use of the antiquities act has constituted an outside colonialistic disregard of local rights in Utah. McAdams has shown he never should have been elected to congress and should be removed at the first opportunity. He is beholden the outside interests in New York City and San Francisco, not the local interests in his district.

  • Wasatch Al South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 12:48 p.m.

    I’d suggest Senator Romney look beyond Senator Lee to see how Utahns really feel about these issues. We are not interested in selling wilderness to extracting companies. The sell out to the Trump reduction of Utah monuments by our Utah legislators was a sad day for many Utahns.

    I wonder if Lee and his cohorts would have blocked Bryce, Zion, and Arches National Parks, too?

  • goodnight-goodluck Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 12:28 p.m.

    Because heaven knows these pristine areas need to tur a profit to be of any value, and besides they'll look so much better developed whether it be oil jacks and gas pads or condominiums and gated communities for the donor classes.

  • one old man MSC, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 12:12 p.m.

    "Romney, Lee, Bishop, Curtis and Stewart are either hopelessly ignorant of, or are deliberately ignoring,"

    Exactly right . . . about a lot of things . . .

  • water rocket , 00
    Jan. 12, 2019 11:56 a.m.

    Ben McAdams said "My preferred approach toward preserving our landscapes for future generations and also balancing local interests is to bring people together and forge a local consensus through listening and finding areas of agreement." Hey Ben, that is exactly what Lee and Romney are trying to do. But maybe you are already part of the Washington crowd that DOESN'T listen?

  • Bob Tanner Price, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 11:33 a.m.

    I really appreciate Senators Lee's comments as reported in this article. I wish he could get more credit for his work in the senate. He knows what he is doing and his word stands firm. We are fortunate to have him representing our state in Washington.

  • zipadeedoodah Lehi, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 11:22 a.m.

    Someone here said "Keep the land safe ; don't let it be despoiled."

    Precisely, that is why the people, not a chief executive should be making these decisions. Have you ever wondered why most state parks are taken much better care of than federal parks and monuments?

    Let the people who live there have some say. One person should not be empowered to do this on his own.

  • P Bundy Albuquerque, NM
    Jan. 12, 2019 10:34 a.m.

    We mustn't take land and turn it into National Monuments or Parks when it could be sold to highest bidder and fracked, and members of Congress could receive nice kickbacks, excuse me, campaign contributions. Wake up Utah, these bills are not designed to allow you free run of the land, which by-the-way you get to do if they're protected as monuments or parks

  • Light and Liberty St George, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 10:35 a.m.

    ...and what part of 'We the people' do some not understand? Of course, for those that want grandpa federal to take care of all their bills, responsibilities, and life, it stands to reason that they want that to continue, including not allowing 'the people' from the great state of Utah to manage, take care of, and, albeit a stretch, to own their own land! The Civil War brought an end to 'States rights', something that was a bedrock principle of our founding, but then the progressives, the anti-liberty, the 'do-gooders' took root, and so goes our nation. It is like two kids arguing, 'I want mom to make this, so you have to like it too.' Independence by two adults is unheard of by the progressives. It is all about doing what I say and what I want! If the environmentalists had their way, they would declare the whole state a National Monument without even a flutter of the eye, justified right down to displacing every landowner in the state to an appendage of a federal office in Washington D.C., all for the benefit of the one person that likes to climb a peak on the Utah-Nevada border and see a unaccounted and unlabeled variant of a mosquito.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 10:14 a.m.

    I say keep the act in place. Congress can’t even keep the government open. There is zero chance they would get around to protecting anything.

  • liberal larry Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 10:08 a.m.

    We better quit "locking up" all of this nice developable land!

    Look at what a huge mistake it was to create all of these National Parks!

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 8:33 a.m.

    This was all Federal land to begin with. The farmer, ranchers and recreational people didn’t have land taken away.

    During President Bush II, no one in Congress pushed to redesignate the land from the Republican side in a bipartisan way.

    Senator Romney needs to sit back as he is not the President when he ran in 2012 and was going to undo everything that Presidents Clinton and Obama has done.

    President Trump has done a lot of that through his Executive Orders, which is a lot of the Rhetoric with the Antiquities Act.

    The Democrats in the House will have a say on this bill, as it is not just directed at Utah but all of the United States of America’s land controlled by the Department of Interior.

  • Butler slc, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 7:56 a.m.

    First I think that they should worry about opening the Government. Paying our workers. Then worry about this.

    Frankly Lee is more worried about his own beliefs than do what is right. One said that two other states have it why not us?

    How we just jump off a cliff because they did? Same idea. Get the government open then lets worry about this.

  • Furry1993 MSC, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 7:37 a.m.

    Romney, Lee, Bishop, Curtis and Stewart are either hopelessly ignorant of, or are deliberately ignoring, the conditions under which Utah was allowed to become a state. All of the land from which Utah was carved, with the exception of lands granted by the US government to certain recipients, belonged to the United States. In order to become a state, Utah had to agree to the terms in Section 3 Paragraph Second of the Utah Enabling Act, as follows: That the people inhabiting said proposed State do agree and declare that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within the boundaries thereof; and to all lands lying within said limits owned or held by any Indian or Indian tribes; and that until the title thereto shall have been extinguished by the United States, the same shall be and remain subject to the disposition of the United States.

    Utah, in perpetuity, is forever giving up all claim to any and all land not received by grant from the United States (its owner). Utah, by his Senators/Representatives, is now trying to violate this agreement. It must not be allowed to do so.

    Keep the land safe ; don't let it be despoiled.

  • Sonny N. Bright Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 7:16 a.m.

    Representative Adams campaigned on the promise that he wouldn’t act and vote in lockstep along Democratic Party lines but would instead represent the best interests of the citizens of the State of Utah. With this stance he demonstrates that he is, in fact, prone to vote with his party.

    Many moderate citizens voted for you because of your professed bipartisanship, Ben. We are watching and taking note.

  • BlueHusky Saratoga Springs, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 7:06 a.m.

    Hmmm. "Who better knows how to treat the land than the people who live on it?"

    Right. Trash, wildfires, graffiti, pillaged Indian relics, jeeps and dirt bikes. This is is what happens when the "people" live on the land. The Idaho Wilderness Area is still pristine. And Utah wants to destroy and pillage its priceless scenic heritage?

    Mike Lee is an Ayn Rand acolyte of nature destruction in the name of "progress". Read Atlas Shrugged for a sample of the "Objectivist" view of nature: mighty factories, powerful dams, super highways. Nature conquered for man's "progress". I'm pretty OK with federal protection of special land. The "citizens" just run jeeps and dirt bikes over the ancient artifacts of the First Nations. Of course, there is the uranium ... we need more uranium! Escalante has uranium! The mines near Moab still have uranium, last I heard. Why despoil more Utah Indian land?

    Once it is gone, it is gone. Let's preserve Utah's special beauty. Nobody needs to mine and pillage Bears Ears and Escalante Staircase.

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    Jan. 12, 2019 6:20 a.m.

    Didn't Take McAdams long to show his true colors ---- He simply doesn't get it when it comes to big Gov't.

  • Utefan60 , 00
    Jan. 12, 2019 6:12 a.m.

    Hatch marches into Utah with the "Best President ever" and then against overwhelming objections, Zinke, Hatch, Lee, other GOP members, and Trump do their damage to the legacy of our lands. (The Outdoor retailers left for a reason....all on the backs of the GOP)

    What a travesty. period. Follow the money, even with Romney.

    As reported in this paper, some of the lands removed have been put up for lease for the extraction industries They will damage the beauty and nature of our pubic lands.

    No wonder that Hatch, Lee, and Trump receive so much funding from extraction industries.

    And don't forget Romney and Lee's GOP gave over 40 $Billion back in taxes to the Koch Brothers. The masters that Hatch, Romney and Lee serve/served are all too well known.

  • WJ_Coach West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 5:51 a.m.

    @TX BYU Fan - Heber City, UT

    Have you driven through Wyoning lately? We drove up to Devil’s Tower last summer and it was disturbing to see endless fracking station after fracking station with the occasional oil rig.

    Bears Ears & the Grand Staircase are beautiful areas unlike any in the world. We need to protect and preserve these areas in our state as much as possible.

    Unfortunately, I trust the federal government to protect these lands more then our state legislature. Our economy generates more money through tourism than any use of our federal lands (and by our I mean as Americans not Utahns).

    Is destroying a beautiful national monument that 100,000’s of people enjoy and use for recreation worth the state leasing the land to oil, gas, or mining companies to destroy? The local people in these rural areas need help with their economies so the quick fix is to lease their land to a resource mining company to come in and devistate the environment and surrounding ecosystems. Let’s help them turn their economies around in other ways. Let’s embrace the people who want to come and see the amazing beauty.

    Keep the conversation going in the direction of persevering OUR lands Ben!

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 12:58 a.m.

    Please explain why just because a farmer in Utah wants his cows to have access to public lands, the public then can’t access those lands. Too often the local governments are awarding jurisdiction to relatives and friends.

    An old saying “the higher you sit the farther you see”

    So far Utah government has done little to convince me they can see very far

  • Spoc Ogden, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 11:57 p.m.

    The Antiquities act was intended as an emergency power to allow the POTUS to protect archaeological sites from looters while Congress decided whether it was worthy of designation as a National Park or Historic Site.

    A National Monument is supposed to be temporary.

    What the act really needs is a time limit. At the time of designation as a Monument, a bill should be filed in Congress for permanent status. That bill would be limited to action within that Congressional year.

    If accepted, it would be beyond the reach of succeeding presidents and would require another act of Congress to change. If Congress under Obama, when he had both houses, had done that, it would have been much more difficult for changes to be made unilaterally by the next POTUS to Bears Ears.

    If Congress rejected the bill or failed to act on it within the time limit, it would revert back to the original land status.

    They probably also need a 10 year waiting period before the same ground could be resubmitted as a Monument to prevent the kind of gamesmanship we see with continuing resolutions instead of a real budget. That would put it in the hands of the next president.

  • william67 St Augustine, FL
    Jan. 11, 2019 10:22 p.m.

    If these lands are such a national treasure as representative McAdams says, then why not designate them as national parks? But that would require an actual act of Congress. Easier to let a president abuse The Antiquities Act and simply grab millions of acres and call it a “monument “. It’s early still, but I don’t see anything yet that rep McAdams is nothing more then another big government liberal.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 10:01 p.m.

    McAdams says ideally parties would come together on issues of land management, specifically dealing with the creation of wilderness areas, monuments or parks.

    Well, Utah leaders tried that with Clinton and Obama but those Democrat presidents wouldn’t listen. They insisted on grabbing huge tracks of land to placate their extremist environmental base.

    Scott Groene of suwa says this bill is extremist? I’m sorry, but this bills actually is mainstream thought—you know, let citizens decide the utilization of their land resources instead of some far-off politico responding to an extremist environmental group like suwa.

  • toosmartforyou Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 9:14 p.m.

    Anyone surprised that McAdams isn't in agreement? He's too young to understand the issues. Mia should have run a smarter campaign and Utah County Voters should have voted in greater numbers. But that's water under the bridge, as they say. Just because he didn't vote for Pelosi to be Speaker (realizing she was going to win anyway without his vote) doesn't mean he isn't in lock-step with the Dems on just about every issue.

  • IcemanCometh SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 8:04 p.m.

    This message bill has nothing to do with rural America.

  • TX BYU Fan Heber City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 6:50 p.m.

    Gee. What a surprise. McAdams is in favor of keeping power with the federal government. Alaska and Wyoming have this protection. Why shouldn't Utah?

  • J2 Riverton, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 6:32 p.m.

    Lee speaks with common sense. Who better knows how to treat the land than the people who live on it?