The FBI has been tracking crimes against Latter-day Saints for 3 years. Here's why

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  • Light and Truth Windermere, FL
    Jan. 24, 2019 11:56 a.m.

    @LDSMEMBER55 - Englewood, NJ

    I think you said it best:

    "Equal Justice not social justice"

    Look at how conservatives are banned on Twitter, while the hatemongers targeting the Covington Catholic were not.

    We cannot allow flimsy promises of equality, it has to be in the law.

  • Sportsfan123 Herriman, UT
    Jan. 24, 2019 11:25 a.m.

    Hate crime legislation is not a good thing. This article points out the "democratization of hate" based on "political divisions". Take trumps infamous comment's regarding the charlottesville riots, trump clearly stated "we condemn in the strongest possible term's this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, many sides." One should ask themselves where trump actually said he supported the white supremacist group? Because quite literally he didnt, but the leftist media all democrats and some repubs criticised trump because he didn't single out just the white supremacist group, this is democratization of hate by a political culture.

    Trump was not wrong in making those comments because the hate group antifa was there in riot gear with clubs and bats with the intent to fight, trump was right in calling out all participants who participated in the violence. Antifah is known for attacking conservatives or anyone who doesnt support leftist ideology.

    Crime comes from many sources, hate crime legislation is a way to squash free speech and punishes those not in agreement with the current political climate, hitler did this in germany using propaganda thru the media.

  • johnhenry APO, AP
    Jan. 15, 2019 7:57 p.m.

    The definition cited in the article for hate crime does not include minority. It included a specific statement that the basis of the crime being the victim's race, ethnic origin, sexual orientation, national origin. That means, clearly, that even members of a majority, say a white heterosexual male protestant, can also be a victim of a hate crime.

  • MoreMan San Diego, CA
    Jan. 15, 2019 5:31 p.m.

    How exactly is a burglary considered a hate crime?

  • LDSMEMBER55 Englewood, NJ
    Jan. 15, 2019 2:09 p.m.

    Equal Justice. NOT social Justice. Hate speech prosecution is social justice. A crime is not more important because it was committed against a particular identity group.

    Hate speech is whatever Democrats say it is.
    Very dangerous and unconstitutional.

  • JohnMill Australia, 00
    Jan. 14, 2019 7:14 p.m.

    The concept of 'hate crimes' establishes special groups who receive additional protections under the law.
    Hate crimes only apply to certain 'disadvantaged' groups - and the law punishes crimes against them more seriously.
    This appears to be a pretty clear breach of the 14th amendment.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:44 p.m.

    "Why only three years?....because that is about the time Comey was fired for incompetence!"

    Comey was fired in 2017. And this tracking started with 2015.

    "The FBI documented 15 "anti-Mormon" hate crimes, or crimes specifically targeting Latter-day Saints, in 2017. That's roughly twice the seven "anti-Mormon" hate crimes recorded in 2016 or the eight in 2015, when the bureau first started tracking bias-motivated offenses"

  • banliberals Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:22 p.m.

    Why only three years?....because that is about the time Comey was fired for incompetence!

    Before that...anything corrupt was OK with the FBI!

  • Contemplating Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 10:50 a.m.

    I agree with Cowboy Poet and others who say “hate crimes” need to be treated as plain crimes. True hate crimes are often hard to prove, and thus don’t get counted as hate crimes anyway. We can’t know what someone else is thinking unless they say it themselves. We can get into a lot of trouble attributing motives to crimes when we usually just don’t know. Calling them hate crimes just scares everyone and makes those in the group supposedly targeted view other people suspiciously. We are already too busy dividing people in our country into victim groups. We need to go back to defending individual rights, and prosecuting actions, not intentions.

  • rdk36532 , 00
    Jan. 14, 2019 10:02 a.m.

    Crimes against Catholicsand all Christian varieties are also increasing.
    It is politically incorrect to have religious values and opinions.
    That is an indication of a somewhat ominous future.

  • CamHoltoe Miami, FL
    Jan. 14, 2019 9:56 a.m.

    1 - How is any mormon a "minority" in utah?

    2 - How can one say that a burglary or theft is motivated by anything other than material gain?

    I find that to be a stretch

  • utahute69 Laguna Niguel, CA
    Jan. 12, 2019 9:15 p.m.

    Hate is hate regardless of who commits the crime and regardless of their status as a majority or a minority. I find it amazing that hate crimes can only be committed against minorities. Tell that to the recipients of crimes throughout the United States. Perhaps if the FBI shared their crime statistics with crimes of one race against another, there would be less people worried about minorities and start realizing that hate crimes go both ways regardless of your race. Oh, and I also find it amazing that the world celebrates diversity as some sort of panacea, while the FBI notes that increasing diversity as a cause for increased crime. Enforce the law and punish people for the act not the motivation. As for Sam Gill, perhaps he could be more concerned about his homeland of India where classes are created by heritage and one seldom if ever escapes the abuse laid on the lower classes of that country. He hardly has room to talk about the treatment of minorities based on his religious background.

  • jparry Provo, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 3:45 p.m.

    Why the opposition to the category "hate crimes" by so many commenters here? The law has always been grounded in the question of motive: did I kill for self-protection, for money, for revenge, or just because I don't think you, my victim, should exist? There's a difference between these motives, and those differences matter.

    Hate crimes are especially permicious. They are, in fact, specific instances of what we now call--since the immediate aftermath of World War 2--genocide. It mattered that Hitler killed Jews only because they were Jews. The scale was horrific, but even one instance of killing only one Jew because she was a Jew is depraved. It matters now that the government of Myanmar is driving out and killing the Rohingya (Muslims) because they are Rohingya and Muslims. And it must matter to us that someone is perpetrating violence on someone simply because she believes something different.

  • iammad ROOSEVELT, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 3:07 p.m.

    The Feds are about 180 years too late.

  • CentralcoastUte San luis obispo , CA
    Jan. 12, 2019 2:41 p.m.

    "David, look at who is targeted more often. According to the article Jews and Muslims. These are people who have been historically attacked by far-right groups, and not the political left."

    Actually Jews have historically been attacked by the left. The KKK and white nationalism are all Democrat constructs. It all falls in line with national socialism, which the espoused in the 1930s and continues to push for even today. Socialism is a left wing idea. Not a far right wing idea. The very far right would be Anarchy, no government, not hateful socialism.

  • Bob Tanner Price, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 11:59 a.m.

    We are victims of what we read and see in the media. Based on that and the behavior of people living under different set of laws than we have under our constitution, I fear what might happen if we don't make some fundamental changes as to who and how are all groups of peoples living in America are behaving under American law. Enforcing our laws, that we already have, to a greater extent should take care of this problem.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    Jan. 12, 2019 11:53 a.m.

    You are wrong flyboy. This absolutely IS a left/right issue. Was the man who said he intended to go out and "kill a Mexican" a Hillary voter, do you think? Was Dylan Roof a guy who gave money to the Obama campaign? Were those who marched on Charlottesville more likely to be Trump guys or Kamala Harris voters? Was the coward who ran over Heather Hyer someone you'd see as wearing a Grateful Dead cap or a MAGA hat? Be honest. You make strange and uncomfortable bedfellows when you cast your lot with a President who openly advocated violence against "suspects" or people protesting his rallies--but you have to be willing to admit who it is you are cuddled up with.
    I have never been a fan of the LDS Church, but I have known and loved many, many good LDS people. I would NEVER advocate any discrimination against their church and I've never hurt anyone because of their religion and would defend any person who was being attacked because of their beliefs---unless they were seeking publicity by using hate speech themselves (Westboro Baptist Church--Fred Phelps type).

  • the_dewk Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 10:17 a.m.

    For all those commentators with the sentiment:
    “A crime should only be prosecuted for the act, and not the thought process that motivated it.”, do you all have issue with the categorizations and different punishments attached to murder, aggravated murder, voluntary manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, and justifiable homicide? Each of those revolves around the same act, after all - someone was killed.

  • sashabill Morgan Hill, CA
    Jan. 12, 2019 10:15 a.m.

    While anti-LDS hate crimes may be comparatively uncommon, they do happen. I am personally aware of two LDS church buildings which were firebombed in the area where I previously lived in central California. Fortunately, the incidents didn't do very much damage.

    That being said, the first requirement for any anti-hate crime law or policy is a standard, mutually acceptable definition of "hate." Otherwise, it becomes a term that means pretty much whatever anybody wants it to mean.

  • Flyboy1 South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 9:55 a.m.

    This isn't a Left/right issue. It amazes me how quickly that seems to be brought up whenever something happens. And I would just like to remind those who blame these acts on the left, that there are lots of faithful and practicing "Left Wing" Latter-day Saints as well.

  • Strider303 American Fork, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 9:45 a.m.

    I'm in accord with the Cowboy Poet. Just punish the crime. Be impartial and empirical in weighing the evidence.

    "Hate crimes" and "hate speech" are bogus. They allow government and politically correct minions to specify what or who is important and what or who is not worthy of their attention.

    The crimes should be prosecuted not plea bargained, and the sentencing process is where some discretion is warranted as well as with the board of pardons who will actually assign time in confinement, or not. Some reformation of the prison system is also suggested but I digress.

    I have to confess a bias against vandalism aka graffiti. I find it offensive to violate someone's property with another person's subjective opinion or desire for fame and notoriety.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 12, 2019 9:42 a.m.

    People generally have anxiety , fear and dislike for things, people, religion and societies that they don't and can't understand and that they can't believe. Religion and some churches in particularly have a cult like presence of secrecy exclusivity, and claims of being the superior chosen of god's elite. Churches need to tone down their rhetoric and open their hearts and minds to honesty and disclosure of their real nature and limitations that they are no different or more special or precious than all other good people.

  • sgallen Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 9:20 a.m.

    Utah needs a hate crimes law to protect Mormons and other faith groups

  • Monsieur le prof Sandy, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 9:06 a.m.

    I've often wondered about categorizing crimes as "hate" crimes. Why make the differentiation? The victim is still hurt or dead, the church is still vandalized, the money is still stolen, etc. Why do people do these things anyway? It seems we are closing the barn door after the horse has left. We need to strike at the root of the problem, the erosion of family and core values such as honesty, love and respect for others.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 8:55 a.m.

    Creating and tending a narrative are essential propaganda tools of progressives. Doing so creates victim groups and helps establish the us vs. them concept.

    By pointing out either advantage or persecution, the left builds an alliance and gives them a basis for policies that protect one group and punish another. We see it played out daily in the newspaper when we talk about minimum wages, subsidized housing, immigration, gender rights... THe list goes on and on.

    If national pride and identity can be morphed into WHITE nationalism, then it is easy to call out "racist" whenever someone wants immigration enforcement.

    From SPLC to Sim Gill, hate crime initiatives are political tools of the left/ THey have more to do with winning elections than punishing criminals.

    C S Lewis explains that "I'm as good as you," is a dangerous societal pathology. The quest for parity is a fool's game. (Hint: He wasn't talking about white supremacy.)

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 8:52 a.m.

    David - Centerville, UT

    Thanks for reminding us of the elephant in the living room.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Jan. 12, 2019 8:48 a.m.

    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    -- Martin NiemÖller

  • OldMain Saratoga Springs, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 8:30 a.m.

    This made me chuckle, "Because of the partial government shutdown, the FBI was unable to respond to a request for comment." The bureau is this open for investigative work, but their ability to make a comment is hindered because of the partial government shutdown. Lol!

  • Cowboy Poet Vernal, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 8:28 a.m.

    Beware of what you are ask for, lest you receive it!

    As a convert in The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints, I have been taught, and continue to faithfully regard, our Constitution of the United States of America as a religiously sacred document written by inspired men whom Heavenly Father raised up for that specific purpose.

    Any and all so-called "hate crime" and/or "hate speech" legislation is a flagrant and onerous violation of inalienable rights and of our divinely inspired Constitution of the United States of America.

    A crime should only be prosecuted for the act, and not the thought process that motivated it.

    There are already so many laws on the books that everyone is now unknowingly guilty of something at some point in time.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 8:14 a.m.

    Having lived in a town for 18-years that was a Christian Cooperative when it was started 120 years ago, they didn’t consider members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints as Christians. We met in various places until we were able to build a Chapel, such as the VFW and other places. Then, we almost got the building completed and in those days, the Church procurement process was not like today. We had the new fixtures in the rooms and the basement wasn’t completely done.

    Someone broke into the building and poured gas around in the small cultural hall and started the accelerated fire. Since the building was a brick exterior that part of the building was recoverable. The inside was gutted along with the new fixtures.

    We had to rebuild it on the inside and I remember helping on that part as the building fund was a lot different in those days and sweat equity was a lot of the process.

    The local law enforcement didn’t do much of an investigation. The community years later was not friendly towards the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

    However, when we were rebuilding, members from two Christian churches let us use their buildings.

  • Instereo Eureka, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 8:12 a.m.

    "David" I did not see anywhere in the article a discussion of Trump or Left/Right politics relating to violence. Considering that there were 938 attacks against Jews and 247 against Muslims, I'd say that historically attacks against them have been mostly by the right. As for the 17 attacks against the LDS, who knows where those attacks came from. The one thing I got from the article is that there are a lot of hate crimes that are committed by people who hate. If there is a conclusion to be drawn from that, it's that we should hate less and let others live more.

  • dski HERRIMAN, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 7:49 a.m.

    Crimes like these are driven by anger. It is unconscionable to give extra punishment for so-called hate crimes and slap the wrists of those who commit domestic violences. These two crimes are committed because of anger. How someone feels cannot be regulated. How many probation sentences have been given to those who have inflicted injuries on their own family members. Although so-called hate crimes stoke the public’s emotions, we cannot allow our emotions to dictate our justice system. When someone is injured by someone else, the penalty should be given regardless of how they feel or what socioeconomic the offenders was raised in. Too many times offenders are given light sentences because of their upbringing. A DUI driver in Texas where four people died was given a ligh sentence because his parents are rich and they spoiled him. Therefore, he suffered from “affluenza”. Prosecutors cannot be allowed to determine how someone felt when a crime was committed. A crime is crime regardless of the offenders emotions at the time.

  • Middle of the road Mormon South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 7:48 a.m.

    @David - Centerville, UT

    "The Left loves to point to Trump’s rhetoric and claims it gives rise to violence, shootings, etc. but there is plenty of hate speech here coming from the Left directed towards religious groups, and in this state directed towards the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."

    David, look at who is targeted more often. According to the article Jews and Muslims. These are people who have been historically attacked by far-right groups, and not the political left.

    It is fascinating to see that the FBI has this much data on this, but cannot tell us how many times police shoot and kill people, and then break down the statistics by race, religion, sex, etc...

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    Jan. 12, 2019 7:06 a.m.

    I would just point out that these religious "hate crimes" are often carried out by people from within these organizations.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 6:49 a.m.

    "there is plenty of hate speech here coming from the Left directed towards religious groups,"

    You've got a hate problem with "the left". Get help!

  • Crusader Layton, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 6:05 a.m.

    With all of the radical rights hatred and the POTUS acceptance of white nationalists, I expect hate crimes against non-Christians to continue to rise.

  • Aggielove Caldwell, ID
    Jan. 12, 2019 5:44 a.m.

    More evidence that we WILL stand hand in hand with other faiths to defend ourselves from the evil.

    We need to start getting on board with that fact folks.

  • 212degrees , 00
    Jan. 11, 2019 10:14 p.m.

    I suspect nearly all violent and property damage type of crimes are actually 'hate crimes'.that have not necessarily been categorized as such in the past, so I think this is more a re categorization of crimes that have continually happened throughout the history of the US, unless they are actually stating the number of overall violent or property damage type of crimes are increasing. Sounds like we need more in depth analysis.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 10:12 p.m.

    The Left loves to point to Trump’s rhetoric and claims it gives rise to violence, shootings, etc. but there is plenty of hate speech here coming from the Left directed towards religious groups, and in this state directed towards the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Is there a correlation with their hate speach and the rise of hate crimes against the Church and other religions? If Trump’s speech correlates, then certainly the Left’s hate speech correlates.