What is truth? Why Pontius Pilate's question still resonates today

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  • Edmunds Tucker , 00
    Jan. 26, 2019 3:30 p.m.

    Jennifer wrote ''‘’ Yet there is a widespread perception that truthfulness and honesty is losing ground as a common value, seen in the widespread dismissal of President Trump's false statements (such as recently telling soldiers that they were getting a 10 percent raise, when the raise is 2.6 percent),'' linking to a USAtoday 2018/12/28 fact check, which wrote ''U.S. military'' ''2.6 % in 2019'' and concludes ''the 2.6 %'' ''obviously falls far short of the 10%.'' Linking to a Dod.defense.gov/News etc ''The budget:
    •Provides a 2.6% military pay raise – the largest increase in 9 years
    •Includes NO compensation cost share reforms in FY 2019. '' With a link to comptroller.defense.gov/portals/. Which in turn summarizes pay and comp as follows
    ''Total Direct Appropriation Personnel 2018 $132 billion
    Total Direct Appropriation Personnel 2019 $146 billion''
    Increase $14 billion, which is over the 10%. The President was correct, it was truth, not a false statement. USAToday was wrong. DesNews goofed in quoting USAToday.AP was too quick to shame. If you want the full links to the documents, let me know. How about DesNews printing a correction? or AP?

  • wrz , 00
    Jan. 14, 2019 11:19 a.m.

    @Sore loser:
    "There is a huge difference between lying and inaccuracy. Trump is called a liar daily by the left wing media who supported famously President Clinton, the same president who under oath invoked the various possible connotations of the word 'is' as his defense."

    Yes, and the news media would never attach the word 'liar' to a former white house occupant when he told us... 'If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.'

  • Flipphone , 00
    Jan. 14, 2019 10:40 a.m.

    Today the media reports, there truth based on political ideology. And example, a leftist media outlet poll asking the same question as a conservative poll will have a complete different outcome. Why? because the pollster target like minded individuals to ask their polling questions to.

    So when CNN/MSNBC/CBS/New York times,etc. takes a poll asking their views want they think of President Trump their poll results will be completely different, than FOX, even though the question is exactly.

    This is why the nation is so divided. We chose want media outlet we watch based on our own political Ideology. If your are a leftist you are not going to be watching FOX! your watching CNN, MSNBC, or PBS

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 10:09 a.m.

    @Real Ute
    "This country has never seen the likes of Donald Trump. "
    And yet he is still more truthful than Obama who used manipulative deceit (Benghazi-video) and was fawned over by a compliant media for years

    @There You Go Again
    "When right wing media...FOX News, Sinclair Broadcasting and other assorted purveyors of truth accuse anyone of dishonesty they are usually playing word games, assigning mal intent to their targets."
    Ah yes; because overt lies by CNN WaPo NYT, NBC, CBS fit your agenda

    @Sharkey
    "There is a huge, huge body of right-wing media. I subscribe to the Washington Post and give to PBS because they still do some investigative reporting. That's the difference I see between the right and "left" wing media - the right does nothing but opine and criticize any real investigative report."

    Then why is it that statically MSNBC has the least "news" most "opinion" of all?

    @Brave Sir Robin
    "So what you're saying is, because the media lies, it's OK that Trump lies?"

    Cant speak for dski - but i will say that "that as the greatest thing ever" is clearly bombast, but "an apple is a banana" is a manipulative lie - i distrust the latter more than the former

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    Jan. 13, 2019 5:37 p.m.

    I know it may be confusing for some.... but bias and telling the truth aren't the same thing. One can have a different point of view and still be telling the truth.

  • Time2Play , 00
    Jan. 13, 2019 4:11 p.m.

    We blame and point fingers at everyone else except ourselves when our greatest satisfaction should come from first deciding to live honestly and with integrity.
    There’s little we as citizens can do currently to get Trump out of office but there’s much we can do to personally vow to live by better values. Accept past consequences, work for a better future.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 13, 2019 3:49 p.m.

    To me the question, "what is truth"? isn't a hard question to answer.

    Tuuth is .. what is. Or what was or what will be. Truth is reality.

    I get the impression that people are making this question harder than it needs to be.

  • Mark A. Petersen Central Point, OR
    Jan. 13, 2019 2:14 p.m.

    I’m fascinated with the various reactions to the article.

    Each tribe has quickly fallen into their own ideology thereby missing a main point of the article.

    "Our problem with truth isn’t so much that we don’t understand it; it’s that we don’t like it,"

    Today on any given issue, can either who favor or oppose it not be telling the whole truth? Is deceitfulness for a righteous cause acceptable?

    There is and always will be political disagreements in the operation and financing of government. Democracy is messy and full of a variety of ideology, opinions, options and choices that affect us all.

    Demonizing either side will not make the winner - truthful.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Jan. 13, 2019 2:04 p.m.

    @dski

    "With the increased anti-Trump fervor in the media, they rushed to publish pictures of families being separated and detained in warehouses that looked like cages. The media blasted how immoral Trump is and what a heartless man we have as a president. It turned out, the pictures were taken during the Obama Administration. Separation of families at the border is a national policy that has been practiced for decades. Obama did not start it. Despite the fact, the media made it to look as if separation of families is Trump's idea. Truth, anyone?"

    So what you're saying is, because the media lies, it's OK that Trump lies?

    This is the definition of moral relativism.

  • Flipphone , 00
    Jan. 13, 2019 12:48 p.m.

    Truth is the Truth. Truth never changes. It is either the truth or it isn't. The Bible is an example of Truth.

    The question is how do you maintain the truth when whom ever needs, for their own reasons desire for what ever reasons,that the truth needs to be changed? And the only way this can occur is that a majority except the untruth as the truth.

    But truth itself is still, the truth. And never changing.

  • brotherJonathan SLC, UT
    Jan. 13, 2019 12:44 p.m.

    Part 2-
    Truth - is reality - knowledge statement - - giving weight to all the facts on hand.

    My research (called of God to deliver)- declares
    Mankind_is blind to all of the facts in front of our faces:
    by Instinct mechanism_Given authority by our Creator to operate Survival Logic_
    needed for autonomous life to exist & reproduce.

    Here is the big one_Instinct mechanism (science concept) is in fact Religious concept Satan.
    Because we are under the power/authority of Satan_operating our logic:
    Truth is warped for the individual & group_To protect Status Quo/current reality operations_
    w/out moral judgement.
    Add/light of Christ
    The only way God could Test us/give his children the power of choice

    to be good (ethical) or evil (selfish, blinded to reality to protect self-interest advantage -like Satan/without moral judgement)

    The proof has been filed with all 3 branches of US Gov. many times:
    Corp. Bribery w/intent is a crime.
    Drug Monopoly Law- violates citizen equality
    & Dr. Survey -science proof of Beginning of Life.

    Totally ignored by you all.
    So if we could see reality - unhindered_All would know God exists & is operating our Science Experiment _by his devices_
    Trust God_speakup

  • freemale221g Orem, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 12:58 a.m.

    Our Savior Jesus Christ hated hypocrited because they ate the worst kind of liars. Truth has a away of makinf hypocrites out of liars. Which begs the question: Who is the bigger hypocrite, the hypocrite or a, hypocrite calling someone else a hypocrite. Right now the left are the hypocrites calling everyone else that doesn't like them hypocrites. Truth is light and life and Jesus Christ is light and truth. Lies can only exist in darkness.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 9:31 p.m.

    President Nelson as an Apostle in October 2000 said: “Inner peace comes only as we maintain the integrity of truth in all aspects of our lives.”

  • Cav Pilot St. George, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 9:15 p.m.

    I see many posts talking about the corruption in the Trump administration.

    just a few days ago, I read that the new House Speaker announced that the White House would no longer have a "rubber stamp"

    Ironic that the statement was made by the very same person, presiding over the House, who said "we have to pass it to see what is in it" referencing the biggest piece of rubber stamped legislation this country has ever seen.

    Is there corruption embedded in the Trump administration? I would truly be surprised if there was not. What surprises me even more, is thinking that the other candidate would have had less!

  • brotherJonathan SLC, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 9:08 p.m.

    Why Pontius Pilate's question-(What is truth? ) is still - unanswered by humanity & science:
    Because mankind-Can't figure out how instinct operates.

    Science knows -Instinct Mechanism - is a major part of how survival logic is administered
    to its host..
    But with all our science understanding & human minds expertise (PhD. psychologists & psychiatrists).
    None have come up with a logical working solution of how our logic is supplied.

    This is a major paradox. Because our sub-conscious minds - runs on adaptive pattern recognition with natural use of facts/logic to come up with working theories on
    how Instinct can use intelligence to operate all life forms_with apparent power over DNA Blueprint and making changes in the blueprint from generation to generation.

    All the while - the instinct mechanism itself- apparently does not evolve itself.
    If instinct could evolve itself- every species would be in danger of self-destruction because of overriding logic being inconsistent.
    We would not last but a few generations & extinct.

    My (called of God) research: human behavior & constitution violations-
    Has a proof of reality:
    Ask IBM Watson & experts
    "Is instinct mechanism A.I. technology" ?

  • Paul8777 Brigham City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 4:39 p.m.

    A definition I like is found is a book I hold sacred - "And truth is knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come". To illustrate, Donald Trump's inauguration crowd was not larger than Barack Obama's on the day he said it was, nor on the day before, nor today. Therefore, his claim was not true. See how easy that is?

  • Chancey Sandy, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 4:35 p.m.

    @skeptic
    These days, as those, one's facts must be carefully crafted to fit one's narrative. The narrative must support a politician's or a journalist's grasp of power, money and influence. How else could have all the different "sides" 2000 years ago come together to crucify the very Son of God? One must ask now, what or whom the various sides would be willing to crucify to satisfy their various narratives? The root of the current problem is power, money and influence. It's certainly not the love of God or any of his children.

  • someguyaaron , 00
    Jan. 11, 2019 3:12 p.m.

    Yes! Cougsndawgs. I Study and watch different different views on political views. There is nothing that would or could explain such a bias except hate ane being real bad losers and not wanting a person to continue to be successful.
    There is no other explanation!

  • $$$$$ Price, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 2:44 p.m.

    Telling the truth seems to be the hardest thing for everyone to do and even harder for politicians,truth can ruin lives bring down governments but so can lies,I think we lie because the full truth is so hard to conceive and hold on to and lies can carry far beyond any truth,Because the truth must stop at some point, but lies go on and on and covers the truth so deep and so wide that to uncover the truth is so mind boggling and time consuming that people get bored and accept lies to be the truth. So when we say to" tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth" we don't know where the truth starts or ends unless we can touch,taste, smell, see,feel and hear the truth, but all of our senses can be masked as something else,so we must try to define truth down to the smallest point possible, then that is the honest truth. But that's just my opinion,I could be wrong.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 2:31 p.m.

    Donald Trump launched his campaign with the Great Birther Lie. What is truth? A better question is What is a lie?

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 2:18 p.m.

    We can study facts, science, data and other intellectual information, but we remember that: “Having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.

    And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.”

    That basic fact has been true for centuries.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 2:17 p.m.

    Ltrian:
    "Why is over 90% of media coverage of President Trump negative?"

    Have you ever considered that might have more to do with Trump than the political leanings of the media? I'm an independent conservative but I have never been a Trump fan...the man makes it very easy to be a critic.

  • dski HERRIMAN, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 2:13 p.m.

    It is very unfortunate that when the media talk about the truth, my trust antenna pops up and get ready to work overtime. In the last few years, news and opinions are mixed as one. Sometimes, journalists create news by reporting unverified stories. Is this why the media consistently having a very low rating in trustworthy? Is this why the moniker "fake news" are hung around their necks as their labels? A few years back, Dan Rather, the former CBS News anchorman, with gusto and conviction conducted a damning report about George W. Bush's National Guard record during prime time news. It turned out, the story was fake news.

    With the increased anti-Trump fervor in the media, they rushed to publish pictures of families being separated and detained in warehouses that looked like cages. The media blasted how immoral Trump is and what a heartless man we have as a president. It turned out, the pictures were taken during the Obama Administration. Separation of families at the border is a national policy that has been practiced for decades. Obama did not start it. Despite the fact, the media made it to look as if separation of families is Trump's idea. Truth, anyone?

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 2:09 p.m.

    The number one reason for this "post-truth" phenomenon, in my humble opinion, is confirmation bias. We want what we feel and the hypotheses we've made about issues (and people) to be true, insomuch that we not only get angry or deny the truth, but many people don't even see it, casting it aside as "fake news", and gibberish with little to no objective examination.

    Truth is very scary to people that are fixed in ideology and bias. Facts don't care about your beliefs, ideologies, biases, or prejudices...but we sure get angry at the facts when they don't align with them.

    As a Christian I often tell people that the first rule in feeling spiritual promptings and understanding God's will is to be open to whatever you learn instead of going into prayer or mediation with a fixed idea about what you want or what you know. Be open to self-reflection and analyses, don't shy away from ideas that may challenge your biases, but be willing to objectively examine them. That's what truth-seekers do...whereas narcissistic egos want only to confirm what they already "know".

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 11, 2019 1:48 p.m.

    Today the same as the days of Jesus the biggest offenders of the truth are the dishonest religious leaders and the corrupt politicians who because their position and title in society gives them position to lie, steal, exploit and control. Bad example and influence is contagious in that it corrupts man's social conscious.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 1:43 p.m.

    According to our leader that had a personal attorney that was given this mandate for 12-years that states “Truth is Truth. Only the facts change!”

    It worked until a person gets indicted and is basically required to plead guilty to a crime that Individual One asked him to do.

    Avoiding even the appearance of evil is a better process.

  • someguyaaron , 00
    Jan. 11, 2019 1:13 p.m.

    You can’t blame Trump for causing or start the outrageous lying. You can only blame him for being elected. He does not always tell the truth. That much is true. During the Obama administration, as part of their plan to change the world, they instructed their administration, that it was ok to lie but try to not get caught because just having your message heard was the goal. The public were so willing to accept what he said that they simple realized that telling the truth was the fastest way to get their message to their base. Conservatives are not stupid, we know of Trumps flaws, we also know that he paid for his own election and, indeed is truly trying to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. We also know that by winning his election and having success, fulfilling his promises, he is a target. Everyone who does not like him cannot and will not give him anything he wants. Just because he is Trump. I read page after page of just outright lies, without any bassist of fact. People believe. No I don’t think they believe, they can still discern. It may take awhile. We know the truth. People do not want our president to be successful.

  • Rogers Lambert Radford, VA
    Jan. 11, 2019 1:04 p.m.

    Some years ago I was tucking in a young grandson, and he asked for bedtime story. He asked for a story about when you were a little boy. So, as usual, I told him one. When I finished he said, "When you were little you had a lot more interesting life than I do." I told him "Yes, and it gets more and more interesting as the years go by."

  • TheRealDJT Sandy, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 12:40 p.m.

    Ironically, it is Donald Trump who has created such hatred from the Leftist media that their zealotry caused them to fully expose their untruthfulness. If they had remained simply "biased", they might have continued to influence the public's thinking. But since they have strayed into outrightly fake propaganda they have destroyed their own credibility.
    On nearly any issue you may with to investigate completely, looking directly at source video footage and documents, President Trump has simply told the truth. The media then creates a straw-man version of what he said, and/or takes it out of context, to create an untrue propaganda article.

  • J. Smith Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 12:39 p.m.

    The sad truth in my humble opinion is that Rome (America) is falling. How long was the Roman Empire in power? From 27 BC to 1453 AD, it lasted for a total of 1480 years. The Roman Empire was established in 27 BC by Octavian Augustus when the Senate and People of Rome made Octavian Princeps ("first citizen") with proconsular imperium. America has only existed 1/3 of that time and we are beginning to fall is it because of the hyper-speed of technology, the decline of a moral compass or the end result of democracy?

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 12:34 p.m.

    It is very easy to create a "false" narrative by selectively presenting "true" facts and ignoring the counterarguments. It is also easy to take things out of context. THey are often "true", but directly opposite of their in-context meaning. Americans have noticed all these tricks, and we are simply sick of journalists crying that they are presenting "the truth" when it is obviously agenda-driven, biased, propaganda. It is as if they read "1984" and thought "Hey, we could really make this work!"

  • Ltrain St. George, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 12:18 p.m.

    “The Washington Post and PBS still does some investigative journalism,” What a knee slapped! The Left Wing media is far more numerous than Right leaning media. Why is over 90% of media coverage of President Trump negative? It’s because there is a hate him mentality out there that is a mental disorder.. Obama’s lies are numerous. So are Clinton’s. Politicians bend truth to suit there needs and they do it nonstop. Trump isn’t a politician. That’s why the establishment hates him and every paper in this county, DN included, gives him negative and inaccurate coverage.

  • Dejah Provo, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 11:57 a.m.

    byufootballrocks says
    Your argument would carry more weight if you pointed out the obvious: that the media has the biggest truth-telling problem of all.

    So just days ago Trump left a negotiating meeting with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, and Senator Schumer said Trump struck the table with his hand and stormed out of the room, later revealed by the other participants to be false. The Washington Post said nothing.

    So point the finger to where the biggest untruths are being told....it isn't Donald Trump.

    ----
    So you call the media liars for reporting Schumer's words, then reporting others (McCarthy, etc.) words but you THINK the latter are the truth tellers so the media is lying? That makes NO sense! There is no telling here who is lying or not unless there is audio/video of the actual event. You just think Schumer is lying and the Republicans are not. What a lame example to try and prove a corrupt lying media.

  • J. Smith Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 11:54 a.m.

    Truth is not in Trump's lexicon.....

  • jeclar2006 Oceanside, CA
    Jan. 11, 2019 11:24 a.m.

    Real Ute - Dallas, TX
    ---
    This country has never seen the likes of Donald Trump. Our founding fathers never anticipated a leader to be this flawed, corrupt, mentally debilitated or so vehemently cruel. I so hope we don't face a true crisis before Trump is gone. It is not only scary, but this country is losing our character of trust in the world.
    ---

    The Founding Fathers did anticipate a flawed, corrupt, mentally debilitated, and cruel leader. His name was King George III.

    What they wrote at a counter to such a leader being able to achieve the command that King George III achieved, is embedded in the Constitution with a number of checks and balances of power between the 3 branches of government.

    What may be the correct statement is the Founding Fathers did not anticipate that those elected to the the Congress would fail to do their duty in checking the Executive branch, to the level we have seen in the last 2 years of a Republican dominated government.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 11:10 a.m.

    Truth, it appears, is a description of reality as we each believe it to be.

  • 1aggie Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 11:01 a.m.

    The fact is we all lie to a greater or lesser extent. On one end of the spectrum is telling someone they look good/aren’t fat etc. when in fact, they don’t look good and do look fat. The other end of the spectrum we would find lying about adultery, theft etc.

    Some people are habitual liars. They will lie about inconsequential things and consequential things.

    It is up to society to set the standard. Do we just accept what public officials say at face value? Do we just accept what media sources say? Or, do we look at all the evidence and a variety of sources? Ethical sources, as opposed to corrupt sources, will admit and correct their mistakes and errors.

  • yassiryoubetcha , 00
    Jan. 11, 2019 11:04 a.m.

    Excellent article, thank you!

  • ldsironrodder Mt Vernon, OH
    Jan. 11, 2019 10:59 a.m.

    Truth can only come from factual sources. Facts can only come from truthful sources. There has been only One Being Who ever walked upon this earth Who uttered Pure Truth whenever He spoke. He is the source of original fact. He is incapable of uttering anything else. Pontius Pilate, as influenced by the only being who is incapable of uttering or influencing truth or fact participated in silencing the repository of truth and fact.

  • SLCMom Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 10:48 a.m.

    The 2 most interesting things about this article I'm pondering:

    1. POST-TRUTH
    " Post-truth is not mere lying; it’s a form of political manipulation, a form of trying to get somebody not to care about what’s true because you’re putting ideology in front of reality."

    We are getting bombarded 24/7 with lies and manipulation from all sides ...to the point that we feel overwhelmed, confused, angry, depressed, discouraged, and finally simply 'done'. The moment we STOP CARING is when the liars & manipulators claim their victory. The only way truth can win -[everything moral, good, honorable, just and right in our society] - is if we KEEP CARING. Keep caring to point out dishonesty & ideological manipulation. Keep caring to attend city, county and state meetings, Keep caring to research issues on your own! Keep caring to vote! Keep caring to call our representatives and express our concerns! Keep caring about what kind of world we want our children and grandchildren to have.

    2. PHOTOS - In this article, there is not just one but TWO photos of Kellyanne Conway attached. Who made that choice, and why? I agree she's a great example of a "Post-Truth"-er but, why not add some others?

  • Real Ute Dallas, TX
    Jan. 11, 2019 10:38 a.m.

    This country has never seen the likes of Donald Trump. Our founding fathers never anticipated a leader to be this flawed, corrupt, mentally debilitated or so vehemently cruel. I so hope we don't face a true crisis before Trump is gone. It is not only scary, but this country is losing our character of trust in the world.

  • taking a stand for truth Lehi, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 10:32 a.m.

    Sadly the deterioration of honest men and women of integrity declined with Richard Nixon.
    Then Bill Clinton was elected president and resorted to frequent lies and distortions. I believe that Reagan and the Bushes tried to be honest and moral though they may have made mistakes. Then Barack Obama picked up where Bill Clinton left off and spun lies... because half truths are not the truth. Hillary was great at this charade as well. And, as we know Trump trumps his predecessors.

    Also a goodly number in Congress are quick to spin a tale.

    But, yes, the biggest ones to lie and distort the truth are the media. They make no effort to tell the truth but spin lie after lie.

    Woe to us as a people.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 10:33 a.m.

    The main problem is people are more willing to accept unTruths because what is being said matches what they want to be true. It supports their narrative. I can agree that sometimes it is hard to not want something to be true.

    As an LDS people, we are largely taught to not challenge authority. And that works most of the time when that authority is doing their best to give honest representations of what they believe to be true. It is in our DNA to want to trust authority.

    But in politics that trust has often been misplaced. Politicians are often guilty of saying what they want to be true... or what their constituency wants to be true. Obama famously said that with the Affordable Care Act that you would be able to keep your doctors. And for 90% of insurance holders that was true. But for an unfortunate few that proclamation failed to be true.

    There is a huge difference between someone stating something they believe or hope to be true versus blatant lies that are told with forethought to deceive. Where that line resides can be hard to determine, but in other cases that line is as clear to anyone who cares to check. And some people prefer the lie to truth.

  • IsTM Huntingtown, MD
    Jan. 11, 2019 10:06 a.m.

    This article is an example of the problem. It certainly suggests that only Trump allies lie. Hillary/CNN/NBC/MSNBC never lie it would appear. If you really think about what Guliani meant its simple - when you testify to what you saw or heard, and you are "truthful" in your mind about what you remember - does that mean that is exactly what happened? What did you have for breakfast 35 days ago? Our memories are so faulty - his basic point was that when a person tells you what they remember, it may or may not be actually what happened. Guliani was literally talking about Trump potentially being in a perjury trap because people's memories are faulty. He was called out for that but...he's right. Think about it.

  • Seldom Seen Smith Orcutt, CA
    Jan. 11, 2019 9:42 a.m.

    "Truth" doesn't exist in nature, it is made up, by the species Homo sapiens. Kurt GÖdel incompleteness theorem demonstrates that the very foundations
    of mathematics can never be proved.

  • Betcha Waltham, MA
    Jan. 11, 2019 9:37 a.m.

    Number one, people don't want to hear or know truth, because that means they are wrong, People don't want to change, they want truth to change.. the moral integrity of our country has been deteriorating for many years, not since President Reagan has there been any morality connected with decisions.. Now President Trump is trying to change things, and he is getting crucified at every turn. I don't trust the media. The people of this country don't want an "Honest man" , to lead them, We had a chance to have a man that had never smoked, or drank, or ever been with another woman other than his wife , he had integrity, and character, but no one wanted a man like that... to lead our country. WE better prepare for what is coming, it has happened before , to countries that loose their value, their truth, and their character . we are on the slippery slope down to destruction.

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 9:34 a.m.

    Even science is an endeavor to accumulate facts and formulate best hypotheses to explain them; and with more facts, theories have changed over the years. In science labs, experiments have been performed and data plotted. There are no perfectly formed lines; only a smattering of plotted points suggesting that in a perfect world, there would be beautiful curves and lines. Communication is not simple : remember the old 'gossip' game ? The more people repeating the message, the more it changed. Why can one ask for a second opinion in medicine ? Why should you get several estimates for costs ? What we hear in the news is often not the original full version of what was said; we do always seem to get a reporter's version with "analysis' by somebody, if not the reporter him/herself. And so much public policy is based on 'best' information and somebody's judgement concerning that information. And even experts can disagree. Truth is often an indistinguishable stranger in the crowd, with no friends, let alone honor guard.

  • DonO Draper, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 9:22 a.m.

    It is disheartening that lying has become a fact of life, if not a way of life, for so many. Not to get too theological, but the world has been warned since antiquity of Satan, the "father of lies," whose mission is to subvert truth in any of its forms. There is, in fact, no difference between a so-called "white lie" and a blatant falsehood. A lie is a lie. IMO, situational ethics, whether in the halls of Congress, the White House or the walls of one's home is helping to destroy the moral fabric of society.

  • MOMS Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 9:12 a.m.

    Finding the truth is a slippery business. We now know that human memory is far less trustworthy than one would hope. In court, the laws of evidence work to produce the most likely approximation of the truth of an event. Those restrictions do not bind politicians or the media.

    Before the Internet large media purported to be the repository of truth. No one believes that any more. Trump has made the media openly show bias. Twitter killed big media.

    Richard Fernandez, musing on the question of restoring public credibility wrote, "To the question : how can we rebuild trust the probable answer is never. The need for trust is driven by the economics of rational ignorance. As information became more available the level of rational ignorance required decreased. We had too much trust and are now offloading. "

  • Sharkey Layton, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 8:54 a.m.

    There is a huge, huge body of right-wing media. I subscribe to the Washington Post and give to PBS because they still do some investigative reporting. That's the difference I see between the right and "left" wing media - the right does nothing but opine and criticize any real investigative report.
    Jimmy Carter didn't lie when he said oil is a limited resource and we need to find alternatives.
    The Clintons didn't lie when they said health care was the biggest drain on the economy and would collapse when the Boomers aged if nothing was changed.
    Obama passed the Republican (Romneycare) plan - too little, too late, obviously, and here is no other plan. That has been demonstrated unequivocally. I've paid private insurance AND Medicare/Medicaid tax my whole life and I'm not happy with the result.
    Democrats talk about mediating globalization and they are "globalists". Republicans elect an international businessman/strongarm guy who invests in China and works with Russia. Then there's Bush-Cheney and Eric Prince's army for hire.

  • NeilT Harrisville, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 8:54 a.m.

    Partisan politics is like having blinders on. some people don't like the truth if it doesn't fit their agenda

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 8:23 a.m.

    What is truth?

    When right wing media...FOX News, Sinclair Broadcasting and other assorted purveyors of truth accuse anyone of dishonesty they are usually playing word games, assigning mal intent to their targets.

    What is truth?

    According to the republican lawyer rudy g., representing his client republican trump...

    Truth isn't truth.

    The republican political party which at one time represented fiscal restraint as well as family values is now represented by the encomium...truth isn't truth.

    When your point of reference advocates from a position declaring truth isn't truth, the conversation is over.

  • Weston Jurney West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 7:43 a.m.

    We could start with this: everybody is entitled to their own opinion. Nobody is entitled to their own facts.

  • illuminated Kansas City, MO
    Jan. 11, 2019 7:36 a.m.

    The news media trying to teach us all about truth. Now that's funny.

  • tsobserver Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 6:56 a.m.

    As long as we, like Pilate, look to the philosophies and assurances of mortal men and women to define and understand what is true, we will come up short. Our ideological biases make it impossible to discover the truth without a reliance on divine revelation or inspiration which can only come through humility and obedience to God's laws.

  • byufootballrocks Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 6:16 a.m.

    Your argument would carry more weight if you pointed out the obvious: that the media has the biggest truth-telling problem of all.

    So just days ago Trump left a negotiating meeting with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, and Senator Schumer said Trump struck the table with his hand and stormed out of the room, later revealed by the other participants to be false. The Washington Post said nothing.

    So point the finger to where the biggest untruths are being told....it isn't Donald Trump.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 5:31 a.m.

    Rather disappointing to read thia entire article and get no more than a couple short paragraphs at the very end about media, and that limited to history rather than any notion of current problems in the media.

    In politics and life it is easy to point fingers and demand others change their bad conduct. The more difficult and productive thing to do is to look inward and admit what we need to change about ourselves.

    When it comes to any reporting on honesty, integrity, or civility, the media would do well to look inward amd do some real soul searching. While traditional media certainly faces some technological disruptions, I believe the core of its business woes have been self inflicted, unforced errors, that have eroded public trust in the 4th estate.

    Some incidents have been overt ala the claims of exploding side saddle gas tanks. Others are more subjective such as bias in how stories are reported,or even worse, bias in which stories get ignored.

    Perhaps some affirmative action to recruit more conservatives, religious, or rural people into media would help. Continued denials about bias are not rebuilding trust.

  • Sore loser Oakland, CA
    Jan. 11, 2019 4:53 a.m.

    There is a huge difference between lying and inaccuracy. Trump is called a liar daily by the left wing media who supported famously President Clinton, the same president who under oath invoked the various possible connotations of the word ”is” as his defense.

    When the left wing media accuse the right of dishonesty they usually are playing word games, assigning mal intent to their targets, which does not bode well for them within the context of psychological projection.