IRS workers furloughed by government shutdown rally in Utah

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  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 2:15 p.m.

    Publicizing that IRS employees are not working is probably the best way to gather even greater support for Trump.
    Fund and build the TrumpWall!

  • banliberals Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 8:50 a.m.

    @Frozen fractuals....For bills that were more comprehensive and included some pieces Dems wanted and some pieces Republicans wanted. They weren't voting on "build a wall and do nothing else".

    So I guess Mexico paid for the walls that are built that are working then since your Liberal Socialist Democratic party has never funded a wall..........as you try to assert!

    Nice try!

  • banliberals Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 8:45 a.m.

    IRS? Now that is a gov't worker that I hope gets a looooonnnnnnggggg shut down?

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 10:10 a.m.

    @taking a stand for truth
    "Every one of you leaders voted for the fencing in the past"

    For bills that were more comprehensive and included some pieces Dems wanted and some pieces Republicans wanted. They weren't voting on "build a wall and do nothing else".

  • mrjj69 bountiful, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 9:06 p.m.

    While my sympathies lie with the workers. It is hard for me to imagine they are destitute, when they haven't missed their first paycheck yet.

  • taking a stand for truth Lehi, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 6:15 p.m.

    Come on Dem party leadership. Stop the nonsense. Everyone knows there are problems at the border and, just like the approx 400 miles of border fencing, we need more and better fencing. Get the job done. Every one of you leaders voted for the fencing in the past and put up a lot more than the $5.7 billion Trump is asking for. Get on with it. Protect our frontiers and get these workers back. There is nothing immoral about doing that. You are wasting a lot more money than the cost of the wall by not taking this action.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Jan. 11, 2019 2:47 p.m.

    While it's true that back pay isn't garunteed, it's a bit premature to complain about what hasn't happened yet.

    There is strong precident for back pay, it's a virtual garuntee, and if it's not given I would be highly critical of trump for that.

    You can't blame one side, both are holding firm. From my perspective, only one side is offering something, the other side is engaging in a personal political battle.

    Things might look 50/50 now, give it some time, wait until the debates when democrats argued that walls don't work. It's a game that will be won 22 months from now, furloughed workers getting vacation + checks will all be forgotten, but a rediculous stand to object to something that the democrats voted for a few years ago will be the fulcrum for the re-election of Donal trump.

  • carrin , 00
    Jan. 11, 2019 2:25 p.m.

    The men and women and families of Fed workers are paying for this shut down. Ridiculous. When will those clowns in Government actually begin serving for the Greater Good. Stop the childish squabbling and temper tantrums. America deserves much better.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 1:58 p.m.

    Utah has a multitude of Federal Contracts that relies on Federal funds to complete their part of the contracts.

    There are so many implications for employees and services.

  • jeclar2006 Oceanside, CA
    Jan. 11, 2019 11:45 a.m.

    DN Subscriber - Cottonwood Heights, UT
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    Nonsense.

    Remember, all the "non-essential" employees (of the 1/4 of govt agencies not funded yet) are not showing up for work because of the shutdown.

    But, they will eventually get back pay, including for the days they did not work. So, it is a paid vacation for them, albeit their paycheck for not working may take a while to arrive.
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    At the moment it is not a 'paid' vacation. There requires legislation to allocate 'back pay', and that is not an absolute guaranteed item.

    In order to pay for bills today, those not receiving pay checks today, may have to take out loans, dip into savings, or perhaps even receive eviction notices, today, and in the coming weeks.

    Loans have interest, dwindling savings interest losses, and of course, and even if eviction doesn't happen, the costs of dealing with such will not be reimbursed.

    From other news, even the White House appears to be in arrears on paying the water bill because of the shutdown. Perhaps the water company should shut down the service till the account is brought up to date.

    Trump claimed ownership of the shutdown, so make him pay.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 10:23 a.m.

    Nonsense.

    Remember, all the "non-essential" employees (of the 1/4 of govt agencies not funded yet) are not showing up for work because of the shutdown.

    But, they will eventually get back pay, including for the days they did not work. So, it is a paid vacation for them, albeit their paycheck for not working may take a while to arrive.

    They can wait until the Democrats are willing to fund border security and then they will get paid. It's the Democrats who are using them as bargaining chips.

  • PhiloBeddoe , 00
    Jan. 11, 2019 10:03 a.m.

    Sympathy for these folks for sure. These folks are the ones who cannot be fired, have perks that those in the private sector dream about, have retirement plans envied by anyone else. Who take of with pay on every Holiday ever conceived. After this is over they receive the pay they missed. An unexpected paid vacation. The private sector suffered the past eight years of an failed Administration.

  • LivinLarge Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 9:33 a.m.

    I am sick and tired of Nancy and Chuck's attitude toward their fellow Americans and national security...

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 8:40 a.m.

    @London

    "Polls are wrong and stats are always skewed to whatever point seeks to be made. If polls were correct trump wouldn't be president, but he is, voted in by the people the polls seemed to forget. "

    Excuse me but the polls were right, Clinton received approximately 3 million more votes than Trump.

    "He'll win this sad battle, Chuck and Nancy will feel an avalanche of stress starting tomorrow - and even if they don't cave trump will declare an emergency and this gets done."

    Not so simple, my friend. A President cannot simply expect any emergency declaration will go unchallenged. His behavior and statements have all indicated that this is more a political strategy than an emergency issue. Waiting after two years of his presidency to make a big deal now when illegal crossing are actually decreasing.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 8:30 a.m.

    My late father spent his adult life working for the IRS and the Social Security Administration. How he could have supported five kids and paid a mortgage without any income is beyond me. We all would have suffered.

    My heart goes out to those government workers whose lives are being played with by Donald Trump.

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 7:54 a.m.

    This is what we get with a two party system. The extremists run the place and they thrive on being obstinate.

    Also it might be fun to joke that 'we dont need the IRS' or 'just keep the government closed' but it is a very foolish attitude that will cost us money in the long run.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Jan. 11, 2019 7:45 a.m.

    Not one federal employee cared when I got laid off or the company shut down.

    Nobody donated food or money to our house.

    Yes, this is completely ridiculous and sad and it is disgusting to see politicians play with people's lives.

    Maybe, the next time federal employees see American workers getting laid off or their job shut down they can sympathize with the pain.

  • BYU-Dave Highland, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 6:52 a.m.

    At this point it is political suicide for either party to cave. Both sides are blamed to some level for the shutdown and who ever caves is viewed as not having a backbone and not representing their constituents .

    Both need a win. Dems need a DACA concession and Trump needs some level of boarder security. Both need to come off saying they won

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Jan. 11, 2019 5:47 a.m.

    First of all, how hard hearted must someone be to tell a hard working federal employee, doing work for the American public, tough luck. Especially those working without getting paid. Have you no sympathy?

    Secondly, the false statistics tossed out from some unknowable source claiming that Democrats are responsible for past shutdowns ought to be tossed in a junk heap. Are we still getting Russian troll information through unvetted sources leaking into the news? Or do some people just make things up? Either way, it damages the public when false information is distributed, more so when done for political purposes.

    Lastly, it is impossible for me to believe that Trump supporters would clap their hands over an unConstitutional move by the President to use funds designated for other purposes to fund his egomaniacal wall. Don't you people believe in the Constitution? All spending originates in the House of Representatives. This principle established by our founders to insure that "the Peoples House" would be the voice of America in spending issues. To satisfy the whim of a would-be oligarch is to demean our Constitution, Democracy and the Founders.

  • Sion Knoxville, TN
    Jan. 11, 2019 3:31 a.m.

    Pelosi and Schumer could end this is 6 seconds.

    Federal workers- get a job in the commercial sector and discover how the rest of us manage.

  • Aggielove Caldwell, ID
    Jan. 11, 2019 2:20 a.m.

    We really don’t need the IRS

  • my_two_cents_worth university place, WA
    Jan. 10, 2019 11:48 p.m.

    @london_josh

    "He promised them the wall."

    On Mexico's dime. Time for him to keep his entire promise.

    "He'll win this sad battle"

    He already lost by not working a compromise before January 3rd. Now the real pain hits. SEATAC is reporting passengers missing flights due to security screening delays caused by TSA agents going out "sick" and Miami airport has announced plans to close one of their terminals early for three days because of TSA screener shortages. Air traffic controllers will probably start staying home soon, the FBI is feeling adverse impacts, Federal prison workers may not stay at their jobs much longer without a paycheck, and some border patrol officers are suing the Trump administration over their missing pay. The worst/best part is each day the number of Americans laying blame for the shut down on Trump grows.

  • wgirl Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2019 10:31 p.m.

    A Voice: "This could be resolved in 60 minutes or less. The house, the senate and the President all agree to fund employees' wages and pay it. Pass and sign the bill and it's done - they get paid. ...Why don't we pass funding for all the stuff we agree on"

    Good question. The answer? Trump.

    The Congress did pass a bipartisan funding bill in December. The President had promised he would sign it. But then he watched TV and changed his mind. He reneged on them.

    The House passed the exact. same. bill. just last week but Mitch McConnell refuses to let it come to the floor of the Senate for a vote. (It passed 100 - 0 before Trump shut down the government). Mitch is afraid it would pass...again. He is protecting Trump.

    The House has put forth 4 bipartisan bills - to fund each of the agencies completely unrelated to immigration. (The stuff we agree on). They have offered to work on immigration if Trump will end the shutdown. He has refused.

    A 60-minute meeting? Trump only lasted 15 minutes in the last meeting they held, before storming out. (He admitted he did so in his own tweet, "I said 'bye-bye!").

    This is all Trump.

    Congress needs to pass a bill then over-ride Trump's veto.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Jan. 10, 2019 6:03 p.m.

    Federal employees, furloughed during shutdown, are eligible for unemployment.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Jan. 10, 2019 4:12 p.m.

    @frozen

    Well, at least a republican president cracks the top 5 longest shutdowns now, to join Bill and Barack and Jimmy in that crowd.

    Polls are wrong and stats are always skewed to whatever point seeks to be made. If polls were correct trump wouldn't be president, but he is, voted in by the people the polls seemed to forget.

    He promised them the wall.

    He'll win this sad battle, Chuck and Nancy will feel an avalanche of stress starting tomorrow - and even if they don't cave trump will declare an emergency and this gets done.

    In the end the debate is about as effective as Jim Acosta today - declaring that the wall isn't useful because the wall didn't see illegal immigrants - while GMA watch the border patrol catch dozens without a wall.

    When the debate hits open floor, the dems stand against logic.

    This is the re-election issue for trump, and he's winning it.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2019 3:44 p.m.

    @london_josh
    "Obama had shut-downs, it's not that uncommon"

    There was one under Obama, and it was caused by Republicans insisting on defunding of the ACA which was an already established law. You mentioned the DACA one though a year ago, that one is a Democratic shutdown which is why I was happy that Democrats abandoned that nonsense after only a couple days even though I support DACA.

    "but I expect the pressure to hit Republicans but boil the democrats. "

    Partisans have their biases but those in the middle attribute shutdowns to the group demanding something be added, like DACA in the previous one, and the wall in this one. So I expect it to be the other way around which is so far what polling is showing.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Jan. 10, 2019 3:29 p.m.

    @bass679

    I have compassion for those employees, however what you've posted is an exaggeration.

    You see, the paychecks haven't been stopped, tomorrow would be the first day that they are stopped. How can a daycare have already suffered as a downstream result of a projection?

    Perhaps the IRS employee isn't using the daycare as she's home with her kids this week. But she hasn't missed a paycheck yet.

    I don't like the shutdown, but the thing about it is, I also don't like being a nation of ignored laws. As one might imply from my name, I'm an immigrant, our laws are amazingly generous to immigrants, and I have no tolerance for breaking them.

    Obama had shut-downs, it's not that uncommon, the last one was for DACA. The trend seems to be to shut down the government for the good of non-citizens - I can't agree with that.

    I hope it doesn't last, but I expect the pressure to hit Republicans but boil the democrats.

    In the end either it's a compromise, or Donald declares an emergency, either way that wall is built and he gets huge credit for it being built - it will be debate fodder and he'll win that. It's sad that these are the rules of the game.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2019 2:15 p.m.

    @lost in DC
    "BO shut down the govt a couple times to get the funding he wanted. the opposing party eventually gave it."

    The ACA was already established law. The Republicans shut down the government trying to implement something new, defunding the ACA. The side demanding something new eventually gave in.

    The Democrats a year ago shut down the government trying to get DACA reinstated... they, the side demanding something new, gave in after a couple days.

    "trump has shut down the govt to get the funding he wants. the opposing party should give it."

    The equivalent scenario here is that the group that shut down the government demanding their new alteration gives in. That is Trump, the side demanding something new.

    Remember at his meeting with Pelosi and Schumer when Trump said he'd be happy to take the mantle of shutting it down? There was one little thing he noted. It was something like "you tried it last year and it didn't work". He was referencing the Democratic shutdown demanding DACA. It didn't work, they gave up. Trump is the one demanding something new, picking this fight. This ends when enough Republicans give up.

  • Spoons lake tahoe, NV
    Jan. 10, 2019 2:11 p.m.

    Thought about federal employment a few years ago and decided against it because I didn’t want to be without a paycheck in the event of a prolonged government shutdown. I understand you “want to work,” but you chose an occupation where work stoppages can occur. If you wish to avoid these interruptions in the future find a new employer.

  • james d. morrison Sandy, UT
    Jan. 10, 2019 2:05 p.m.

    "if they want a consistent paycheck, stay away from anything that does business with the Federal Government."
    When the next big recession hits in about a year, I bet you won't be saying the same thing.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 10, 2019 1:49 p.m.

    clinton shut down the govt 3 or 4 times to get the funding he wanted. the opposing party eventually gave it

    BO shut down the govt a couple times to get the funding he wanted. the opposing party eventually gave it.

    trump has shut down the govt to get the funding he wants. the opposing party should give it.

    federal employees who remain should look at the pattern of an increasingly fractured and partisan govt and prepare for contingencies in advance. I know, easier said than done, but wise men have for generations counseled those who would listen to set aside resources for days of need.

  • bass679 Novi, MI
    Jan. 10, 2019 1:26 p.m.

    @London_Josh
    It all flows downstream though. For example, my mother runs an in-home daycare. One of her clients has 2 children and works for the IRS. So not only is that lady not working but because of the furlough my mother's business is also suffering. Business she patronizes will be hurt as time goes on as well. There is NO upside to this furlough.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Jan. 10, 2019 1:12 p.m.

    Both parties are fighting, and neither care about federal employee's lives. Several years ago, I left federal employment because of the juvenile pettiness within the federal government.

    The Democrats, and Republicans are using these people as pawns, but the simple fact that the Federal Government actually does little that influences its citizen's lives, and has a hyperinflated purpose. National Defense, and Diplomacy are the major rational for the Fed's existence. (and Trump continues to damage those institutions)

    When they can, I would recommend that these federal employees get a job in a professional business environment. The petty nastiness will continue for at least the next two-years; if they want a consistent paycheck, stay away from anything that does business with the Federal Government.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    Jan. 10, 2019 1:09 p.m.

    No Government = No taxes! Keep the shutdown going.... PERMANENTLY!

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 10, 2019 1:07 p.m.

    As the shutdown hits locally expect to see the pressure on the GOP, Trump and Democrats to increase. Millions of people will suffer for an argument over 5 billion dollars.

  • a_voice_of_reason Woods Cross, UT
    Jan. 10, 2019 1:03 p.m.

    Here is the most ridiculous part of all this. This could be resolved in 60 minutes or less. The house, the senate and the President all agree to fund employees' wages and pay it. Pass and sign the bill and it's done - they get paid. Even if the shutdown continues (though I imagine that is the majority of the cost). This one major issue that is negatively impacting so many is even easier to solve than the overall childish issue. Why don't we pass funding for all the stuff we agree on? So that Democrats can tell their supporters the Republicans shut down the government and held back workers wages, and so Republicans can tell their reporters that the Democrats shutdown the government and held back workers wages. The reality is they both did. They are both ignoring the fact that they both agree the government should operate, that the workers should be paid and should be working. They ignore the fact it is completely solvable. Why? So, they can blame the other side with those sympathetic to their position. Stupidity at its finest.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Jan. 10, 2019 12:46 p.m.

    The pressure will get enormous for Chuck and Nancy soon. They champion big government and entitlements, their base will be screaming at them soon.

    Meanwhile, sorry for the people, but do I feel sad that the IRS is shut down right now? Not especially sympathetic to them!