@ majmajor “Independence isn’t sustainable...” - Coach
BroncoBYU is not independent in Olympic sports. Only in football.
Independent Notre Dame played in the championship tournament (got beaten by ...
Clemson). Notre Dame proves that a very good independent can make the
tournament.BYU is very successful nationally in other Olympic
sports, especially the women's teams.I think BYU has some
issues, but football independence is not one of them. BYU has achieved a high
academic ranking. It is difficult to find enough great athletes with A+ high
school grades unless your program can "help" the athletes. I have no
idea what BYU does but add strict LDS behavior standards to a very tough
academic environment, and you may find it difficult to be competitive in
football and basketball.
Wallyball- your line of thinking could give you a coaching job on the Rose
staff. When you just look at pts and assists per game you get a Rose style
team! When you factor in how many points a player gives up on defense to the
other team ....... you see why Hardnett is so much more valuableTo this
team. Haws gives up more than he scores. Remember that half of the game?
Largest lead in NCAA tourney history ....... given up by the Rose cougars
....... embarrassment t ...... but we still scored nearly 90 pts!
BYU needs to improve its recruiting. No way it will compete with predominately
Utah and Idaho players. It needs the Ainges, the Jimmers, the Kites, talent
from California, Texas, Georgia, Arizona, NY, etc. Need a broader net--perhaps
easier said than done.
I love Hardnett's intensity when he is in the game. Hope he stays.
Is Hardnett really the second best player and does he drive to the basket and
dish off? The answer to both is no. Haws averages 17 pts and 4.8 assists per
game. Hardnett 11 and 1.7 assists. In fact, even though Hardnett logs much more
playing time he and Emery are the same for assists. Hardnett can get to the rim
but he doesn't pass off much. As much as fans disparage Emery he has a
greater upside than Hardnett. Still, it would be good if he stayed on.
Mind Baggage - go for the U. of Arkansas - Monticello. Cool nickname in Boll
Weevils for the men and Cotton Blossoms for women.
I love college basketball. The problem is that I am a big BYU BB fan. I'm
an alumnus, Class of 92. Today I live in Arkansas. I've decided I can no
longer support what very much appears to be the planned mediocrity of what used
to be a great program. Is it all Rose's fault? Holmoe's? The Board of
Trustee's? I have no way of knowing from here. What I do know is the team
is an embarrassment and there appears to be zero urgency in turning it
around.So, my question-- what college basketball team should I root
for now? I'd like to have a team to follow and watch and support, but not
sure who. I'm from Virginia originally but never got into the Cavs of VA.
Gonzaga? Perhaps. I couldn't do Utes, but perhaps Utah State. I might go
with the Razorbacks but they are as dysfunctional as BYU is right now. Any help?
Holmoe is driving BYU athletics into the ground. He hasn’t been successful
as a coach or as an administrator in his career.Just because some
played football 20+ years ago doesn’t make him a coach or manager. BYU
athletic department is worse off now then the early 1960’s. At least BYU
had a decent basketball team back then.“Independence
isn’t sustainable...” - Coach Bronco
Pretty sure rose would be the 1st to really tell us no big deal here ... as long
as his "allstar" wonderful worthington is still on this team and
starting .... Wow,what a joke !
really azyute ?? did you really just comment on BYU Basketball ...your biggest
concern should be what..like 15 out of the last 18 ....
Hartnet is wise to jump ship before it sinks... The real question to be answered
is if the "skipper" rose will ride the ship to the bottom or will he
jump ship as well .....
Let’s call this situation what it really is. Hardnett is a bit smarter
than the rest of players who have transferred out ..... in that he is not
beholden to the BYU brand. He got a technical foul at Miss St! Bad on him.
But guess who else got a technical foul at Miss St?? You guessed it ......
Emery. Having watched the game ...... and being able to read lips a bit,
Emery’s language was way more over the top than Hardnetts! So, if the
punishment handed down was equal to the crime ...... Emery should be sitting
the bench before Hardnett. Since when has Rose ever given bench time as a
consequence of not doing your assigned on court job? Rose’s ability to
coach fundamental bb, defense, develop talent, recruit and spot talent, deepen
the bench, hold players accountable ..... especially those that he considers
his stars ....... is basically non-existent! Hardnett should leave and hold to
his position that Rose doesn’t know what he’s doing. Hardnett is
correct and unless this team completely unfolds and people quit attending home
games ..... Holmoe just won’t get it. Thanks for the extension Tom
...... the extension of misery continues!
I would prefer a player with passion getting a technical in a game rather than
one getting suspension or probation for poor choices off the court.
All this team wants to do is launch 3's and play no defense.
Robroy, I don't know if AZ. has ever played a WCC team by himself, however,
if you're talking about the Utes, they beat St. Marys last year. Good luck
to your team the rest of the year.
While I am personally in favor of cutting Rose loose at the end of the season
who would replace him? Someone from outside of the state with no previous ties
to BYU? In any case something radically has to be done. The LP three has been a
complete disappointment and the program has to move beyond.
BYU's priority is Missions over sports. I think one should make a decision
to play sports or go on a mission not both. This seems to throw the time off for
Az, yes your moral victories are impressive. Should look good on your
application for the NCAA tourney. Meanwhile when was the last time you beat a
WCC team? And yes you continue to lose to a faltering BYU, LOL.Go
Sounds like the coach put his arm around emery and told Harnett "You're
on your own".
@let's roll - LEHI, UTJan. 8, 2019 11:01 p.m."My
interest in the team transferred when Chatman transferred. Doubt I will be back
anytime soon."Yet here you are showing interest....
@AZUTE1That was Roger Reid's last season 96-97. Close Enough.
This is just the way it works with BYU basketball. Some players can make as
many mistakes as they want with no adverse consequences, while other players
lose playing time with one mistake. This lack of a meritocracy has been going
on for a long time.
@wallyball do you even watch them play? Jahshire is the one guy on the team who
can break down a defense and dish the ball for an easy basket. Other than Yoeli, the guys playing forward or center that Jahshire dumps the
ball off to down low are undersized and in many cases not good enough for D1 and
fumble the ball or don't fill the passing lanes when they should. When
Jahshire passes the ball to the "shooters" along the 3 pt lines, well,
BYU is 63rd in the nation in 3 pt attempts despite being 284th in 3 pt %. In
other words they are jacking up 3's at an alarming rate despite an
inability to make them. Regarding his shooting, the issue is his 3
pt shooting. He is 9/38. If you remove those, he is shooting 52% on the year.
Granted, Haws is shooting 58% if you remove 3 pt'ers, but Haws is a major
defensive liability. I think the issue is more coaching and the
fact that the players do not have the discipline to play to their strengths.
The fact that they continue to lose by the 3 pt'er is a good example of
this. Dalton Nixon is 1 of 16 from 3 pt...
Players don't get developed and Rose is losing it! Since Dave
Rice left, Rose has not hired a strong staff. Mark Pope and Quincy Lewis are
the only good hires and other hires are his 'comfort food'.
The basketball program at BYU sad to say is in a "Meck-of-a-hess" -
I like this kid, he is a good player. BYU is his third school! When the going
gets rough he seems to check out of the hotel rather than working the situation
out with management. I hope he will choose to stay, be coachable and work hard
to help the team win no matter what his role is.
This is only an indication of deeper problems in the BYU BB program. I really
like Dave Rose, but I think that it is now time for new blood in the coaching
ranks. Dave Rose has down a great job, but I think that his time has passed. A
clean sweep would be the best for the program. A great coach is just down the
road and actually lives much closer to campus than does Dave Rose and who would
love to get the program back on track (Mark Pope). Please don't hire
anyone now sitting on the BYU bench!! That would just be continuing what is bad
Before we totally blame Rose for this situation, it might be worth noting that
Hardnett is a junior and this is the third school he has been at. Hardly a model
Like last year, byu peaked when they played against us & it’s been all
downhill ever since.Losing this kid would be a remarkable event for
them & devastating to their program.byu’s fortunate they
don’t have to play against us again, particularly after we just pummeled a
team on the road that beat #1 KU/Mississippi State & took another into OT on
the road that’s lost merely 4 home games in the last 7 years or something
like that.Go get yours JH!Go Utes!
“15 years ago we'd have never lost to these teams.“Didn’t byu go 1-25 or something like that back then? I’d have to
look it up.SMC is easily a better program overall than byu &
have proven it repeatedly in the wcc.Go Utes!
Very typical of Rose, unfavorite player make a mistake and they get pulled from
the game. Favorite players ie. Childs, Haws and Emery, never get pulled for a
mistake or two. Rose does a poor job developing players abilities and
confidence. I would say Rose has been going thru a tough stretch for the last
10 yrs and this yr is no different. Will Rose please retire so this program can
get good again, its horrible watching the same results.
@Kaysville (10:29 pm):"None of us have the insight as to what is
going on in the locker room/practice facility. It is terrible news though that
Jashire is leaving the team. Poor choice by him..."I agree that
none of us have insight to what is really going on. That being said, how can we
conclude that it is a poor choice? If we don't know, we don't know.
Hardnett is a great player and saved the day with Pacific and Rose continues to
punish him and yanks him out immediately after one mistake. I can think of his
favorite player throwing the ball away multiple times and shooting way too much
when he is having a horrible game and season last year and several games this
year and never being pulled. This is unwarranted. Rose has his favorites. Rose
needs to retire or be retired. The team and the fans are headed down big time.
He was the most athletic guard. This 40 year plus fan is going to stop watching
this team as protest for Rose's unfair behavior. 4 slow and mostly
unathletic guards and a forward are taking this team nowhere. The PC protect
BYU in all things D News will likely not publish this post.
You know who else is having a tough stretch? Dave Rose. Maybe he needs to ride
the bench for a while. Seems like coach is quick to discipline a player for not
doing his job but Holmoe won't do the same.
As if a “home crowd” could fix the obvious ailments of this team.
That is nothing but code speak for Rose trying to put lipstick on a pig. One,
Hardnett is a point guard who is accustomed to having the ball in his hand.
Guess what he and other players are doing a lot on offense? Standing around
watching a certain guy dribble, jack shots and not distributing the rock like a
PG does. It is great this guy scores his points, but the question is: at what
cost to the overall chemistry of the team, the flow of the offense (if there is
one on this team) and the possible contributions of other players?Second, Rose does play favorites. His favorites, anyone from within the state
of Utah has a right of passage over non-Utah high school players. Other players
see this, saw it and transferred out and potential future out of state players
will avoid BYU because the word is out. Third, Rose doesn’t
want to hear what BYU fans think. He feels he has done more than any previous
BYU coach and the school owes him. Thus, the 4 year contract extension. Finally, add all this up and we the fans of BYU men’s hoops get a
My interest in the team transferred when Chatman transferred. Doubt I will be
back anytime soon.
He deserves to start. Cannon doesn’t. He’s a way better all around
player than Cannon. I don’t blame him for being angry. Rose doesn’t
always play the best players. He plays favorites. He can’t keep the better
players. This is NOT a normal attrition.
None of us have the insight as to what is going on in the locker room/practice
facility. It is terrible news though that Jashire is leaving the team. Poor
choice by him and I hopefully he doesn't transfer because he got benched.
But boy is this bad news for the Cougars. Jashire can get to the rim and finish.
I love that. He is a terrible jump shooter though, so I hope he doesn't
think he's going to shoot more on another team. Here's hoping the best
for Jashire and the Cougars.
This team is a huge disappointment. I have had it with Rose’s emphasis on
offense and lip service to defense. The team needed a shutdown guard against St
Mary’s and the only one we had, Jahshire, was sitting on the bench. I was
disappointed when Emery was reinstated. Even more so now that Jahshire is the
one who is losing playing time to him. I expect very little from this team for
the rest of the year.
Was calling for Rose to step down or be fired 3 seasons ago. We should be
dominating this league outside of Gonzaga. There isn't a team we should
lose to except Gonzaga. Year after year we see BYU losing to St. Mary's,
and the LMU's of the league. 15 years ago we'd have never lost to
these teams. Time for a change.
We wish him the very best no matter the choice made. Hope he elects to graduate
first. Mid April is 100 days away.
Being upset about not starting for a couple games and getting a technical foul
don't speak well to Hardnett's attitude. Hopefully he can get it under
control. Otherwise, there always seem to be some coaches that will put up with
that behavior. If he stays or leaves, I wish him well and hope things turn out
for the best for him.
The challenge is that Hardnett wants to be a shooting point guard, but is not a
good outside shooter. He doesn't distribute the ball well and has a low
assist statistic. It's rumored that he has made it known that he will be
a graduate transfer at the end of the season regardless. He sounds like an
unhappy player that may not be a team first guy.
This is pathetic, just when you think it can't get much worse, the top co
most reliable player gets shafted for who? For what? I j.g ave always been a big
fan of Holmoe but I am starting to think he is not capable of doing what.needs
to be done. I am about done, after 60 years.
I don't know what Hardnett said to that player in the Miss. St. game. That
to me seems like a very small thing compared to the ncaa infractions by another
player. Coach Rose should maybe be more concerned about the assistant coach who
got whistled for a T in the same game. What kind of punishment should he
get.I for one am sad that J. Hardnett is transferring. He has been on
rock on this team this year when others are playing like jello.Good luck
to Jahshire. I wish he would stay, but wherever he goes, I wish him well.
Does no one in byu's sport hierarchy understand that the issue is Rose? Do
they not understand that he does not give playing time based on ability, but
rather personal likes - evidently. Do they not comprehend that he does not
develop players or the team throughout the year or over the life of the
student/athlete on the team?Anyone who aspires to play at a higher
level after college would be lacking in sense to come play for Rose if there
were other options. There are always other options.
This news report is another demonstration of the poor status of BYU basketball.
Each year, players either leave the team early for professional basketball or
transfer to other schools. Each year, the team has the same problems: poor
defense, poor shot selection, turnovers, and inability to win on the road. Now,
mid-season BYU has alienated one of their prior starter players. Does Hardnett
deserve to be on the bench? This likely isn't the important issue. Rather,
shouldn't the concern be on why another player is so quickly considering
transferring away from the team? Could the basketball program be disappointing
the players in some ways? What's the trend?
Looks like Rose is going to chase off another player who will eventually be a
star on a better team.
It will be a real shame if we lose our second best player.