Oh AZUTE1,I can't believe you are still as energetic after the
U's terrible showing in the PAC championship game and their complete melt
down in the bowl game. Ok SOS matters, but you act like it is the ONLY thing
that matters. You ignore how USU DOMINATED in most all of those games we won
(with the exception of 2). And the 2 USU lost were close games that could have
gone either way. Utah was scoreless in the first half against a BYU team USU
totally crushed. Your opinion is meaningless to me when both the coaches and
the press (the people who actually make a living analyzing football) put USU
(the lesser known, weaker conference, little brother school) in the top 25 over
the U. There was nothing we could do about strength of schedule. It was
planned many years in advance. USU can only play who is in our conference and
the teams who will schedule us. USU actually schedules a P5 school every year.
Outside of the PAC how many P5 schools do the Utes schedule? They only schedule
patsies they know they can beat. That is why they are too scared to schedule
USU anymore. They know there is a chance USU could beat them, and if they play
us in Logan the chance is even greater.
“Why do we need to mention SOS when we know we have you to remind
us.........On EVERY article about USU the WHOLE season.”Because it’s the responsible thing to do—Qualifying your incessant
claims that usu is somehow better than us based strictly on overall record by
including the blatant disparity in SOS.You shouldn’t need
someone else to follow up in reminding you that usu played against literally one
of the nation’s absolute weakest SOS.You people act as if SOS
is irrelevant when it’s in fact 100% relevant....What part of this is
confusing, Sunshine?9-5 against #26 SOS trumps 11-2 against #113 SOS
all day, everyday, period.North Texas—BwhahahahaGo
Wallbanger:I have homework now? lol. I never said USU was superior.
I was agreeing that the Utes are far superior. They are in the PAC 12 ya know?
Why won't you Utelovers just let me agree with you?
AggieWACteam:Settle down buddy! I always root for Utah State when
they’re not playing the Utes. You know as well as all of us, the Aggies
played an extremely weak schedule. Why do you think it took so long for the CFP
polls to put them in there? It’s quite obvious. Enjoy this last season,
and be glad GA is coming back, or your team would probably go back to the norm
of 3-5 wins. And they may anyways.As the last 20 years, the Aggies
have posted like 5 winning seasons. And an even more embarrassing overall bowl
record. Again, you USU “fans” need to stop acting like your team is
SO superior, but rather a product of a weak schedule. If I’m wrong, please
list the most impressive wins you had last season and why.
I havent been able to read previous comments, so sorry if this has already been
said, I will take the 4* Manny Bowen over Hart any day. I'm sure
that's why he is leaving. No biggy!!!!
AZUTE1, Why do we need to mention SOS when we know we have you to
remind us.........On EVERY article about USU the WHOLE season.
“azute, according to the final polls, if a player wants to play for the
best and highest ranked team in the state, he would choose the Aggies.
Can’t blame guys for wanting to be on a better team.”Hilarious....usu backed into their ranking via a super weak schedule, a
schedule that was 5 times weaker than ours....Yet, usu couldn’t even win
their super weak midmajor division—LOLFor once, incorporate
SOS into your narrative, if you have the courage, as it’s 100%
relevant.Fact is, usu played 1 P5 opponent & lost—UNranked
MSU, who lost their bowl game to a team we beat & also lost this year @ home
to our finish ranked P5 bowl opponent.North
Texas—BwhahahahaU #1usu #2WSU #3byu #4SUU #5Who’s your Daddy?Go Utes!
Oh london_josh, you and your silly logic. The Utes are the far better team.
They's in the PAC 12 you know?
You're so right Bano. Those teams were so MUCH better because they were in
the PAC. We all know the PAC is God's GIFT to football. Just like BYU and
Why so salty Uteology? I am agreeing with with you, the PAC is MUCH better.
The PAC BEAT MWC teams 6 out of 10 times this year. That is complete DOMINANCE.
Plus if you take out games that don't matter like the silly bowl games,
it was 6 out of 9. I would much rather go by some computer generated stats than
ACTUAL reality. In the computer FANTASY world the Aggies would beat PAC teams
only 17% of them time. Plus in my buddy Uteology's FANTASY world the
Aggies would only be as good as Colorado in the PAC. Nevermind that none of
these games happened in REALITY. The computers are so SMART. What do the
press and coaches know? They only make their living reporting about and
coaching NCAA football. A computer is WAY smarter than them. Plus
lets bring up prior seasons so we can be just like are brothers the BYU fans.
BYU is great because they won a national championship in 1984. Utah is great
because they are in the PAC. Except the one year in 2012 which was a FLUKE.
Even though that loss to USU caused the U's athletic director to buy his
way out of the next game in Logan and stop scheduling USU all together. Utes
are DEFINITELY the best team in Utah this year.
Utah State had a very nice year but the problem with comparing Utah State to
Utah is the fact that Utah State had no great wins. The only two decent teams
they played they lost to. Utah beat Stanford and Oregon who both had respectable
years. While both USC and UCLA were bad this year the Utes did beat them both
and USC and UCLA are both better then the teams Utah State was beating up on.
@AggieWinningTeam - Woods Cross, UTThe PAC is so much BETTER than the MWC.
That's why the U could only spend 12 seasons in the MWC. They just had to
get out. It is by far the worst conf in the FBS. They only had 3 ranked teams in
the FINAL Coaches and AP Polls. All other G5 schools combined had 2. The U could
go 0-9 in the PAC and still be better than an 11-2 MWC team.-----------Someone hurt your feelings?PAC-12 is MUCH
better than the MWC, just like SEC is MUCH better than the PAC-12. That's
just a fact.#1 SEC-West 83#4 PAC-12 North 78 (-5)#9
PAC-12 South 73 (-10)#10 MWC Mountain 63 (-20)#15 MWC West 61
(-22)Source: SagarinUtah State vs PAC: 7-36 17%USU is 1-21 since 1960 vs PAC. The only win was by your best team in history
when in 2012 #16 Utah State beat 8-5 Utah in OT at home on a questionable
call.In 2018, Utah State wouldn't been much better than
Colorado in the PAC-12.
Aggies didn't play Utah this year.You can look at head to head
- as a BYU fan I wish that Utah game could be a redo while USU was a beat down.
USU was easily the better team against common opponents. Then look
at the rankings, USU wins that too.Phenomenal team this year, I hope
the changes don't mess it up. Anderson has been there before, but coming
back does not give instant chemistry. Utah had an amazing season
also, but calling Utah "hands down" better is a stretch because the guys
doing the rankings choose lesser known USU above Utah.
Two corrections to my previous posts:I meant to tell Sports Nut to
stop acting like an 11-2 Aggie team was better than a 9-5 Utes team.Also the U's athletic director stopped scheduling the Battle of the
Brothers not USU's.I apologize for the typos. And
before I forget. No matter what happens the Utes are wonderful.
WallbangerWhy do you keep talking about the past? You're
starting to sound like a fan of the team down south.
🤔 I wonder why all the Utelovers keep addressing me in their comments.
I am agreeing with them and just trying to tell Sports Nut how it is. There is
NO WAY USU could POSSIBLY be 9-5 in the PAC. The PAC is so GREAT. They have
had 2 teams make the college playoffs and one even made the championship.
Ignore both of those teams were in the PAC North division and both got trounced
in the games they were eliminated. It still makes the U way SUPERIOR to USU.
The U WON the PAC South for heavens sake. Two whole teams from the PAC South
went to bowl games. That's so AMAZING. Both did great in their bowl
games. The Utes were winning at half time and ASU was tied with Fresno (from
the far inferior MWC) at half. Plus the Aggies 2nd ranked scoring offense could
NOT have possibly scored 3 points in the PAC championship.The PAC is
so much BETTER than the MWC. That's why the U could only spend 12 seasons
in the MWC. They just had to get out. It is by far the worst conf in the FBS.
They only had 3 ranked teams in the FINAL Coaches and AP Polls. All other G5
schools combined had 2. The U could go 0-9 in the PAC and still be better than
an 11-2 MWC team.
AggieWeakScheduleTeam:Correct you are that Utah didn’t beat
any teams this year that finished ranked. But the Utes have been there, done
that, many times. Can’t say the same about Utah State. The Aggies finally
have a good year for the first time in...forever, and look at all of them coming
out of the woodwork. Let’s see if your team can stay consistent. History
shows, they’re usually mediocre to terrible most years.
@Aggiewinningteam,"Stop acting like the 9-5 Utes are better that
the 11-2 Aggies"The Aggies couldn't even win their division
in one of the worst conferences in all of FBS football. Top to bottom, Utah is
the best team in the state.
Sports Nut,Stop acting like USU is this crazy good team because they
ended the season ranked. It's not like they beat any teams who ended the
season ranked. 😂🤣😂@walbanger. Have you
heard of circular reasoning?PS the Utes didn't beat any teams
that ended the season ranked either.PPS USU didn't play the
Utes this year because USU's AD stopped scheduling USU after USU beat the U
in 2012. He bought his way out of the 2014 game scheduled in Logan and
finished off the 2013 and 2015 games in RES.
AggieWinningTeam - Woods Cross, UTJan. 9, 2019 9:46 p.m.Yea Sports
Nut,Stop acting like the 9-5 Utes are better that the 11-2 Aggies.
------Stop acting like Utah State would be 9-5 in the
PAC-12.USU had a good year, but Utah is the best football program in
Yea Sports Nut,Stop acting like the 9-5 Utes are better that the
11-2 Aggies. The Utes got shutout in the first half against byu the Aggies could
only score 21 points against byu in the first half. The Utes won the PAC 12
South and even scored 3 points in the PAC 12 championship. Plus they played so
well in the first half of their bowl game. Don't pay attention to the AP
and coaches poll. Instead let me quote these meaningless computerized polls.
Plus let's see who is ranked in the preseason next year before any games
are even played. The Utes had a way better season. 😂🤣😂
The Aggies were definitely the “best” team in the State last season.
With an end of season Strength of Schedule at 113, and their opponents combined
record of 60-88. Who would question it? Or we could just leave at this...they
had the best overall record. But they didn’t play the Utes, so nobody will
ever know. Congrats on finishing ranked for the THIRD time in school history!
Maybe Harlan could drop the cougs for the USU.
Mike,My brain says 6-6 is safe. My moxie takes your bet
because I like being bold and I like velvet tacos and byu.A lot of
the big games are at home, a lot of true freshman are sophomores next year. The
schedule is brutal but good football ahead. Let's do 7-5 and a win over
ArizonaUte,Utah was in CFP and clemson was #2 and ND #3 - come on
man, do you really think the final results are the same?USU had a
spectacular year, let them celebrate.
Another one. Wow I guess they are figuring out which team is the best on the
Sports Nut:Please stop acting like Utah State is this crazy good
team year in and year out! 2018 was what...one quite good, not great season, in
25 years? Maybe one other? The Aggies are usually very mediocre at best playing
an even less than mediocre schedule. Go undefeated, beating some teams that
FINISHED ranked, then get to a NY6 bowl and win it. Then talk. Until
then, the Aggies are just a carbon copy of the old byu of the Mtn West! Good
luck hanging onto Anderson for more than 3 or 4 years.
arizona, I choose to go by polls from people who actually can watch
a game and season and then make a judgment, not by some computer spitting out
stats. As for next year and every year before and after, its not where you
start but where you actually finish. Almost 4 times as many voters in the AP
(actual live people) say the Aggies are/were the best team in the state this
year, and they are correct. Try and spin it anyway you want, but it will be a
very long off season for the slc team and its fans. Go Aggies.
@Frank Walters - Salt Lake City, UTJan. 8, 2019 4:13 p.m.Utah
is fine QB and OC wise. OCs turn over everywhere.Alabama is elite.
Saban has had more OCs than Whitt. Just say'n. And while they have some
elite QBs now, Bama generally doesn't have elite QBs. It's true. But they do have elite RBs and WRs. Even without an elite QB to throw
to them. Clearly a QB helps but Utah has a 4* WR commit who will
sign in Feb. who is elite. And we don't have an OC yet. Moss
is elite and returning, and we don't have an OC yet. Just say'n.
@Sports Nutz - Smithfield, UTJan. 9, 2019 3:27 p.m.Well
according to Sagarin's final rankings:Utah is #23 Utah
State is #27And the final CFP poll?Utah #17Utah
State not rankedFurther more, SOS:Utah #26 SOSUtah
State #113 SOS Let's see which team is preseason ranked as
azute, according to the final polls, if a player wants to play for the best and
highest ranked team in the state, he would choose the Aggies. Can’t blame
guys for wanting to be on a better team. Go Aggies.
Dear London Joshsy77,Let us see what happens after spring camp. I
offer you again......you can take BYU 7-5 in 2019 for velvet tacos in Dallas.
You are two bets down as of today brutha. All the best to you an the fam man!!!!
"Meanwhile, at byu-p, all's quiet because no one wants anyone on their
staff."The what and the who? Sorry, do we have a lot
of staff spots open that I'm aware of, what on earth are you talking about?
Meanwhile, at byu-p, all's quiet because no one wants anyone on their
staff.And the two star players aren't going anywhere because
they all know they shouldn't be playing D1 ball in the first place.lulz
Mike,KW is a much better coach than Kalani, active member of the
church, and so that's a fit for BYU.Whittingham got Utah
winning with defense, when Bronco did the same thing the fans nearly ran him out
of town, because if the fans aren't seeing the ball thrown 70 yards
down-field and don't have a chance to see dramatic catches then it's
not a BYU game.Utah has a football culture, BYU also has a football
culture. Utah has a better HC but Kalani is a better fit at BYU. I'm
curious to see if Kalani improves over the next few seasons - he should be
looking at renting rather than buying right now.
I think the grad transfer rule is a great one. By allowing athletes who earn
their degrees to transfer without having to sit out a year, it helps keep
athletes focused on their academic progress and provides another reason to
graduate.I congratulate these two young men and the recent grad
transfer at the Y for their focus on academics and their graduation. Best wishes to all three as well as they look for on field opportunities.
Of all the comments, this story is specifically about Mariner and Hart. Hart
was never an impact player - talent or not, and Utah has never had much of an
issue in fielding a top defense, from the defensive line to linebackers to the
secondary. The NFL knows that. So, we wish Hart well but he is easily
replaced.As for Mariner, a promising talent for sure, that never
completed materialized for a number of reasons. However, it was Mariner who
(unfortunately for him and team) failed to secure an important catch in the
PAC12 championship coughing it up for the only TD in the game to the UW. So,
best of luck to him as well in his next efforts. As for the rest,
Tuttle is the saddest to see go and who knows what will become of him. As for
Taylor, it will be years before and if he is relevant again in the Division 1
The only way for Utah to be a factor on the national stage is to hire a new head
football coach. KWhitt belongs at BYU, not Utah. As per this article, we lose
players and crucial coaches because of our HC.......go to BYU KW!
Utah can't recruit offensive players, because the smart ones look at the
track record of the U and realize that A- they don't throw the ball very
well, and B- they'll try and switch you to defense if you're any good.
I totally agree with my dear buddy London Joshsy77. Guys wanna play!!!!!!!
Good luck to both. Mariner showed flashes of brilliance. His issue this year was
he was injured when Huntley was QB and Shelley clearly had a preference for
Dixon in his throwing rotation (for good reason). I think Mariner will succeed
wherever he goes.I agree, while it is a loss, not a huge one,
especially if our young WRs improve over the off season. I am hoping
the 'playing alongside the brother' aspect is enough to snag P Nacua
over to Utah from USC. If we got him, Darren Jones, and Lolani Langi our class
would jump from being very below average to above average, especially
considering its size. The last 5 recruit pieces for Utah are those three, Junior
Tafuna, and a QB with getting 4/5 being necessary to save this recruit class.Also, I don't think we need to worry about people leaving. 4 NFL
potential juniors decided to stick around showing people want to stay as much,
if not more, than they want to leave. The concern will be the year
2020 when all our Seniors to be leave, plus J. Johnson (most likely).
I wish both of them all the best. It doesn’t appear that either was going
to get much playing time anyway. I totally understand why they want to transfer.
The concern from BYU fans is comical. You would think they would have enough to
worry about, but no Utah is their biggest worry. Typical.
A lot of these guys just want to play.You grow up loving the game
but then you look at the end of your time playing as a sub and I totally
understand why they want to transfer.
@pacmidmajor"And the list continues...Tuttle-gone...Mariner-gone...Hart-gone...Ena-gone....Taylor-gone...Who's going to be next ??"BYU-P's backup RB
And the list continues... Tuttle-gone...Mariner-gone...Hart-gone...Ena-gone....Taylor-gone...Who's going to be
@kill coug"Why can’t the City fans thank them, wish them
well and move on?"Apparently you missed the 13 posts above (I
counted them) that literally contained the words "wish them well"? Talk
about only seeing what you want to see...
Congrats to both on getting your degrees and good luck.
My goodness two young men decide to transfer from the city college and their
send off by the BOTH fans is less than optimal. Why can’t the City fans
thank them, wish them well and move on?
Like some have suggested, the U needs to intensify its efforts to flip Puka
Nicua. With Mariner gone there's any opening in the receiver corps. With
USC losing its OC, PN should be attracted to a program where the coaching staff
isn't out shopping for a new OC. Wait...we don't have an
“Maybe he is looking to transfer to the best team in the state
;-)”If he’s looking to play small-ball [see their #113
ranked SOS] on the state’s 2nd best team, sure, transfer to usu.Go Utes!
“But we still have plenty of more productive receivers returning: Covey,
Dixon, Nacua, Simpkins, Enis.”What nobody’s talking
about is what a healthy DT’ll bring to the table....We caught a glimpse of
it during our bowl game on his 31 yard [IIRC] reception down the
sideline....Literally every single program insider I have access to agrees he
easily has #1 WR potential.SE, as stated, has HUGE potential, as
well....Then there’s TP.In other words, we’re straight
stacked AND young....And if he wants to join our program/his brother SN, just
imagine our WR corps if PN flips from USC [longshot, I know]? BOOM!Go Utes!
Maybe he is looking to transfer to the best team in the state ;-)
Utah seems locked into running QBs. Why would any receiver who has aspirations
for the NFL go there? Not that the U is a bad place. If I was a defensive
player, it would be a great place to be. Maybe o line. Running back. And of
course if I lived in Australia I would try to be the kicker here.
Wish Mariner the best. He is a graduate and free to transfer, good for him.I’d like to echo what P5 Proud posted. Did you see the receivers
on the Clemson squad? These are NFL caliber kids playing as teenagers. Utes
have a good group of receivers but need to get an elite kid or two in the
program. Hopefully one of the kids other than Covey makes a leap next year AND
the Utes get a couple of high level recruits.
"We need a capable QB . . ."frank:You coog fans
love your QB.
I think it's a good move on his part. Covey is back next year, Enis and
Dixon came on strong the last several games of the year, Nacua had more
production this season, AND we've got Darren Jones as a hard commit. Who
knows, maybe Mariner has even heard things about Jones being sure to sign, and
that helped lead to his decision. Regardless, I'm grateful for what he did
for the team, and I wish him well. I hope he ends up somewhere where he can get
a lot of reps.
WACougmidmajor:Whittingham once said, “if nobody wants your
coaches, then there’s something wrong with your program.” And I 100%
agree with that. Don’t see anyone lined up to snatch any coaches from your
cougs. And players transfer from EVERY program EVERY season. Maybe
worry more about this...2010...loss2011...loss2012...loss2013...loss2015...loss2016...loss2017...loss2018...lossWhat’s next?And no Final
AP rankings in nearly a decade. And not one CFP poll appearance. That’d be
my biggest concerns if I were a coug fan. As well as recruiting classes that are
in the 80s and 90s. Not who the Utes are losing. But thanks for your concern
anyways!Best of luck Mariner. I wish you well!
WACmidmajor:"Tuttle -gone..."But we STILL have a
returning Senior QB, PLUS a returning backup with 5 games now under his belt,
and he's only a Sophomore. And those were the 1st and 2nd team QBs.
Tuttle was 3rd on the depth chart.YOU guys on the other hand are
losing YOUR 2nd-string QB.QB depth edge: Utah."Mariner-gone..."But we still have plenty of more
productive receivers returning: Covey, Dixon, Nacua, Simpkins, Enis.YOU guys on the other hand are losing both Collie AND Dye!WR depth
edge: Utah."Ena-gone...Taylor-gone...Whos next ??"And don't forget Andersen. And the answer to your question is...the next
hottest coach in the state. Same as it ever was. YOU guys on the other hand,
don't have ANY "hot" coaches that other programs are interested in.
So essentially, you're "stability" is your "weakness".
Not your "strength". Haha!HUGE Coaching depth edge: Utah.
Tuttle -gone... Mariner-gone...Ena-gone...Taylor-gone...Whos next ??
We need a capable QB in order to retain and attract receiver talent. Oh, and
the revolving door at OC hurts too. KWhitt needs to figure things out,
we're a good football team now but if we want to be elite we need
Utemythology “Gaslighting is a tactic in which a person or
entity makes a person question their reality. It is a common technique of
abusers, dictators, narcissists, cult leaders, conservatives, and...”BYU haters like U who are obsessed with the new word they have added to
Navel VetBYU has a transfer who had three tackles and their world is
ending while my alma mater loses a wide receiver and it is no big deal. That
We Ute fans won't miss Mariner one iota. His dropped balls and
attitude.........see ya pal!
Guys taking shots at Utah might want to take a look at other program transfers.
Utah is significantly better than most other programs keeping their guys around.
I wish Siosi the best...things just didn't go the way everyone hoped.
Sometimes a new place will make a difference for him . He's a great kid.
"Wow ! A Lot of movement going on at the u and not in a good way ..... What
is going on up there ??"One WR transfers out after the season,
while Manny Bowen (4star LB) transfers in. Not to mention Moss, Fotu, Blackmon
and Anae decide to stay for their senior year, and you say that's is not in
a good way? Please educated me on what would be better? Coach Taylor taking a
HC is normal, so don't go there.You do realize Mariner is not
even a projected starter, I would leave also to get playing time.
WACmidmajor:What are you talking about? We lose one WR, who ranked
6th on the team in receiving, but keep our star RB, DT, DE, and CB -- all of
whom were projected to have anywhere from a "decent shot" to a "sure
thing" at landing on an NFL squad -- and you're wondering about
what's going on with your big brother on the hill? We're gonna be
just fine! I'd be more worried about why aren't any other FBS
programs interested in your coaches or graduate transfers if I were you.Silly indy-WACer.
A good solid receiver for the Utes and there's talent here. But like so
many Ute receivers over the past couple of decades, no real ability to become
"the man" or to really separate or make big-time catches except on rare
occasions. If you watched the Clemson squad last night you saw receivers of that
type. Britian Covey is the guy for the Utes and a couple of very young TE's
have shown that they have good hands and the ability to rumble after the catch.
Until a Ute WR finally shows that he has what it takes to be the one who handles
long aired out passes and not let them slip through his fingers, that is what
the Utes will rely on (I think Samson Nacua has the best chance to develop into
that kind of receiver). I don't think Siaosi will become a Darrin
Carrington, but I do think he can contribute somewhere and perhaps become a bit
of a playmaker. Good luck to him and thank you for your time as a Ute.
Wow ! A Lot of movement going on at the u and not in a good way ..... What is
going on up there ??
I wish him well. A receiver with so much promise but never could quite rise
above average. Good Luck and thank you for your efforts!
I wish him well..