Trump heads to TV, border as fed workers face paycheck sting

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  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 1:35 p.m.

    trump claimed he shut down the government. Now it's the dem's fault. Tomorrow who knows who he will blame.
    But, the GOP controlled House and Senate did not give him the money for the wall so this whole mess is the GOP's fault.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 1:25 p.m.

    @lostindc
    "I notice you’re not denying the drain illegals are on our system, yet you argue against a means to prevent more from coming. Why?"

    Because the data does not support the need.

    The number of illegals in the country has been flat at around 11+ million for more than a decade. That mathematically can only lead to one conclusion, we are not seeing an increase of illegals getting into the country. Not from the southern border and not from any other source.

    If we had a large number of illegals coming across the southern border every year, the number in country would have to increase year over year. It hasn't.

    So, either we're turning back an equal amount that try to cross currently, or we're deporting an equal number to those coming across. That is only way that the math works with the data we have.

    If we are already stopping or deporting an equal number, then there literally is no justification to now build a wall.

    That money and effort should be spent deporting the 11+ million that are already costing us, instead of throwing billions to solve a mythical 'flood of illegals' problem that doesn't actually exist

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 12:37 p.m.

    @mcclark "Why do Thid and Worf ignore Trumps promise that Mexico will pay for the wall?"

    True believers.
    The sunken cost logical fallacy.
    If you voted for Trump in spite of a life-long, well documented history of fraud and infidelity, you are pretty much locked in *no matter what* Trump does or says.

    That whole thing where Trump claimed he could shoot somebody on 5th avenue and he wouldn't lose any voters? That was literally true.

  • J. Smith Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 11:44 a.m.

    It’s time for the CIA to do the heavy lifting to save our Country & Constitution...

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 11:42 a.m.

    Why do Thid and Worf ignore Trumps promise that Mexico will pay for the wall? And dont try the Tariff thing, Mexico does not pay them, we do.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 11:24 a.m.

    @lost in dc

    This shutdown is on Trump. Just like the shutdown was on Obama when he was president.

    Trump should agree to open the government today and negotiate separately for border security.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 11:15 a.m.

    It's an all out campaign to generate fear.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, WA
    Jan. 8, 2019 10:58 a.m.

    I'd like to make a prediction --
    Based on his own previous disregard for the rule of law,
    I reckon Trump will:

    1. Go on TV and falsely declare his "National Emergency"
    2. Will order the military to immediately start building his wall
    3. Tries to save face by ending his government shutdown without backing down
    4. Double dog dares Congress and the Courts to stop him
    5. He will be sued in court for it
    6. The Courts will of course order him to stop
    7. Trump will then blames the Courts for his own mistake

    To Trump, it's all about Trump...

  • Steve Cottrell Centerville, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 10:29 a.m.

    I hope the networks will include fact checking along with the speech. This president has not garnered a reputation for telling the truth.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Jan. 8, 2019 9:46 a.m.

    For the past 2 years, Trump has controlled the Executive Branch and all the policy decisions over immigration enforcement. During the same time, the GOP controlled both the House and Senate.

    Yet we are on the cusp of Trump declaring a state of emergency related to immigration issues he/GOP failed or chose not to address.

    America needs to point Trump to that classic sticker/magnet that hangs by the desks in many HR/admin departments: "Lack of Planning on Your Part, Does Not Constitute an Emergency on My Part"

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Jan. 8, 2019 9:12 a.m.

    It is certainly interesting, as well as disappointing, to see how the Democrats and MSM are treating this subject. It is evident they see some political advantage for the liberal agenda in taking the position of opposing border security.

    They are even quoting Ronald Reagan on his view of the southern border. The one thing they don't understand (evidently) is that Reagan was in favor of easy crossing of the border as long as the US knew who was coming and going. With our current immigration laws and loopholes this is impossible to know.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 9:09 a.m.

    When BO and clinton shut down the government, the GOP passed a plethora of bills to open the government, but BO and bill ignored them till they got what they wanted. Trump should do the same.

    Too bad the dems put the interests of illegal immigrants ahead of our interests.

    chuck talks about bullies and not letting them win – the GOP let bill win so BO bullied more. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. chuck and nancy seemed to have learned nothing from the past 2 years. trump’s not like the prior GOP, you cannot bully him and he won’t cave.

    Jane B
    chuck’s idea of negotiating is offer .001 and take .999, then walk out when you don't get 100

    FT
    The shutdown is not about a wall, but the dems’ desire to diminish trump – at the expense of us all.

    Frozen
    This is the dems’ shutdown. He has called for a wall for years, that’s nothing new.

    Silo
    I notice you’re not denying the drain illegals are on our system, yet you argue against a means to prevent more from coming. Why?

    Ralph
    chuck and nancy host a reality show?

    Utah Girl
    they should not air the dem response of fear, misinformation, and propaganda

    joewillie12
    see my 1st paragraph – this is a dem shutdown

  • RC in WJ WEST JORDAN, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 8:09 a.m.

    Frequent poster Worf asks, " Why does Trump want a wall"?

    It requires little or no research!

    Trump see's the wall should it get built, as a 2000 mile edifice of his legacy of greatness. It in actuality has little or nothing to do with security of the country.

    In his fairy tale world of narcissism and self aggrandizement, he fails to see that in reality, it would be nothing more than a 2000 mile reminder to the country and the world of the worst POTUS in history!

  • Robgreen - Saratoga Springs, UT , 00
    Jan. 7, 2019 11:18 p.m.

    Why is our federal government even involved in this negotiation? The Donald is on record over and over again saying that Mexico is going to pay for it!

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 10:16 p.m.

    @fred44

    I agree, republicans always talk about the constitution but want to ignore the process over campaign rally promises.

    Trump can’t demand a wall. He isn’t king.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 10:06 p.m.

    Is $5 Billion enough to build the wall? I understand it will require much more than that. So why is Trump asking and fighting for $5 B, when it wouldn't even be enough?

    I am convinced Trump is using immigration and the wall as a way to energize his base. I do not believe he really cares that much about the wall--it is a vehicle to keep him in power and influence the news around the nation.

    Trump is shutting down government for enough money to build a small section of his wall. And for a man that is supposed to be a great negotiator, he is a terrible negotiator.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Jan. 7, 2019 9:00 p.m.

    Welcome to McAllen Texas.

  • my_two_cents_worth university place, WA
    Jan. 7, 2019 6:23 p.m.

    @NoNamesAccepted

    "President Trump has made clear he will negotiate."

    President Trump made it clear that he will force Mexico to pay the bill.

    "Methinks $3b"

    Me thinks Trump should stick to his campaign promise.

  • joewillie12 Corpus Christi, TX
    Jan. 7, 2019 4:38 p.m.

    NoNamesAccepted:

    Please note House Democrats aren't demanding or obstructing anything. They passed a bill to reopen the government last week.

    Senate Republicans (who perfected obstruction politics) are your true target.

    Carry on.

  • Anti-Trump Everett, WA
    Jan. 7, 2019 3:49 p.m.

    I'm not going to tune into Trump's Reichstag Fire....

  • bachelors of science Brigham City, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 3:46 p.m.

    President Trump and Mike Pence should go to Mexico to start soliciting funds for the wall. They can go door to door or set up a stand at the street market.

    They might not collect a lot but every Peso counts!

  • fireonthemtn Reno, NV
    Jan. 7, 2019 2:26 p.m.

    Let's hope the major networks ignore Trump's infomercial request(of course, Trump state television will be happy to air his fictional narrative) and shun his photo op on the border. Better yet, have the president of Mexico hand over a check to cover the 5 billion dollar cost to the US taxpayer while Trump parades around looking self important.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 7, 2019 2:06 p.m.

    Pelosi and Schumer should actually go to our southern border and talk to border patrol agents about this issue? Guaranteed they will not because they don't want to hear the truth, they want to hear themselves blather about that which they know nothing about!

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 1:56 p.m.

    I fear he's not going to have to work too hard to convince those that have never been out of the country, his base, that there's some kind of emergency or crisis.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 7, 2019 1:28 p.m.

    How about we try to have the Constitution work here like it is suppose to work. I keep waiting for Mike to give us a lesson in the Constitution. Spending bills originate in the House. The House has passed a spending bill. The Senate should take up that spending bill and debate it, and give it an up or down vote. If it passes in the Senate it should go the President where he can choose to sign it or veto it.

    This shutdown was caused by Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter, but it is now the fault of Mitch McConnell. Rather than refuse to bring a bill passed in the House to the floor, how about we let the Constitution work as it was intended? If the Senate and House can't agree, then get a conference committee and get it figured out. McConnell has allowed Trump to be a dictator by saying he won't sign the bill, so he won't even bring it to a vote. That is not how the Founding Fathers envisioned the Constitution working.

    Neither the Senate nor the President should be able to marginalize the House by telling them what they can and cannot pass.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 1:27 p.m.

    The TV networks have no moral obligation to broadcast fear, misinformation, and propaganda to the delight of xenophobes everywhere.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 1:18 p.m.

    More political theater from the Reality Show Host.

    The Republicans are pushing an ineffective solution to a fabricated problem.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 12:21 p.m.

    @thid
    "Steven A. Camarota, research director at the Center for Immigration Studies, crunched the numbers and found that the current population of illegal immigrants will drain nearly $750 billion from taxpayers over their lifetimes "

    Again Thid, the data you're producing validates that Trump is completely wrong on the issue, and that money should be spent on things other than the wall.

    The key in your citation is this "the current population of illegal immigrants". The entire $750 billion you claim comes from the "current population of illegal immigrants".

    If you spent a $100 billion tomorrow to build a full length, impenetrable wall on our southern border complete with gun turrets and infrared scanners, it would not save a single penny of Steven Camarota's estimated costs because those illegals are ALREADY here.

    Building a wall will not reduce the costs of those already here. You only reduce those costs by deporting those illegals already in the country. Why is that so difficult to grasp?

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 7, 2019 12:12 p.m.

    Silo: We are already paying hundreds of billions for illegal aliens! How many more illegal aliens are you willing to pay for? Or should I say force American taxpayers to pay for? President Trump has spent his life EARNING money while Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer have invested their careers in SPENDING other people's money! Logically, who should we trust when it comes to saving taxpayer's money? There are many reasons we need to build the wall and saving taxpayer's money is one of them. Something with which President Trump is concerned while his critics could not care less about taxpayers! Why would any rational, logical taxpayer oppose the wall? Really logical after all, isn't it?

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 11:24 a.m.

    @thid
    "The nearly $135 billion paid out by federal and state and local taxpayers to cover the cost of the presence of 12.5 million illegal aliens and their 4.2 million citizen children amounts to approximately $8,075 per illegal alien. "

    Thid. Your logic is severely flawed.

    You cannot justify the cost of building a wall by using cost data from illegals who are already in the country. Building a wall saves nothing against ANY of those claimed costs. Not a single penny.

    Building a wall does not deport any of those illegals nor does it address their citizen children who cannot legally be deported.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 7, 2019 11:17 a.m.

    Why President Trump is spot on correct about this issue! Steven A. Camarota, research director at the Center for Immigration Studies, crunched the numbers and found that the current population of illegal immigrants will drain nearly $750 billion from taxpayers over their lifetimes — amounting to six times the deportation costs. Build the wall and save taxpayer's money: That's why!

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Jan. 7, 2019 10:31 a.m.

    @worf: "Why is Trump wanting the wall and why are Democrats against it[?] This requires research and study beyond the everyday news."

    About as much research and study as it takes to determine that water is wet.

    There is nothing remarkable about being against erratic and irrational decision-making. No research is required to know the vast majority of Americans prefer to make decisions based upon rational, common-sense rather than impulsive, ego-driven emotion. Our households and businesses would not function if this were not so.

    And then there is Trump.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Jan. 7, 2019 10:05 a.m.

    at long last. . . - Kirksville , MO
    "That is the story here for the Democrats. . . Don't try to govern, just 'resist'. If the country doesn't succeed and look good at things, then the Democrats win political points."

    It worked for Republicans when Obama was in office.

    Trump as use all the money he gets from Mexico. No objections here.

  • JaneB Wilsonville, OR
    Jan. 7, 2019 9:56 a.m.

    I thought Trump was good at marketing? He's not doing a good job marketing his wall to the public. His tweets are counterproductive, i.e. poor me, fake state of emergency threat, etc.

    Sending out his top people to Sunday shows didn't do much but expose them as disingenuous on border statistics. Terrorists are not coming in through the southern border, and drugs are primarily carried in vehicles at ports of entry.

    It's clear Trump intends to offer nothing to Democrats, who know Americans don't like the shutdown, and don't want the wall.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 9:26 a.m.

    NoNamesAccepted
    Compromise involves both groups getting something they want. (Like last year there were wall for DACA discussions), not giving in to half the hostage takers' demands. This is Trump's shutdown (and McConnell's) because of insistence on new policy attempting to be jammed into the budget.

    The shutdown last year was the Democrats fault because they were trying to force in reinstatement of DACA. Would you think an appropriate compromise to that shutdown would be Republicans reinstating DACA for some of the Dreamers?

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Jan. 7, 2019 9:20 a.m.

    Why is Trump wanting the wall and why are Democrats against it.

    This requires research and study beyond the everyday news.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Jan. 7, 2019 9:10 a.m.

    Article: "Trump sought to frame a steel barrier as progress, saying Democrats 'don't like concrete, so we'll give them steel'".

    Trump might as well be saying Democrats 'don't like idiocy, so we'll give them stupidity.' Worse still is that Trump may genuinely be confused why such his dubious concession is dismissed out of hand.

    If only America had elected a successful businessman rather than someone who only played one on tee-vee.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 8:47 a.m.

    The shutdown is not about a wall but one man's insecurities and an opposing political party's intent to clearly show the emperor is not wearing any clothes. The reality is the majority of Americans already know about both and don't think either is worth all the trouble. The GOP should have settled all this while they controlled both branches of government.

  • JaneB Wilsonville, OR
    Jan. 7, 2019 8:38 a.m.

    Trump's idea of negotiating is offering steel rather than concrete. Democrats said don't make us laugh. The walls are closing in on Mr. Dealmaker.

    -R's are signaling they are ready to move on
    -Most Americans don't like the shutdown or the wall
    -Federal workers are now entering a perilous financial situation
    -Delta and United sent a letter to Trump (not to Democrats) and said "cut the nonsense":

    "I am writing to urge you to take the necessary steps to immediately end the shutdown of government agencies that is adversely affecting the safety, security and efficiency of our national airspace system."

    Trump really has no where to go, but to declare a FAKE state of emergency. We'll see how that works out for him.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 7, 2019 8:06 a.m.

    The nearly $135 billion paid out by federal and state and local taxpayers to cover the cost of the presence of 12.5 million illegal aliens and their 4.2 million citizen children amounts to approximately $8,075 per illegal alien. Pay a paltry $5 billion (one time expense) now or continue to pay out $135 billion every year into eternity!
    Actually, the "pressure" is on the Democrats to explain why American taxpayers should continue suffer like this! Folks, its YOUR money, not theirs! Build the wall!

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 7:52 a.m.

    Maybe he will do a 180 like he had to do on Syria. Impulsive not thought out tweets may not be the best way to attempt to run a government.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Jan. 7, 2019 7:37 a.m.

    That is the story here for the Democrats. . . Don't try to govern, just 'resist'. If the country doesn't succeed and look good at things, then the Democrats win political points.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 7:01 a.m.

    "Trump reaffirmed that he would consider declaring a national emergency to circumvent Congress and spend money as he saw fit."

    If Trump can make this stick, the Trump dictatorship which I have long predicted will be fact.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 6:56 a.m.

    Why pressure or play games?

    President Trump has made clear he will negotiate. Methinks $3b for a border fence has the government open by close of business.

    Demanding 0 for a fence or wall isn't negotiating. It is partisan obstruction on the part of congressional democrats.