Disappointed in the loss for sure, but even more disappointed that Hardnett did
not play after obviously carrying the team the game before with Pacific. No
chance at all given to him. One mistake and to the bench. They really missed
Hardnett in the St. Mary's game. They are headed down without Hardnett.
Won't be surprised to see this not posted. D News seems very protective of
coach Rose and the PC machine.
At this point, it's a rebuilding season. You are not going to make the
NCAA tournament unless you win the conference tournament or miraculously go on a
run where you lose one, maybe two games the rest of the year. So, you have
three former 4 star recruits who one assumes will be a huge part of the future
of the program - Baxter, Harding, and Lee. Stop messing around with Nixon and
Worthington and play these three. Develop them. Maybe by the end of the season
they will have turned into the players Rose expected them to be when he
recruited them and they can make a run in the conference tournament. And if
not, then next year with Wade (3 star) and Emery (4 star) and possibly but
doubtful one more year from Childs (another 4 star), you've not wasted this
As a long time fan it’s very frustrating with what’s happening in
B-ball. It starts at the top. I don’t understand why Rose got an
extension. We have good players that want to leave early with the excuse to plan
in the NBA. News flash with the talent we get almost all will not play in the
NBA. I think Child’s should stay his senior year. The NBA players from the
Y stay 4-5 years. The coaches are making poor decisions. Nelson and Worthington
are not D1 talent. Both should play sparingly. Dastrup should have played ahead
of these two last year and maybe he will be here. Lee should be playing ahead
of these two. Starting 5: Haws, Harding, Hardnet, Childs, Lee. Rose is doing
too much tinkering this late in the season players loosing confidence. A serious
coaching evaluation is needed after the season.
To use the weak excuse that BYU is "road weary" is down right misleading
at best, and a complete coverup at worst. BYU has no inside game without
Childs, and he gets double teamed all the time! BYU can't defend as a team
worth a hoot. BYU struggles to get to the line, and then they can't shoot
a very high percentage most to the time. Lastly, BYU seems to have a certain
select few designated scorers, and when they aren't hitting their shots,
there is no backup plan.For all the talent BYU has this year
(perhaps the best talent overall that they have had for a very long time!) BYU
seems lost much of the time on offense, and on defense, they seem to prefer
zone, because their man-to-man defense doesn't know how to defend as a
team.I like coach Rose very much as a person, but my confidence in
his coaching is slipping quite a bit.
Good coaches do not run off the players they need (dastrup and chatman). Where
would BYU be today if we had decent play in the middle rather then have to relay
on Wothington, who does not have D1 skills.Good coaches understand
defense is 50% of the game. Hardnett saves the Pacific game with his play and he
can't get off the bench in the SMC game. Hardnett would stop Ford on D and
be able to score whereas Cannon was limited. This has to be a Rose ego thing.The only path is to let Rose go and start rebuilding now.
Real Ute - “BYU is a volleyball school, sometimes cross country and golf,
maybe. The football and basketball programs cannot attract a certain segment of
society that is required to be viable in both sports.”That's nothing more than your racist, religiously bigoted opinion.Remind us how many National Championships, Heisman Trophies, and
Nat’l HOF Players the Utes have produced in football with their more
“enlightened” recruiting.btw, there are numerous former
BYU players currently playing in the NFL and in professional basketball leagues
who totally disprove you BYU-hating claim.
Subbing players by the clock doesn't work. As soon as Emery replaced
Cannon, Ford went wild. Worthington tries hard, but he is not a scorer, plays
fair defense, but complains to the refs almost every time down the court. In
fact, a lot of these players complain all the time.If I'm Coach Rose,
the next time a player even looks at a ref, he's out.BTW, why bench
Hardnett when he's the best guard we've got? Offense on the outside
with Childs in that mix is a disaster. Keep him in the post...then FEED him the
ball.Next time a 3 point shot goes up without that player following his
own shot, he's out. If a 3 point shot goes up with nobody crashing the
boards, they're all out. Plenty of guys on the bench who want to play.
BYU is a volleyball school, sometimes cross country and golf, maybe. The
football and basketball programs cannot attract a certain segment of society
that is required to be viable in both sports. In fact, many recruits from their
own unique culture attend college elsewhere. Times change folks! I would not
expect glory in the future.
Childs nailed it...The problem isn't the players abilities, but
personal drive and discipline. Some of this has to do with coaching, but a lot
of it has to do with the individual efforts of the players. This takes intense
preparation and determination...that the other team isn't working hard than
you are. I feel most of this is done in the off-season. Were they shooting 1000
foul shots and 500+ jump shots a day during the summer months? I can guarantee
St. Marys was.BYU doesn't have the talent pool many of these
basketball power houses have. They need to make up for that in work. Just
because you made the team doesn't mean that your work is done. It is only
just beginning. Every success in life is based on the amount of work the person
puts in to it.Larry Bird would arrive several hours before each game
to shoot the ball. He made sure that there were no excuses for him missing
layups, foul shots, and jump shots. It was is own personal effort that made him
great. BYU needs to learn this lesson or they will continue to falter.
Retired Navy Seal "Excuses are Lies". Cougars have too many excuses.
Yes, unfortunately BYU is a very mediocre team this year and Rose does bear most
of the blame. I hate to pick on individuals but as has been said, Worthington
and Nixon couldn't make my rec team. It's just ridiculous. If this
keeps up we will no longer be beating the utes by 15 points, maybe only 14.
BYU just isn't that good. There is a distinct lack of discipline and
focus. I don't see it changing. This program is in need of a change.
I'm sorry but you've got Worthington and Nixon who look like a couple
of guys that are out of their element at this level of basketball. Against less
athletic and smaller teams Worthington sometimes makes two or three baskets and
gets a few rebounds. Nixon on the other hand seldom scores and when he gets the
ball under the basket he either fumbles it over to the opponent or gets fowled
then misses at least 50% of his free throws. I think Worthington has some
potential but as for Nixon, I think he should be benched. Baxter and Lee should
be getting Nixon's minutes and developed a lot more. Now,
Coach Rose is getting paid a lot of money to get the job done and he isn't
getting it done now for the 4th year in a row. Any reasonable athletic director
would start the process of buying out Coach Rose's contract at the end of
this year and bringing in a new coach to try to rebuild the once proud program.
@ scrappy do - DRAPER, UT,Are you talking about all the 4-star
recruits on the roster? Plus a few more that have left the program. The
recruiting is fine. I don’t think Rose can coach talent.
I think coach Loomis does a pretty good job with the offense but the defense is
very inconsistent. Norton and Sellers are struggling from the 3 point line.
Worthen plays hard but gets into early foul trouble. Is he related to the byu
It's odd to me that BYU coaches think it is offense that is not very good
and needs fixing. Other teams look at us and see that we score a lot of points,
so they know they have to score a lot of points and usually we see a best effort
on their parts. What's lacking is defensive consistency. It doesn't
help when two players are giving it everything and other's are standing
around. Everyone on the floor should own up, and when they're gassed put
someone else in who is ready and eager to go in. I'd like to see more of
Bergerson, in fact he and Harding and Zack Seljas should split minutes between
them with a defensive mindset. I couldn't believe that Hardnett gets very
little time against St Mary's when he saved the day against Pacific. So it
looks like coach is trying to figure out their roles and the players are
wondering what their roles are. Better get it fixed because fans may be tired
of 9 o'clock start time games.
BYU has one good player..College ball is all about recruiting and
BYU will never get the players to be a real force in NCAA b-ball ....
When our offense suffers our defense suffers? Rose, you can not be serious.
Between this comment and not playing at home in five games comment post game
last nite, you have lost half the BYU fan base. What’s next, the opposing
fans in the stands are causing our shooters to miss shots or the pregame took a
lot out of players? What is apparent to the fan base is this
year’s squad lacks key components to be successful: chemistry, mental
toughness, desire to win, defensive effort, too much dribbling by one player,
hardly no ball movement on offense, no screens, looking for a better shot,
playing for each other just to name a few. Who’s responsible for this
culture? The coaching staff. Rose, it would behoove you to hire quality
assistant coaches with recruiting pipelines outside of Utah and who have
different approaches. Hiring former players and a high school coach has been
abysmal for the program. When you’ve had quality teams at BYU,
you’ve had quality assistant coaches (Dave Rice, Mark Pope, Schroyer).
Hear me on this. Jeff, if you read any of these posts save this one. If
Holmoe doesn't address this STAT this is going to be a complete disaster.
Rose is awesome and has been excellent at BYU. This program will suffer for
much longer if this isn't handled. Not all coaches can motivate for an
entire career. Some can some can't. Next year will be worse, that's a
fact. So we will see if the backbone of Holmoe is strong enough to save a darn
good program over the years, or we sink into the deep depths of mediocrity. Do
something, don't let the basketball program fall into what everyone can
see, a dumpster fire.
This is not a great BYU team. That was pretty clear from the beginning of the
season. It only has one good big man. It will have to live on the 3-line and
instead it is dying there.Rose has had a lot of success. He has
coached some teams farther than the comparative talent on the floor should have
taken them. He has a good track record. This blend of players is not working
for whatever reason. Yes, defense is often a matter of coaching and effort, but
there is a requisite level of quickness and speed that must be there as well.
Do they lack the work ethic? Do they lack the quickness? It is up to
this team to find out this month how they are going to make this all work.
Badgering and calling for a coach's head for this one season seems
premature to me.
Come on now ... does it really matter at this point ?? This should have been
happening 2 months ago ! This season is a disaster !
byu is obviously on a precipitous decline, same as what happened last season,
only more quickly this season.Time to blow up the program &
start from scratch, IF continuing on is what their owner envisions.Go Utes!
Golly, gee whiz!Last time I checked, Dave Rose ranked seventh among
all NCAA coaches in his won-loss percentage.Last time I checked,
BYU's two best players (Mika & Bryant) left early for the professional
ranks.Hmmm. BYU's hoops team is not as good as its best effort
season. It has not been able to make it to the big dance in three years but
still won 20+ games for 13 straight seasons.BYU fans expect a lot!
Is Dave Rose perfect? No . . . Is this year's team worse than average?
Probably. Will we go 1-25? Not at all. The season is not over.
This team may be the worst Rose team in a while. . . . but BYU is NOT all about
Defense is mainly desire and effort.SM's best player (Ford) was
checked somewhat in early first half. Cannon was running around denying him the
ball. The guy can't drive to the hoop and cause so many problems without
the ball. Problem is Cannon's early pressure was lost as the
game progressed--Cannon either got too tired or subs for Cannon couldn't
duplicate his impact and Ford went crazy! Plus you can multiply this point by 5
and this will generally describe BYU's lack of defense.Then,
the topper was that on MOST SM shots BYU players were standing passively around
for rebounds instead actively blocking out and fighting for the ball.Rose worries about players' "energy, intensity, and effort" (my
paraphrase) while all of that is on the coach. Can't the coaches see the
players that take defensive plays off, or the players standing around waiting
for missed shots to fall uncontested into their hands?Remember: if
your opponent doesn't score, you don't have to.
Well at least BYU doesn't play SUU in basketball since they beat Weber St.
Maybe BYU could be competitive in the Big Sky conference. Don't see any
improvement or changes on the horizon.
Seems like basketball is such a struggle for the Cougars, past few years. The
team lacks... so much. The game doesn't change, the rules are constant,
the distance from endline to endline remains the same as does the height of the
basket. I can't find a bright spot.
Not really that many issues. Fire Rose and his staff - every single one of
them. Hire someone who can teach defense to the players. Recruit beyond Utah
County and LPHS.
If Rose can’t turn this around and finish no worse than 3rd in the WCC,
with a couple of wins in the NIT, he should hang up his whistle.
How does Rose assess his team’s defensive effort?"It
suffers when we are not very good offensively.Really... seriously?
BYU is averaging 80+ points per game. Perhaps the should start playing defense.
Pacific is one of the worst teams in the WCC and they nearly lost because of
poor defense.That’s the great thing about defense, it is
about effort plain and simple. When on the road and the shot is not falling
the one consistent thing SHOULD be the defense.