Road-weary BYU looking to fix its many 'issues' after 22-point loss at Saint Mary's

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  • Eastern CO Coug Elizabeth, CO
    Jan. 9, 2019 5:39 a.m.

    Disappointed in the loss for sure, but even more disappointed that Hardnett did not play after obviously carrying the team the game before with Pacific. No chance at all given to him. One mistake and to the bench. They really missed Hardnett in the St. Mary's game. They are headed down without Hardnett. Won't be surprised to see this not posted. D News seems very protective of coach Rose and the PC machine.

    Jan. 8, 2019 9:05 a.m.

    At this point, it's a rebuilding season. You are not going to make the NCAA tournament unless you win the conference tournament or miraculously go on a run where you lose one, maybe two games the rest of the year. So, you have three former 4 star recruits who one assumes will be a huge part of the future of the program - Baxter, Harding, and Lee. Stop messing around with Nixon and Worthington and play these three. Develop them. Maybe by the end of the season they will have turned into the players Rose expected them to be when he recruited them and they can make a run in the conference tournament. And if not, then next year with Wade (3 star) and Emery (4 star) and possibly but doubtful one more year from Childs (another 4 star), you've not wasted this year.

  • blue & white , 00
    Jan. 7, 2019 2:24 p.m.

    As a long time fan it’s very frustrating with what’s happening in B-ball. It starts at the top. I don’t understand why Rose got an extension. We have good players that want to leave early with the excuse to plan in the NBA. News flash with the talent we get almost all will not play in the NBA. I think Child’s should stay his senior year. The NBA players from the Y stay 4-5 years. The coaches are making poor decisions. Nelson and Worthington are not D1 talent. Both should play sparingly. Dastrup should have played ahead of these two last year and maybe he will be here. Lee should be playing ahead of these two. Starting 5: Haws, Harding, Hardnet, Childs, Lee. Rose is doing too much tinkering this late in the season players loosing confidence. A serious coaching evaluation is needed after the season.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 1:36 p.m.

    To use the weak excuse that BYU is "road weary" is down right misleading at best, and a complete coverup at worst. BYU has no inside game without Childs, and he gets double teamed all the time! BYU can't defend as a team worth a hoot. BYU struggles to get to the line, and then they can't shoot a very high percentage most to the time. Lastly, BYU seems to have a certain select few designated scorers, and when they aren't hitting their shots, there is no backup plan.

    For all the talent BYU has this year (perhaps the best talent overall that they have had for a very long time!) BYU seems lost much of the time on offense, and on defense, they seem to prefer zone, because their man-to-man defense doesn't know how to defend as a team.

    I like coach Rose very much as a person, but my confidence in his coaching is slipping quite a bit.

  • payara OREM, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 11:57 a.m.

    Good coaches do not run off the players they need (dastrup and chatman). Where would BYU be today if we had decent play in the middle rather then have to relay on Wothington, who does not have D1 skills.

    Good coaches understand defense is 50% of the game. Hardnett saves the Pacific game with his play and he can't get off the bench in the SMC game. Hardnett would stop Ford on D and be able to score whereas Cannon was limited. This has to be a Rose ego thing.

    The only path is to let Rose go and start rebuilding now.

  • Fashion Police Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 7, 2019 11:04 a.m.

    Real Ute - “BYU is a volleyball school, sometimes cross country and golf, maybe. The football and basketball programs cannot attract a certain segment of society that is required to be viable in both sports.”

    That's nothing more than your racist, religiously bigoted opinion.

    Remind us how many National Championships, Heisman Trophies, and Nat’l HOF Players the Utes have produced in football with their more “enlightened” recruiting.

    btw, there are numerous former BYU players currently playing in the NFL and in professional basketball leagues who totally disprove you BYU-hating claim.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 7, 2019 10:03 a.m.

    Subbing players by the clock doesn't work. As soon as Emery replaced Cannon, Ford went wild. Worthington tries hard, but he is not a scorer, plays fair defense, but complains to the refs almost every time down the court. In fact, a lot of these players complain all the time.
    If I'm Coach Rose, the next time a player even looks at a ref, he's out.
    BTW, why bench Hardnett when he's the best guard we've got? Offense on the outside with Childs in that mix is a disaster. Keep him in the post...then FEED him the ball.
    Next time a 3 point shot goes up without that player following his own shot, he's out. If a 3 point shot goes up with nobody crashing the boards, they're all out. Plenty of guys on the bench who want to play.

  • Real Ute Dallas, TX
    Jan. 7, 2019 9:58 a.m.

    BYU is a volleyball school, sometimes cross country and golf, maybe. The football and basketball programs cannot attract a certain segment of society that is required to be viable in both sports. In fact, many recruits from their own unique culture attend college elsewhere. Times change folks! I would not expect glory in the future.

  • jasonlivy Orem, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 9:32 a.m.

    Childs nailed it...

    The problem isn't the players abilities, but personal drive and discipline. Some of this has to do with coaching, but a lot of it has to do with the individual efforts of the players. This takes intense preparation and determination...that the other team isn't working hard than you are. I feel most of this is done in the off-season. Were they shooting 1000 foul shots and 500+ jump shots a day during the summer months? I can guarantee St. Marys was.

    BYU doesn't have the talent pool many of these basketball power houses have. They need to make up for that in work. Just because you made the team doesn't mean that your work is done. It is only just beginning. Every success in life is based on the amount of work the person puts in to it.

    Larry Bird would arrive several hours before each game to shoot the ball. He made sure that there were no excuses for him missing layups, foul shots, and jump shots. It was is own personal effort that made him great. BYU needs to learn this lesson or they will continue to falter.

  • estreetshuffle Window Rock, AZ
    Jan. 7, 2019 9:26 a.m.

    Retired Navy Seal "Excuses are Lies". Cougars have too many excuses.

  • Robroy Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 8:54 a.m.

    Yes, unfortunately BYU is a very mediocre team this year and Rose does bear most of the blame. I hate to pick on individuals but as has been said, Worthington and Nixon couldn't make my rec team. It's just ridiculous. If this keeps up we will no longer be beating the utes by 15 points, maybe only 14.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 8:44 a.m.

    BYU just isn't that good. There is a distinct lack of discipline and focus. I don't see it changing. This program is in need of a change.

  • Justiciaparatodos Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 8:03 a.m.

    I'm sorry but you've got Worthington and Nixon who look like a couple of guys that are out of their element at this level of basketball. Against less athletic and smaller teams Worthington sometimes makes two or three baskets and gets a few rebounds. Nixon on the other hand seldom scores and when he gets the ball under the basket he either fumbles it over to the opponent or gets fowled then misses at least 50% of his free throws. I think Worthington has some potential but as for Nixon, I think he should be benched. Baxter and Lee should be getting Nixon's minutes and developed a lot more.

    Now, Coach Rose is getting paid a lot of money to get the job done and he isn't getting it done now for the 4th year in a row. Any reasonable athletic director would start the process of buying out Coach Rose's contract at the end of this year and bringing in a new coach to try to rebuild the once proud program.

  • mnsave Rigby, ID
    Jan. 7, 2019 7:55 a.m.

    @ scrappy do - DRAPER, UT,

    Are you talking about all the 4-star recruits on the roster? Plus a few more that have left the program. The recruiting is fine. I don’t think Rose can coach talent.

  • wallyball SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 6:52 a.m.

    I think coach Loomis does a pretty good job with the offense but the defense is very inconsistent. Norton and Sellers are struggling from the 3 point line. Worthen plays hard but gets into early foul trouble. Is he related to the byu president?

  • BYU Gamer Pleasant Grove, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 6:49 a.m.

    It's odd to me that BYU coaches think it is offense that is not very good and needs fixing. Other teams look at us and see that we score a lot of points, so they know they have to score a lot of points and usually we see a best effort on their parts. What's lacking is defensive consistency. It doesn't help when two players are giving it everything and other's are standing around. Everyone on the floor should own up, and when they're gassed put someone else in who is ready and eager to go in. I'd like to see more of Bergerson, in fact he and Harding and Zack Seljas should split minutes between them with a defensive mindset. I couldn't believe that Hardnett gets very little time against St Mary's when he saved the day against Pacific. So it looks like coach is trying to figure out their roles and the players are wondering what their roles are. Better get it fixed because fans may be tired of 9 o'clock start time games.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 5:43 a.m.

    BYU has one good player..

    College ball is all about recruiting and BYU will never get the players to be a real force in NCAA b-ball ....

  • Drano USA, 00
    Jan. 6, 2019 9:46 p.m.

    When our offense suffers our defense suffers? Rose, you can not be serious. Between this comment and not playing at home in five games comment post game last nite, you have lost half the BYU fan base. What’s next, the opposing fans in the stands are causing our shooters to miss shots or the pregame took a lot out of players?

    What is apparent to the fan base is this year’s squad lacks key components to be successful: chemistry, mental toughness, desire to win, defensive effort, too much dribbling by one player, hardly no ball movement on offense, no screens, looking for a better shot, playing for each other just to name a few. Who’s responsible for this culture? The coaching staff. Rose, it would behoove you to hire quality assistant coaches with recruiting pipelines outside of Utah and who have different approaches. Hiring former players and a high school coach has been abysmal for the program. When you’ve had quality teams at BYU, you’ve had quality assistant coaches (Dave Rice, Mark Pope, Schroyer).

  • Sick n tired San Clemente, CA
    Jan. 6, 2019 7:54 p.m.

    Hear me on this. Jeff, if you read any of these posts save this one. If Holmoe doesn't address this STAT this is going to be a complete disaster. Rose is awesome and has been excellent at BYU. This program will suffer for much longer if this isn't handled. Not all coaches can motivate for an entire career. Some can some can't. Next year will be worse, that's a fact. So we will see if the backbone of Holmoe is strong enough to save a darn good program over the years, or we sink into the deep depths of mediocrity. Do something, don't let the basketball program fall into what everyone can see, a dumpster fire.

  • BrianB Greencastle, IN
    Jan. 6, 2019 7:48 p.m.

    This is not a great BYU team. That was pretty clear from the beginning of the season. It only has one good big man. It will have to live on the 3-line and instead it is dying there.

    Rose has had a lot of success. He has coached some teams farther than the comparative talent on the floor should have taken them. He has a good track record. This blend of players is not working for whatever reason. Yes, defense is often a matter of coaching and effort, but there is a requisite level of quickness and speed that must be there as well.

    Do they lack the work ethic? Do they lack the quickness? It is up to this team to find out this month how they are going to make this all work. Badgering and calling for a coach's head for this one season seems premature to me.

  • cougarsrock Springville, UT
    Jan. 6, 2019 7:47 p.m.

    Come on now ... does it really matter at this point ?? This should have been happening 2 months ago ! This season is a disaster !

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 6, 2019 6:59 p.m.

    byu is obviously on a precipitous decline, same as what happened last season, only more quickly this season.

    Time to blow up the program & start from scratch, IF continuing on is what their owner envisions.

    Go Utes!

  • Louisiana Cougar Pineville, LA
    Jan. 6, 2019 6:47 p.m.

    Golly, gee whiz!

    Last time I checked, Dave Rose ranked seventh among all NCAA coaches in his won-loss percentage.

    Last time I checked, BYU's two best players (Mika & Bryant) left early for the professional ranks.

    Hmmm. BYU's hoops team is not as good as its best effort season. It has not been able to make it to the big dance in three years but still won 20+ games for 13 straight seasons.

    BYU fans expect a lot! Is Dave Rose perfect? No . . . Is this year's team worse than average? Probably.

    Will we go 1-25? Not at all. The season is not over. This team may be the worst Rose team in a while. . . . but BYU is NOT all about just basketball.


  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    Jan. 6, 2019 6:13 p.m.

    Defense is mainly desire and effort.

    SM's best player (Ford) was checked somewhat in early first half. Cannon was running around denying him the ball. The guy can't drive to the hoop and cause so many problems without the ball.

    Problem is Cannon's early pressure was lost as the game progressed--Cannon either got too tired or subs for Cannon couldn't duplicate his impact and Ford went crazy! Plus you can multiply this point by 5 and this will generally describe BYU's lack of defense.

    Then, the topper was that on MOST SM shots BYU players were standing passively around for rebounds instead actively blocking out and fighting for the ball.

    Rose worries about players' "energy, intensity, and effort" (my paraphrase) while all of that is on the coach. Can't the coaches see the players that take defensive plays off, or the players standing around waiting for missed shots to fall uncontested into their hands?

    Remember: if your opponent doesn't score, you don't have to.

  • chanman South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 6, 2019 6:08 p.m.

    Well at least BYU doesn't play SUU in basketball since they beat Weber St. Maybe BYU could be competitive in the Big Sky conference. Don't see any improvement or changes on the horizon.

  • EPoint Roy, UT
    Jan. 6, 2019 6:08 p.m.

    Seems like basketball is such a struggle for the Cougars, past few years. The team lacks... so much. The game doesn't change, the rules are constant, the distance from endline to endline remains the same as does the height of the basket. I can't find a bright spot.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Jan. 6, 2019 4:43 p.m.

    Not really that many issues. Fire Rose and his staff - every single one of them. Hire someone who can teach defense to the players. Recruit beyond Utah County and LPHS.

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    Jan. 6, 2019 4:23 p.m.

    If Rose can’t turn this around and finish no worse than 3rd in the WCC, with a couple of wins in the NIT, he should hang up his whistle.

  • kfbob Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 6, 2019 3:47 p.m.

    How does Rose assess his team’s defensive effort?

    "It suffers when we are not very good offensively.

    Really... seriously? BYU is averaging 80+ points per game. Perhaps the should start playing defense. Pacific is one of the worst teams in the WCC and they nearly lost because of poor defense.

    That’s the great thing about defense, it is about effort plain and simple. When on the road and the shot is not falling the one consistent thing SHOULD be the defense.