Saint Mary's continues to give BYU fits at McKeon Pavilion in 88-66 victory

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  • poyman , 00
    Jan. 8, 2019 4:45 p.m.

    @johnny

    "The margin of defeat celebrations continue."

    ***

    And will continue as long as the cougs continue to blow the utes away on the hardwood and narrowly miss on the gridiron.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 10:48 a.m.

    Unlike Uta’s recent razor thin wins in football . . . “

    snackWAC:

    The margin of defeat celebrations continue.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 7, 2019 6:24 p.m.

    poyboy: “85% of the Coug wins are by double digits.”

    JohninSLC: “So? Do you plan to claim two wins for that, to offset some forfeited losses?”

    So, Unlike Utah’s recent razor thin wins in football, BYU has dominated U for more than a decade in basketball, including this season.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 2:47 p.m.

    “85% of the Coug wins are by double digits.”

    poyboy:

    So? Do you plan to claim two wins for that, to offset some forfeited losses?

  • ConradGurch Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 7, 2019 11:32 a.m.

    The lack of defensive effort is on Coach Rose. The Cougs are hard to watch!

  • DLAV8R Saratoga Springs, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 10:19 a.m.

    Disappointing effort from BYU for sure, but errrrrr... do people really think an NIT berth is in the cards at this point? They're not that easy to get any more and with a 9-8 record, an RPI of 125 (that's not even top third), and a BPI of 87, that's not in the cards. It will be especially tough to do coming from a mid-major conference with little hope of getting multiple quality wins on the resume at this point. BYU will need to beat Gonzaga and/or San Francisco to realistically put themselves in that category, and probably make it to the WCC finals. Those Weber and Illinois State loses were backbreakers.

  • Robroy Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 9:18 a.m.

    You lost ute fan!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 6, 2019 10:13 p.m.

    byu_realistic - Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 6, 2019 11:24 a.m.
    Our basketball program is so bad that not even Utah fans are grilling us.

    -----

    Why beat a dead horse?

    Utah seems to be improving with young talent. BYU is the same old...

    Yoeli Childs
    SportsCenter Highlight Dunks: 1
    NCAA wins: 0

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 6, 2019 9:52 p.m.

    “Expectations of finishing third or fourth in the mighty WCC conference are right on schedule. Consistency is an admirable trait.”

    Finishing that high would exceed adjusted expectations @ this point, particularly w/their best player, YC, camping out @ the 3 point line.

    Go Utes!

  • beautgma , 00
    Jan. 6, 2019 9:44 p.m.

    Tip-Ins: Childs recorded his 10th double-double this season and 30th of his career. His 30 double-doubles are tied with Steve Trumbo for sixth most in BYU history. … Haws recorded his eighth game this season with three-plus 3s. It is also the 32nd of his career, the eighth most in BYU history.

  • poyman , 00
    Jan. 6, 2019 9:08 p.m.

    @azute

    "byu fans imploding...Unsurprising."

    "We’re improving as the season goes on & byu is regressing, only this season more quickly."

    ******

    LOL. Where else can you find a fan from a rival school who wants to continually trash talk a program (and its fans) that have annihilated your team consistently over the past 11 years... The utes have won a whopping 4 out of 17 games against BYU for a 23.5% win ratio. (That means that the utes win less than 1 out of every 4 games played against the Cougs and 85% of the Coug wins are by double digits.

    The utes conference (the big bad conference of champions) actually have a losing record this year against the WCC. The pac12 is 7-10 against the WCC (a 41% win ratio) and it is quite possible that the WCC (a 10 team mid major league) will get more invites to the Dance this year that big bad pac12 (a P5 league with 12 teams).

    Seems like it would be more appropriate to aim criticisms at your own team and coach rather than aim them at a team and a league that currently owns pac12 in BB.

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    Jan. 6, 2019 8:09 p.m.

    azute1

    “Looks like things are playing out as they did last year—We’re improving as the season goes on & byu is regressing, only this season more quickly”

    yawn

    BYU still owns U.

  • JD Las Vegas, NV
    Jan. 6, 2019 8:03 p.m.

    Expectations of finishing third or fourth in the mighty WCC conference are right on schedule. Consistency is an admirable trait.

  • wallyball SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 6, 2019 7:30 p.m.

    I find it hard to take comments a bout "coach cook" of St. Mary's and Nelson of byu, seriously when neither of them actually exist. I assume they mean Bennett and Nixon.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 6, 2019 7:03 p.m.

    I didn't know that BYU had a Nielsen, a Nelsen and a Nelson on the roster.
    I didn't know that Coach Cook was a coach for St. Mary's. I thought that was Randy Bennett.

    I don't know whey Jahshire Hardnett didn't get to play but only a couple of minutes.

    I do know that McKay Cannon was playing fantastic defense denying Jordan Ford the ball. But, five minutes into the game it was Nick Emery's turn, and the lack of defense on Ford is all Ford needed to start to light up the Cougars.

    Like I've always said, keep Childs in the post where he can't be stopped, and feed the ball to the post every time down the court. Make it an inside, outside game and the results would be greatly improved.

  • Pacoute Payson, UT
    Jan. 6, 2019 6:30 p.m.

    Cougs lack big guys and toughness. Why did Dastrup leave? The Cougs demise has to be their recruiting or coaching and either way the finger is pointing to Rose.

  • CV Storm Hyrum, UT
    Jan. 6, 2019 4:57 p.m.

    As an outsider looking in, I would say the Cougs have some serious motivation issues. They glided by the Aggies, who took this Saint Mary's team to the woodshed, and then the Cougs get smoked by the Gaels. To me that is a motivation issue, which is all on the coach.

  • fireonthemtn Reno, NV
    Jan. 6, 2019 3:37 p.m.

    How are we expected to compete when the refs are against us in a cracker jack gym? Well, at least our facilities are nicer than theirs. Time to revamp the starting lineup... again.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 6, 2019 3:33 p.m.

    byu fans imploding....Unsurprising.

    Looks like things are playing out as they did last year—We’re improving as the season goes on & byu is regressing, only this season more quickly.

    Go Utes!

  • byu_realistic Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 6, 2019 3:26 p.m.

    mdp - Bountiful, UT

    "BYU and the Jazz have some of the same problems, but the Jazz at least try to defend. They both rely on the unreliable 3's too much."

    I will agree to a point; but, the gaping difference is Quinn Snyder vs. Dave Rose. Quinn is fully invested in the Jazz whereas Dave Rose is a shadow of is former self. No one can coach successfully forever. There comes a time when, for one reason or another, a coach loses his motivation and goes through the motions. This is not a slam on his character. Dave is a great man; but, he is done. BYU do something about it!!

  • mnsave Rigby, ID
    Jan. 6, 2019 3:17 p.m.

    WHAT? Not a word about why just year did not play the second half? He and Haws carried us two nights earlier. Signed me up for the “Rose has got to go” bandwagon.

  • PorLibertad Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 6, 2019 2:47 p.m.

    It looked to me like BYU was giving BYU fits against St Marys. It doesn't take a basketball expert to see that BYU's basketball program is in serious decline and has been now for going on 4 years. I think sound minds can agree that at the end of this season some major changes in the team leadership need to be made (barring of course an unlikely miracle). A coaching change should be carefully evaluated from where I sit! I'm sure Yoeli Childs won't hesitate to go pro after this season as he sees the downward trajectory of the program.

  • Sick n tired San Clemente, CA
    Jan. 6, 2019 1:44 p.m.

    Your witnessing the decline with BYU basketball in a major way. Yo along with any other talented player will leave the program for Euro ball wages. Look at the recruiting class signed this year,, it's not good. Rose can't motivate these guys anymore. We have players that would not make Jr college teams but Rose thinks they are the back bone of his program. He has starters that shoot 0 for 6. No blocks. 2 rebounds. It's so obvious there is major issues within this program. It's oozing from each performance. Holmoe has no backbone and will keep Rose on until his contract is finished because he is a nice guy and BYU needs to show love. Winning is not the priority anymore. It's sad. It's embarrassing. Watching your team play like this when they have one of the nicest practice facilities in the nation..... change is past due and hiring within the current staff will make this nightmare even worse.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 6, 2019 1:23 p.m.

    I'll admit it. I was apparently wrong when I questioned BYU fans that would rather watch the run and gun offense of BYU over the "boring" style of Utah. Last night it looked like 3,500 fans were thrilled to watch the BYU -St Mary game. And I think I heard some cheering at the end of the game when BYU would score. It must have been all the BYU fans that helped St. Mary fill their gym but it looked like the were also wearing St. Mary's colors.

    On the other hand, there were over 18,000 cheering wildly (not for Utah) in the Utah vs Arizona game as it went into overtime. I guess they didn't let the "boring" style of Utah's play get in the way of enjoying a great college game.

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    Jan. 6, 2019 1:11 p.m.

    I appreciate Childs returning for another year to improve his NBA prospects, but the advice he was given to increase his range is not working for the team.

    Yoeli has doubled his 3-pt attempts and his % made has dropped from 31% to 27%.

    Why is Rose allowing a player that is so talented in the low post to be launching low percentage shots from deep range?

  • Moon Beam Magna, UT
    Jan. 6, 2019 12:40 p.m.

    I like coach Rose as a person, but I think his coaching is behind the times. Is there an Urban Myers in basketball out there?

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Jan. 6, 2019 12:35 p.m.

    In coaching "if you continue to do what you have always done, you will get the same results you have always gotten". Actually, this adage isn't true in the coaching world, because other coaches figure out what you are doing, and learn how to counter it. BYU has been successful in the past, but unless something changes in Cougar land, the results will continue in decline. As for this team, I can't remember a time when BYU has been so loaded with talent. The problem is in how that talent is used. Personally, I believe that coach Rose is "old school" when it comes to team play, where it is always expected that certain players are the anointed scorers, and the rest of the team are subordinate to the elect. If you follow Gonzaga you will see different players doing the scoring in a variety of ways. Even the Jazz have different leading scorers most of the time.

  • HoboA1 Saratoga Springs, UT
    Jan. 6, 2019 12:10 p.m.

    It is time to shut the whole thing down.

  • Stanton Spokane, WA
    Jan. 6, 2019 11:34 a.m.

    Last night, I watched the first half of the game, fell asleep in the second half, woke up with 5 minutes left, and wasn't surprised at what I'd missed. This is the typical sequence of events for me as I watch BYU basketball. What does this tell you about the state of this team?

    And can someone tell the BYU players that they are likely more open if they shoot from half-court than from the 3-point line every time. They might make more shots out there... (lol).

  • byu_realistic Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 6, 2019 11:24 a.m.

    Our basketball program is so bad that not even Utah fans are grilling us.

    I think our main problem in the program is the AD. Tom Holmoe should go. Once done, send Dave Rose packing. I have nothing but respect for Dave Rose's career and character as a mentor and a coach. He's done an overall fine job. But, this has been a long time coming. He's burned out. Move on!!

  • whatever60 POCATELLO, ID
    Jan. 6, 2019 10:49 a.m.

    In the last five games BYU has given up 92 ppg. How is this possible? It's college basketball. Rose's teams have never been particularly good at defense but this is beyond ridiculous. Coupled with poor shot selection and turnovers this team won't make the NIT. It's time for a change.

  • pacmidmajor Springville, UT
    Jan. 6, 2019 10:31 a.m.

    There is no way that there are more than 2 or 3 players on this years team that are deserving of a D1 basketball Scholarship .... rose has lowered the bar at the Y and it is now Time to raise the bar and terminate the coaching staff as well as send several of the current players packing as well !

  • slackoff green river, WY
    Jan. 6, 2019 10:14 a.m.

    I think the extended contract for rose was in preparation for his buy out. No way he finishes his new contract.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Jan. 6, 2019 10:07 a.m.

    I wonder about the negative impact to team cohesiveness, of allowing Emery back on the team. After all he cheated his teammates and his school by seriously breaking NCAA regulations, and now is back, having been praised by many fans (and Rose) as having reformed. He has, every year playing for byu (thus far), created highly negative public reaction from his puerile acts.

    Fans, how would normal folks react to someone who cheated you and caused serious negative consequences to you, your team, and your school? You know the answer as well as I do. Stay away from those who cheat and have nothing to do with them.

    How long before he blows up on court or gets caught cheating again? Something about a leopard and spots. . .

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    Jan. 6, 2019 10:06 a.m.

    I’ve been a staunch Rose supporter since 2006, but it’s quite clear that he’s just mailing it in.

    It’s time to give Dave his gold watch, thank him for his service, and wish him well in retirement.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 6, 2019 9:24 a.m.

    BYU has already been eliminated from the NCAA tournament and is perilously close to blowing any chance for an NIT berth.

  • cougarsrock Springville, UT
    Jan. 6, 2019 9:20 a.m.

    Coach Cook out coaches Rose yet again .... he consistently makes Rose look like a little league coach ! Can not wait to get this disastrous season over with just to see if Holmoe has the spine to finally send rose out the door .... if you think that this season is bad just wait til next season when child’s is gone ... the tank is empty and the cupboards are bare ... Rose has run this program into mediocrity ! Come on Holmoe buck up and do your job !!

  • forevercougar Orem, UT
    Jan. 6, 2019 9:20 a.m.

    Simply appalling performance by my cougars. No life, no competitive fire, no defense, no coaching, guys throwing up shots that have little chance of going in. All this against a rebuilding team in a Cracker Jack gym. We have a wonderful group of guys but very few leaders-where is the competitive fire? Very sad state of cougar basketball.

  • mdp Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 6, 2019 9:11 a.m.

    BYU and the Jazz have some of the same problems, but the Jazz at least try to defend. They both rely on the unreliable 3's too much.

  • hi-ya Murray, UT
    Jan. 6, 2019 9:05 a.m.

    Next Time Cougs. If things Change. I understand that the WCC does not employ its own referees, but begs and borrows from the other conferences. This begs a few questions: One: How can you ever expect to build continuity in the way games are called with a rag tag group that is thrown together every week. Two: These schools, the WCC, are not your low income type schools, but high income, high tuition schools. Surely, they can afford their own refs and form groups that travel together and have some sense of uniform togetherness in their form of calling fouls??? Inconsistency has been the trade mark of WCC officials. I say inconsistency, but in one sense they have been practiced at, what it appears to many, when it comes to certain schools in favoring their style of play. It has been very hard for schools in not being able to adapt to this inconsistency, where on one side of the court they favor the play of certain teams, but when the opposite team tries to impose the same of playing behavior, somehow, it just is not allows…. like as if… that kind of play is only reserved for certain teams in the league. Unfair? The top dogs in the league are not complaining. Hummm….

  • CowboySky Green River, WY
    Jan. 6, 2019 6:31 a.m.

    Pathetic effort. Brass at Cougarland need to buy Rose out. Period! Can't win without defensive energy and desire. A lot of that is coaching.

  • intrinsicrewards Salem, VA
    Jan. 6, 2019 5:14 a.m.

    Watching BYU get blown out by mediocrity and barely winning against bad on the road is getting more and more difficult year after year in the WCC. Still waiting for that one signature win against Gonzaga to keep hope alive as we head off to the NIT, or maybe not.

  • poyman , 00
    Jan. 6, 2019 1:02 a.m.

    This may be one of the weakest teams to represent BYU in the past 10 years (and maybe longer)... This is also the worst coaching performance that I have ever seen from Dave Rose. It's sad. But then it's consistent with other Holmoe endeavors. It is way past time to replace our AD... Time for the Admin and and the BOTs to get off their hands and start requiring better performance of the Revenue Sports coaches or tell them it's time to call it a career and get some decent replacements.

  • slackoff green river, WY
    Jan. 6, 2019 12:37 a.m.

    Don't really think there is a need for any narrative on the losses, they all read the same.

  • Sick n tired San Clemente, CA
    Jan. 5, 2019 11:49 p.m.

    Flat out embarrassing!! These guys could care less about winning. Disgraceful as a fan

  • blue & white , 00
    Jan. 5, 2019 11:41 p.m.

    Very disappointing play and lack of defensive hustle. Two players should only shoot easy layups, Nielsen and Worthington. Nelsen again misses a 3. Worthington is painful to watch around the basket. Such an awkward motion. If he gets the ball inside then find the open man. Got to play smarter. Where is Dastrup. I can’t believe Nelson and Worthington played ahead of Dastrup last year. A coaching mistake. Lee should see more minutes to prepare for next year. Another head scratcher is why didn’t Hardnett play more. He should start in place of Canon. Hardnett scored 17 Thursday and plays very little today. What is going on.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 5, 2019 11:44 p.m.

    This blowout loss to a weaker than normal St. Marys team should cause the powers that be at BYU to really take a deep look at the status of the coaching for the basketball team. This will be the 4th year in a row that the basketball team very likely will have achieved little on the metrics of college basketball success. It seems unfathomable to this 60 year BYU fan that the school will continue to countenance such a declining program much longer. The minimum standard for this year should be to make the NIT tournament and progress at least to the finals, anything less is unacceptable and even that is a very low bar to set.

    We fans have been patient now for 4 straight dismal years believing that Coach Rose might turn the program around, but he has not done that. In this fan's opinion, it's time to start thinking about a change unless the team can win the WCC tournament next month!