Letter: The shutdown is a travesty

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  • Paul in MD Montgomery Village, MD
    Jan. 10, 2019 12:19 p.m.

    @FrozenFractals - I've heard the argument that the wall is anti-immigrant and racist before. That makes no sense.

    A wall doesn't look at someone before becoming a barrier. It doesn't have the ability to discriminate on any basis. It blocks everyone from going through. It would only be anti-immigrant if it didn't allow for ports of entry, where immigrants with permission can pass through without indignity or harassment.

    A wall simply keeps someone from passing over a line who isn't supposed to. True, the countries south of the border are predominately Hispanic. And it can be argued that Trump is bigoted. Neither of those facts makes a wall racist. The fact that over 300,000 people are caught trying to cross that border illegally each year indicates a problem.

    A wall won't stop them all, and no, it doesn't do anything about people overstaying visas. It is merely one effective measure that should be adopted as part of a complex set of measures to secure our borders and ports, and clean up or immigration system so we can ensure (as much as possible) that people who should be here can be, and people who shouldn't (criminals, etc) can't.

  • Paul in MD Montgomery Village, MD
    Jan. 10, 2019 12:07 p.m.

    @Blue - History has actually shown that walls do work, for good and bad, depending on where and why they are put up. As with any other solution, the outcome is a matter of expectations and implementation.

    Speaking of history, did you know that Presidents Clinton, Bush 43 and Obama all pushed for and funded the building of different sections of the 650 miles of US-Mexico border wall we currently have? Data over the 20 or so years since they started going up has shown that in areas with the walls, immigration and other border problems have dropped up to 90%. Walls work.

  • Paul in MD Montgomery Village, MD
    Jan. 10, 2019 12:02 p.m.

    @Impartial7 - What proof is there that a wall would be ineffective? It depends on what effect is expected. If we expect it to stop all illegal immigration and other border problems, then no, it won't be effective. No one solution would be.

    But if, as the border patrol and homeland security are advocating, we build walls where natural terrain make it very easy to cross the border, it would have the desired effects of dissuading illegal immigration and encouraging immigrants to cross the border where they are intended to cross - at border ports of entry.

    A wall isn't the only solution, and it isn't just Trump's or conservatives' solution either. Presidents Clinton, Bush 43 and Obama all built parts of the 650 miles of currently existing US-Mexico border walls. And they have been shown to be effective in those areas, cutting certain problems by as much as 90%.

  • Paul in MD Montgomery Village, MD
    Jan. 10, 2019 11:59 a.m.

    @patrioticAMERICAN - People who only watch ABC/NBC/CBS will only get one side of the story as well. Almost every news outlet leans one way or the other, even PBS and NPR. There is a lot of "news" that is simply opinion being reported as fact. It's becoming a wild and crazy world out there...

  • ConservativeCommonTater Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 1:58 p.m.

    Rick for Truth - Provo, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 11:22 a.m.
    "The federal workers need to recognize that the liberals in congress do not care about them. When liberals in congress choose to protect US citizens over illegal aliens, and drug cartel criminals then the government shutdown will end. This is not about money, this is about liberals in congress denying President Trump any political achievement and at any cost."

    Well Rick, your comment sounds like you are describing what Republicans did to Obama for 8 years. "One term-president" was the battle cry of Republicans and McConnell as they failed to support a single thing that Obama tried to get done. The Republicans played dirty and now you're complaining that Dems aren't willing to give Republicans a rubber stamp on everything they want to do?

    Remember, Trump said he would build a wall and Mexico would pay for it. What part of that do you not understand?

  • patrioticAMERICAN South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 12:24 a.m.

    @2bits again: "The President can't use his veto till a bill passes and is waiting for his signature. He can warn he will veto, but he can't veto it till it passes. You said he already veto'd one bill. That's factually false."

    Really. I went back and read my post. Couldn't find the word veto in there. Perhaps you have me confused with another commenter. Which makes your post "factually false".

  • Neanderthal , 00
    Jan. 8, 2019 2:39 p.m.

    @Frozen Fractals:
    "The one who started the fight is the one that demanded something different from a continuing resolution."

    A continuing resolution (CD) is merely the continuation of the current level of spending which is used to allow Congress for additional time to put together a detailed budget. That does not mean the CD cannot include other items that either the president or the congress wishes to be funded.

    The reason for the shut down is because the Democrats in congress dislike (actually hate) Trump for steeling the last election from their candidate and they're doing all they can to move toward impeached. They need to grow up and take on the character of mature adults.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Jan. 8, 2019 1:27 p.m.

    To "Frozen Fractals" but pet projects have always been part of the Continuing Resolution process. In 2016 Obama wanted the Continuing Resolution to include funding to combat the Zinka virus around the world, construction at the VA, drug rehab centers, programs to attract businesses, and other pet projects.

    So, to say that requesting the border wall be included in the funding for the federal government is NOT out of the ordinary.

    If Clinton was the POTUS, and the Republicans kept sending bills that were vetoed, I would say get together a veto proof bill or else do what the constitution says and get enough votes to override the veto. If they started the fight, I would say they started the fight.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 12:36 p.m.

    @Redshirt1701
    "It is the Democrats that started the fight. The Republicans were all ready to just give Trump the money, it was the Democrats that started filibustering and now refuse to fund the wall. "

    The one who started the fight is the one that demanded something different from a continuing resolution. That is Trump and his demands for a wall. Just like the Democrats rejected a continuing resolution for a bit a year ago because they wanted DACA reinstated. Democratic opposition to the wall and Republican opposition to reinstating DACA in the previous shutdown do not make them responsible for the respective shutdowns.

    Do you believe that if a President Clinton refused to sign a budget unless it included DACA it'd be the Republicans causing the shutdown if they refused to add that in? I don't think so. You'd say it was Clinton because she'd be trying to add in something extra. That she'd be the one starting the argument. That she'd be the one refusing to separate that into a discussion about immigration reform. That she'd be the one shutting down the government. And you'd be right. Since it'd be just like Trump's shutdown now.

  • Mr. Bean , 00
    Jan. 8, 2019 12:15 p.m.

    @JoeBlow:
    "Who is to blame for the shutdown?"

    Both the president and congress are to blame for the shutdown. The president because he wants money to secure the border and won't sign a bill that does not have the money in it. The Democrats in Congress because they won't appropriate the money for the wall.

    Here's the interesting part... The Democrats who are blocking the funding of the president's wall have insisted, a few years back, that our border with Mexico needed to be secured with some kind of barrier. But we need a wall and not a fence. With a fence, the wires can be snipped with a pair of wire cutters and illegals can just walk through onto US soil... never to leave.

    The real reasons that the Democrats in Congress don't want the wall is (10) they are irate at Trump for beating their presidential candidate in the last election and just can't get over it. And (2) they want immigrants to come to the US (illegally or otherwise) to build their voter base. Illegals are not supposed to be allowed to vote for federal offices. Yet, in sanctuary cities they are voting.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 11:36 a.m.

    "He (Trump) didn't say Mexico would provide payment in advance for the wall."
    What do you think the audience at all his arena shows thought he meant when he asked who's going to pay for it and they all screamed "Mexico"?

    "Trump says he would force Mexico to pay for the wall by threatening to cut off the flow of $24 billion in payments that immigrants send home to that country. Pay the $5 billion to build the wall and the cut off of flow of money will not go into effect."
    Yeah. Trump says. What do you suppose the court says?

    "And he will incentivize businesses who've moved to Mexico, to move back to the US."
    Uh huh. Because somehow they'll be happy to pay for the wall. You entice business back here by, among other means, giving them huge tax relief. Less revenue to pay for things like walls, not more.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Jan. 8, 2019 11:15 a.m.

    To "Lia" what are you talking about???

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 11:14 a.m.

    It would be so easy for Congress to re-open the government, and be the heros.

    Just give the President part of what he requested and move on. Even if you gave him all of what he requested it's less than .0001% of the budget. Fed Gov spends $6.85 million per minute.

    The 2019 budget is $4.407 trillion. If you throw in $5 Billion it wouldn't even appear in that number, it wouldn't even affect the rounding. It would still be $4.407 trillion. It's so minuscule... just give it to him and open the government!

    But no... we can't.

    That would give Trump something he promised. Something Democrats must prevent from happening.. at all costs.

    Why not just give him the security funding that isn't even a thousandth of the budget?

    If a barrier stops a drug smuggler from getting across the border (and all Presidents since Reagan have said we need one)... it's worth it.

    If it doesn't work... you can use that against Trump in the next election.

    Just do it.

    And I agree that McConnell and the Senate are the main problem Fred (same as Harry Reid 2007 to 2015). The HOR has passed a budget that includes the funding requested. But Senate won't vote on it. McConnell's fault.

  • pragmatistferlife Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 10:34 a.m.

    "And these are the same Democrats that gave Obama a trillion dollars for infrastructure which by the way still needs repaired. "

    No they didn't. There was no trillion dollar infrastructure bill passed during the Obama administration. Facts my friend facts.

    The closest there was is the 800 billion dollar stimulus package that had infrastructure in it but also had social programs, and other spending.

    " the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act "initiated more than 13,000 projects through the Federal Highway Administration, improving more than 42,000 miles of road and more than 2,700 bridges." More needs to be done? Of course it does and Trump promised to spend a trillion dollars to do it.

    BTW you would be on the road to Keeping America Great if you spent 1 trillion or 25 billion on infrastructure rather than a useless wall.

  • Lia , 00
    Jan. 8, 2019 10:20 a.m.

    Redshorts---
    The GOP squashed everything Obama tried to do.
    And those were INTELLIGENT things...unlike trump fantasyland ideas.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Jan. 8, 2019 9:56 a.m.

    To "Impartial7" when did Congress pass a budget? They have not passed a budget since 2006. They keep passing continuing resolutions, which are not budgets.

    To "Open Minded Mormon" and what have Democrats done since taking control? Have they passed a budget? Have they proposed any sort of resolution that would fund the government that would be acceptable to the Senate and the POTUS? Right now the Democrats are no better than the GOP.

    To "Frozen Fractals " you are wrong. It is the Democrats that started the fight. The Republicans were all ready to just give Trump the money, it was the Democrats that started filibustering and now refuse to fund the wall. You can't blame Trump for what the Democrats started.

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 9:26 a.m.

    And these are the same Democrats that gave Obama a trillion dollars for infrastructure which by the way still needs repaired.
    We all have fences, we all lock our doors, we all keep the windows shut and locked. Nobody is against immigrants, just do it the right way, like every country in the world demands.

  • pragmatistferlife Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 8:15 a.m.

    "Trump says he would force Mexico to pay for the wall by threatening to cut off the flow of $24 billion in payments that immigrants send home to that country. Pay the $5 billion to build the wall and the cut off of flow of money will not go into effect."

    That's not the promise Trump made to get elected. Go watch the montage on YouTube. This whole money coming from immigrant payments came in the form of the "border wall funding act" in 2017. Well after the campaign.

    In addition it's now been reported that the whole wall idea was concocted as a memory trick to get Trump to talk about immigration. The whole thing is a huge political scam as evidenced by the phony statistics used to support it.

    Fund everything but DHS and then fight over the wall in the context that it belongs.

  • ConservativeCommonTater Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 7:51 a.m.

    barfolomew - Tooele, UT

    This isn't about Pelosi, or Clinton, or Obama, move on if you're going to make an argument.

    Trump has said he'll sign the bill to open the government if it has money in it for the wall. He started at $25B (which the Dem's voted for in 2018), went down to $5B and now will settle for about $2-3B. Pelosi said she won't give a dollar for the wall. "

    Did you notice that you just said Trump came up with a $25 Billion figure that you support, but now both of you are willing to settle for $2-3 Billion. You were happy with Trump overspending by $23 Billion? Typical Republican thinking.

    "So, this is what I'm wondering: If it's so little money ($2-3B is a drop in our bucket), and the wall won't make a difference anyway"

    Since it won't make a difference as you said, why spend the money at all or build a wall that won't make a difference?

    Thanks for supporting the Dems position.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 7:30 a.m.

    @Neanderthal;

    If you believe Trump can get Mexico to pay for the wall after the fact, I have a bridge over the Grand Canyon to sell you.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 8, 2019 7:31 a.m.

    Who is to blame for the shutdown? Well, it obviously depends on who you ask.
    And typically, those answers are situational and not consistent by any means.

    I look at it like this.

    Whoever looks to change the status quo should get the blame for a shutdown. And I am consistent.

    Recent examples.
    - When the GOP looked to invalidate (defund) the ACA which was the law of the land, they would get the blame for the shutdown. See, they wanted to change the status quo.

    -This current shutdown is again, the causing of the GOP. They are looking to change/add funding to something that is not currently status quo. They get the blame.

    Now, this is not about whether or not you agree with "changing the status quo". But, it is about blaming those who DO attempt to change it.

    And, lets not forget that Trump has stated that he was proud to be the person to shut it down this time. And he accepted blame. Well, at least until he didnt.

  • Neanderthal , 00
    Jan. 8, 2019 12:06 a.m.

    @Hutterite:
    "Once or twice he told us Mexico would pay for the wall."

    He (Trump) didn't say Mexico would provide payment in advance for the wall.

    Trump says he would force Mexico to pay for the wall by threatening to cut off the flow of $24 billion in payments that immigrants send home to that country. Pay the $5 billion to build the wall and the cut off of flow of money will not go into effect.

    And he will incentivize businesses who've moved to Mexico, to move back to the US.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 11:41 p.m.

    @barfolomew
    "Trump has said he'll sign the bill to open the government if it has money in it for the wall. He started at $25B (which the Dem's voted for in 2018), went down to $5B and now will settle for about $2-3B. Pelosi said she won't give a dollar for the wall."

    That 25 billion dollar wall which Democrats reluctantly agreed to was part of a proposal where the core feature the Democrats wanted was reinstatement of DACA. Negotiations involve both sides getting something, not just one side getting some of what it wants and the other side getting nothing.

    "So, this is what I'm wondering: If it's so little money ($2-3B is a drop in our bucket), and the wall won't make a difference anyway, then why won't the Dem's just let him have it?"

    It is irresponsible to set a precedent whereby holding federal workers hostage is considered effective strategy. It is illogical to make a "deal" whereby you get absolutely nothing (having a functional gov't should be a non-partisan interest). A wall is a waste of money, a monument to anti-immigrant and racist sentiments, has environmental harms, and is an eminent domain nightmare.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 11:36 p.m.

    @2bits
    "Did you say the same thing when President Obama shutdown the government until Congress would give him funding for HIS priority (The ACA)? It was the exact same situation."

    No, it is not. The fight was not over passing the ACA, the ACA was already law. The fight-picking was over a change in law, specifically Republicans demanding defunding of the ACA. Similarly continuation of Planned Parenthood funding is the status quo but attempting to defund it would be a status change and a fight picked.

    If the current shutdown were a situation where Congress had passed a bill that called for 20 billion for the wall a few months ago but Democrats were now demanding it be defunded, then that would be an equivalent situation to that ACA fight and Democrats would be at fault for the shutdown because they would be the ones picking a fight to change the status quo. But that is not what this is, this is trump wanting to change the status quo by getting money for a wall.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 11:26 p.m.

    @Rick for truth
    "The federal workers need to recognize that the liberals in congress do not care about them."

    Nonsense. The senate passed a continuing resolution with unanimous consent a couple weeks ago but because Trump didn't want to sign it the House didn't vote it. Now McConnell is refusing to hold a vote on the exact same thing that Pelosi just sent them.

    The cause of a shutdown is because someone wanted to interject a fight into the budget. That is Trump with his demand for wall funding. The three day shutdown a year ago was Democrats' fault because they were demanding reinstatement of DACA. Claims that Democrats are causing this one or that Republicans caused the one a year ago are just baseless.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 7, 2019 9:28 p.m.

    2 bits, I agree with you. The shutdown is on McConnell. The House had passed a budget and he won't bring it to the Senate floor for an up or down vote. Not on Trump at this point, this is on McConnell. Can't very well send a budget to the President if the Senate won't participate in the process.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 6:17 p.m.

    @rick truth

    I think you are making arguments that fit your ideology but attacking democrats for doing the same thing. The truth is you do not know if the wall will accomplish what trump says it will.

    However that doesn’t matter. Trump shutdown the government over his wall. Congress is in charge of funding not trump and if they don’t want fund something they don’t have to. Trump should negotiate the wall separately.

  • No One Of Consequence West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 5:11 p.m.

    Out of 330 million Americans these 535 people are the best we can do?

    We have been waiting since 1986 for the promises made by Congress regarding illegal immigration to be realized. I feel bad for those who have delayed paychecks but it's time for things to be taken care of.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 3:25 p.m.

    The notion that Democrats want “open borders” is just jaw-dropping.

    Couple of things:

    The vast majority of illegal immigrants in the US are here because they overstayed their visas.

    The number of illegals in the US is now lower than it’s been for many years.

    Drugs come into the country packaged with other goods being sent here through our ports.

    History makes it clear - walls don’t work. We’ve got a zillion better things to spend money on than this dumb wall idea.

    Shutting down government is causing serious economic harm, and for what? The president’s personal insecurities and fear of FOX News talking heads?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 2:47 p.m.

    @Patriotic
    RE: "You are definitely wrong"...
    ---
    OK. Tell me the Bill ID that passed the HOR and Senate and was veto'd, so I can google it.

    "Presidential Veto Power" is when the President doesn't sign a bill passed by Congress. Google "veto power of us president" to learn how it works.

    McConnell/Senate not passing a bill is NOT a Presidential Veto.

    The President can't use his veto till a bill passes and is waiting for his signature. He can warn he will veto, but he can't veto it till it passes. You said he already veto'd one bill. That's factually false.

    I agree Congress is keeping Trump from using his veto power. But he hasn't used it yet (as you falsely claimed).

    Google "Trump And The Presidential Veto" (AboveTheLaw)...

    They said, "We start this short analysis with the observation that Trump hasn’t vetoed a single bill. He’s the first president since James Garfield to act that way, and Garfield was only in office six and a half months before being shot dead"..

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 2:17 p.m.

    @scrappy do - DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 1:58 p.m.
    It is a travesty that Democrats pick a fight because they like open borders.. "

    I see why you like Trump so much. You both share a blatant disregard for truth.
    Fact is Democrats, nor most Americans want open borders. Fact is they want legal, controlled immigration. Fact is tons of illegals work on farms, construction projects, plants, etc. owned by Republicans. Fact is, Trump's wall would be ineffective. Fact is Trump promised that no US taxpayer dollars were to be used for his wall-Mexico will pay for it. Trump's inability to keep his word is what is causing the shutdown.

  • stevan madrigal Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 2:04 p.m.

    RE: Rick
    "No, well that is the policy and action of the Democrat party, to force us to accept everyone and pay for everything who wants in. " -
    I 'm not sure where you get your reference of the immigration policies of Democrats - Fox news or talk radio but I would suggest a quick perusal of objective news sources.
    Further discussion without having facts as a basis of making an argument is only whining.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 1:58 p.m.

    It is a travesty that Democrats pick a fight because they like open borders.. Trump can shut down everything for the next 2 years as far as I am concerned

  • Confused Sandy, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 1:48 p.m.

    patrioticAMERICAN - South Jordan, UT

    @2 bits: "Pass a budget and he will be under pressure to sign it. The pressure's on Congress until they pass it.

    hmmmm.... You are definitely wrong here... McConnell said he would not send up the same bill that the House and Senate voted on previously because Trump veto'd it again. McConnell warned Pelosi not to do it, but she went that way anyways. Why waste the effort if you already know the results? McConnell is not really worried about Trump looking weak, but he realizes the futility of sending a budget up that does not have money for the wall in it.

    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. So I believe Congress controlled by both parties have demonstrated this concept many times over the past two decades.

  • barfolomew Tooele, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 1:35 p.m.

    OK, so the Dem's claim to be about helping Americans. They're yelling about how the shutdown is hurting Americans. They also tell us that the reason that they won't fund the "wall" is because, "walls don't work" (although Pelosi, Schumer, Clinton and Obama all have walls and/or fences around their homes). They claim walls will do nothing to stop illegals, drugs, human trafficking, etc.

    Trump has said he'll sign the bill to open the government if it has money in it for the wall. He started at $25B (which the Dem's voted for in 2018), went down to $5B and now will settle for about $2-3B. Pelosi said she won't give a dollar for the wall.

    So, this is what I'm wondering: If it's so little money ($2-3B is a drop in our bucket), and the wall won't make a difference anyway, then why won't the Dem's just let him have it? Won't that "help" Americans by putting them back to work? I mean, what the heck? If a wall is useless either way and reopening the gov't will help those Americans, then why not give it to him?

    Fact is, they hate Donald Trump more than they care about any of us and refuse to let him have any success even at the expense of you and me.

  • patrioticAMERICAN South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 1:23 p.m.

    @2 bits: "Pass a budget and he will be under pressure to sign it. The pressure's on Congress until they pass it. Then the pressure passes to the President and he has to explain why he signed it or didn't sign it into law. So far they haven't given him a budget to sign."

    Wrong! McConnel(& the GOP) hasn't given him a bill to sign because he doesn't want the Pres. to look weak. The Dem-controlled House passed a budget--the same one that the Senate already passed at the end of last year, & which the GOP-controlled House refused to take up because Trump went back on his word & threw a hisssy fit, following thru on part of a threat to force a gov't shutdown (not on his promise to "own it" himself & to *not* blame Dems!).

    This shutdown, which started when Repubs had control of all 3 branches of govt, is solely owned by Trump & Repubs, & no matter how much they try to deflect the blame to the Dems, those people that are hurting because of it will remember that when it comes time to vote in 2020.

    People whose only newsource is Fox News & conservative talk radio will never get the full facts of any situation, just the propaganda peddled by the WH. Try watching PBS Newshour once in awhile.

  • Rick for Truth Provo, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 1:20 p.m.

    RE: Steve
    Do you have a fence? Lock your doors? Is your property open to anyone who chooses to move in and stay? Do you invite everyone who want to stay in your home unlimited visitation, comfort, food, and money for all of their desires? No, well that is the policy and action of the Democrat party, to force us to accept everyone and pay for everything who wants in. Sorry but I cannot and will not support this policy.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 12:49 p.m.

    @Impartial7
    RE: "Congress had a budget, that Trump agreed to sign"...
    ---
    Until a budget passes in the House and the Senate the President can't sign it.

    Pass a budget and he will be under pressure to sign it.

    The pressure's on Congress until they pass it. Then the pressure passes to the President and he has to explain why he signed it or didn't sign it into law.

    So far they haven't given him a budget to sign.

    President Reagan turned down budgets that didn't have the spending cuts he requested. Democrats unwilling to give him even half of the spending cuts he requested shutdown the government 4 times when Reagan was President.

    This didn't start with Trump, or Obama.

    Google "Government shutdowns in the United States - Wikipedia"...

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 12:37 p.m.

    @Open Minded Mormon
    RE: "Ralph is wrongly trying spin and blame this on the Democrats in the new 116th Congress"...
    ---
    Wrong.

    Ralph didn't blame one side. Read the letter. And he never mentioned the 116th Congress. You are the one blaming only one side, or one session of Congress, not him.

    ===

    RE: "Trump is using this nation as like a hostage in a stand-off"...
    ---
    Did you say the same thing when President Obama shutdown the government until Congress would give him funding for HIS priority (The ACA)? It was the exact same situation. So if you didn't say it then...

    ===

    RE: "Dealing with truth & reality - no spin"...
    ---
    Oh Boy... you could really use some of your own advice.

    ===

    Most of the 116th Congress was part of the 115th Congress that failed to send a single budget bill to the President to sign. So they still own it, along with the President, and need to fix it. By giving him a budget bill to sign.

    He can't sign a bill to fund the government if you don't pass one!

    Pass one and put the pressure on him to sign it.

    Put a little funding for Border Security in that budget and I'll bet he will sign it.

  • Anti-Trump Everett, WA
    Jan. 7, 2019 12:14 p.m.

    Rick for Truth - Provo, UT
    ...and following Trump?
    LOL!

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, WA
    Jan. 7, 2019 12:04 p.m.

    Ralph is wrongly trying spin and blame this on the Democrats in the new 116th Congress --

    1. The Shutdown happened on the GOP watch in the 115th Congress.

    2. Trump owns it, solely, by, in and of himself:
    Sec. 11, 2018 ~
    “I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck (Schumer),” Trump declared. “So I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I won’t blame you for it.”

    This is Donald Trump's Shutdown
    Trump is using this nation as like a hostage in a stand-off.

    Dealing with truth & reality - no spin.

  • stevan madrigal Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 11:55 a.m.

    RE: Rick
    You are correct on one point - This is not about money.
    And this effort to build a wall is not about stopping illegal immigrants, nor drugs nor any other boogeyman you want to come up with - it is about one person's fever dream of a campaign promise - "Build a wall, Mexico will pay for it".
    This is just the latest in a long line of distractions and deflections from a cornered individual.
    Emergency powers?
    What's next Marshall law?

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 11:54 a.m.

    Congress had a budget, that Trump agreed to sign. Then he went back to watching TV and heard FOX, Rush and Ann that he was backing down from building a wall (no mention of backing off his promise that Mexico was paying). Then he changed is mind. He went on major networks and claimed the shutdown was his . In fact he was "Proud to own the shutdown". Now, that people are outraged, and rightly so, Trump and the GOP are claiming it's the Democrats fault. And, many of Trump's gullible supporters believe it.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 11:25 a.m.

    Amidst the phony statistics you hear from the trumpaganda team (especially yesterday) there is a recurring mantra. Trump, America's 'friend of the workin' man', is willing to let this go on for months or years. He's no friend of those who work for him. Mind you, there's probably a lot of people in Atlantic City who feel the same way.
    He's not suffering. He's never been one of us. Never. It can only be a short period of time now that federal employees are going to have to start leaving in droves to find other work. It'll be a huge blow to our public institutions.
    Once or twice he told us Mexico would pay for the wall. Before Christmas, they said he'd sign a spending bill and that 'they had other ways to get the money' for the wall. Then, state TV told him to hold us hostage for the wall instead. And, here we are.
    It's a travesty, for sure. But it could well get worse. It's clear the next strategy is to cook up an 'emergency' situation that the wall will fix, and once you've established an emergency, who knows what else you can do with it?

  • Rick for Truth Provo, UT
    Jan. 7, 2019 11:22 a.m.

    The federal workers need to recognize that the liberals in congress do not care about them. When liberals in congress choose to protect US citizens over illegal aliens, and drug cartel criminals then the government shutdown will end. This is not about money, this is about liberals in congress denying President Trump any political achievement and at any cost. If you look at the security measures of Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, and the DNC, all include armed security guards and a Fence or Wall. Yep, the very thing they are intentionally denying America, they themselves use everyday.