Letter: We need leaders, not walls

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  • Flipphone Sandy, UT
    Jan. 3, 2019 10:30 a.m.

    Have you not noticed that the wealthy liberals all have security walls and fencing and gates to protect them? has well as harmed body guards?

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Jan. 2, 2019 10:54 a.m.

    To "Margaret Ann Udy" but the wall in Germany was meant to keep people in. The wall on the southern border is meant to keep people out.

    If you constantly had people trampling through your yard, destroying property, or extorting you for money what would you do? Would you build a fence or a wall to keep people out? Or would you put out the welcome mat and keep paying to cover the damage that trespassers do?

    To "Steve C. Warren" how would the wall be a failure? See "Homeland Security secretary: Border walls work. Yuma sector proves it." in USA Today. See also "This town is proof that Trump’s wall can work" in NY Post. Also "Hungary Builds a Wall, Cuts Illegal Immigration by Over 99 Per Cent" in Breitbart.

    Apparently fences and walls work.

  • Miss Piggie Springville, UT
    Jan. 1, 2019 11:51 a.m.

    @Oh Really?:
    "Where was the outcry against a barrier on our southern border when Clinton and Obama were advocating it?"

    The Democrats (Pelosi, Schumer, et. al.) are not necessarily against a wall. What they're against is President Donald Trump. They hate him because he beat their candidate, Hillary Clinton who was supposed to win the White House, and they can't seem to get over it.

  • wrz Springville, UT
    Jan. 1, 2019 11:45 a.m.

    @Flipphone:
    "Russia erected the Berlin wall to Keep Germans from leaving East Germany not to protect a country from illegal invaders."

    OK. But why did Barack Hussein Obama build a wall around his residence? Ans: To keep invaders out.

  • Flipphone Sandy, UT
    Jan. 1, 2019 8:37 a.m.

    Russia erected the Berlin wall to Keep Germans from leaving East Germany not to protect a country from illegal invaders.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Dec. 31, 2018 2:28 p.m.

    @cougalum
    "they built a wall around all 8+ acres"

    Did the Obamas initially claim their neighbors would pay for the wall on their property before sticking US taxpayers with the cost?

    Did the Obamas block access to water rights along hundreds of miles of river with their wall?

    Did the Obamas seize the private property of hundreds of US citizens through eminent domain to build their wall?

    Did the Obamas block migration routes and foul the watershed when constructing their wall?

    Did the Obamas create a legal quagmire with the wall on their property?

    Trump's ridiculous wall would do all these things without making the slightest impact to illegal immigration.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Dec. 31, 2018 2:12 p.m.

    @zabilde
    "It's to stop or at least hinder the thousands that seek to just walk across our border every month."

    The number of illegals in the country has remained steady at around 11 million for the past decade (per ICE data).

    If there were 'thousands' just walking across the border every month, the number of illegals in country would increase year over year. It hasn't.

    That means either we're already stopping as many illegals as there are crossing, or we're already deporting an equal amount...without Trump's wall. There is zero other explanation where the math works. Period.

    The $5 billion for the wall that Trump is throwing a fit about is 40% of the annual CBP budget. A budget that supports 50k employees, all facilities and all equipment.

    There is no justification to spend an additional 40% on 'solution' to a non-problem.

  • wrz Springville, UT
    Dec. 31, 2018 2:05 p.m.

    What Congress needs to do is to repeal the 'asylum' law. That law is what brings the immigrant caravans to our borders. Soon we're gonna have the entire world at our borders seeking asylum... turning the US into a 3rd world nation.

    People who wanna come to the US and become citizens should do it the right way... fill out the necessary papers and get in line.

    And another thing, the US Executive Department (i.e., the US President) should start enforcing Harboring Illegals (8USC1324) and E-Verify laws. This would help reduce the illegal immigration problem.

  • The Real Maverick Spanish Fork, UT
    Dec. 31, 2018 1:20 p.m.

    The great leader said Mexico was gonna pay for it. Remember? So why are we having this debate?

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 31, 2018 10:25 a.m.

    The Berlin wall was built to prevent citizens of a communist country from escaping (aka "the Russians")
    The border wall is to prevent illegal entry (not legal) into a sovereign country

    Those who cannot tell, or refuse to see the difference merely denigrate their own intellectual status and expose their own intolerance

  • Flipphone Sandy, UT
    Dec. 31, 2018 9:59 a.m.

    Please explain how do you keep illegal invaders out of the country?

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    Dec. 31, 2018 8:53 a.m.

    "Where was the outcry against a barrier on our southern border when Clinton and Obama were advocating it?"

    No one was talking about building a contiguous wall from California to Texas.... big difference. I used to go as a college guy to Baja every summer.... there have been segments of wall across that region for decades. The "wall" is nothing new.

    During these times no administration was talking of building a new "Big and Beautiful" Berlin style wall across the country. No administration, Republican or Democrat, described latino immigrants in general terms as rapists and murders.

    Unfortunately "The Wall" has become to symbolize something much more than a barrier between two countries - and largely it is that mindset that is being debated..... with all the racial baggage being dragged along in the discussion.

  • Freiheit Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 31, 2018 6:30 a.m.

    The Berlin Wall had another name: Schandemauer, Wall of Shame. It was a failure. Should we repeat the error?

  • Zabilde Riverdale, UT
    Dec. 31, 2018 3:20 a.m.

    Sorry Margaret, you really didn't pay much attention as a young girl. The Wall in germany was built to keep unwilling citizens of the communists nations of the eastern block trapped inside their brutal dictatorships. It was built to keep the subjects of communisim from fleeing to the far better capitalist west. Also it deviced East and West Berlin and was part of the border between East and West Germany. The Russian Border was a few hundred miles to the east.

    The wall on the border is to allow us to control (not stop entirely) immigration into this nation. It's not to keep us in the nation. It's to stop or at least hinder the thousands that seek to just walk across our border every month. Even just slowing this flow will save us far more than the cost of the wall in healthcare and welfare costs for these illegal immigrants. Slowing the flow on the border will free up ICE agents to go after the other major source of illegal immigrants, those who stay beyond their VISA expiration.

    Every nation in the world has borders. Nations that don't protect their borders against uncontrolled floods will soon fail. Is that what you want, our nation to fail?

  • Cougalum St. George, UT
    Dec. 31, 2018 12:29 a.m.

    News Flash: After President and Ms Obama left office and bought their home in Washington DC they built a wall around all 8+ acres. Is this the act of bad people or 2 of the leaders you want? Remember Obama, Clinton and Carter built and/or maintained wall sections along our southern border. Here’s those pesky facts again. Obamas know that walls work.

  • Cougalum St. George, UT
    Dec. 31, 2018 12:13 a.m.

    I agree that the Berlin Wall was built by dictators. It was an evil wall that was brought down by Germans wanting to abolish communism and be reunited with other Germans with some assistance from a great man, Ronald Reagan. The relevant fact is that while it stood it was effective. Also, let’s be honest. The overwhelming majority of those trying to sneak into the US are not valid asylum seekers but are just seeking higher incomes. Even the Democratic leadership acknowledges this when they aren’t peddling demogagary. Those seeking entrance should not cut in line in front of the immigrants waiting legally. The law requires asylum seekers to apply for entrance into the US from the first country they enter after leaving their own country. Thus Guatemalans must stay in Mexico and apply there, not break into the US with rocks and bricks. The facts remain that walls work and many walls are good and are built by good people. You don’t hear anyone giving a speech outside of these walls like Reagan’s “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall.” That’s because the walls I listed are positive goods. In 170+ years no one has yelled “Brigham, tear down this wall” in downtown SLC.

  • Monsieur le prof Sandy, UT
    Dec. 30, 2018 11:38 p.m.

    Some comments make me think that our history teachers have failed their students. The letter is sweet, but has no basis in fact nor reason. The wall in Berlin was built by a Communist government to keep their hapless citizens from escaping and they were willing to kill those who tried. They didn't want anyone to know how terrible it was behind the Iron Curtain No one in the West was trying to get into East Germany.
    Democrat leaders espoused the wall years ago, but never carried through on their promises. At last, we have a strong president who wants to follow the will of the people.

  • patrioticAMERICAN South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 30, 2018 11:04 p.m.

    I doubt Trump actually wants the Dems to give him the wall money he is fighting so adamantly about. What could he then use to rile up his base with? What would he use to excoriate the Dems about? What would he have to campaign about in 2020, since most of his actual policies are failures. I myself knew that when Trump declared in front of television cameras that he would be "proud to own" the shutdown and that he would NOT blame the Dems, that it was a lie, because he never takes responsibility for *anything* negative--his finger is always pointing at anyone but himself.

  • Oh Really? Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 30, 2018 9:53 p.m.

    Where was the outcry against a barrier on our southern border when Clinton and Obama were advocating it?

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Dec. 30, 2018 9:39 p.m.

    Excellent letter, Margaret.

    The wall you speak of that divided Berlin was indeed built by dictators. Like that wall, a wall built along our southwest border would be a colossal monument to failure. It would offer mute testimony to the bitterness of these who authorized it.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    Dec. 30, 2018 6:44 p.m.

    Cougalum...... there is a HUGE difference between a wall/fence around a military base, and trying to wall of a country. A wall or fence to keep prisoners in is a far cry different than a wall to keep asylum seekers out.

    Then there is the narrative that the wall is to save us from drug smugglers. And yet per the DEA 95% of all drugs that make it into the US come either from sea or by air. A wall doesn't keep drugs from being dropped over the boarder by a civil aviation aircraft.

    I have no issue if Republicans want to spend money on a monument to keeping latin Americans out of our country. But that also needs to be married up with real immigration reform. The two should be tied together. The wall is a 5 billion dollar bandaid that will do almost nothing to solve the real problem.

    We need lest grandstanding, and more real solutions. Either that or the wall needs to be accompanied with a ban of all ships and flights from our southern neighbors, else it will be completely ineffective.

  • SamiAntha Murray, UT
    Dec. 30, 2018 6:29 p.m.

    This difference between the wall Pres. Trump wants and the one the writer talks about is Pres. Trump's wall is to keep people OUT, the other was to keep people IN. Big difference.

  • Cougalum St. George, UT
    Dec. 30, 2018 11:25 a.m.

    Margaret, I am sure you are a very good person. Here are a few facts to consider: you failed to see the wall around the Army base where you lived in safety. That wall, built by the US military, was built by very good people to whom you owe your freedom. The wall you speak of was in Germany and not bordering Russia. Good people have built walls throughout time, examples: walls around every military base, the White House, every temple, Old Jerusalem, Cove Fort, most governor’s state houses, Buckingham Palace, Israel’s border wall, not to mention every US prison. Are the builders of these walls bad people? All of these walls are very good and built by very good people. And why were they built? Because they work. And that is why leaders of both political parties advocated for them until Trump was elected. We need those same leaders to be honest and support the wall as they have in the past and reform immigration while they are at it.

  • SAS Sandy, UT
    Dec. 30, 2018 10:50 a.m.

    "The wall between Russia and Germany"?

    I appreciate the sentiment of this letter, and how the political landscape of Europe must have looked to a young child. But honestly, does the author own an atlas?

  • one old man MSC, UT
    Dec. 30, 2018 8:13 a.m.

    Good letter. Good thoughts.

    And very, very true.

    Thank you.

    Unfortunately, the Russians have found a great way to confuse enough Americans that they are unable to see the wisdom of your letter.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Dec. 30, 2018 7:26 a.m.

    Thank you Margaret Ann Udy, for stating, so simply, such a beautiful and truthful message. Clearly, a leader is what is currently lacking in our nation today.