Unrepentant,When it comes to belief systems, why does anyone have to
prove their position? Or, if one is challenged to prove their own beliefs, why
would the other not be challenged to prove their belief system, or lack of
belief.It is interesting that one group is required to prove
nothing, in your opinion, but others must do so?
Logic 101You do not have to prove a negative. It is not up to
naysayers to prove there is not deity. It is up to those who do so.And besides.
Thomas Jefferson,I am basing my thoughts and beliefs on
scripture--the testimony of prophets. I choose to believe their words, which
brings understanding and peace. I don't mean to sound prideful or know of
God's plan or His ways beyond what prophets have taught.It is a
choice. It is agency. I'm sorry if I offended you in any way, which was
never my intention. I could be completely wrong on God and religion and faith.
But if wrong, I feel the Judeo-Christian values that have served as the
foundation for our nation for centuries is what gives us our strength. If we
depart from that, we fail as a nation. I am quite confident of that. We are
already stumbling and slipping due to secular ideas that are taking hold in our
nation.If I am right....You asked what proof I have of
God's existence? All of creation testifies of God. Move your finger--was
that evolution? A primordial soup evolved into mankind? And now we have
feelings, intelligence, agency, rational thought, fine motor skills, and the
miracle of life? This concept of a Big Bank (chaos) turning into an organized
system devoid of God is quite impossible.What proof have you that
God does not exist?
David said:"God has all power and all knowledge."You should start with the existence before you tell me about 'his'
power and knowledge. Prove that first."And to remain God, He
must also adhere to Divine, Eternal law."What do you base this
on?"One law is that if agency."??? "He
must allow the agency of others, even if exercising that agency is counter to
His wisdom and commandments. Even if that agency hurts others if His
children."Why? And how do you know that?"We
cannot understand all of God’s ways."But you were just
telling me his 'ways'. "In our mortal,
“fallen” state, we are to learn if Him, and follow His
counsel."I never hear god speak. Dont you mean the council of
those who tell us that they speak for 'him'? "Though
we cannot understand all things, including the seeming injustices that abound
all around us, if we have faith in a God, we will have peace, because He has
promised that every tear will be dried, every sorrow will be lifted. The day of
a perfect balance of mercy and justice will arrive. The lofty and proud will be
debased, and the humble and meek lifted."Thanks. There is
nothing so humble as someone who 'knows' what 'god' wants.
Hutterite,I wish I could reference the author and book of the
following idea. Since I cannot, I’ll share it with a challenge to anyone
interested to research the following in their own:God has all power
and all knowledge. And to remain God, He must also adhere to Divine, Eternal
law. One law is that if agency. He must allow the agency of others, even if
exercising that agency is counter to His wisdom and commandments. Even if that
agency hurts others if His children.We cannot understand all of
God’s ways. In our mortal, “fallen” state, we are to learn if
Him, and follow His counsel. Though we cannot understand all things, including
the seeming injustices that abound all around us, if we have faith in a God, we
will have peace, because He has promised that every tear will be dried, every
sorrow will be lifted. The day of a perfect balance of mercy and justice will
arrive. The lofty and proud will be debased, and the humble and meek lifted.
"Some people prayers would change God. Those who know God, pray that he may
change them to become more like him and his son, Jesus Christ."However, at the same time, "The powers of the world are utterly incapable
of frustrating the plans of an omniscient and loving God. ". The
script is written. Alea Jacta Est, the dice has been cast. God's plan for
you, this being the case, is in place and your destiny pre ordained. The powers
of the world are incapable of changing it, we're told. If God, then, wants
to change you to become more like him and his son, Jesus Christ, that too you
have to accept is either already part of the plan or you're asking him to
change the plan. In your favour. Even though such a request is incapable of
frustrating gods' plans. I can't say that I know god does
or doesn't exist. I don't believe I can know one way or the other.
Regardless, I've certainly had more than a little cause to wonder about god
and his plan when I see the actions carried out by those that do claim to know.
In any case, Merry Christmas.
Mike Richards says: "Those who know God..."--
Are fooling themselves.
Hutterite,Some people prayers would change God. Those who know God, pray
that he may change them to become more like him and his son, Jesus Christ.Longfellow got it right in the 4th verse (even though his son had been
severely wounded when a bullet narrowly missed his spine):4. Then
pealed the bells more loud and deep:“God is not dead, nor doth he
sleep;The wrong shall fail, the right prevail,With peace on earth,
good will to men.”Christ's gift to us was himself, his
life, his atonement, his endless love. What gift are we willing to give him?
All that he asks from us is a broken heart and a contrite spirit.
"The powers of the world are utterly incapable of frustrating the plans of
an omniscient and loving God. "Then why do we constantly beseech this
same god to suspend or modify this plan in our favour, and call it prayer? In
this vision, at best we are players on the stage, and the script written.
@Thomas Thompson - Here's one for you:THE WISEby Brother
Antoninus Miles across the turbulent kingdomThey came for
itbut that was nothing That was the Least. Drunk with
visionrain stringing the ragged beardswhen a beast Lamed they caught
anotherand goaded west. For the time was on them. Once
as it may in the Life of a man; Once as it was in the Life of mankindAll is corrected. And the years of pursuitRaw-eyed reading
the wrong textsCharting the doubtful calculationsThose nights
knotted with thoughtWhen dawn held offand the rooster Rattled
the leaves with his blind assertion.All that they regarded under the
SignNo longer as search but as preparation. For when the mark was
made they saw it. Nor stopped to reckon the fallible yearsBut
rejoiced and followedAnd are called wise who learned that TruthWhen
sought and at last seenIs never found. It is given. And
they brought their camels Breakneck into that villageand flung
themselves down in the dung and dirt of that placeand kissed that
groundand the tears ran on the face where the rain had.
God is indescribable is overwhelming all unimportant the Great I Am. That is
God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit is all one. When ya see that His world is all
planned from the start. Jesus had returned 40 years after he died an destroyed
the Temple an all their genealogy. No one knows what tribe Israel they are or
if they are a Jew. We all have an expiration date. That is when you will see
Jesus again. If you can accept Jesus. Religions come an go but Jesus is the rock
an nothing can change that. We all have a come to Jesus moment when you bypass
or accept Him. Jesus is not a idle like some statue of a building but a real
supernatural force that is life and freedom an love. But by the Grace (gift) of
God go I. I can't make up my mistakes or prove I'm good. That is faith
in Him the Great I Am.
Thanks for making an effort to express your own thoughts on Christmas rather
than just rerunning "Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus."
Unfortunately, the powers of the world can destroy many individual lives. The
saviors mission was to convince all to take advantage of his atonement and
overcome their individual sins / weaknesses. May all of us take advantage of
this greatest of gifts.
Many thanks for this -- despite my reservations about Longfellow as a poet.
It's difficult to write about these ultimate issues, but this editorial
gets it exactly right. For a slightly different view, readers may wish to look
up T. S. Eliot's fine poem, "The Journey of the Magi."
I love your article and opinion this day on Christmas Day. I am exercising my
right to shout out "Merry Christmas" to all. In our day, as well as in
Longfellow's, hate is strong, and mocks the song of Peace on Earth, Good
Will Toward Men. Peace on Earth will finally come when Jesus Christ comes to
Earth again. In the meantime personal peace that comes from within can be ours
as we are willing to to spread good will to everyone within our circles of
influence, striving to do as the Savior did. We aren't individually
perfect but if our desires and our hearts are pointed in the right direction,
the right will prevail.