Hamblin & Peterson: William Hamblin and Daniel Peterson: Christianity in India

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  • CMTM , 00
    Jan. 1, 2019 2:05 p.m.

    @NoNamesAccepted. C.S. Lewis, “ A man begets a child, but he only makes a statue. God begets Christ but He only makes men. But by saying that, I have illustrated only one point about God, namely, that what God the Father begets is God, something of the same kind as Himself. In that way it is like a human father begetting a human son.

    E.g…, “only begotten,” The Greek word(monogenÉs G.3439) was used of an only child a son [Luke 7:12 or a daughter [Luke 8:42]). It was also used of something unique (only one of its kind) the word means “one-of-a-kind” and is used for Jesus John 3:16 NIV. NET) “For God so loved the world that he gave his ‘one and only Son’…”While all Christians are children of God Jesus is God’s Son in a unique, one-of-a-kind sense.

    @Heraclitus, The unique miracle of the Virgin birth. "The Holy Spirit(pneuma) will come on you, and the power of the Most High will *overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God(Luke 1:35 NIV,NET…)

    who shall be *overshadowed and conceive by the power of the ‘Holy Ghost(pneuma)’, and bring forth a son, yea, even the Son of God. Alma 7:10.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Dec. 29, 2018 12:00 p.m.

    @Heraclitus: "Most don’t understand this obsession among western Christians to make Jesus unique. .. We could learn a lot from Indians. They are much closer to the true teachings of God than we in the West."

    As C.S. Lewis so eloquently explains, Jesus, Himself, removed from the honest and informed and option to consider Him just another great teacher. "I am the way...no man cometh unto the Father but by me." And his conversation with Peter, "Whom say ye that I am?...Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God...flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven."

    Jesus is either who He says He is, the Christ, the Messiah, the Only Begotten of the Father....or he is either a liar or a madman. There is no middle ground.

    Alternatively, I suppose these days some folks would pick and choose which accounts of Jesus to accept as accurate vs which to discount as being fabricated after the fact. They try to accept Jesus taught what they like and didn't teach anything they dislike. But seems to me it is pretty tough to separate Biblical teachings of Jesus on any basis other than personal bias.

    Some want a convenient, easy God. But God is who He is.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Dec. 27, 2018 9:50 a.m.

    Most conversions to Islam in India were not at the point of the sword but from the missionary activities of Sufi preachers. A better estimate of the number of Muslims in the Indian subcontinent is 500 million.

    Jesus is the lone and unique way to Salvation. Christianity has clearly been in a growth phase in India for the last century or more.

  • Heraclitus Prescott, AZ
    Dec. 27, 2018 8:29 a.m.

    @John Pack Lambert of Michigan – “Considering the hige sway of Islam in India with over 200 million followers”

    This is simply because Islam converted people at the point of a sword. And once that first generation is converted the children follow willingly.

    Regarding your other point, missionaries have long been frustrated with Indians due to their tendency (after they convert) to place pictures of Jesus right next to all their revered gurus. You see Indians tend to see Jesus as simply another teacher of enlightenment (God realization).

    Most don’t understand this obsession among western Christians to make Jesus unique. To an Indian that notion is practically blasphemous since we are all sons (and daughters) of God on the path to realizing this fact.

    We could learn a lot from Indians. They are much closer to the true teachings of God than we in the West.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Dec. 27, 2018 12:26 a.m.

    I came across an article on Pentecostal Christians in India that but their number in 2000 at over 33 million. Due to Pentecostalism being the fastest growing religious tradition in the world there are possibly many more Pentecostals in India today.

    Only about a third of Catholics in India are Thomasite Catholics. There are also many Thomasites who have remained in Oriental Orthodox Churches.

    I had a friend in high school who was an immigrant from India and a very vocal Evangelical Protestant.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Dec. 27, 2018 12:06 a.m.

    This overview of Christianity in India manages to ignore that in the eastern states of Manipur and Nagalqnd well over 90% of the population is Christian.

    Considering the hige sway of Islam in India with over 200 million followers the reasons given by another commentor as to why Jesus Christ is not widely accepted as Saviour, Redeemer and God in India fail.

    Christianity has grown by every measure in India since the end of the British Raj. It is way bigger in India than Buddhism which is almost non-existant there.

    India became as Christian as it is todaynot because of Brithish policies to convert Indians but more in defiance of British policies to not change India's religious composition

    Lastly I have to point out that the percentage of India's Christians who are Catholic has more to do with missionary outreach by the Catholic Church and the incorporation of mixed race children of Portuguese men into the Catholic community than with the incorporation of the Thomasians.

  • Heraclitus Prescott, AZ
    Dec. 26, 2018 8:38 a.m.

    There’s a reason there are so few Christians on the subcontinent, despite direct evangelization by an Apostle of Jesus and centuries of missionary work.

    It’s simple really – Indians had seen men like Jesus long before he was born (and since then too) and rather than turning them into gods (let alone THE God) they followed them as enlightened teachers.

    Had Jesus been born on India he would have been one of many revered gurus teaching others to realize the Kingdom of God within. Instead, being born in primitive Palestine Jesus was worshiped as something unique and Christianity became a religion, not about the teachings of Jesus, but about Jesus himself.

  • hbeckett Colfax, CA
    Dec. 23, 2018 6:45 p.m.

    thank you for the details and history knowledge is always informing