Letter: Trump's claims are overblown

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  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 22, 2018 12:12 p.m.

    @Flipphone
    "I haven't heard one Democrat explain why a boarder wall to help secure America from illegal invaders is a bad thing other than they despise President Trump."

    It's ineffective, a waste of money, a monument to racism and anti-immigrant sentiment, most Americans in polling don't want it,. and why in the world should Democrats give Trump a wall in exchange for nothing?

  • Flipphone Sandy, UT
    Dec. 22, 2018 8:31 a.m.

    I haven't heard one Democrat explain why a boarder wall to help secure America from illegal invaders is a bad thing other than they despise President Trump.

  • one old man MSC, UT
    Dec. 21, 2018 3:45 p.m.

    Overblown?

    Or simply absurd . . . ?

  • NewsFlash Kearns, UT
    Dec. 21, 2018 2:35 p.m.

    JoeBlow - "Can you point me to where any Clinton suggested a border wall from sea to shining sea?"

    Actually Yes, 1985, President Clinton last SOTU speeches he mentions building the wall along the southern boarder.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Dec. 21, 2018 11:47 a.m.

    "They state multiple times that building the improved border walls in some areas has helped a lot to secure the borders."

    Yup. makes sense. In Some areas. Not the complete southern border.

    in 2006, you are referring to the Secure Fence act of 2006. Hardly the same as the wall being proposed today.

    In some areas, even a wall may make sense. What Trump is proposing is not that.
    You are trying to conflate an apple with an orange to make your point. It doesnt work

  • RedShirtUofU Andoria, UT
    Dec. 21, 2018 11:21 a.m.

    To "JoeBlow" that was in 1995 when the Democrats voted to build a wall across the southern border. They voted again to do that in 2006. However, each time they eventually cut funding for it.

    To "Dart Thrower" See "Border wall built in 1990s cut illegal immigration, but it also brought problems for small town" in the LA Times. They state multiple times that building the improved border walls in some areas has helped a lot to secure the borders.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Dec. 21, 2018 10:35 a.m.

    This is just a plain silly argument: that Democrats are the ones shutting government because they won't give Trump his billions for a wall (and PS how are we paying for that anyway?). Trump has majorities, and he is supposed to be such a great deal maker anyway. How silly is this claim that Democrats are at fault.

    The Democrats made a good faith offer to partially fund his wall. Trump got over a billion last year to do his wall, and has spent pennies of that. He wants more now, and Democrats favored a compromise spending amount of around 1 1/2 billion to add to the unspent money. However, with Trump you have an alpha male trying to bully everyone to his whimsical ways. Even some Republicans won't vote for his darned wall. And don't forget two things: he said he would own the shut down of the government in plain English on national TV and he had agreed to the compromise till he got shamed by the likes of arch-arch conservative Ann Coulter. The man can not be trusted and who wants to deal with that anyway?

  • Dart Thrower Ogden, UT
    Dec. 21, 2018 10:30 a.m.

    To Redshirt. The Berlin wall was a heavily guarded fence through a neighborhood, the great wall of China and the Maginot Line were border walls and neither worked. I stand by my assessment. Border walls don't work and this would be a huge waste of money.

    And to pivot to your other comment. Trump and the Republicans had two years to fund a border wall with utter and total control of the government, but now it is the Democrat's fault? Wow, that is quite an ascertain.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Dec. 21, 2018 10:25 a.m.

    "To "JoeBlow" isn't it the Democrats that are shutting down the government since they won't vote for any spending that includes the border wall that they promised us under Clinton?"

    Can you point me to where any Clinton suggested a border wall from sea to shining sea?
    Clinton

    I can support a wall where it makes sense.

    You want to blame the Dems for not giving money for Trumps wall when he said over and over and over that Mexico would pay for it.

    And rest assured, $5 billion is a small down payment. The wall would cost many many times that.

    How about the GOP raise taxes to fund the wall? Instead of putting on our debt. Lets see how THAT would go over.

    Nice deflection

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Dec. 21, 2018 10:24 a.m.

    If the self proclaimed, bestest deal maker can pull this off in the Senate we all may have to reconsider our perception of the President.

  • RedShirtUofU Andoria, UT
    Dec. 21, 2018 9:23 a.m.

    To "Dart Thrower" the Berlin wall worked effectively. The fence around the White House seems to work quite well.

    To "JoeBlow" isn't it the Democrats that are shutting down the government since they won't vote for any spending that includes the border wall that they promised us under Clinton?

  • Stormy Daniels Brigham City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2018 9:21 a.m.

    I suppose if you believed Mexico would pay for the wall you'll believe anything.

  • Dart Thrower Ogden, UT
    Dec. 21, 2018 8:51 a.m.

    The great wall of China didn't hold back the hordes. The Maginot Line didn't keep the Germans out of France and a wall won't stop illegal immigration. At the risk of sounding like a gun rights advocate, we have enough laws on immigration, let's just enforce them and make sure we have the resources to rationalize the flow of foreigners in and out of our country. The wall is yet another one of Trump's distractions.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Dec. 21, 2018 8:33 a.m.

    No wall until Mexico's check clears the bank. Mr. Trump gave his word to us.

  • pragmatistferlife Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2018 8:23 a.m.

    Maybe righties we should get rid of drones for the military, electronic sighting systems, electronic listening systems, and most of all, all guided missles, and just beef up the horse cavalry again. It's the same strategy as building a wall for border security rather than using technology.

    Want to mitigate the problem staff up the border justice system so an asylum seeker is processed in a couple of days and more than likely sent on their way home. That's how the right message gets out. As is, Trump has gutted the system and forced the separation of families and created an opportunity to sneak in the country.

    Trumps policies couldn't be more wrong for someone who wants safe boarders.

  • ConservativeCommonTater Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2018 7:47 a.m.

    "Why should we reward a deceitful exit strategy by substituting taxpayer funding?"

    We shouldn't!

    So Raymund, why do you want to reward deceitful entrance strategies to our country by the people from Mexico and further south?

    We shouldn't!

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Dec. 21, 2018 7:49 a.m.

    So, most likely Trump will shut down the government over funding for the wall.

    You know the wall. The one that Mexico was gonna pay for. Now, its the taxpayers who will foot the bill. And rest assured, it will cost a hefty amount. Certainly multiples of the $5 billion he is asking for now.

    Ask yourselves (and be honest with your answer). Do you sincerely feel that building a hugely expensive wall is the best solution?. I think most agree that we need increased border security.

    But a big Wall?

    What an ego based mess this would be. There are certainly more effective and less costly options.

    And I think that even your average Trump supporter knows that.

  • Zabilde Riverdale, UT
    Dec. 21, 2018 7:27 a.m.

    The author seems unable to separate the campaign promise of a Wall, from one suggested route that was never really serious. But if we control illegal immigration, we cut the billions spent on welfare services for the same illegal immigrants each year. We spend well over $100 Billion on these services, cut the number of illegals in this country by even 5% and we've more than paid for the wall. Cut the illegal numbers in half (unlikely we'll ever totally eliminate the problem but we can reduce it) and we've paid for the wall 10 times over.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Dec. 21, 2018 7:10 a.m.

    Trump says he's a billionaire, let him fund the wall.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Dec. 21, 2018 6:08 a.m.

    Of course they are overblown, that's what Donald does, reality has no place in his decisions.

    He is now holding the country hostage over a political stunt.

    It's time to seriously look at the 25th amendment, before America is harmed even more.

    This right nationalist leader, chosen by the GOP/Cons as a tool for those permanent tax cuts and judges, it's obvious, but the time has come to quit playing games with our nation.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Dec. 21, 2018 5:20 a.m.

    Makes sense. So our Conservative brothers and sisters are going to go bananas over such a suggestion.

    Some things can't change.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Dec. 21, 2018 5:15 a.m.

    The open-borders crowd loves to duck behind a "compassion" blind to deflect any serious discussion of their real motives. Truth is, however, they have but one aim -- political power.

    Their ever-harder-to-conceal radical leftism is destroying their quickly vanishing domestic base of support. They're determined to replenish it with desperate people they can buy off by selling out our Nation and its principles for a mess of political pottage, notwithstanding the fact they know it'll destroy us.

    It's beyond sad.

  • No One Of Consequence West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 21, 2018 12:10 a.m.

    I assume the writer leaves his doors unlocked and welcomes all into his home with no invitation required?

    "Mexico won't pay," Trump's opposition repeatedly says. Currently we have millions of people living illegally in our country, many from Mexico. Many of those people send money back to families in Mexico. If we reduce the number of people working here illegally, the remittances go down. Mexico pays.

    The decision to require people who have been aided by Mexico in arriving at our border to wait on the Mexican side until their asylum requests are processed puts a burden on Mexico. Mexico pays.

    They say we need people to fill jobs, but there seems to be a preference for maintaining a pool of undocumented workers to hold down wages. If they are needed, let them come legally and be treated like everyone else who has a right to live and work in the U.S. That is compassion.