Judge's rebuke of Flynn upends sentencing, prolongs case

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  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Dec. 19, 2018 10:11 p.m.

    Here is the fallout from this. Except for the poor and ignorant, no one will willingly subject themselves to questioning by the FBI, especially when they say it is routine and no lawyer is necessary.

    Flynn and the rest of us could learn a lot from Comey’s recent testimony to the Republican-controlled Congress recently where he answered “ I don't know/recall/remember” over 200 times.

    Comey’s FBI and the Flynn Case have done more to obstruct future justice in America than all of Trump’s people combined.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Dec. 19, 2018 7:53 p.m.

    Ironic that the same folks who are supposedly worried about Justice Kavanough's "judicial demeanor" after a decade of exemplary service on the DC federal appeals court are suddenly silent on the issue of such demeanor when it comes to this case.

    Flynn confessed and plead guilty. He deserves jail time. Is there any reason a fair and impartial judge, exhibiting appropriate judicial demeanor should have simply imposed the sentence at the scheduled hearing and been done with it?

    It is common and appropriate for judges to explain their sentences choices by telling the convict how serious his crimes are. But it is not appropriate to cross the line into berating the man.

    Furthermore, having accepting the plea deal, the crimes are what he plead to. Period. If the judge actually thinks we are anywhere near treason, he has an ethical responsibility to reject the plea deal rather than let a traitor off with such a comparatively light conviction.

    No conspiraries needed. Demonstrated conduct reported in the media. This judge has shown he lacks proper judicial demeanor and decorum on the bench.

  • wgirl Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 19, 2018 4:51 p.m.

    @2 bitts

    There are different kinds of plea bargains. Flynn did not sign a plea bargain that locked in his sentence. He knew all along that Mueller could recommend a lighter sentence, based on his cooperation, but that the decision would be up to the Judge.

    Mueller recommended no jail time.

    The judge - who you claim had political bias - was appointed by Ronald Regan and George W. Bush. He saw all the evidence, without redactions, and was "disgusted" by Flynn's crimes against our country. If he were biased, it would be against a Democrat...but both Flynn and Mueller are Republicans, so how would that work??

    He was doing Flynn a big favor by delaying the sentencing. It gives Flynn the chance to cooperate more with the Special Council, perhaps lessening his sentence. Flynn was given the choice between delaying or going ahead with the sentencing. Flynn and his lawyers took the Judge up on his offer to delay. Mueller didn't have anything to do with it - he did his part in recommending a light sentence.

    It is sad to see that the scheme to undermine our system of Justice is working. That belief in the rule of law is weakening. People are being conned and manipulated.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 19, 2018 3:35 p.m.

    So... the Judge is going back on what Muller promised if Flynn would cooperate with his investigation... IF the judge is not keeping their part of the agreement... Can Flynn take back his cooperation and info he gave the Muller investigators now?

    Sounds to me like the Judge was letting his emotions and his political leanings get the best of him (he had to walk back his emotional outbursts several times). Judges are supposed to be above letting emotions take over.

    If Muller made a deal with Flynn... and Flynn held up his part of the agreement... The judge kinda needs to respect it, even if he doesn't like the deal Muller made with Flynn.

    I think Flynn should go to jail if the crimes committed call for that. But not if they're trying to get Trump through him, or punish him for Trump's sins.

    I think he's mostly getting yelled at because he was affiliated with Trump. If he had nothing to do with Trump Muller probably wouldn't have questioned him, or prosecuted him. Nobody would know who Flynn was if he had nothing to do with Trump (and did the same things)

    I don't know all his sins, but they seem to be amplified if you can use them to get Trump.

  • wgirl Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 19, 2018 2:15 p.m.

    @banliberals

    I never said that anyone who lies should be arrested. It is a crime to lie to the FBI - not a crime to lie to the American people. It is a crime to serve as the National Security Adviser while you are also secretly acting as an agent to a foreign country. Flynn knew that.

    You make a lot of accusations about Obama and Clinton.

    The Benghazi investigation lasted 4 years! Republicans tried their hardest to pin something on Clinton. There were 0 indictments.

    Republicans have spent 2 years investigating Clinton's email and can't find anything to indict her for.

    If Trump wants to investigate Obama for spying on him, or tricking congress, or saying it is easy to buy a handgun, O.K.

    Let's examine that evidence. Perhaps it will show that there were legal FISA warrants, or that there 188 Republican amendments to the ACA.

    Republicans did everything they could stop Obama, they moaned for a week because he wore a tan suit. Don't you think that if Obama had payed off porn stars during his campaign, or if he was making nice with Putin to get a multi-million dollar business deal through in Russia during his campaign that the Republicans wouldn't have jumped on that?

  • banliberals Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 19, 2018 1:37 p.m.

    @wgirl - Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 19, 2018 12:09 p.m.
    @at long last: "Blackmail works for the Mueller probe."
    @Thid: "What crime was it that Flynn REALLY committed?"

    Flynn lied to the FBI. He lied to the American people. How is any of this o.k.?

    I wholeheartedly agree!

    Anyone who lies should be behind bars......and I mean ANYONE!

    There is no spying on Americans....Obama

    It was a video....Hilary

    90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States......shortly after this statement his administration sent guns to mexico that were used to kill 150 mexicans and one US Border Patrol hero....Obama

    I know some neighborhoods where it’s easier for you to buy a handgun and clips than it is for you to buy a fresh vegetable......Obama

    If you like your doctor, you'll be able to keep your doctor; if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan.....Obama

    ObamaCare legislation was carefully crafted to con Congress and the public. As said by its intellectual godfather, economist Jonathan Gruber.

    Arrest them and lock them up!! Now! And place them before this judge to say Mr Obama and Mrs. Clinton?....... you sold out your country!

  • wgirl Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 19, 2018 12:09 p.m.

    @at long last: "Blackmail works for the Mueller probe."
    @Thid: "What crime was it that Flynn REALLY committed?"

    Flynn lied to the FBI. He was working as an unregistered Foreign Agent while serving as National Security Adviser to the President. He lied to the VP. He lied to the American people. How is any of this o.k.?

    It is not blackmail to hold people accountable for their crimes. If that were the case, bank robbers could say claim the police didn't tell them it wasn't o.k. to hold a gun to a teller's head and demand money. And that the police "blackmailed" him when they showed him the video.

    Flynn was telling people about his work in Turkey. Our American intelligence agencies are not stupid. He knew there was an investigation into Russian meddling going on, and that he was talking to Russian officials. He knew conversations with Russians were being recorded. He plead guilty because he was guilty - and because there were tapes of his discussions with Russians.

    We are a sovereign nation. We are a nation of law and order. Why all the fuss about protecting our borders if the people in charge of them have no regard for the law? If they think they are above the law?

  • Unreconstructed Reb BE, 00
    Dec. 19, 2018 10:59 a.m.

    "It was not reported on fake news, of course, but later this judge apologized to General Flynn"

    Yeah, first it *was* reported on the "fake" news. If the fake news really did report on the news that you say it didn't, does that make it "real" news? A bit of a philosophical question, I suppose.

    Second, the judge didn't take back the vast majority of his 8-minute long dressing down of Flynn, shaming him for lack of judgment and the dishonor he's brought to his entire career and the US flag, and dismantling the right wing talking points of the past week that Flynn was ambushed and mistreated. Instead the judge stunned both the prosecution and the defense by coming within a hair's breath of a jail sentence before allowing Flynn some extra time to continue cooperation with the mere hope that he won't be sentenced to jail in three months.

    And I think a critical thing to bear in mind is that the judge has seen the redacted portions of the sentencing memos, information the rest of us don't have access to. He knows things about Flynn's conduct that we don't, and his brutal reprimand should be viewed in that light.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Dec. 19, 2018 10:18 a.m.

    @ Thid Barker

    "...but later this judge apologized to General Flynn for suggesting Flynn was a traitor, a foreign agent..."

    He did walk back his "treason" remarks and the prosecution said from the get-go, "No, we don't believe what he did qualifies." But Flynn WAS a foreign agent. Undeclared for a time, but at all times that he was paid by Turkey, a foreign agent. (Definition: anyone who actively carries out the interests of a foreign country while located in another host country.)

  • Lia , 00
    Dec. 19, 2018 10:15 a.m.

    The GOP as it is today, will dissolve soon.
    Thank goodness.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Dec. 19, 2018 9:48 a.m.

    Another one of those "liberal, activist judges", out to get Trump and tear down America. Who appointed him- Jimmy Carter? Oh wait....it was Ronald Reagan, then H.G.W. Bush.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Dec. 19, 2018 9:28 a.m.

    It was not reported on fake news, of course, but later this judge apologized to General Flynn for suggesting Flynn was a traitor, a foreign agent, and other miss-characterizations! What crime was it that Flynn REALLY committed? That's what the judge needs more time to decide appropriate sentencing. If half the Obama administration was prosecuted for lying this judge would be busy sentencing them for months! Double standard of justice in America: one for President Trump and NONE for Democrats!

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 19, 2018 8:26 a.m.

    And now the poor Trump believers need to incorporate into their conspiracy thinking a whole new bizarro fact, pushed by Lou Dobbs on Fox News: that the judge who rebuked Michael Flynn for selling out his country, sounds like he's working for Mueller's "witch hunt".
    My brain hurts thinking of all the mental contortions that Trump believers have to go through just to believe that Trump was sent to us by God, to do his work here in America.
    It's simple: Flynn put political party and profit over love of country. He broke the law and got busted.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Dec. 19, 2018 8:17 a.m.

    This judge is way off the rails. Accusing Flynn of treason without any cause, and without any hint of this from the prosecution. Where did he come up with that? I know he later apologized and said he was wrong, but what is that sort of comment from a judge who is supposed to be fair and impartial? Obvious bias on the judge's part.

    Flynn won't withdraw his guilty plea, as it was necessary for the Mueller people to not go after Flynn's son on serious charges related to Turkey. Blackmail works for the Mueller probe.

  • Lia , 00
    Dec. 19, 2018 8:10 a.m.

    Good. He can twist in the wind for 90 days-
    Well done, judge!

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 19, 2018 7:32 a.m.

    Negated the lame excuse from Whitehouse.