Utah ski area wants parking problems addressed before any deal on conservation

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  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 19, 2018 11:31 a.m.

    @NEAD

    "If Alta wants to increase parking so badly, why don't they build a garage? I'm with Save Our Canyons--no more pavement than currently exists, no matter how much money the ski resort owners stand to make."

    I agree - going up - not out - is a good compromise - particularly since run off water in a parking structure is more easily contained and limits spread of oil particles etc. into drinking water. It also eliminates the need to plow massive surface lots and provides a relatively dry place to organize your ski equipment before entering/exiting your car. I would love to see the footprint of parking at all the resorts reduced and replaced with compact structures.

    However; why does Save Our Canyons oppose building a lift in Grizzly Gulch so people staying at Alta can ski to Little Cottonwood without driving their car all the way around the canyon. People in Park City should be able to ski over Guardsman Pass to access the Cottonwoods without the 80 mile 2 plus hour (round trip) contribution to bad air quality. That kind of obstructionism does NOT save anyone's canyon. It merely aggravates existing problems.

  • NEAD SLC, UT
    Dec. 19, 2018 10:13 a.m.

    If Alta wants to increase parking so badly, why don't they build a garage? I'm with Save Our Canyons--no more pavement than currently exists, no matter how much money the ski resort owners stand to make.

  • IcemanCometh SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 18, 2018 8:19 p.m.

    The parking mess at the top of the canyons is a making of the ski resorts. They have only themselves to blame. They continue to pack more and people on to the slopes to the point it is walk to wall skiers. The resorts could have implemented their own transportation system. At their own expense. But they want to socialize the costs and privatize the profits.

    That said, there needs to be a large transportation hub where people can park and catch a bus, A bus that runs every 15 minutes at peak times. The current plan to have a transportation hub at the gravel pit at the mouth of BCC is too far off. Take half of the Old Mill Golf Course and make it transportation hub.

  • Red Smith American Fork, UT
    Dec. 18, 2018 6:12 p.m.

    80,000 acres without roads, grazing, timber harvesting, drinking water and fire hydrants is dangerous to life, wildlife, and property.

    The 2018 California wildfires proves that Central Wasatch Commission's NRCA - National Recreation and Conservation Area is dangerous.

    Plus, this Becker/McAdams NRCA legislation ban ski resort expansion forever. What's the point of hundreds of million in mass transit to tiny resorts like Brighton with 1,050 acres.

    Our ski resorts need to triple in size not frozen in the past creating ski resort monopolies pricing local off their ski slopes.

    The NRCA will also create building development monopolies at ski resort base camps.

    If Veil buys Snowbird, why should we tied the hands of Veil to expand to provide more ski product? NRCA is bad policy.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 18, 2018 5:26 p.m.

    stevo123
    " NO one wants to ride lifts all day to get there, (and back) the bus will work for the PC areas as well "

    Really? Every time i ski, i ride lifts all day long - between each run as i move across the resort and back. EVERYONE who alpine skis takes lifts all day long - its a big part of the gig.

    PC and SL County are not in the same bus service area - and its still the same issue of spending hours driving around the mountain when you can literally see Brighton from the top of Park City resort - you just can't ski there and get back
    Install a couple of lifts - problem solved

    Why is it that Save Our Canyons can "compromise" by locking more land up in wilderness (where i will never be able to go) but it is somehow problematic to parallel guardsman pass (an area that is already disturbed) with lift service - cutting travel and drive times

  • goodnight-goodluck Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 18, 2018 4:45 p.m.

    End roadside parking via parking tickets at $100.00 a pop one unpaid the car is booted. Build park and ride lots on the mouth of both canyons and run buses. If that means less skiers well. the ones that went up early will be happy....

  • stevo123 Driggs, ID
    Dec. 18, 2018 4:41 p.m.

    SMcloud&drski: To take the bus we will need parking at the bottom. @ Counter intelligence: NO one wants to ride lifts all day to get there, (and back) the bus will work for the PC areas as well

  • SMcloud Sandy, UT
    Dec. 18, 2018 4:21 p.m.

    The solution is there: Ride the bus!

    It is simply not possible for everyone to drive up the canyon. I know it's more convenient but there are some real physical limitations to widening the roads and adding more parking.

  • drski Eden, UT
    Dec. 18, 2018 3:54 p.m.

    people need to ride the bus!!!

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 18, 2018 3:33 p.m.

    I was a big supporter of the Mountain Accord and the Central Wasatch Commission - till i started reading the fine print.

    The One Wasatch concept (unlike ski link) would have connected all of the Park City and Cottonwood resorts with minimal lifts and ski-able terrain. Canyons to Snowbird without the car and minimal environmental impact.

    ironically environmentalists fought against that because apparently they like Park City people driving all the way around the mountain to park at Snowbird.
    With the bigger irony being that the Park City - Canyons portion of One Wasatch is already connected - Alta's refusal to participate in the charade leaves the Little/Big connection open to happen - the ONLY thing environmental extremists have stopped is the Brighton - Park City connection - the linchpin whose absence makes all the parking and driving more necessary

    Once again environmental fundamentalism makes things worse

    build One Wasatch so people can ski there - not drive there

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 18, 2018 2:55 p.m.

    I'm curious as to why more folks aren't riding public transit to the ski resorts??

    Do they not come often enough?
    Are they too crowded when they do run? I did a quick check at UTA's website and it looks like they go to Alta and Brighton about every half hour.

    I mostly do snowmobiling now, but I'm genuinely curious why people don't ride the bus.

    Maybe the ski resorts should charge for parking??

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 18, 2018 2:45 p.m.

    What we (OK fine, I) really need is fewer skiers.