White House digs in on border wall demand, risking shutdown

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  • JBs Logan, UT
    Dec. 20, 2018 12:26 p.m.

    "Someday Trump will be gone and all their dreams will come true."

    That really will be a dream come true.

  • my_two_cents_worth university place, WA
    Dec. 17, 2018 9:20 p.m.

    @search diligently

    “Why aren't you and other liberals using logic yourselves? And why don't you listen to all the news, not just selective bits? Trump is not going to shut down Homeland Security.”

    Um, yes he is. These are the agencies whose funding expires at midnight on front. Note which agency heads the list:

    Homeland Security
    Transportation
    Commerce
    Interior
    Agriculture
    Housing and Urban Development
    Justice

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Dec. 17, 2018 8:41 p.m.

    @ Vermonter

    "But, it seems they are offering funding for border solutions that don’t solve the problem."

    I don't see how a wall prevents people fleeing abject poverty and violence from presenting themselves at border crossings and asking for asylum. This is what is being sold as an "invasion" or a "crisis."

  • my_two_cents_worth university place, WA
    Dec. 17, 2018 6:03 p.m.

    @Thid Barker

    "Wonderful to see a President do what he promised!"

    Except he hasn't. He promised that Mexico would pay for his wall. How'd that go?

  • jeclar2006 Oceanside, CA
    Dec. 17, 2018 3:45 p.m.

    jsf - Centerville, UT
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    Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and scores of other Democrats, including Schumer, voted for the construction of at least a double-layered wall on the southern border with Mexico in 2006,...
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    If you are talking about the 2006 "Secure Fence Act", just the word 'fence' should suggest a different characteristic. Furthermore, the Act was for 700 miles of fence and other types of barriers, as well as support for agents and monitoring means.

    The 'fence' has been put into place and extended in areas that had no such barrier at the time.

    The border is about 2000 miles long and uninhabited along significant lengths of the border. A Wall would be ineffective without attendant agents monitoring the Wall, as even with the current barriers, those wishing to move high value materials, aka drugs, have found effective ways to move across the border, and will prove no more of a barrier for what ever Wall Trump has in mind.

    As a matter of fact, other than the word, and perhaps a few prototypes, there's no clear indication what Trump would have for a Wall.

    A more effective policy is to improve the economy in Mexico and points south to provide opportunities.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Dec. 17, 2018 3:12 p.m.

    "I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in," Clinton told an audience at a campaign stop Nov. 9, 2015.

    At a New Hampshire event in November, she was asked what she thought about. Clinton's answer was: "Well, look. I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in.”

    Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and scores of other Democrats, including Schumer, voted for the construction of at least a double-layered wall on the southern border with Mexico in 2006,

    Sometimes you have to listen to what your candidate is really saying.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Dec. 17, 2018 2:24 p.m.

    jjjdsd,
    "Obama, Hillary Clinton and Schumer wanted the wall."
    ____________________
    Any one of the three of those alone would make a sensational headline and the topic of endless panel discussions on cable news. I must have been out of town and away from any news outlets when the breaking news ran. Would you be so thoughtful as to refresh my memory by citing the sources and dates?

  • search diligently Lehi, UT
    Dec. 17, 2018 2:01 p.m.

    @mcclark - Salt Lake City, UT

    You say "So let me get this straight, to secure the border Trump is going to shut down Homeland Security. Sounds like Trump "logic" to me."

    Why aren't you and other liberals using logic yourselves? And why don't you listen to all the news, not just selective bits? Trump is not going to shut down Homeland Security. If you paid any attention to the news you would know his plans are to shut down some of the federal government. He is more rational than the liberal left who won't consider the importance of the wall... not only for national security but also from a financial sense. It costs as much to pay for the illegals each and every year as the $5 billion he is asking for in a wall.

  • wgirl Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2018 1:53 p.m.

    Trump has had the House of Representatives and the Senate for two years. One would think that he would have got his precious border wall by now...even if Mexico refused to pay for it.

    Trump can't get the votes. Period. He tried to get it funded last year - remember the wall for DACA deal?

    This is nothing more than a spoiled toddler throwing one last tantrum to see if he can get his parents to cave and give him the box of cookies he wants.

    So much for conservatives being fiscally conservative! Pelosi and Schumer and the party they lead are the adults in the room.

  • jjjdsd Centerville, UT
    Dec. 17, 2018 1:38 p.m.

    Obama, Hillary Clinton and Schumer wanted the wall. When they found out it would rob them of illegal votes they went against it. Sounds like politicians to me. Want to really save money on drug and illegal criminals? Use a little bit of Pb in small doses.

    Close the border and close the government.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Dec. 17, 2018 1:35 p.m.

    The only moral leadership for America is for bipartisan Democrats and Republicans to provide by standing firm at the risk of a potentially catastrophic shutdown. If they buckle under Trump’s bullying threats, they reduce themselves to timid enablers at best, ignoble cohorts at worst. To demonstrate any fitness to lead, they must find the steel to draw the line and hold it.

  • peabody Steamboat Springs, CO
    Dec. 17, 2018 1:26 p.m.

    Trump is demanding money to build "his" wall for one reason to appease his "base". Didn't he promise that Mexico would pay ? Then that Mexico would pay us back. Now it's just the United state will pay for "his" wall period.

  • banliberals Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 17, 2018 12:56 p.m.

    if obama can give $150 Billion to our greatest enemies the Iranians to use for killing American Soldiers? Then Schumer and Pelosi can give Trump $5Billion to prevent terrorists and criminals from invading our border!

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Dec. 17, 2018 12:56 p.m.

    Trump’s shutdown is going to hurt a lot of people. Maybe the vets who still support him will finally have their eyes opened about Trump. One can only hope.

  • jeclar2006 Oceanside, CA
    Dec. 17, 2018 12:46 p.m.

    Thid Barker - Victor, ID
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    Border security is one of the reasons President Trump was elected! Wonderful to see a President do what he promised! As far as shutting down the government, Gideon Tucker said, ".’ No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session. That is especially true when Democrats are in power!
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    The irony of the call for Border Security is that when one looks at the red/blue counties that are on the border, many, if not most are Blue Country. The Red Country often is in locations where the daily interaction with border crossers, legal or not, is nonexistent.

    For those that do live on the border, we are looking for far different solutions than a wall, or militarization, especially if we have families that span the border.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Dec. 17, 2018 12:10 p.m.

    If there is a shutdown, Trump is the owner of it. He forced this issue on a nation for which a wall is the wrong image for America to want to project to the civilized world. Behind the scenes he wins applause in Moscow and Damascus but not among nations that look to America as a powerful moral force in the world.

  • jeclar2006 Oceanside, CA
    Dec. 17, 2018 12:04 p.m.

    taking a stand for truth - Lehi, UT
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    I don't want to see a shutdown but if that is what it takes to properly secure the southern border, I say "Do it!" Enough is enough!
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    There are many places along the border where there are wells, or other types of barriers. This has secured these areas to the point where those wanting to cross, are pushed out into desert regions, and the results are like the recent death of 7 year old child. There are many more deaths that don't make the news.

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    Obama, Hillary Clinton and Schumer all wanted the wall ten years ago.
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    The Secure Border Initiative(SBI) showed that there would be far greater cost to implement a 'total surveillance' border, using a combination of technology and manpower.

    Furthermore, the really dangerous stuff, such as drugs or terrorists, can afford to 'jump' a border wall with ease, using either drones, or very light aircraft. The drug smugglers have developed mobile ramps to allow other vehicles to cross the walls that do exist.

    How about a plan to improve the economies of Latin America, and thereby encourage those from there to stay 'home', instead of a wall, or a trade war with China.

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2018 11:49 a.m.

    So let me get this straight, to secure the border Trump is going to shut down Homeland Security. Sounds like Trump "logic" to me.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 17, 2018 11:11 a.m.

    Why on earth would the U.S. and Texas ever agree to giving up the nearly 1,000 miles of the Rio Grande? The loss of that river in perpetuity would be impossible to calculate.

    Let's be honest here, all trump wants to do is build a wall for a couple dozen miles ($5B isn't going to come close to building a wall on the entire border) so he can brag about building a wall. What will be the point of building a partial wall? It is pointless, much like all of his other claims.

    And finally: he needs to make good on his promise about who's going to pay for it. Once trump gets Mexico write a check for the wall, he can start building it.

  • taking a stand for truth Lehi, UT
    Dec. 17, 2018 11:05 a.m.

    I don't want to see a shutdown but if that is what it takes to properly secure the southern border, I say "Do it!" Enough is enough!

    Obama, Hillary Clinton and Schumer all wanted the wall ten years ago. Why don't they now? Only to spite Trump. We spend more on the illegals that come in every year than it would cost to build the wall.

    Secure the border. Build that wall.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Dec. 17, 2018 10:55 a.m.

    Why is this even a discussion?

    Politicians were elected to protect our country and they've done a poor job of it.

    California has been largely taken over and the rest of our country is right behind.

    We have politicians wanting open borders. Some want to dissolve Canada, United States, and Mexico to form one country.

    Someday Trump will be gone and all their dreams will come true.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Dec. 17, 2018 10:54 a.m.

    The government shutdown... the biggest nothing burger in the world

    Nothing important gets shut down... everybody gets their back pay (a nice paid vacation)

    Fund the wall... the open borders libs have no friends here

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Dec. 17, 2018 10:03 a.m.

    Fred 44

    A brilliant analysis moored to fact and reason. Two qualities sadly lacking in criticism from Trump apologists.

    The "my way or the highway" is no way to run a government, particularly one with divided leadership. I further wonder why Trump did not force his wall funding on Congress when his party had full control of the legislative branches. Is it possible that the GOP is not united in adulation for Trump's signature campaign slogan?

    IMHO, the Trump meltdown is a product of his fears. Fears that his perfidy will be revealed, that he is politically impotent and that his business mal-practices are going to be exposed.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Dec. 17, 2018 10:00 a.m.

    This whole shut down shenanigans is nothing but another ruse by Trump to deflect people's attention to all of his legal problems and the pending indictments coming for his family and maybe him. Go ahead and shut down the government and spend your holidays at Mar a Largo on our dime and see how that works out for you and your pending legal battles Mr. President.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Dec. 17, 2018 9:40 a.m.

    @Karen R.
    I see your point. But, it seems they are offering funding for border solutions that don’t solve the problem. A bit like offering a car dealer to pay for half a car. Not gonna solve the problem.

    @Frozen.
    So the group that doesn’t want anything to change is not digging in? That sounds like a description of Democrats in Congress. So, they must be satisfied with conditions at the US-Mexico Border. Status quo seems good for Democrats. Am I misreading your comment?

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 17, 2018 9:41 a.m.

    at long last, who said with camera's running he would shut down the government if he doesn't get his wall? That would be President Trump. First choice should be to keep your campaign promise and have Mexico build the wall. 2nd choice should be if you have the votes build your wall even though you said Mexico would pay for it. Third choice would be work with the Democrats to create a compromise so you can get your wall.

    Stupid choice would be to tell the Democrats they need to vote with you because you are the supreme leader. The Republicans are now fully engaged in shooting themselves in the foot. Trump said he would shut down the government. Trump said we would have better cheaper health insurance on day one of his presidency and now you have a judge determining that ObamaCare is unconstitutional which leads to republicans worst nightmare, actually having to deal with healthcare rather than just using it as a political talking point. Let's not forget the drip, drip from the Mueller investigation. Going to be an interesting 2019.

  • rkr1 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 17, 2018 9:32 a.m.

    Funny how when President Obama was in office and the government shut down, it was Republicans fault. Now President Trump is in office, and if the government shuts down it will be the Republicans fault. How does that make sense? It is time to get the wall built. If it takes a shutdown to do it so be it.

  • airnaut Everett, WA
    Dec. 17, 2018 9:25 a.m.

    Last Government shutdown cost the U.S. tax payers $25 billion.
    More than Trump's stupid wall.

    Trump is acting egotistical and being foolish for staging this dangerous temper tantrum.

    Besides -
    didn't he also promise 100 times Mexico was going to pay for it?

    He is not to be trusted.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Dec. 17, 2018 8:58 a.m.

    The real reason the Democrats do not want the wall is because it will solve the problems Democrats created: Open borders! Here is an idea: We can easily pay for the wall with the $2500/year the average American family saved on health insurance the previous occupant of the WH promised! $2500/year times about 100 million families = $250,000,000,000. Pay for the wall the first year and have a lot left over!

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 17, 2018 8:22 a.m.

    Trump's tax cut cost the US Treasury $1.5 TRILLION . Let the corporations that control Washington pay for the wall.

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 17, 2018 8:12 a.m.

    Trump said he would get it from the Mexicans. Well go get it Trump. Mr Deal Maker!!

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2018 8:06 a.m.

    The stock market that the Donald took credit far is way down and dropping. Trade and shutdown are Huge economic mistakes.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Dec. 17, 2018 7:56 a.m.

    Not in the MSM, but one could make the headline, "Democrats dig in refusing funding, risking government shutdown". Think about this, and you will recognize that the MSM is the PR arm of the Democrat party and not much else. It is not just one side that won't compromise and just wants its way on things.

  • one old man MSC, UT
    Dec. 17, 2018 7:41 a.m.

    Here's an idea: Let's just shut down the White House.

    And let Mexico pay for it . . . .

  • one old man MSC, UT
    Dec. 17, 2018 6:58 a.m.

    trump is a bad dream.

    Will America ever wake up?

  • Kay Hunt Celebration, FL
    Dec. 17, 2018 6:01 a.m.

    Shutting down the government will be all Trump's doing. It does not save money and building a wall will not make the U.S. safer. The Dems offered $1.5B in the meeting but Trump wants $5B even though he has spent less than 10% of the last $1.5B he got last year. Not a foot of fence has been built. Trump continues to lie and his base continue to believe him. Trump needs to stop showboating and step up to the plate and govern.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Dec. 17, 2018 3:40 a.m.

    @ Vermonter

    If you were to learn that the Dems offered partial funding to avoid a shutdown, but it was Trump that demanded all or nothing, then would you agree with the headline?

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2018 1:45 a.m.

    @Vermonter
    The side that "digs in" and gets blame for a shutdown is the side insisting on something that departs from continuing things the way they were. In this case that's Trump demanding a wall.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Dec. 16, 2018 9:52 p.m.

    Oh. So it was the White House that dug in, not Democrats in Congress. No bias here.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Dec. 16, 2018 5:43 p.m.

    Shaun

    Good point. Why has it taken Trump two years to make demands such as this? The GOP in the House and most Senators are scared to death of Trump. He has turned critics into sycophants in his own party. And surely the man who "wrote" that book about deals ought to be able to coerce the Congress into giving him his money.

    All too curious, and I think it serves his purposes better to keep the pot boiling rather than actually doing the heavy lift of governing.

    Did you folks in the GOP really want a chaos President?

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Dec. 16, 2018 3:48 p.m.

    I wonder what compromise or consensus was even talked about. Trump should have got this done when he had the house and senate.

  • fireonthemtn Reno, NV
    Dec. 16, 2018 3:16 p.m.

    Any word on when Mexico will be cutting the check to pay for the wall, as promised by Trump?

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Dec. 16, 2018 2:53 p.m.

    Considering that Trump has folded like a chair so many times when facing a strong leader, I don't think he will get his $.

    Speaker-to-be Pelosi showed us her chops in her 17 minute film debut in the White House with Trump. That lady is one tough cookie.

    The Democrats are in no mood to accomodate the President anymore than what has been offered already. Frankly, I am surprised they offered as much as they did.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 16, 2018 2:47 p.m.

    Re Thid Barker. Victor Idaho

    “That is especially true when Democrats are in power!”

    For the last two years one party has controlled the Presidency, the Senate and the Congress. That party is not the Democrats.

    So who do we have to blame for these last minute Theatrics?

    Who will own the government shut down?

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Dec. 16, 2018 1:48 p.m.

    Border security is one of the reasons President Trump was elected! Wonderful to see a President do what he promised! As far as shutting down the government, Gideon Tucker said, ".’ No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session. That is especially true when Democrats are in power!

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Dec. 16, 2018 1:20 p.m.

    Remember...trump shutdown. He's good with that.

  • shamrock Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 16, 2018 12:51 p.m.

    Brilliant plan: shut down the government and accomplish nothing but ballooning the federal debt and then deny affordable health care to millions of Americans. So much winning.

    Remember when politicians used to (gasp) talk with one another, reach compromises and come up with workable solutions? I'm not sure what we pay them for nowadays, other than the overrated thrill of listening to their hyperbolic rhetoric and watching all the political theatrics.