"Someday Trump will be gone and all their dreams will come true."That really will be a dream come true.
@search diligently “Why aren't you and other liberals
using logic yourselves? And why don't you listen to all the news, not just
selective bits? Trump is not going to shut down Homeland Security.”Um, yes he is. These are the agencies whose funding expires at midnight
on front. Note which agency heads the list:Homeland SecurityTransportationCommerceInteriorAgricultureHousing and
@ Vermonter"But, it seems they are offering funding for border
solutions that don’t solve the problem."I don't see
how a wall prevents people fleeing abject poverty and violence from presenting
themselves at border crossings and asking for asylum. This is what is being
sold as an "invasion" or a "crisis."
@Thid Barker "Wonderful to see a President do what he
promised!"Except he hasn't. He promised that Mexico would
pay for his wall. How'd that go?
jsf - Centerville, UT---Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and
scores of other Democrats, including Schumer, voted for the construction of at
least a double-layered wall on the southern border with Mexico in 2006,...---If you are talking about the 2006 "Secure Fence Act",
just the word 'fence' should suggest a different characteristic.
Furthermore, the Act was for 700 miles of fence and other types of barriers, as
well as support for agents and monitoring means.The
'fence' has been put into place and extended in areas that had no such
barrier at the time. The border is about 2000 miles long and
uninhabited along significant lengths of the border. A Wall would be ineffective
without attendant agents monitoring the Wall, as even with the current barriers,
those wishing to move high value materials, aka drugs, have found effective ways
to move across the border, and will prove no more of a barrier for what ever
Wall Trump has in mind.As a matter of fact, other than the word, and
perhaps a few prototypes, there's no clear indication what Trump would have
for a Wall.A more effective policy is to improve the economy in
Mexico and points south to provide opportunities.
"I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a
barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in," Clinton told
an audience at a campaign stop Nov. 9, 2015.At a New Hampshire event
in November, she was asked what she thought about. Clinton's answer was:
"Well, look. I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to
build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in.”Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and scores of other Democrats,
including Schumer, voted for the construction of at least a double-layered wall
on the southern border with Mexico in 2006,Sometimes you have to
listen to what your candidate is really saying.
jjjdsd,"Obama, Hillary Clinton and Schumer wanted the wall."____________________Any one of the three of those alone would make a
sensational headline and the topic of endless panel discussions on cable news. I
must have been out of town and away from any news outlets when the breaking news
ran. Would you be so thoughtful as to refresh my memory by citing the sources
@mcclark - Salt Lake City, UTYou say "So let me get this
straight, to secure the border Trump is going to shut down Homeland Security.
Sounds like Trump "logic" to me."Why aren't you and
other liberals using logic yourselves? And why don't you listen to all the
news, not just selective bits? Trump is not going to shut down Homeland
Security. If you paid any attention to the news you would know his plans are to
shut down some of the federal government. He is more rational than the liberal
left who won't consider the importance of the wall... not only for national
security but also from a financial sense. It costs as much to pay for the
illegals each and every year as the $5 billion he is asking for in a wall.
Trump has had the House of Representatives and the Senate for two years. One
would think that he would have got his precious border wall by now...even if
Mexico refused to pay for it.Trump can't get the votes. Period.
He tried to get it funded last year - remember the wall for DACA deal? This is nothing more than a spoiled toddler throwing one last tantrum to see
if he can get his parents to cave and give him the box of cookies he wants. So much for conservatives being fiscally conservative! Pelosi and
Schumer and the party they lead are the adults in the room.
Obama, Hillary Clinton and Schumer wanted the wall. When they found out it
would rob them of illegal votes they went against it. Sounds like politicians
to me. Want to really save money on drug and illegal criminals? Use a little
bit of Pb in small doses.Close the border and close the government.
The only moral leadership for America is for bipartisan Democrats and
Republicans to provide by standing firm at the risk of a potentially
catastrophic shutdown. If they buckle under Trump’s bullying threats, they
reduce themselves to timid enablers at best, ignoble cohorts at worst. To
demonstrate any fitness to lead, they must find the steel to draw the line and
Trump is demanding money to build "his" wall for one reason to appease
his "base". Didn't he promise that Mexico would pay ? Then that
Mexico would pay us back. Now it's just the United state will pay for
"his" wall period.
if obama can give $150 Billion to our greatest enemies the Iranians to use for
killing American Soldiers? Then Schumer and Pelosi can give Trump $5Billion to
prevent terrorists and criminals from invading our border!
Trump’s shutdown is going to hurt a lot of people. Maybe the vets who
still support him will finally have their eyes opened about Trump. One can only
Thid Barker - Victor, ID---Border security is one of the reasons
President Trump was elected! Wonderful to see a President do what he promised!
As far as shutting down the government, Gideon Tucker said, ".’ No
man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in
session. That is especially true when Democrats are in power!---The irony of the call for Border Security is that when one looks at the
red/blue counties that are on the border, many, if not most are Blue Country.
The Red Country often is in locations where the daily interaction with border
crossers, legal or not, is nonexistent.For those that do live on the
border, we are looking for far different solutions than a wall, or
militarization, especially if we have families that span the border.
If there is a shutdown, Trump is the owner of it. He forced this issue on a
nation for which a wall is the wrong image for America to want to project to the
civilized world. Behind the scenes he wins applause in Moscow and Damascus but
not among nations that look to America as a powerful moral force in the world.
taking a stand for truth - Lehi, UT---I don't want to see a
shutdown but if that is what it takes to properly secure the southern border, I
say "Do it!" Enough is enough!---There are many places
along the border where there are wells, or other types of barriers. This has
secured these areas to the point where those wanting to cross, are pushed out
into desert regions, and the results are like the recent death of 7 year old
child. There are many more deaths that don't make the news.----Obama, Hillary Clinton and Schumer all wanted the wall ten years
ago.----The Secure Border Initiative(SBI) showed that there
would be far greater cost to implement a 'total surveillance' border,
using a combination of technology and manpower. Furthermore, the
really dangerous stuff, such as drugs or terrorists, can afford to
'jump' a border wall with ease, using either drones, or very light
aircraft. The drug smugglers have developed mobile ramps to allow other vehicles
to cross the walls that do exist.How about a plan to improve the
economies of Latin America, and thereby encourage those from there to stay
'home', instead of a wall, or a trade war with China.
So let me get this straight, to secure the border Trump is going to shut down
Homeland Security. Sounds like Trump "logic" to me.
Why on earth would the U.S. and Texas ever agree to giving up the nearly 1,000
miles of the Rio Grande? The loss of that river in perpetuity would be
impossible to calculate. Let's be honest here, all trump wants
to do is build a wall for a couple dozen miles ($5B isn't going to come
close to building a wall on the entire border) so he can brag about building a
wall. What will be the point of building a partial wall? It is pointless, much
like all of his other claims.And finally: he needs to make good on
his promise about who's going to pay for it. Once trump gets Mexico write a
check for the wall, he can start building it.
I don't want to see a shutdown but if that is what it takes to properly
secure the southern border, I say "Do it!" Enough is enough!Obama, Hillary Clinton and Schumer all wanted the wall ten years ago. Why
don't they now? Only to spite Trump. We spend more on the illegals that
come in every year than it would cost to build the wall.Secure the
border. Build that wall.
Why is this even a discussion?Politicians were elected to protect
our country and they've done a poor job of it.California has
been largely taken over and the rest of our country is right behind.We have politicians wanting open borders. Some want to dissolve Canada,
United States, and Mexico to form one country.Someday Trump will be
gone and all their dreams will come true.
The government shutdown... the biggest nothing burger in the worldNothing important gets shut down... everybody gets their back pay (a nice paid
vacation)Fund the wall... the open borders libs have no friends here
Fred 44A brilliant analysis moored to fact and reason. Two
qualities sadly lacking in criticism from Trump apologists.The
"my way or the highway" is no way to run a government, particularly one
with divided leadership. I further wonder why Trump did not force his wall
funding on Congress when his party had full control of the legislative branches.
Is it possible that the GOP is not united in adulation for Trump's
signature campaign slogan?IMHO, the Trump meltdown is a product of
his fears. Fears that his perfidy will be revealed, that he is politically
impotent and that his business mal-practices are going to be exposed.
This whole shut down shenanigans is nothing but another ruse by Trump to deflect
people's attention to all of his legal problems and the pending indictments
coming for his family and maybe him. Go ahead and shut down the government and
spend your holidays at Mar a Largo on our dime and see how that works out for
you and your pending legal battles Mr. President.
@Karen R.I see your point. But, it seems they are offering funding for
border solutions that don’t solve the problem. A bit like offering a car
dealer to pay for half a car. Not gonna solve the problem. @Frozen.So the group that doesn’t want anything to change is not
digging in? That sounds like a description of Democrats in Congress. So, they
must be satisfied with conditions at the US-Mexico Border. Status quo seems
good for Democrats. Am I misreading your comment?
at long last, who said with camera's running he would shut down the
government if he doesn't get his wall? That would be President Trump.
First choice should be to keep your campaign promise and have Mexico build the
wall. 2nd choice should be if you have the votes build your wall even though
you said Mexico would pay for it. Third choice would be work with the Democrats
to create a compromise so you can get your wall. Stupid choice
would be to tell the Democrats they need to vote with you because you are the
supreme leader. The Republicans are now fully engaged in shooting themselves in
the foot. Trump said he would shut down the government. Trump said we would
have better cheaper health insurance on day one of his presidency and now you
have a judge determining that ObamaCare is unconstitutional which leads to
republicans worst nightmare, actually having to deal with healthcare rather than
just using it as a political talking point. Let's not forget the drip,
drip from the Mueller investigation. Going to be an interesting 2019.
Funny how when President Obama was in office and the government shut down, it
was Republicans fault. Now President Trump is in office, and if the government
shuts down it will be the Republicans fault. How does that make sense? It is
time to get the wall built. If it takes a shutdown to do it so be it.
Last Government shutdown cost the U.S. tax payers $25 billion.More than
Trump's stupid wall.Trump is acting egotistical and being
foolish for staging this dangerous temper tantrum.Besides - didn't he also promise 100 times Mexico was going to pay for it?He is not to be trusted.
The real reason the Democrats do not want the wall is because it will solve the
problems Democrats created: Open borders! Here is an idea: We can easily pay
for the wall with the $2500/year the average American family saved on health
insurance the previous occupant of the WH promised! $2500/year times about 100
million families = $250,000,000,000. Pay for the wall the first year and have a
lot left over!
Trump's tax cut cost the US Treasury $1.5 TRILLION . Let the corporations
that control Washington pay for the wall.
Trump said he would get it from the Mexicans. Well go get it Trump. Mr Deal
The stock market that the Donald took credit far is way down and dropping. Trade
and shutdown are Huge economic mistakes.
Not in the MSM, but one could make the headline, "Democrats dig in refusing
funding, risking government shutdown". Think about this, and you will
recognize that the MSM is the PR arm of the Democrat party and not much else.
It is not just one side that won't compromise and just wants its way on
Here's an idea: Let's just shut down the White House.And
let Mexico pay for it . . . .
trump is a bad dream.Will America ever wake up?
Shutting down the government will be all Trump's doing. It does not save
money and building a wall will not make the U.S. safer. The Dems offered $1.5B
in the meeting but Trump wants $5B even though he has spent less than 10% of the
last $1.5B he got last year. Not a foot of fence has been built. Trump
continues to lie and his base continue to believe him. Trump needs to stop
showboating and step up to the plate and govern.
@ VermonterIf you were to learn that the Dems offered partial
funding to avoid a shutdown, but it was Trump that demanded all or nothing, then
would you agree with the headline?
@VermonterThe side that "digs in" and gets blame for a shutdown is
the side insisting on something that departs from continuing things the way they
were. In this case that's Trump demanding a wall.
Oh. So it was the White House that dug in, not Democrats in Congress. No bias
ShaunGood point. Why has it taken Trump two years to make demands
such as this? The GOP in the House and most Senators are scared to death of
Trump. He has turned critics into sycophants in his own party. And surely the
man who "wrote" that book about deals ought to be able to coerce the
Congress into giving him his money.All too curious, and I think it
serves his purposes better to keep the pot boiling rather than actually doing
the heavy lift of governing.Did you folks in the GOP really want a
I wonder what compromise or consensus was even talked about. Trump should have
got this done when he had the house and senate.
Any word on when Mexico will be cutting the check to pay for the wall, as
promised by Trump?
Considering that Trump has folded like a chair so many times when facing a
strong leader, I don't think he will get his $.Speaker-to-be
Pelosi showed us her chops in her 17 minute film debut in the White House with
Trump. That lady is one tough cookie. The Democrats are in no mood
to accomodate the President anymore than what has been offered already.
Frankly, I am surprised they offered as much as they did.
Re Thid Barker. Victor Idaho“That is especially true when
Democrats are in power!”For the last two years one party has
controlled the Presidency, the Senate and the Congress. That party is not the
Democrats.So who do we have to blame for these last minute
Theatrics?Who will own the government shut down?
Border security is one of the reasons President Trump was elected! Wonderful to
see a President do what he promised! As far as shutting down the government,
Gideon Tucker said, ".’ No man's life, liberty, or property are
safe while the legislature is in session. That is especially true when Democrats
are in power!
Remember...trump shutdown. He's good with that.
Brilliant plan: shut down the government and accomplish nothing but ballooning
the federal debt and then deny affordable health care to millions of Americans.
So much winning.Remember when politicians used to (gasp) talk with
one another, reach compromises and come up with workable solutions? I'm
not sure what we pay them for nowadays, other than the overrated thrill of
listening to their hyperbolic rhetoric and watching all the political theatrics.