Sen. Orrin Hatch says his comments about Trump allegations were 'irresponsible'

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  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 18, 2018 5:15 p.m.

    thunderbolt7 said:

    "Was he asserting that charging political opponents with "criminal malfeasance" is common partisan political rhetoric? Example: Rep Maxine Waters (D-California) says President Trump should be impeached, implying a crime was committed, but what is the crime? Trump may not be a pillar of moral rectitude, but what is his crime?"

    I think I will let Robert Muller tell you what crimes he has committed.

    But it is funny that you choose that as an example when the donald spent every one of his rallies chanting 'lock her up'. Perhaps you can inform us all what her crimes are?

  • Light and Liberty St George, UT
    Dec. 18, 2018 9:04 a.m.

    Trump 2020! The people will return to elect a great leader for another 4 years! We are not subjects of the government; it is subject to us!

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 18, 2018 8:27 a.m.

    Senator Hatch always would say gee whiz and then act to seek more power. His loyalty for power move with the Donald will be long remembered.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Dec. 17, 2018 10:11 a.m.

    Think of all the entertainment we could have had if Hatch decided to have another term in office. Mitt won't be nearly as entertaining or ill informed.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Dec. 17, 2018 9:37 a.m.

    @Flashback;

    Hatch ran against Moss with the slogan "Two Terms Is Enough, Senator" -- yes, he is a big hypocrite (and yes, I was alive during that era and recall it quite clearly).

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Dec. 17, 2018 8:27 a.m.

    10CC. Hatch never once said he'd only serve two terms. Nothing in the historical record has him ever saying that he'd only serve two terms. Were you even alive in 1976? That was the first year I was eligible to vote so I paid close attention.

    I do recall a campaign ad from Bob Bennett saying that if he only served two terms, "so be it", he apparently at that time indicated that he'd be fine with two terms (obviously he wasn't, hence the constant whining from the Count My Vote crowd).

    Obviously, Utah voters have been happy with Hatch all these years. Other than the 82 election, his first, he's garnered over 62% of the vote and in 82 he still did 58%.

  • Ellis Dean Hovey Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 16, 2018 5:20 a.m.

    It's a public relations ploy.

    What else could it be?

    Hatch is not going to change now.

    Quoting the article: "In his statement, the retiring seven-term senator reiterated that he doesn't think Trump committed a crime."

    Hatch is STILL protecting Trump.

  • AT Pleasant Grove, UT
    Dec. 15, 2018 10:47 a.m.

    Finally, at the end of his career (thankfully), Hatch says one truth: "you can make anything a crime under the current laws." Amen. And we think we're free...

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 15, 2018 9:50 a.m.

    Near the very end of his career, it's becoming apparent Hatch's primary impulse is to denigrate and disregard those he disagrees with.

    He clearly envies Trump's open combativeness and admires him as "one of our greatest presidents".

    The Hatch who ruthlessly attacked Anita Hills is the real Hatch. The Senator who helped create the Childrens Health program was a faÇade.

    Hatch's call for civility in his last speech were empty words... unfortunately.

    It's sad to see his deterioration in a public way... but Hatch's vow to serve just two terms - way back in 1976 - is coming back to bite him, just in ways he and his supporters never imagined.

  • ConservativeCommonTater Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 15, 2018 9:38 a.m.

    PP - Eagle Mountain, UT

    Try this correction instead...

    "You know - I am still unclear about what laws HILLARY is supposed to have committed? Are we really supposed to believe that after 4 years all they can come up with are accusations for which nothing was found."

    "If any of you really think some grave crime has been committed you should be able to come up with something to base your hate on. "

    Hatch was doing what Hatch has always done. When he saw a guy with a camera, he just had to get in front of the camera. Of course what he said was what he meant even when he received criticism from everyone.

    So, to get more camera face time, he said the same thing again, though he twisted it slightly. Hatch has always been a GOP sycophant. Nothing more.

    Hatch will miss getting his face in front of a camera.

  • durwood kirby Preston, ID
    Dec. 15, 2018 9:17 a.m.

    I was beginning to think that I was reading Breitbart News when I read that statement by Orrin Hatch. How does something like that come out of one’s mouth if it hasn’t first taken the form of thought?

  • one old man MSC, UT
    Dec. 15, 2018 9:01 a.m.

    And it is now being reported that Hatch has called supporters of the Affordable Care Act "STUPID."

    It's hard to express how happy many of us are to see Mr. Hatch disappearing from public view.

  • rickski13 salt lake city, utah
    Dec. 15, 2018 8:58 a.m.

    Orrin Hatch doesn't believe Michael Cohen is a reliable source, "Cohen isn't to be believed"
    So Hatch is telling me we should believe Donald Trump because he always tells the truth

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    Dec. 15, 2018 8:56 a.m.

    Ironic that after made all these calls for civility - just last night he once again at the American Enterprise Institute he called those on the other side "stupid". How does this work again.... give grandiose speeches about the need to return civility to politics, then just a short time after, start calling the other side names again?

    You can hypocritical to your list of words that describe what comes out of your mouth. Please hang up the mic and move on before you make it worse. Please don't tell others they need to behave better... but you, yourself, nah.... that speech was for others, not yourself Mr. Hatch.

    Please.... go and retire.... the sooner the better.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 15, 2018 8:52 a.m.

    Orrin is losing his marbles and says what he really thinks. When it comes down to it, he really doesn't believe in the rule of law, only about partisan fighting.

    If Republicans commit crimes, it's a witch hunt, if Democrats do or say anything, it's horrible.

    This "apology" is probably from a staffer who is trying to help save his legacy.

    Will Orrin spout off again, requiring further apologies/clarifications?

  • pragmatistferlife Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 15, 2018 8:23 a.m.

    "Hillary - the worst, most corrupt candidate ever in the history of the nation"

    Oh just wait PP - Eagle Mountain, UT, you haven't seen anything yet. I hope you're young enough to watch this play out over the course of the next 5 years.

    I was one who detests Trump but somewhat leery of what would come from the different legal inquiries. All my doubts were squashed the last couple of weeks. It's plain now that legal web surrounding Trumps organizations (business and campaign) is extensive and tight. This was a small group of people engaged in all of the activities under investigation and that Trump was at the center of it all.

    Legal circles are being careful to not engage in tabloid sensationalism by inappropriately naming Trump until necessary, but it's obvious from filings and conversations of the convicted that nothing went on without Trump's ok. Again this was a very small group of people.

  • Furry1993 MSC, UT
    Dec. 15, 2018 6:57 a.m.

    @imsmarterthanyou -
    Dec. 14, 2018 2:39 p.m.
    Hatch is irresponsible for saying this. He should just go away and stop bashing the best president in over 100 years.
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    That is inaccurate. The current titular head of our country's government is in no way "the best president in over 100 years -- by his actions and the level of his corruption he's not even worthy to be called a president. Individual 1 (aka trump in the Court filings in the Southern District of New York) deserves a lot more criticism and investigation than he has so far received, and the way Hatch pandered to him in the first statement that was criticized is unconscionable. His second statement wasn't much better, and also deserves criticism. We deserve better than both Hatch and Individual 1.

  • Furry1993 MSC, UT
    Dec. 15, 2018 6:50 a.m.

    @fixitmama - Raymore, MO
    Dec. 14, 2018 10:16 p.m.
    Mr. Hatch's first remarks were so troubling. And his "clarification" didn't do much to convince me. Given his words, and the actions of this president, (and let's throw in Hillary Clinton's behavior as well) it makes one wonder if there is anyone in Washington D.C. representing us that can be trusted to take the moral high ground? Where are all the servants of the people that are really there to do the right thing? When I helped Hatch on his first campaign all those years ago, I had no idea what he would become. We really must enact term limits!!
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    You're forgetting Senator Flake. He spoke out for what is right and for the people of the United States. We need more people in office like him.
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    @DN Subscriber - Dec. 14, 2018 5:49 p.m.
    Trump has done some great things, as Hatch noted, and he need not back away from that. He . . . he should also point out the unprecedented level of incessant attacks on Turmp and investigations and allegations precipitated by hyper partisans with no credibility.
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    turmp has not suffered unprecedent attacks. The people investigating him have a lot of credibility. They are not hyper partisans

  • thunderbolt7 Dutch John, UT
    Dec. 15, 2018 6:27 a.m.

    Hatch's supposed imprudent comment: "You know, you can make anything a crime under the current laws; if you want to you can blow it way out of proportion, you can do a lot of things,”
    Isn't that true? Was Hatch exaggerating? Was he asserting that charging political opponents with "criminal malfeasance" is common partisan political rhetoric? Example: Rep Maxine Waters (D-California) says President Trump should be impeached, implying a crime was committed, but what is the crime? Trump may not be a pillar of moral rectitude, but what is his crime?

  • Flat foot , 00
    Dec. 15, 2018 6:02 a.m.

    Hey Orrin - you are "out" of the swamp - you can now say anything you want without upsetting other's feelings - except Joy Behar and those determined to find something, anything negative about President Trump.

    Go ahead, let it fly - after all those eons of "service" to the people of Utah, it probably felt pretty good until someone was "offended".

    Oops - some things never change, do they?

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    Dec. 15, 2018 5:44 a.m.

    What he thought and what he said.... first probably the same thing. But like most people, they don't always say what they believe, because it isn't appropriate. A judge gets defendants in front of them every day that they personally don't like. But they know the rule of law, so they keep those personal feelings in check. Hatch should have known how to keep his personal beliefs separate from his official comments.

    This is like Hillary when she told her daughter that she "believed" that Benghazi was part of the anti-US riots that were going on in several cities in the middle east that day. We all learned it was much more than that. But it was out there. We spent millions of dollars in hearings trying to find out what she really knew, when, and what it all meant. And in the end it didn't matter as much as how it happened.

    Having hearings on if Hatch really doesn't care about the rule of law would be bizarre. But that is what world we live in because once you say something, it's never coming back. Hatch, with a few days left probably really doesn't care - just wants to go home. But he said it, and he will be judged by those statements for a long time.....

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 15, 2018 4:44 a.m.

    “OK but I don't care; all I can say is he's doing a good job as president."

    He borrows an astronomical amount of money to spend to stimulate the economy and this is a good job.

    AfterTrump was elected I wrote Senator Hatch’s office asking for documentation of what was the current national debt. The response was around eighteen trillion dollars. Today after two years in office it stands around twenty one trillion.

    I ask you which party is the party of “Big Spenders”

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Dec. 14, 2018 10:38 p.m.

    @PP: "Are we really supposed to believe that after 2 years all they can come up with are campaign finance laws?"

    Nope.

    You are not really supposed to believe that after 2 years all they can come up with are campaign finance laws.

    Oh no.

    Plenty of other charges are being prepared and will be filed against Trump and his associates/family and affiliated companies. Arising from the Mueller investigation, federal DoJ on NY and DC, the State of NY, District of Columbia, and likely some foreign jurisdictions. This is going to take years to fully unpack.

    So don't worry.

    There will be more charges than just the apparent campaign finance law violations. Lots more charges!

  • fixitmama Raymore, MO
    Dec. 14, 2018 10:16 p.m.

    Mr. Hatch's first remarks were so troubling. And his "clarification" didn't do much to convince me. Given his words, and the actions of this president, (and let's throw in Hillary Clinton's behavior as well) it makes one wonder if there is anyone in Washington D.C. representing us that can be trusted to take the moral high ground? Where are all the servants of the people that are really there to do the right thing? When I helped Hatch on his first campaign all those years ago, I had no idea what he would become. We really must enact term limits!!

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Dec. 14, 2018 10:15 p.m.

    The only reason Hatch walked it back was criticism of him. He meant every word he said when talking to CNN, just as his president says what he really means in unplanned and unscripted interactions. Hatch has proven over the years that he only respects laws that protect his political party. In an eloquent showing of partisanship, his actons have built a case his words can't change.

  • Deej Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 14, 2018 10:03 p.m.

    Over the past decade, Hatch has always been party before country, principle, or rule of law.

    If he can't see the obvious campaign finance law violation here, then it's probably best he retire.

    Nobody is above the law.

  • blackattack Orem, UT
    Dec. 14, 2018 9:57 p.m.

    Wait, Senator Hatch’s last speech was on lamenting the bitter partisan divide and bitterness? Does he realize with his leadership in the senate for decades that he is front and center in it?

  • PP Eagle Mountain, UT
    Dec. 14, 2018 9:32 p.m.

    You know - I am still unclear about what laws Trump is supposed to have committed? Are we really supposed to believe that after 2 years all they can come up with are campaign finance laws?

    If any of you really think some grave crime has been committed you should be able to come up with something to base your hate on.

    Is Trump an immoral man - almost certainly. Is he a criminal - almost certainly not.

    No one who supports Trump thinks he is a great moral character, but the other choice was Hillary - the worst, most corrupt candidate ever in the history of the nation. And personal morals aside, Trump is doing more to benefit the country than any president has done in years.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Dec. 14, 2018 8:05 p.m.

    One has to wonder what chutzpah it takes to say this: "Hillary Clinton makes Trump look almost saintly because she has escaped all serious inquiry into her actions."

    I doubt even Trump fans think he is saintly. Rarely has the US elected someone devoid of ethics and seriously compromised by foreign interests. Secondly, Mrs Clinton has been the favored pinata of the GOP for decade. She has been deposed, sat in House committee hearings, and had FBI investigations almost anytime she uses the bathroom.

    Followed by this declaration: "he (Hatch) should also point out the unprecedented level of incessant attacks on Turmp and investigations and allegations precipitated by hyper partisans with no credibility."

    The Justice department and the Special Prosecutor are all GOP led. The incessant "attacks" come from the Press that continues to uncover so much of the Trump perfidy. And anyway, half the time the allegations would be only a blip in the news, except that Trump's tweety little fingers seemed compelled to lash out at any perceived insult to his greatness. Trump is the perpetrator of much of the new hoola-baloo. And besides, he has not credibility to begin with.

  • chopperdan Clovis, NM
    Dec. 14, 2018 7:38 p.m.

    When Abraham Lincoln changed his mind he would say...”I’d like to think that I was a little smarter than I was yesterday”. You have to give Sen. Hatch kudos for coming out like this.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 14, 2018 7:36 p.m.

    Yes, Senator Hatch. Your comment was very irresponsible. But, they were probably very honest comments that reflected your loyalty to party over country and rule of law. Your comment was also a reflection of what happens when someone is allowed to stay in Washington too long. This is why we desperately need term limits, campaign finance reform, and to drain the swamp. These things will have to happen to save our democracy, freedoms, and our election process.

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 14, 2018 7:16 p.m.

    Hatch has been wishy washy all of his career, He is just going out in wishy washy style.

  • emb Pleasant Grove, UT
    Dec. 14, 2018 6:32 p.m.

    And so were his comments on the senate floor . In the early days he was very partisan

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 14, 2018 5:49 p.m.

    Senator Hatch has been in Washington so long he has an incurable case of political correctness if anyone even hints at disapproval of something he says.

    Trump is a seriously flawed individual, and may well have broken the law. His opponent, Hillary Clinton makes Trump look almost saintly because she has escaped all serious inquiry into her actions.

    Trump has done some great things, as Hatch noted, and he need not back away from that. He need not praise Turmp as a moral role model, but he should also point out the unprecedented level of incessant attacks on Turmp and investigations and allegations precipitated by hyper partisans with no credibility.

  • FanOfTheSith Vernal, UT
    Dec. 14, 2018 5:30 p.m.

    "On Monday, Hatch told CNN that he didn't think Trump was involved in any crimes and blamed Democrats for making it an issue."

    There it is Mr. Hatch. You are part of that "loyalty to party" and wasting time cutting each other down instead of running the country for the good of all the Citizens and inhabitants of the United States of America.

  • Wasatch Al South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 14, 2018 5:26 p.m.

    First Hatch says his comments are “irresponsible” than keeps going and says the same thing again!

    No one will remember your final speech but only this comment. Quit defending this indefensible president.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Dec. 14, 2018 5:17 p.m.

    Article: "Sen. Orrin Hatch says he regrets speaking 'imprudently' and that his comments earlier this week about allegations against President Donald Trump were 'irresponsible.'"

    Imprudently? Irresponsible?

    Huh?

    Does Hatch not realize these are not synonyms for "wrong", "mistaken", or "incorrect"?

    Of course he does.

    Which suggests he meant what he said and merely regrets that he said it to a reporter.

    Does he really think that these last comments will make people forget how he seemed okay exempting Trump from the principles of right-and-wrong?

    All Hatch needed to say was "What I said or implied was mistaken. Moral relativism is wrong" and he'd be remembered for other things.

  • Occidentali Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 14, 2018 5:03 p.m.

    All he meant is that allegations of wrongdoing deserve due process--regardless of how political and corrupt they may be. Of course, this is taken by critics of the president as an abject surrender to their wishes to destroy President Trump.

    However, the Mueller investigation should not be allowed to "run its course." It is unconstitutional because it violates the appointments clause of The Constitution. The special counsel is a senior official having more authority than a United States Attorney. He cannot be appointed by Rod Rosenstein without being confirmed by the Senate. Additionally, Mr. Rosenstein violated the Department of Justices own rules by not specifying a crime to be investigated. So, Senator Hatch is wrong to conclude that this unconstitutional investigation should be allowed to "run its course." Its been running for almost two years with no evidence of Russian collusion.

  • Whalen Santa Cruz, CA
    Dec. 14, 2018 5:00 p.m.

    Senator Hatch has cow towed and condoned ALL the malfeasance perpetuated from the beginning till now and on into infinity and beyond. Whatever happened to SCRUPLES?

  • tabuno Clearfield, UT
    Dec. 14, 2018 4:11 p.m.

    If Sen. Hatch still has the authority to vote on the bi-partisan criminal justice bill to be voted on Monday, it will be an interesting test of his interest in reducing the extended arm of the law as he appears to be in support of. Will he vote to pass this law that goes some ways towards reducing the severe mandated punishments that he seems to be trying to offer President Trump so he can avoid crimes that apparent Sen. Hatch says are too strict.

  • Habisha South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 14, 2018 4:05 p.m.

    What was the crime?

  • dordrecht Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 14, 2018 3:55 p.m.

    Hush already, Orrin. Too many excuses, and you might just lose that medal!

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 14, 2018 3:37 p.m.

    OK Mr. Hatch....Whatever?

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, WA
    Dec. 14, 2018 3:28 p.m.

    Sen. Orrin Hatch says his comments about Trump allegations were 'irresponsible'

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    The trouble is,
    Sen. Orrin Hatch meant what he said -- He really "doesn't care" if Trump breaks the laws.
    His actions speak louder than words...
    His complicit actions of doing nothing about Trump speak for themself.

    Good Bye & Good riddance, Mr. 30 years too late...

  • Sky King , 00
    Dec. 14, 2018 3:04 p.m.

    I’m afraid Sen. Hatch’s “irresponsible” comments reflect what he has become. The repair attempt doesn’t cut it.

  • The Meliorist CA, 00
    Dec. 14, 2018 2:48 p.m.

    Good for Hatch for owning this mistake.

    Trump supporters have to know the end is near when Orrin Hatch is trying to distance himself from Donald.

    Nixon is suddenly looking like only a slightly flawed Statesman.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 14, 2018 2:42 p.m.

    For the last few decades it sure has seemed like Sen. Hatch was more in love with the GOP, himself and even the well being of trump more than he ever loved the United States, which is sad and wrong.

    My hope is for lawmakers who believe the Constitution is more important than protecting the president and if the president breaks laws to become president, he needs to be held accountable. I can't see why that is too much to ask.

  • imsmarterthanyou Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 14, 2018 2:39 p.m.

    Hatch is irresponsible for saying this. He should just go away and stop bashing the best president in over 100 years.

  • shamrock Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 14, 2018 2:39 p.m.

    Good to hear that on second thought, Hatch realized that a president committing a crime would indeed be a problem, even if you agreed with the president's political policies. I'm still surprised, though, that that wasn't immediately obvious to Hatch.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Dec. 14, 2018 2:38 p.m.

    ""Earlier this week in an unplanned hallway interview with CNN, I made comments about allegations against the president that were irresponsible and a poor reflection on my lengthy record of dedication to the rule of law," Hatch said in a statement."

    Yeah. After Hatch's staff, his family and decent Americans told him he was way off base. He can't unring that bell. Nor can he hide from "President Trump is the best President I've ever served under". People will always remember Hatch by that.