thunderbolt7 said:"Was he asserting that charging political
opponents with "criminal malfeasance" is common partisan political
rhetoric? Example: Rep Maxine Waters (D-California) says President Trump should
be impeached, implying a crime was committed, but what is the crime? Trump may
not be a pillar of moral rectitude, but what is his crime?"I
think I will let Robert Muller tell you what crimes he has committed. But it is funny that you choose that as an example when the donald spent
every one of his rallies chanting 'lock her up'. Perhaps you can
inform us all what her crimes are?
Trump 2020! The people will return to elect a great leader for another 4
years! We are not subjects of the government; it is subject to us!
Senator Hatch always would say gee whiz and then act to seek more power. His
loyalty for power move with the Donald will be long remembered.
Think of all the entertainment we could have had if Hatch decided to have
another term in office. Mitt won't be nearly as entertaining or ill
@Flashback;Hatch ran against Moss with the slogan "Two Terms Is
Enough, Senator" -- yes, he is a big hypocrite (and yes, I was alive during
that era and recall it quite clearly).
10CC. Hatch never once said he'd only serve two terms. Nothing in the
historical record has him ever saying that he'd only serve two terms. Were
you even alive in 1976? That was the first year I was eligible to vote so I
paid close attention.I do recall a campaign ad from Bob Bennett
saying that if he only served two terms, "so be it", he apparently at
that time indicated that he'd be fine with two terms (obviously he
wasn't, hence the constant whining from the Count My Vote crowd).Obviously, Utah voters have been happy with Hatch all these years. Other than
the 82 election, his first, he's garnered over 62% of the vote and in 82 he
still did 58%.
It's a public relations ploy.What else could it be?Hatch is not going to change now.Quoting the article: "In his
statement, the retiring seven-term senator reiterated that he doesn't think
Trump committed a crime."Hatch is STILL protecting Trump.
Finally, at the end of his career (thankfully), Hatch says one truth: "you
can make anything a crime under the current laws." Amen. And we think
Near the very end of his career, it's becoming apparent Hatch's
primary impulse is to denigrate and disregard those he disagrees with. He clearly envies Trump's open combativeness and admires him as "one
of our greatest presidents". The Hatch who ruthlessly attacked
Anita Hills is the real Hatch. The Senator who helped create the Childrens
Health program was a faÇade.Hatch's call for civility in
his last speech were empty words... unfortunately. It's sad to
see his deterioration in a public way... but Hatch's vow to serve just two
terms - way back in 1976 - is coming back to bite him, just in ways he and his
supporters never imagined.
PP - Eagle Mountain, UTTry this correction instead..."You know - I am still unclear about what laws HILLARY is supposed to have
committed? Are we really supposed to believe that after 4 years all they can
come up with are accusations for which nothing was found.""If any of you really think some grave crime has been committed you should
be able to come up with something to base your hate on. "Hatch
was doing what Hatch has always done. When he saw a guy with a camera, he just
had to get in front of the camera. Of course what he said was what he meant
even when he received criticism from everyone.So, to get more camera
face time, he said the same thing again, though he twisted it slightly. Hatch
has always been a GOP sycophant. Nothing more.Hatch will miss
getting his face in front of a camera.
I was beginning to think that I was reading Breitbart News when I read that
statement by Orrin Hatch. How does something like that come out of one’s
mouth if it hasn’t first taken the form of thought?
And it is now being reported that Hatch has called supporters of the Affordable
Care Act "STUPID."It's hard to express how happy many
of us are to see Mr. Hatch disappearing from public view.
Orrin Hatch doesn't believe Michael Cohen is a reliable source, "Cohen
isn't to be believed"So Hatch is telling me we should believe
Donald Trump because he always tells the truth
Ironic that after made all these calls for civility - just last night he once
again at the American Enterprise Institute he called those on the other side
"stupid". How does this work again.... give grandiose speeches about
the need to return civility to politics, then just a short time after, start
calling the other side names again?You can hypocritical to your list
of words that describe what comes out of your mouth. Please hang up the mic
and move on before you make it worse. Please don't tell others they need
to behave better... but you, yourself, nah.... that speech was for others, not
yourself Mr. Hatch.Please.... go and retire.... the sooner the
Orrin is losing his marbles and says what he really thinks. When it comes down
to it, he really doesn't believe in the rule of law, only about partisan
fighting. If Republicans commit crimes, it's a witch hunt, if
Democrats do or say anything, it's horrible.This
"apology" is probably from a staffer who is trying to help save his
legacy. Will Orrin spout off again, requiring further
"Hillary - the worst, most corrupt candidate ever in the history of the
nation"Oh just wait PP - Eagle Mountain, UT, you haven't
seen anything yet. I hope you're young enough to watch this play out over
the course of the next 5 years. I was one who detests Trump but
somewhat leery of what would come from the different legal inquiries. All my
doubts were squashed the last couple of weeks. It's plain now that legal
web surrounding Trumps organizations (business and campaign) is extensive and
tight. This was a small group of people engaged in all of the activities under
investigation and that Trump was at the center of it all. Legal
circles are being careful to not engage in tabloid sensationalism by
inappropriately naming Trump until necessary, but it's obvious from filings
and conversations of the convicted that nothing went on without Trump's ok.
Again this was a very small group of people.
@imsmarterthanyou - Dec. 14, 2018 2:39 p.m.Hatch is irresponsible
for saying this. He should just go away and stop bashing the best president in
over 100 years.-----That is inaccurate. The current titular
head of our country's government is in no way "the best president in
over 100 years -- by his actions and the level of his corruption he's not
even worthy to be called a president. Individual 1 (aka trump in the Court
filings in the Southern District of New York) deserves a lot more criticism and
investigation than he has so far received, and the way Hatch pandered to him in
the first statement that was criticized is unconscionable. His second statement
wasn't much better, and also deserves criticism. We deserve better than
both Hatch and Individual 1.
@fixitmama - Raymore, MODec. 14, 2018 10:16 p.m.Mr. Hatch's
first remarks were so troubling. And his "clarification" didn't do
much to convince me. Given his words, and the actions of this president, (and
let's throw in Hillary Clinton's behavior as well) it makes one wonder
if there is anyone in Washington D.C. representing us that can be trusted to
take the moral high ground? Where are all the servants of the people that are
really there to do the right thing? When I helped Hatch on his first campaign
all those years ago, I had no idea what he would become. We really must enact
term limits!!---You're forgetting Senator Flake. He spoke out
for what is right and for the people of the United States. We need more people
in office like him.=====@DN Subscriber - Dec. 14, 2018 5:49 p.m.Trump has done some great things, as Hatch noted, and he need not back away
from that. He . . . he should also point out the unprecedented level of
incessant attacks on Turmp and investigations and allegations precipitated by
hyper partisans with no credibility.---turmp has not suffered
unprecedent attacks. The people investigating him have a lot of credibility.
They are not hyper partisans
Hatch's supposed imprudent comment: "You know, you can make anything a
crime under the current laws; if you want to you can blow it way out of
proportion, you can do a lot of things,”Isn't that true? Was
Hatch exaggerating? Was he asserting that charging political opponents with
"criminal malfeasance" is common partisan political rhetoric? Example:
Rep Maxine Waters (D-California) says President Trump should be impeached,
implying a crime was committed, but what is the crime? Trump may not be a pillar
of moral rectitude, but what is his crime?
Hey Orrin - you are "out" of the swamp - you can now say anything you
want without upsetting other's feelings - except Joy Behar and those
determined to find something, anything negative about President Trump. Go ahead, let it fly - after all those eons of "service" to the
people of Utah, it probably felt pretty good until someone was
"offended". Oops - some things never change, do they?
What he thought and what he said.... first probably the same thing. But like
most people, they don't always say what they believe, because it isn't
appropriate. A judge gets defendants in front of them every day that they
personally don't like. But they know the rule of law, so they keep those
personal feelings in check. Hatch should have known how to keep his personal
beliefs separate from his official comments.This is like Hillary
when she told her daughter that she "believed" that Benghazi was part of
the anti-US riots that were going on in several cities in the middle east that
day. We all learned it was much more than that. But it was out there. We
spent millions of dollars in hearings trying to find out what she really knew,
when, and what it all meant. And in the end it didn't matter as much as
how it happened.Having hearings on if Hatch really doesn't care
about the rule of law would be bizarre. But that is what world we live in
because once you say something, it's never coming back. Hatch, with a few
days left probably really doesn't care - just wants to go home. But he
said it, and he will be judged by those statements for a long time.....
“OK but I don't care; all I can say is he's doing a good job as
president."He borrows an astronomical amount of money to spend
to stimulate the economy and this is a good job.AfterTrump was
elected I wrote Senator Hatch’s office asking for documentation of what
was the current national debt. The response was around eighteen trillion
dollars. Today after two years in office it stands around twenty one
trillion.I ask you which party is the party of “Big
@PP: "Are we really supposed to believe that after 2 years all they can come
up with are campaign finance laws?"Nope.You are not
really supposed to believe that after 2 years all they can come up with are
campaign finance laws.Oh no.Plenty of other charges are
being prepared and will be filed against Trump and his associates/family and
affiliated companies. Arising from the Mueller investigation, federal DoJ on NY
and DC, the State of NY, District of Columbia, and likely some foreign
jurisdictions. This is going to take years to fully unpack.So
don't worry. There will be more charges than just the apparent
campaign finance law violations. Lots more charges!
Mr. Hatch's first remarks were so troubling. And his
"clarification" didn't do much to convince me. Given his words, and
the actions of this president, (and let's throw in Hillary Clinton's
behavior as well) it makes one wonder if there is anyone in Washington D.C.
representing us that can be trusted to take the moral high ground? Where are all
the servants of the people that are really there to do the right thing? When I
helped Hatch on his first campaign all those years ago, I had no idea what he
would become. We really must enact term limits!!
The only reason Hatch walked it back was criticism of him. He meant every word
he said when talking to CNN, just as his president says what he really means in
unplanned and unscripted interactions. Hatch has proven over the years that he
only respects laws that protect his political party. In an eloquent showing of
partisanship, his actons have built a case his words can't change.
Over the past decade, Hatch has always been party before country, principle, or
rule of law.If he can't see the obvious campaign finance law
violation here, then it's probably best he retire. Nobody is
above the law.
Wait, Senator Hatch’s last speech was on lamenting the bitter partisan
divide and bitterness? Does he realize with his leadership in the senate for
decades that he is front and center in it?
You know - I am still unclear about what laws Trump is supposed to have
committed? Are we really supposed to believe that after 2 years all they can
come up with are campaign finance laws?If any of you really think
some grave crime has been committed you should be able to come up with something
to base your hate on. Is Trump an immoral man - almost certainly.
Is he a criminal - almost certainly not. No one who supports Trump
thinks he is a great moral character, but the other choice was Hillary - the
worst, most corrupt candidate ever in the history of the nation. And personal
morals aside, Trump is doing more to benefit the country than any president has
done in years.
One has to wonder what chutzpah it takes to say this: "Hillary Clinton
makes Trump look almost saintly because she has escaped all serious inquiry into
her actions."I doubt even Trump fans think he is saintly.
Rarely has the US elected someone devoid of ethics and seriously compromised by
foreign interests. Secondly, Mrs Clinton has been the favored pinata of the GOP
for decade. She has been deposed, sat in House committee hearings, and had FBI
investigations almost anytime she uses the bathroom. Followed by
this declaration: "he (Hatch) should also point out the unprecedented level
of incessant attacks on Turmp and investigations and allegations precipitated by
hyper partisans with no credibility."The Justice department and
the Special Prosecutor are all GOP led. The incessant "attacks" come
from the Press that continues to uncover so much of the Trump perfidy. And
anyway, half the time the allegations would be only a blip in the news, except
that Trump's tweety little fingers seemed compelled to lash out at any
perceived insult to his greatness. Trump is the perpetrator of much of the new
hoola-baloo. And besides, he has not credibility to begin with.
When Abraham Lincoln changed his mind he would say...”I’d like to
think that I was a little smarter than I was yesterday”. You have to give
Sen. Hatch kudos for coming out like this.
Yes, Senator Hatch. Your comment was very irresponsible. But, they were probably
very honest comments that reflected your loyalty to party over country and rule
of law. Your comment was also a reflection of what happens when someone is
allowed to stay in Washington too long. This is why we desperately need term
limits, campaign finance reform, and to drain the swamp. These things will have
to happen to save our democracy, freedoms, and our election process.
Hatch has been wishy washy all of his career, He is just going out in wishy
And so were his comments on the senate floor . In the early days he was very
Senator Hatch has been in Washington so long he has an incurable case of
political correctness if anyone even hints at disapproval of something he
says.Trump is a seriously flawed individual, and may well have
broken the law. His opponent, Hillary Clinton makes Trump look almost saintly
because she has escaped all serious inquiry into her actions.Trump
has done some great things, as Hatch noted, and he need not back away from that.
He need not praise Turmp as a moral role model, but he should also point out
the unprecedented level of incessant attacks on Turmp and investigations and
allegations precipitated by hyper partisans with no credibility.
"On Monday, Hatch told CNN that he didn't think Trump was involved in
any crimes and blamed Democrats for making it an issue."There it
is Mr. Hatch. You are part of that "loyalty to party" and wasting time
cutting each other down instead of running the country for the good of all the
Citizens and inhabitants of the United States of America.
First Hatch says his comments are “irresponsible” than keeps going
and says the same thing again!No one will remember your final speech
but only this comment. Quit defending this indefensible president.
Article: "Sen. Orrin Hatch says he regrets speaking 'imprudently'
and that his comments earlier this week about allegations against President
Donald Trump were 'irresponsible.'"Imprudently?
Irresponsible?Huh?Does Hatch not realize these are not
synonyms for "wrong", "mistaken", or "incorrect"?Of course he does.Which suggests he meant what he said and
merely regrets that he said it to a reporter. Does he really think
that these last comments will make people forget how he seemed okay exempting
Trump from the principles of right-and-wrong?All Hatch needed to say
was "What I said or implied was mistaken. Moral relativism is wrong"
and he'd be remembered for other things.
All he meant is that allegations of wrongdoing deserve due process--regardless
of how political and corrupt they may be. Of course, this is taken by critics
of the president as an abject surrender to their wishes to destroy President
Trump.However, the Mueller investigation should not be allowed to
"run its course." It is unconstitutional because it violates the
appointments clause of The Constitution. The special counsel is a senior
official having more authority than a United States Attorney. He cannot be
appointed by Rod Rosenstein without being confirmed by the Senate.
Additionally, Mr. Rosenstein violated the Department of Justices own rules by
not specifying a crime to be investigated. So, Senator Hatch is wrong to
conclude that this unconstitutional investigation should be allowed to "run
its course." Its been running for almost two years with no evidence of
Senator Hatch has cow towed and condoned ALL the malfeasance perpetuated from
the beginning till now and on into infinity and beyond. Whatever happened to
If Sen. Hatch still has the authority to vote on the bi-partisan criminal
justice bill to be voted on Monday, it will be an interesting test of his
interest in reducing the extended arm of the law as he appears to be in support
of. Will he vote to pass this law that goes some ways towards reducing the
severe mandated punishments that he seems to be trying to offer President Trump
so he can avoid crimes that apparent Sen. Hatch says are too strict.
What was the crime?
Hush already, Orrin. Too many excuses, and you might just lose that medal!
OK Mr. Hatch....Whatever?
Sen. Orrin Hatch says his comments about Trump allegations were
'irresponsible'===== The trouble is, Sen. Orrin Hatch meant what he said -- He really "doesn't care"
if Trump breaks the laws.His actions speak louder than words...His
complicit actions of doing nothing about Trump speak for themself.Good Bye & Good riddance, Mr. 30 years too late...
I’m afraid Sen. Hatch’s “irresponsible” comments reflect
what he has become. The repair attempt doesn’t cut it.
Good for Hatch for owning this mistake. Trump supporters have to
know the end is near when Orrin Hatch is trying to distance himself from
Donald.Nixon is suddenly looking like only a slightly flawed
For the last few decades it sure has seemed like Sen. Hatch was more in love
with the GOP, himself and even the well being of trump more than he ever loved
the United States, which is sad and wrong. My hope is for lawmakers
who believe the Constitution is more important than protecting the president and
if the president breaks laws to become president, he needs to be held
accountable. I can't see why that is too much to ask.
Hatch is irresponsible for saying this. He should just go away and stop bashing
the best president in over 100 years.
Good to hear that on second thought, Hatch realized that a president committing
a crime would indeed be a problem, even if you agreed with the president's
political policies. I'm still surprised, though, that that wasn't
immediately obvious to Hatch.
""Earlier this week in an unplanned hallway interview with CNN, I made
comments about allegations against the president that were irresponsible and a
poor reflection on my lengthy record of dedication to the rule of law,"
Hatch said in a statement."Yeah. After Hatch's staff, his
family and decent Americans told him he was way off base. He can't unring
that bell. Nor can he hide from "President Trump is the best President
I've ever served under". People will always remember Hatch by that.