Joseph Kennedy paid ladies off to pave the way
for JFK and the Clinton machine did the exact same thing
The scrutiny
of Trump is a whole different level.. and let’s face it... his supporters
knew he was no angel
banliberalsBountiful, UT
Dec. 14, 2018 10:39 p.m.
Prometheus Platypus - Orem, UT Dec. 14, 2018 4:28 p.m. banliberals
said: "@ Promethus Platypus You left out a couple....or did you do it
intentionally?"
Nope, I specifically mentioned the executive
branch. Or we could just list corrupt politicians, in which case I believe
the GOP is still champions.
Well then, you would be wrong......
Move on.org claims 82% of all criminals in Prison today are democrats
and deserve to vote......Disenfranchised voters
Democrats according
to wikipedia lead GOP in elected officials prosecuted by better than two to
one.......
We are the champions......Queen!
Prometheus PlatypusOrem, UT
Dec. 14, 2018 4:28 p.m.
banliberals said: "@ Promethus Platypus You left out a couple....or did you
do it intentionally?"
Nope, I specifically mentioned the
executive branch. Or we could just list corrupt politicians, in which case
I believe the GOP is still champions.
Mackenzie IwamotoBronx, NY
Dec. 14, 2018 3:45 p.m.
One of the difficulties addressing the issue of Donald Trump "knowing hush
money payments are wrong" is, does if he believes anything he does is wrong.
Trump "sees" wrong only in what others do in opposition of what he
wants. However, he has said that the never does anything wrong himself. He
claims he requires a lawyer or adviser, to tell him that something he wants to
do is wrong. Nonetheless, he reserves the right to ignore whatever they say if
it works to his advantage.
Now we have to decide, can Trump tell
right from wrong and is this sufficient to absolve him of blame? Of course, we
believe if you rob a bank, you should know that it is wrong to rob banks.
Similarly, if you loan your car to someone who is going to rob a bank, you are
as guilty as the person who robs the bank. This is just a ruse for Trump to
avoid responsibility for whatever he does. For him, it is always someone
else's fault.
Ignorance of the law, as has been established many
times, is not sufficient to avoid responsibility for one's actions. There
are degrees of complicity, but the timing and secrecy of an action often
indicated people know what they are doing is wrong. Trump knows exactly what he
does.
banliberalsBountiful, UT
Dec. 14, 2018 3:32 p.m.
@ Promethus Platypus
You left out a couple....or did you do it
intentionally?
Anthony Weiner (D-NY)[5] was convicted of sending
sexually explicit photos of himself to a 15-year-old girl and was made to sign
the sexual offenders register. (2017)[6] Corrine Brown (D-FL) was convicted
on 18 felony counts of wire and tax fraud, conspiracy, lying to federal
investigators, and other corruption charges. (2017)[7][8] Chaka Fattah
(D-PA) was convicted on 23 counts of racketeering, fraud, and other corruption
charges. (2016)[9]
SMcloudSandy, UT
Dec. 14, 2018 1:54 p.m.
Donald Trump spins so many lies, it's hard to keep them straight.
No one should be above the law. No one.
Prometheus PlatypusOrem, UT
Dec. 14, 2018 1:44 p.m.
From 1968 the GOP 28 years in the executive branch Dem 20 years in
the executive branch
Criminal indictments GOP 120 Dem 3
Criminal Convictions GOP 89 Dem 1
Prison
sentences GOP 34 Dem 1
Trumps investigation so far: 192
criminal charges against 36 people and entities, 7 guilty pleas, 4 people
sentenced, 1 convicted in a jury trial. Not all of these count as they only
pertain to his admin, but there's a pattern with the GOP/cons.
...and when you add in the Trumps administrations latest totals, it sure
appears as though one party has more affiliations with criminals and crimes.
This is one reason I don't trust republicans and their radio
support team.
Tolstoysalt lake, UT
Dec. 14, 2018 1:44 p.m.
Come ndering the number of high level business associates and political advisors
convictions and plea deals it is hard to conclude only if ne of two things
either Trump is completely incompetent or he is a criminal.
Utefan60, 00
Dec. 14, 2018 1:15 p.m.
at long last. . . - Kirksville , MO,
I sure believe the DOJ, the FBI
and even Comey far more than the daily dishonesty that spews out of Trump's
regime. every single day.
If we are to throw all those that are
lying then the whole Trump empire would be in jail......oh that's right
they are. They are being convicted little by little by Mueller and others.
Mad HatterSanta Fe, NM
Dec. 14, 2018 12:59 p.m.
There were three people in the room when Donald Trump sought assistance in
keeping his extramarital affairs out of the news which might harm his campaign.
There was Michael Cohen, his personal lawyer and fixer. There was David Peck#r
of the National Enquirer, who was asked how he might help to contain the story.
And there was Trump.
Trump denies what the other two have testified
to the special prosecutor. Also, the story Trump first stated kept changing and
this series of changes is documented from when he initially denied knowing it
when asked by a reporter on Air Force One to now where he says that Cohen acted
on his own.
There was a meeting and two of the three participants
give a similar rendition of what occurred while the third give a completely
different explanation. Also, while Cohen and Peck#r have been consistent, Trump
has been all over the place in his explanation of what happened in the
meeting.
And then there is Stormy Daniels and the recorded telephone
conversation where Cohen is giving Trump and update on the progress in paying
off the porn star. Some may deny it was Trump's voice, but all agree it was
Cohen. Sounds like the 'Access Hollywood' tape.
Impartial7DRAPER, UT
Dec. 14, 2018 12:03 p.m.
No major decisions happen in Trump's circle without him calling the shots.
The "very stable genius" knows better than all his employees, they
can't possibly make important moves without his stamp of improvable.
I'm betting Cohen's tapes will back him up. Trump will claim, like he
did with the "gram 'em by......." tape, that that wasn't his
voice. Nobody but the most indoctrinated believe Trump anymore.
Lia, 00
Dec. 14, 2018 11:40 a.m.
trump knew good and well about all of it. He controls EVERYTHING in his
camp. Nobody freelances or goes rogue...trump calls all the shots. And
he will pay...and right soon. Forget about 2 terms. He may not last 2
more months.
Utah Girl ChroniclesEagle Mountain, UT
Dec. 14, 2018 11:39 a.m.
Catherine Lucey is a brilliant reporter. If Trump hadn't flat-out lied to
her on Air Force One when she asked whether he was aware of Cohen's
payments to Stormy Daniels, the feds might not have raided Cohen's offices
two or three days later.
An old Rick Pitino quote comes to mind:
"When you have a problem, if you tell the truth, the problem becomes part of
your past. If you lie, it becomes part of your future. "
This is
part of Trump's present now and it will affect his future.
at long last. . .Kirksville , MO
Dec. 14, 2018 11:25 a.m.
Sure, I believe Cohen, sure, I do. Don't you? Just like I believe Comey,
and McCabe, and the other FBI agents in the cabal up top. Throw them all in
prison for lying under oath.
Michael Cohen claims Trump knew hush money payments wrong
The payoffs were business as usual for Trump
He probably didn’t think it was an issue
Joseph Kennedy paid ladies off to pave the way for JFK and the Clinton machine did the exact same thing
The scrutiny of Trump is a whole different level.. and let’s face it... his supporters knew he was no angel
Prometheus Platypus - Orem, UT
Dec. 14, 2018 4:28 p.m.
banliberals said: "@ Promethus Platypus You left out a couple....or did you do it intentionally?"
Nope, I specifically mentioned the executive branch.
Or we could just list corrupt politicians, in which case I believe the GOP is still champions.
Well then, you would be wrong......
Move on.org claims 82% of all criminals in Prison today are democrats and deserve to vote......Disenfranchised voters
Democrats according to wikipedia lead GOP in elected officials prosecuted by better than two to one.......
We are the champions......Queen!
banliberals said: "@ Promethus Platypus You left out a couple....or did you do it intentionally?"
Nope, I specifically mentioned the executive branch.
Or we could just list corrupt politicians, in which case I believe the GOP is still champions.
One of the difficulties addressing the issue of Donald Trump "knowing hush money payments are wrong" is, does if he believes anything he does is wrong. Trump "sees" wrong only in what others do in opposition of what he wants. However, he has said that the never does anything wrong himself. He claims he requires a lawyer or adviser, to tell him that something he wants to do is wrong. Nonetheless, he reserves the right to ignore whatever they say if it works to his advantage.
Now we have to decide, can Trump tell right from wrong and is this sufficient to absolve him of blame? Of course, we believe if you rob a bank, you should know that it is wrong to rob banks. Similarly, if you loan your car to someone who is going to rob a bank, you are as guilty as the person who robs the bank. This is just a ruse for Trump to avoid responsibility for whatever he does. For him, it is always someone else's fault.
Ignorance of the law, as has been established many times, is not sufficient to avoid responsibility for one's actions. There are degrees of complicity, but the timing and secrecy of an action often indicated people know what they are doing is wrong. Trump knows exactly what he does.
@ Promethus Platypus
You left out a couple....or did you do it intentionally?
Anthony Weiner (D-NY)[5] was convicted of sending sexually explicit photos of himself to a 15-year-old girl and was made to sign the sexual offenders register. (2017)[6]
Corrine Brown (D-FL) was convicted on 18 felony counts of wire and tax fraud, conspiracy, lying to federal investigators, and other corruption charges. (2017)[7][8]
Chaka Fattah (D-PA) was convicted on 23 counts of racketeering, fraud, and other corruption charges. (2016)[9]
Donald Trump spins so many lies, it's hard to keep them straight.
No one should be above the law. No one.
From 1968 the
GOP 28 years in the executive branch
Dem 20 years in the executive branch
Criminal indictments
GOP 120
Dem 3
Criminal Convictions
GOP 89
Dem 1
Prison sentences
GOP 34
Dem 1
Trumps investigation so far: 192 criminal charges against 36 people and entities, 7 guilty pleas, 4 people sentenced, 1 convicted in a jury trial. Not all of these count as they only pertain to his admin, but there's a pattern with the GOP/cons.
...and when you add in the Trumps administrations latest totals, it sure appears as though one party has more affiliations with criminals and crimes.
This is one reason I don't trust republicans and their radio support team.
Come ndering the number of high level business associates and political advisors convictions and plea deals it is hard to conclude only if ne of two things either Trump is completely incompetent or he is a criminal.
at long last. . . - Kirksville , MO,
I sure believe the DOJ, the FBI and even Comey far more than the daily dishonesty that spews out of Trump's regime. every single day.
If we are to throw all those that are lying then the whole Trump empire would be in jail......oh that's right they are. They are being convicted little by little by Mueller and others.
There were three people in the room when Donald Trump sought assistance in keeping his extramarital affairs out of the news which might harm his campaign. There was Michael Cohen, his personal lawyer and fixer. There was David Peck#r of the National Enquirer, who was asked how he might help to contain the story. And there was Trump.
Trump denies what the other two have testified to the special prosecutor. Also, the story Trump first stated kept changing and this series of changes is documented from when he initially denied knowing it when asked by a reporter on Air Force One to now where he says that Cohen acted on his own.
There was a meeting and two of the three participants give a similar rendition of what occurred while the third give a completely different explanation. Also, while Cohen and Peck#r have been consistent, Trump has been all over the place in his explanation of what happened in the meeting.
And then there is Stormy Daniels and the recorded telephone conversation where Cohen is giving Trump and update on the progress in paying off the porn star. Some may deny it was Trump's voice, but all agree it was Cohen. Sounds like the 'Access Hollywood' tape.
No major decisions happen in Trump's circle without him calling the shots. The "very stable genius" knows better than all his employees, they can't possibly make important moves without his stamp of improvable. I'm betting Cohen's tapes will back him up. Trump will claim, like he did with the "gram 'em by......." tape, that that wasn't his voice. Nobody but the most indoctrinated believe Trump anymore.
trump knew good and well about all of it.
He controls EVERYTHING in his camp.
Nobody freelances or goes rogue...trump calls all the shots.
And he will pay...and right soon.
Forget about 2 terms.
He may not last 2 more months.
Catherine Lucey is a brilliant reporter. If Trump hadn't flat-out lied to her on Air Force One when she asked whether he was aware of Cohen's payments to Stormy Daniels, the feds might not have raided Cohen's offices two or three days later.
An old Rick Pitino quote comes to mind: "When you have a problem, if you tell the truth, the problem becomes part of your past. If you lie, it becomes part of your future. "
This is part of Trump's present now and it will affect his future.
Sure, I believe Cohen, sure, I do. Don't you? Just like I believe Comey, and McCabe, and the other FBI agents in the cabal up top. Throw them all in prison for lying under oath.