Sad, what a great organization and an excellent outlet for so many young boys as
they approach manhood. NOTHING this organization teaches is out of bounds or
even approaches controversy. It simply teaches respect, love for the outdoors,
and a belief and hope for something more in everyone of us. Looks like the
lawyers and handful of bad actors win yet again. Sad
I imagine there will be many sponsors who are not willing to have their
donations going toward legal defense instead of programming for scouts. The
writing is on the wall. Thank you, BSA, for helping my boys and so many other
boys learn to do their duty to God and country. I'm sad it's come to
The Scouting Program went downhill a long, long time ago. Why? The
ultra-liberals groups protesting to their major donors on discrimination. Once one of there main source of income flow started to dry up, they caved.
They chased corporate america and got money flowing.Scouting
memberships started declining.Still ultra-liberals were outraged and
complained about gay scouts and leaders and they caved.Churches pulled out
and memberships declined quickly. The ultra-liberals were still not
satisfied and wanted total inclusion, they caved.The nail in the coffin
and the grave was in the process of being dug.More churches pulled and
others announced they were pulling, i.e The Church of Jesus Christ of latter day
Saints, Dec 31, 2019. One of the largest US sponsors of scouts.Their last
attempt, brought about by the ultra-liberals, combine girls and boys.Well,
look at what we have.A Bankrupt Organization. Also executives in UT
making over $200K didn't help either, as well as in other states. Boy
Scouts did this to themselves. Thank you formerly Boy Scouts of America
for destroying Lord Bayden Powell's organization. It took you 103 years 11
months and 18 days in the USA.
Impartial 7 - "This is what happens when you let religion infect a good
program."Seriously? Have you never studied the history of the
Scouting program?Lord Robert Baden Powell designed it to be a faith based
organization. All Scouts, at one time, were required to acknowledge belief in a
"higher power".BSA chose the easier wrong rather than the
harder right in pursuit of the almighty dollar. Ther were free to
choose, but are not free from the consequences of their choice.
Some posters appear to be happy that the BSA has fallen on hard times. I regret
that any such sentiment exists among us. The BSA was a good friend for a long
time. We can still be friends. I am saddened by their difficulties, and I wish
them well. Let's not kick a man when he is down, so to speak.
To "UtahBruin" I don't think you read the article. The new programs
have nothing to do with filing bankruptcy. It was lawsuits over abuse and
compensating victims.To "Impartial7 " you do realize that
without religion there never would have been Boy Scouts. It is too bad that you
can't see that it has been the BSA movement towards political correctness
and environmentalism that has killed it.
Maudine-When the main source of your funding (several Christian
churches) pull out of your program you don’t have money or backing to
fight the lawsuits. The two most certainly are related.Impartial-The relationship between religion and the BSA go back
muck longer than 40 years. The LDS church has been partners for over 100 years.
But you are right about one thing. When politics get involved, things go
south. And this is what happened. BSA allowed political correctness and
politics in general to invade their program.
We have several Eagle Scouts in our family. It has been a proud tradition. We
have devoted a lot of our time in the Cubbing and Scout programs.When scouting followed the world instead of their time-honored values and
morals, the whole thing started to crumble! With the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints pulling out of the BSA, the demise of this organization was
inevitable! They are one of the biggest sponsors.Thank you, BSA, for
when you had the backbone to stand up to PC liberals and didn't try to
please those who put pressure on you to TELL you who could be a part of this
program. Your fate awaits you!
Hope they can right the ship, the BSA does great things for youths...
This is totally unsurprising. Institutions and organizations which embrace
"political correctness," and try to be everything for everybody, often
end up not being much of anything for anybody.I was around during
the 1960s when several of the mainline Protestant denominations began traveling
the politically correct route, moving toward liberal political advocacy and
moral relativism. Since that time, they have experienced significant declines,
not only in percentages, but in absolute numbers -- some of them nearly in a
state of free fall. In the scriptures, it's called "Salt which has
lost its savor."Impartial7, No it wasn't religion that
infected a good program.
@Impartial7 - "This is what happens when you let religion infect
a good program."Your comment demonstrates that you don't
know anything about the founder of the Boy Scouts, Robert Baden-Powell or his
views. Let me quote him:"We aim for the practice of
Christianity in their everyday life and dealings, and not merely the profession
of theology on Sundays
BSA, with what little money you have left, maybe you can buy a backbone!
@Artemisia Tridentata. Dear Sagebrush: You are right on target. The problem
with two different church youth programs has been a source of unnecessary
confusion and expense for a long time and getting worse. Then when scouting
seemed to lose its own direction it hastened the precipitation of the
inevitable. The church's youth all over the world are going to be much
better off with one united program. Learning and growing is much more important
than getting awards and badges.
@Impartial7 - Actions taken 40+ years ago is what did them in? That's what
your sticking with?Is a bit ironic that that the Church was the
first partner to sponsor Scouting in the United States and that the sponsorship
may nearly outlast the organization.
Don't be sad folks. The BSA obviously did it to themselves, in a big way.
That soon to be defunct organization deserves what they get. Natural
consequences. As recommended, I am 100% behind the BSA through 2019 (if they
last that long). Then, after my being involved for 25+ years, the BSA (or Scouts
of America) will be out of my life forever. The Church has been unbelievably
generous to not pull out immediately, and to recommend Church members give the
BSA a full year plus of our 100% support. I am literally laughing out loud
that they may file bankruptcy. The BSA will soon be nothing more than a case
study in how to "stand for nothing" / "become a spineless
dinosaur" / "not listen to customers" and lose your organization. I
am super, super excited to the new global program soon to be introduced by the
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. It will be absolutely phenomenal!
Some of you seem to have missed a very important part of the story - the
bankruptcy is related to lawsuits for boys being molested by their male leaders
going back to well before the recent changes. Blame it on moral
turpitude all you want, but at least be honest about when the turpitude
How did religion bring about the demise of the BSA? Impartiallity has nothing in
common with your posts.
The stated reason for the Church ending its chartering organization relationship
with the Boy Scouts of America, is because they intend to develop another
program that is more appropriate for a World-Wide Church. To attribute any
other reason to their action is beyond the mark and out of line. Shame on you
posters declaring anything else. You are wrong.
Yup, political correctness and fear of taking a stand for moral rectitude did
the Boy Scouts of America in. How sad!
This is what happens when you let religion infect a good program. 40+ years ago,
scouting was about scouting. Learning how to be self sufficient in the outdoors.
Setting goals and reaching them (merit badges). Community programs, jubilees and
pinewood derbies. Then, politics and religion had to stick their noses in the
tent. Drove away a lot of families that wanted their boys to learn the
aforementioned skills, but without dogma. They ruined it themselves.
A scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient,
cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, reverent (and hungry). I have had that
memorized for 45 years. It means a great deal to me. I have tried to make it a
part of who I am. I feel bad that my grandsons will not know the
scouting program that played an important part in my youth and in my sons'
The BSA made several decisions to make themselves politically palatable, but
have made themselves irrelevant. The LDS Church was the main contributor to
keep the BSA financially sustainable, without that significant income the BSA is
bound to fail.This is a lesson of, "be careful what you ask
for... you may get it." The BSA's biggest draw was its requirements,
for members to maintain religious values, it has reduced those requirements, and
doesn't provide much benefit to strengthen the old Scout oath, or Law.It is now led by a committee with no courage, loyalty, nor thrift....
Let’s see, the BSA took a political and immoral direction that has caused
the Southern Baptists, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and now
the Catholic Church to close down and cut affiliation with the BSA, and they
wonder why. I guess their funding has colasped. Bye bye, this is what happens
when you succumb to the 1% over the 99%.
It’s a sinking ship that needed complete overhaul at least a decade ago.
I am a proud Eagle Scout of the old traditional Boy Scout program.Sad!Morally clean and honesty has been redefined.
The BSA sold its soulWhich is rather antithetical to the reason why
most parents want their child in scoutingAnd the downfall was
fast(but not really surprising)
It seems the scouts are having problems with both money coming in and also money
going out (from lawsuits, etc). On the money coming in side, it
seems the boy scouts made some political decisions that alienated one of their
biggest contributors of funds (the LDS church) and likely contributed to the
Church dropping scouting. In addition, other church partners/sponsors dropped
scouting several years ago (due mostly to increasingly "progressive"
stances on various social issues) and started Trail Life USA. I'm waiting for all the liberal individuals and groups who are applauding
the various recent progressive decisions of the scouting organization to put
their money where their mouth is and increase donations to scouts. Or perhaps,
they just wanted to criticize them for some conservative principles and try and
get them to change (successfully) and then rejoice in their demise when the more
conservative groups realized that scouting had abandoned them and reciprocated.
I guess all those new ideas didn't work out like they had planned. This
program does not have much time left. Should have stayed true to who they were
instead of trying to be PC. Regardless, I have never liked or supported this
program over the last 20 years. It is not what it use to be. It used to be a
very well respected organization. That has gone by the way side with the
majority. Shame. Can't teach certain values and things and then try to
change and go against what you teach.