Ethanol is a toxic solvent that people consume because it makes them feel better
temporarily.It damages all the organs of the body and overdoses can be
fatal. People under the influence of it are unable to think logically and are
incapable of reasoning. It is addicting and people who become addicted to it are
called alcoholics, and can die if they abruptly stop using it.
"I can't, it's against my religion" That's
awesome. You do you."You can't, it's against my
Where's the support for the free market?Ahh I forgot. Utah is a
EDM - Not for nothing, but Heineken is 5% ABV, not 4%.
It's hard to believe that Walmart is doing solely for consumers'
choice. They have pulled many popular items when bowing to pressure from other
groups. The reality is if they can standardize the % then they can negotiate
tougher with bigger companies. If the % is abnormal, then it makes it hard for
Walmart to strong arm a niche company & thereby lose out on profits. I
admit Utah liquor laws are strange in comparison but there is still plenty of
ways do get your alcohol. Who knows but maybe home delivery of alcohol is
around the corner a kin amazon-be it state controlled or a private company.To those who have live elsewhere saying that States don't run
liquor stores haven't lived in Virginia or North Carolina.
Utah would also do well to switch over to the more common measurement - alcohol
by volume (ABV), instead of alcohol by weight (ABW). Almost no one measures ABW
as Utah does, so Utah just confounds people unneccesarily. Moreover, what most
people don’t understand is that a 3.2%ABW is 4%ABV. (So if I buy a
Heinekin in Wyoming with 4%ABV on the label, it is NO different from the same
bottle of Heinekin purchased in Utah.)For a state that relies
heavily on tourism, you would think that we would want the world to know that
3.2% is really 4%. - which, by the way, is a very normal, standard ABV for beer
all around the world.
That's fine. Walmart can share their opinion, and everyone is entitled to
their own as well. Being different, especially in this category,
isn't necessarily a bad thing at all.
"kaysvillecougar - KAYSVILLE, UTDec. 13, 2018 3:54 p.m.Can
someone explain to me why a beer maker wouldn't make 3.2% alcohol beer if
it sells? Even if it's only offered in Utah and Minnesota, why not make a
profit?"Sure. Because it's more labor intensive and more
expensive to filter natural alcohol content of beer down to 3.2%. It's just
not worth the expense for one state-one that has the lowest drinkers in the
country. Forming a business model to sell more expensive product to the smallest
market in the US is not a winning business plan.
Can someone explain to me why a beer maker wouldn't make 3.2% alcohol beer
if it sells? Even if it's only offered in Utah and Minnesota, why not make
a profit? Unless the higher alcohol content gives a bigger buzz. And the bigger
buzz leads to more consumption, so I guess trying to strong arm the last two
states is in the big beer makers' financial interest. Most of us have no
problem with people consuming modest amounts of alcohol, but certainly less
alcohol consumption in a community is better for that community, no? Why not
have a community that is more productive, with fewer medical problems and other
problems associated with overconsumption? Now, if Coors and Budweiser shut their
production down, certainly, there will be a local beer company that would be
happy to make 3.2% beer which would be better for our local economy, no?
CoreyE33 - first, thank you for being willing to serve, kudos to you. Second,
it is outrageous to me that an 18 year old is supposedly of sound enough
judgement that they can sign away their life, commit to put their lives at
risk, and be responsible enough for their lives, as well as their fellow service
people - but can does not have the judgement enough to buy a beer or not. They
can do several tours of duty in Afghanistan.... but don't buy a beer with
that brat.18 year olds can go out in Utah and buy what ever weapon
they want. But not a beer at 18. This stuff needs to be reconciled. Either
raise the age of enlistment, or allow these people the same rights of judgement
as anyone else.The real solution to our problems lie in what you see
in Germany. Drunk driving and public intoxication carry serious penalties.
When in Hiedleburg, my coworkers never drove themselves to a night out. They
would take their cars home, and taxi'ed back, or walked. The fear of a
duI citation was just too big.We need laws that are consistent laws.
I don't drink because of a promise made. But that doesn't give me
the right to hold my neighbor to my promise. Odd place.
I think Utah should hold its ground. I also think Utah should work to shift more
to local retailers and away from enemies of Utah values such as Wal Mart.
@UtahBlueDevil,Thank's for the clarification. I've moved around a lot being prior military. Never seen a state ran
liquor store in any of the places I was stationed. Wine was sold in all
Walmart's, private liquor stores, and convenience stores.If
they do, or did, control alcohol it was not as restrictive as UT. There was a no sale on Sunday law down South. Stores ignored it because they
made more selling beer and liquor than it cost to pay the fine. The
Choctaw Tribe, back home, have their own rules that let them sell on Sunday in
some of the Southern states. That's kind of what I'm
getting at. I've never been this restricted in all the places I've
been. And I've been buying beer since I was 15.
Walmart cares about one thing only, their bottom line. If only specialty Brewers
provide the 3.2, Walmart has to pay more for it and will have to charge
customers more, which will cause them to go to the state liquor store for their
beer and Walmart will lose sales. Agree with the law itself or no, that's
what Walmart's campaign is about, nothing more or less.Personally, I think having less beer on the shelf and forcing drinkers to go
to the state liquor store if they want it will be a good thing. Alcohol is a
bad enough drug that the less it's used the better for everyone, especially
"WalMart says the goal is to provide customers with products they want.
Nope, that's nonsense. The goal for WalMart is to increase sales and thus
their profits. I think this is a really bad idea."Aren't
those two in the same. Is there some kind of group of beer drinkers that
"wants" the watered down stuff? I haven't seen any. Are there
groups of beer drinkers that want the same stuff available in 48 other
states.... pretty sure if they had a choice... they would.@CoreyE33
- your just a bit off. Lots of states have state run alcohol stores. I know
NC is one of them. Just for your clarification.Not a beer
drinker, so I don't really care. But there is a bit of hypocrisy in a
state that wants to regulate beer to keep people safe, but is also seeking to
deregulate EPA standards so businesses can grow faster. Pollute Utah's
waters - if it provides jobs - thumbs up. Buying real beer at your grocery
store - that is a step too far my friend. Drive a pickup that has been
intentionally rigged to spew smoke - way to go buddy! It's all very
Now is a great time to open up Utah distribution to more of a free market
system. Idaho has State control, but allows wine and beer to be sold in grocery
stores. The people of Idaho have not suffered in their experiment in the Free
Anonymous100 - Anywhere, UTDec. 13, 2018 12:16 p.m."WalMart says
the goal is to provide customers with products they want. Nope, that's
nonsense. The goal for WalMart is to increase sales and thus their profits. I
think this is a really bad idea."I'm guessing you're
one of the group that "eschews" the consumption of alcohol. The reason for changing the beer to "normal" beer is because the
manufacturers won't make 3.2% beer just because our overseers want it.Consumers want real beer. If the state doesn't change to meet
consumer, rather than legislature demand, Utah will be missing out on a whole
lot of tax money. That money goes to feed school lunches to students, including
the children of the group that "eschews" alcohol.It's
ironic that the legislators have given us a .05% "impaired" limit while
driving. People that don't know anything about a product shouldn't be
in charge of the product.
Perspective: No other states control alcohol. That I know of.
Parishes/county's can be dry and not sell any alcohol. That's a church
thing as well. The state or the church doesn't dictate. The people do. You can get any alcohol on base. Any. You can ask if they don't
have it. They will order it for you.Please stop forcing the rest of
us to live by the churches standards. We don't want them. It
limits businesses that can come in. Smaller companies can't afford to brew
a completely different batch of beer just for UT. We all live here.
Together. Let's give each other the space, respect, & tolerance needed
to make Utah a better place for all of us.
@Anonymous100 - Anywhere, UTDec. 13, 2018 12:16 p.m.WalMart says the
goal is to provide customers with products they want. Nope, that's
nonsense. The goal for WalMart is to increase sales and thus their profits. I
think this is a really bad idea."Yeah, and to increase sales and
profits, losing beer sales will hurt their bottom line. If beer makers
discontinue 3.2 beer, because Utah is the only state left to sell it, Walmart,
grocery stores and convenience stores won't have a product to sell. This is
a smart idea.
WalMart says the goal is to provide customers with products they want. Nope,
that's nonsense. The goal for WalMart is to increase sales and thus their
profits. I think this is a really bad idea.