Too close for comfort: Groups say oil and gas leases jeopardize pristine public lands in Utah

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  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2018 10:25 a.m.

    @Prometheus Platypus
    Nice try - but it was environmental extremists who ran out the clock with Bishop Utah Land Initiative compromise because they knew they had an ace in the whole with Obama.. Now the intransigence has come back to bite them

    As for you patronizing "He refused to even meet with "These groups" or locals who were against his promising Our Lands to highest bidder."

    That is quite the mischaracterization since the lands that were proposed for release to being leased were primarily in the Uinita basin NOT around national parks. Indeed most of the area now not part of Bears Ears would have been in a conservation district, Dinosaur would have been a national park, Goblin Valley would have been the recipient of traded out state lands making the state park larger, the Cleveland quarry in the San Rafael Swell would have been a national monument and so would have been Bears Ears (although closer to its existing size)

    But yes; the fact is that Obama "set aside less land then Bishop recommended", but the envirofundamentalist worship of a messianic Obama leads them to "blame the wrong guy" AND get them less land protection.

  • DGA28 Monticello, UT
    Dec. 11, 2018 9:56 p.m.

    Playtypus
    Don't forget the inconvenient truth that Pelosi and Reid declared any public land initiative presented by Bishop as "dead on arrival." You know the intellectual giants that said things like "pass it and then we'll read to see what it says", and "sure I lied about it, but it worked didn't it-President Obama got another 4 years".

    So you can't drill or explore in national parks/monuments, etc. and now if you stand somewhere in a park or monument and, using binoculars, you can't drill or explore as far as you can see because it ruins the landscape but we put up hundreds of windmills that stand 400' high and they enhance the landscape. Never understood that thought process.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Dec. 11, 2018 9:33 p.m.

    The perpetual complainers are what local city planners often refer to as CAVEmen or "Citizens Against Virtually Everything."

    If these parcels are "too close" to some sensitive or scenic area, these people would have a lot more credibility by suggesting alternate locations where they could support energy development. How far, in which direction do we need to move not to be too close?

    If, however, as I suspect is the case, there is no place that acceptable for energy development, no place where these folks would support responsible, modern extraction of energy resources, then they should be honest and stop complaining about various locations being "too close" to something or another. They should tell us to stop all development.

    Of course, that kind of honesty might not sell as well as pretending to only be concerned about a few locations that are just always and conveniently "too close" to something.

    So come on. Those who are opposed to these leases, what locations in Utah can you support for energy development? Locations please.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Dec. 11, 2018 4:25 p.m.

    Counter Intelligence said: "If any of these groups would have actually worked with Rep Bishop on the Utah Public Lands Initiative - instead of relying on Obama's theatrics - much of that land would be in a conservation area (or monument or national park or state park - or consciously released by congress)

    Nice try, but it was Bishop who ran out the clock while collecting checks from hydrocarbon and other extractive corporations.

    He refused to even meet with "These groups" or locals who were against his promising Our Lands to highest bidder.

    Obama gave him every chance but as time ran out, because Bishop dropped the ball, Obama acted, and in fact set aside less land then Bishop recommended, but the GOP's hatred of all things Obama they and you blame the wrong guy.

  • drich Green River, Utah
    Dec. 11, 2018 3:27 p.m.

    Driven to California many times and some places all I see is windmill destroying the mountain side and not even producing any energy. Not turning at all.

  • drich Green River, Utah
    Dec. 11, 2018 3:21 p.m.

    I would like to see how far wind and solar energy can the environmentalists. Then we could laugh at such nonsense.

  • WeThePeople Sandy, UT
    Dec. 11, 2018 3:15 p.m.

    This is why we shouldn't have public lands in Utah.

    If the land was private, people could put their money where their mouth is. Don't like someone drilling for oil? Fine! Just buy the land.

    That would mean that the land and resources went to the most valuable people!

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 11, 2018 2:51 p.m.

    To hear the wilderness advocates tell it they will strip mine every scenic spot and put an oil well right under Delicate Arch. Apparently they have never seen places where modern energy development has taken place and the permanent equipment is hardly noticeable, although temporary drilling rig presence can be ugly for a few weeks. Among the millions of acres being leased there is plenty of room for energy supplies and human recreation and wildlife habitat to coexist.
    Now, get in your coal powered cars and go protest somewhere else.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2018 2:43 p.m.

    Ironically
    If any of these groups would have actually worked with Rep Bishop on the Utah Public Lands Initiative - instead of relying on Obama's theatrics - much of that land would be in a conservation area (or monument or national park or state park - or consciously released by congress)

    These so-called environmental groups have reaped what they sowed

    environmental extremism - like most extremism - facilitates what it claims to despise

  • Thinkin\' Man Rexburg, ID
    Dec. 11, 2018 2:17 p.m.

    Do those wanting to stop the sales have any environmental impact studies to back up their assertions? Any scientific study done in SE Utah? Oil & gas wells are safely located in wildlife refuges, farms, orchards, wetlands, and neighborhoods all around the country. They're not the boogie man asserted.

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2018 1:51 p.m.

    Look what's on our License plates!

    I don't see any oil wells or coal mines on there! Is that what greed-driven "leaders" want?

    Don't answer that.