Re 1covey Salt Lake City“How many female or nonwhite
representatives to Congress have the Utah Democrats put forward ?”Please correct me if I am wrong but was not Stewart’s opponent
female?Was not Hatch’s Senate opponent female?Question
for the day. Which political party in Utah has had the most female candidates
for Federal campaigns?And who did the Utah voters vote for?
“such as her effort to make contraceptives available over the
counter.”How did the above comment by Mia Love flynin Utah
I have always admired the courage and candor of Mia Love. President Trumps
comments on Mia were inappropriate and politically ridiculous. She hadn’t
even lost election. Republicans lost an effective and needed voice in Congress.
She should continue to speak up and lead on minority women’s issues.
SunDevilCoog - West Jordan, UT---...the GOP was about the middle
class and were typically faith-based people. Now the GOP is just a reaction to
Obama's socialist agenda. Problem is there are a lot of conservative people
that are compassionate and that care about the country regardless of race and
gender.---Because right there with 'Obama's
socialist agenda', you have discredited yourself as
'compassionate', or 'caring about the country'.The programs that have been proposed in the US since before the New Deal, that
have been targeted by conservatives, have never been 'socialist' at
all. Socialism is not a few programs paid for by taxes to help those in need.Socialism rests on state ownership of the means of production. Name one
company that has been 'taken' by the Federal government in the US,
ownership stripped from their former private individuals. Even the Auto and
Financial bailouts of the 2008/2009 era were not turned into 'state'
owned companies. Stockholders continued ownership, but did have to take measures
to return to solvency based on government 'bail out' funds.Obamacare worked in the context of privately owned insurance companies.
@MacD and we all see how well Trump's support for McSally went didn't
MiaTrump offerered to help you the final week of the campaign and you said
No. Trump was in Elko Nevada a couple hundred miles away, for crying out
loud, the week before you lost by 700 votes. Your poor judgement cost you
your seat in congress. Don’t try and blame anyone else.
Mia, Trump did not mock you! He told the truth, Mia gave me no Love!Mia I
am white and I along with millions of other people of every,
“WHATEVER” black, orange, yellow or whatever, race, religion or
whatever, work everyday to do our best to stop all discrimination. Then people
who lose or make their living by saying everyone hates or doesn’t
understand the black, “ whatever” or The. Muslim what ever. We the
people are sick of being accused of doing or not doing whatever!!? When it is
not True!WE are tired of the false accusations. Really!
I am a bit disappointed. I know Mia can do better. Truth is her campaign was
weak. In a rough and tumble campaign, McAdams had a few spots showing him with
his family, A perfect foil to a negative campaign. Mia needed to have used the
same foil; she didn't. She lost by a smidgen. Again, I say, Mia, get your
feet back on the ground. To others, if Mia was Utah Republican token, at
least she was something. Utah Democrats didn't even have that much. How
many female or nonwhite representatives to Congress have the Utah Democrats put
It's to late to have an opinion now. You had your chance.
Gildas:"Interesting also all these people who think Mr Trump just
doesn't understand this or that or anything. Fact is he won the
presidential election without any background in politics and easily and at the
first try. He now is popular with more and more people almost daily because he
actually does understand and actually gives the people, not the powerful
lobbyists, what they want."That is hilariously wrong. You are
really going with 'more and more people, not the powerful lobbyists, what
they want'? Wow. His entire white house (well those still there, half are
already gone) is composed of lobbyists and unqualified billionaires. The swamp
is worse than ever.bemorefair:"@Impartial7Are you saying old white people are devoid of compassion? You are essentially
saying that only minorities and women are capable of compassion.
Unbelievable."Right. You could only say that if you have
actually watched what they have collectively done for the last 100 years. They
have compassion...for themselves. And their votes have shown it.
Sounds like somethings may be contagious. This was an interesting experiment. Go
to Congress as conservative GOP minority, join the Congressional Black Caucas
which was a first, then something negative happens to you and it’s all
about your race and gender. Amazing!
Mia, I voted for you, rooted for you. But this claim is off the charts. Trump
is Trump. His interactions have absolutely nothing to do with minorities nor
women. You could not be more wrong. And the Republican party embraces women,
embraces minorities as far as that goes.You lost because of Mia, not
President Trump. And to start playing the victim game is not becoming of you.
That is the game Dems play, not Republicans.
She joined a party that has been horrible for refugees, black people, and women
and is just now finding it out. Weird.
Dear Mia, You ran a bad campaign. Whoever advised you should have been fired.
Although I voted for you I am now embarrassed that you are now pulling out the
race card. Your own inadequacies got you fired.I really believe
that had you embraced our president and asked for his help you would have
won.Quit whining and leave please.
Where was all this criticism for Trump and the GOP before she lost? Now it just
rings like hollow sour grapes, blaming others rather than taking responsibility.
It's really quite disappointing. I had hoped Mia was above such a thing. To
lose an election and then to sacrifice your dignity in this way is just really
Loyalty to party over loyalty to country is fanaticism and extremism.
Mia: Perhaps you do not understand what President Trump has brought about for
all minorities and women. Perhaps time to think less about yourself and more
about others who have been lifted out of poverty and unemployment. Almost 4
million people are no longer on food stamps because they have a job. It is
possible that you don't get it but he actually does. Try reading the
Bureau of Labor Statistics.Jobs as of November 6, 2018The
unemployment rate has dropped to 3.7 percent, its lowest point since 1969.
Unemployment among African-Americans, Asian-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, and
Americans without college degrees have all reached record lows under the Trump
I voted against Mia because she was a poor representative. But I'm trying
to understand where she's coming from.The most generous
interpretation of her words that i can make is this: in a round about way,
she's simply saying that, in the white Male dominated GOP, she was just a
token minority. They liked having her because it made them look
"diverse", but they never fully embraced her as a black woman, never
"brought her home".That's not playing the race card.
It's pointing out a fact about the GOP. I get that. Let's hope the
party leaders get it!
Just Go away Mia. You represented our state and accomplished nothing. Time to
I don't understand my wife... I just nod my head, and say, "yes
Ma'am!" In many ways, I agree with Mia. We can all do a
better job understanding each other, and Trump is the Republican Party's
biggest liability.But in many ways, she is blaming the Republican
Party for allowing a Democrat to beat her. McAdams ran a better campaign, and
Trump's idiocy probably cost Mia the election.In the last
election, if the Democrats had some legitimate moderate candidates they could
have picked up a couple more seats.
After winning two elections why does Love choose to bring out the race card
now? Race does not seem to be the reason she lost at all. After two terms in
office the voters have a good idea of what their representative is like. A loss
for the third run tends to be based more on the voters perception of the
candidates performance while in office. As the article said, now is the time
to move on and be a bigger voice out o office than when in office. The choice
is Mia's alone.
The more she says, the worse she is making things. If she wants to be
in office again, she needs to quit criticizing fellow republicans.
Mia Love just does not get it. Her voting record shows that she doesn't
get it. You can't tell your constituents that you will not vote for
Boehner and then your first vote in congress is for Boehner. Many more examples
Thank you for your service, Mia. Now, please tell us exactly what Mr. Obama did
for minority women. Or for minority men, which is just as important. I look
forward to your response. From my vantage point I observed Mr. Obama doing
nothing to advance the cause, but rather doing just the opposite, something
today's data supports.I know there are many issues that face
our political representatives, be it local or national. Given that, it seems
only fair that you address the efforts of our current president's
predecessor based on whatever solid data you use to judge the efforts of
President Trump. I hope to see you in office again as you strive to
help our nation through some troubling times.Happy holidays,
You've said enough Mia. You're beginning to look like a sore loser
playing that same old blame game the othes guys can't stop playing.
Don't be bitter. Be better than that. Seriously, not a good look. It's
time to walk away now. Be grateful for the time you had. Enough is enough.
Mia,Please attempt to conjure up enough savvy and strength to realize that
you are quickly hurting your chances at future Politics as well as outside
Political world opportunities.Look, I, my friends and tens of
thousands others all voted for you. But you continue to sound like a teenager
with outrage against both Trump and the GOP. Honestly, you do!I'm honestly fearful that if you do not soon change your speech, which
seldom occurs with most people's persona's, that your very likely
forever ruining your chances to re-ignite with the GOP association again!
Boy oh boy it's hard to comment sometimes. First, my comment was sent to
feedback (?) and now my second is on hold? I didn't say anything
inappropriate.I probably said some things Republicans don't want to hear,
though.I said the GOP women problem is more than the tweets.
It's everything Trump does and says, and a congress who will not hold him
accountable. Women like me did the only reasonable thing to do and left the GOP.
If it wants them back (and I doubt it does) it has to make drastic changes, and
that starts with a 2020 nominee who is not Trump.
Mia - please - don’t become a bitter anti-Trumper. Ugh ... just meld back
in to your private life graciously.
To all the folks who are bashing Mia in this thread, she had to buck a very
strong anti Trump wave in suburban congressional districts all over the country.
The Republicans lost every seat they held in L A and Orange Counties Ca, seats
in Oklahoma City, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and a number of other states. Mia
came out of Salt Lake County 20,000 votes behind and couldn't make up the
difference in Utah, Juab and Sanpete Counties. Her perception of Trump is spot
on, he has is only interested in women based on what they will give him. Trump
has not made much of an appeal to women and minorities, and his attacks on
Latin-American illegal aliens is very offensive to many U S citizens of Latin
Mia...The people of your very conservative district elected you to represent
them but you chose to be just another moderate, do nothing Republican. Bash
Trump and your former constituents all you want, but at least he is doing
exactly what he said he would do.
@LOU Montana -"Mia is proof of how Republicans only vote
Republican.Many Republicans have stated they would rather have Putin
running our country than Obama.Now they have their way."WowAs if Democrats always vote republican?And exactly which
Republicans say they want Putin?The Russian hysteria has officially jumped
the shark.Whatever flaws the Republicans have, it certainly does not stoop
to this level of inane.Mia's comments come across as sore
loser, particularly since she was elected twice - by Republicans; Does she
really believe the race baiting identity politics of the left are anything other
than patronizing; where is the criticism of patronization?
Mia--you lost because you were invisible to those people who constantly asked
you--and their message always went to voice mail or an assistant--- to represent
them...your constituents.You lost because you were not good for us.
I believe Mia only continues to damage herself with by making these claims.I would never vote for her again after these repeated tantrums as it appears
she was well on her way to being another member of the swamp.
Why do we expect politicians to address specific groups. How about addressing
the needs of people. Somewhere we have gotten lost and believe we have to
address issues that relate to very small groups of minorities instead of those
that are for the good of all. As a woman, I'm happy with the things the
GOP fights for on my behalf...as long as they are fighting. The constitution
covers everyone. Government needs to stick to the basics, keep their noses out
of our lives, and stop taking and redistributing our money to special interest
groups to get reelected. Fairly simple.
Mia, it's hard to teach Trump or anyone else when you lose your platform.
You lost your platform in one of the most conservative areas of the state
because you didn't give people a reason to vote for you. Since you were
elected twice please stop the race and woman card. Last I checked you were the
same race and gender when you were elected twice. The hardest thing in life is
to look inward to the reason you failed. Trump's not the issue, your
attitude toward those who voted for you and your voting record on issues they
cared about are.
@Impartial7Are you saying old white people are devoid of compassion?
You are essentially saying that only minorities and women are capable of
Yes, why DOES the gop bother with the so-called minority when women since women
are in the majority and greatly outnumber men and have all the laws and biases
in their favor. That type of thinking landed us up with May and Merkel
probably just because of their gender.Interesting also all these
people who think Mr Trump just doesn't understand this or that or anything.
Fact is he won the presidential election without any background in politics and
easily and at the first try. He now is popular with more and more people almost
daily because he actually does understand and actually gives the people, not the
powerful lobbyists, what they want.
The reaction here to Mia's comments is proof she's simply in the wrong
party... and also why the last election saw 28 GOP seats lost.With
Millenials, minorities and women increasingly engaged, Republicans are baffled
to understand why. As we clearly see here, all they can do is attack and
counter-attack. Mia, trying to help them understand is a waste of
time. It's like Tim Scott trying to explain to Trump that racism still
exists. It's a painful, fruitless attempt at reaching out.
Mia, why did you leave Haiti? Why did your parents? Because Haiti is one of the
most dangerous places on earth!! I would call many parts of the middle east and
also north Africa the same thing that the president called it. Actually talk to
service men and women and they will use much more "salty" language to
describe Haiti. Anyway -- just be glad you are in Saratoga Springs where you
don't have to worry about terrorists riding in the backs of pick ups with
AK47's blazing away. As far as the presidents comments toward why you lost
Mia, president Trump was 100% correct. I have heard many residents of Saratoga
Springs call in to talk shows locally and lets just say they weren't at all
happy with how you "didn't" support the president the past year. If
you would have followed the other GOP congressmen in Utah with their campaign
you would be enjoying your third term right now. They focused on all the good
the president has done such as the economy and following through on all of his
campaign promises and then some. You lost Mia because you didn't run a good
campaign. Period. Lesson learned.
Mia Love may be correct that race and sexism hurt her chances at the polls, but
I notice that she had little to say on the topic until she lost the election.
She ran as a Republican candidate and must have known that neither Trump nor her
party have ever demonstrated much concern about the interests of either
minorities and women.Given that Utahns were fine with electing her
before, I think it's quite likely that her loss was due to the fact that
she didn't accomplish much in office, that she ran afoul of the campaign
finance laws, and that she seemed to be more of a Republican puppet than someone
with her own solid values. I hope she's learned a valuable political
You would have not been elected twice if we the voters in your district are
racist. Now that we know what you truly think I doubt if you will ever be
Ms. Love is absolutely right on this observation. Trump lacks understanding,
compassion, and basic courtesy, not only for minority women but for other people
of whatever description you might designate. We need to choose a different
person to be President in 2020, regardless of whether that person is Republican
So in a nutshell, she is blaming Trump for her loss. Apparetnly he is not doing
enough which is why she lost and he makes statements about things. Oh and they
are apparently a little to brash for her. But from what I have heard from
Trump. What he says is true. It may not come out the way you want to hear it,
this even goes for me. But it's true. So she says these things instead of
taking responsibility for her own actions.And all these things that
she is saying that need to be done. Maybe if she had paid attention to these
things and worked on these things when she had her seat, she may have gotten
re-elected. This is on her, she blew it when she thought it was more important
to be Washington than the person she wants everyone else to be now. Pathetic.
And I voted for her.
Mia is proof of how Republicans only vote Republican.Many
Republicans have stated they would rather have Putin running our country than
Obama.Now they have their way.
"Trump 'obviously' doesn't understand GOP's issues with
minority women."Mia obviously doesn't understand that we
are tired of having the race card and the gender card played as an excuse for
losing. You could have taken the high road, Mia. You could have lost
graciously and come back next election. Instead, you have flushed your
political career away.
Mia is right. Trump does not understand some things. At the same
time, Trump does understand some things. He wouldn’t be where he is if he
didn’t. Nobody but a true narcissist would think they
understand all things.The only exception might be those who are
blind to the things Trump doesn’t understand because they agree with a few
of the things they think they understand. The story of the Emperor
and his clothes fits here. Though not totally naked, boxing attire is not
sartorial splendor contrary to what those who enjoy a fighter might say.
She lost the election because she was a bad representative. She was the champion
for the democrat agenda with her rhetoric, on immigration and black women among
other topics. However, electing a democrat is never, ever a good idea, even when
the alternative is a worthless republican. At least she voted sensibly most of
the time. McAdams will vote to destroy Utah's values (with the democrats)
100% of the time.
Love is using race and gender as a form of currency and as an excuse for
loosing. Conservatives shouldn’t have to pander to minorities like the
democrats do to win people over to their side. It’s about the content of
ones character and ideas, not about the divisive identity politics that the
democrats have always liked to play.
"Trump 'obviously' doesn't understand GOP's issues with
minority women."The list of what this man "doesn't
understand" is so long that it probably reaches all the way to Russia.
"She said Republicans need "to get to the point where people are
actually electing us not just on policies but the fact that they actually trust
that we actually care about them."Oh dear Mia, I could not have
said it better myself! You know, the reason you, not the GOP, not Trump, but
you lost the race. The fact is that the voters of your district did NOT trust
that you actually care about them. ....and you proved it over and over and
Wow, good thing she's leaving office! Clearly, she was never
conservative to begin with. We don't need more wolves in sheep's
She is just confirming that she is the liberal that some of us always suspected
she was. Now we have Ben.
When I see comments of this nature, I can only see red. As in angry."There it is at last, the race card"Why is it that
presumable persons of European origins accuse those who are not of playing a
"race card" when a legitimate argument is made about racial intolerance.
She may/may not be correct in her analysis, but it is indeed a legitimate point
to debate.Saying that someone plays a "race card" is a
tactic intended to demean that individual. Particularly a person whose racial
or ethnic background is not one of European origins. As if they do not have
reasonable, but possibly debatable, claims and assertions.I wonder
how those people would feel if the shoe was on the other foot?
Goodbye Love. Nobody will miss you. You didn't give Trump enough love and
Americans saw that. That is why you lost.
As a conservative, white Christian male, I have to agree with Mia. Why in the
world does the GOP struggle to connect with women and minorities? Years ago, the
GOP was about the middle class and were typically faith-based people. Now the
GOP is just a reaction to Obama's socialist agenda. Problem is there are a
lot of conservative people that are compassionate and that care about the
country regardless of race and gender. Why aren't they in the discussion?
Why does it have to be about polarizing extremist issues?
Looks like Love may be preparing to challenge McAdams in 2020 to be the Democrat
nominee for the 4th Congressional District seat. She clearly has no future in
the Republican Party.
...and yet while in office she did little to nothing to curb Trump's
ignorance and dangerous statements, she voted as one with Donald.Now
that she lost, because she was essentially another rubber stamp from Utah,
she's going to blame everything but her own incompetence, seems Donald and
Mia have more in common then she claims.
Mia, if your district were raciest, you would have not won twice.
Now she is pulling out the Race card.
I'm disappointed that they can only speak the truth after they're out
And assuredly Love does not understand the GOP position on illegal immigration -
the singular cause for her defeat, IMO. At least we have an open liberal in
that seat now, as opposed to the closet liberal that Love seemed to be.
For the first time I agree with impartial, Love lost because she didnt do
anything while in office accept to pander to the so called minority movement
which most americans have grown tired of. Love also was not on board
with the border issue and her actions and rhetoric she displayed showed she
really was never a supporter of trump.The fact she got as many votes
as she did was surprising.
trump doesn't understand anything. On the same topic, neither does Mia
Love. She never did anything for Utah, all of her money came from out of state
corporate interests. She went lock step with the GOP even when her own family
benefited from programs the GOP oppose.
There it is at last, the race card.
"Love said her party needs to work harder to show "we're actually
pretty compassionate."Yeah, no. You can say that all you want,
but their actions prove counter. Mia joins a party, overwhelmingly dominated
about old white men, then complains that they have little diversity? That's like moving to Siberia and then complaining that it's cold.
In Mia's case in Utah, her loss is not reflective that the GOP is not
inclusive, it's due to the fact that most Utahn's didn't approve
of her actions (non-actions) on the job. The loss is on Mia.