Until proven guilty, I stand by President Trump.
Don’t pretend to be the party of family values if you put the economy
before what’s right.
Some people still don't understand that for all his moral shortcoming,
which, notably were before being elected President, Trump is a better American
than most of his detractors. Contrary to accusations, he has pushed this country
back towards the Constitution by striving to take power away from non-elected
government officials; referring matters back to the Congress, rather than
executive orders; restoring preference to American interests rather than
Foreign countries who have been freeloading off Uncle Sam for years. Btw,
Senator Hatch was willing to overlook some of Senator Kennedy's ( which
occurred during the Democrats' terms of office ) peccadillos in order to
get good legislation passed. Does that bother some of you ? I think smart
people realize that Trump is not and never has been a politician; and therefore
does not act nor speak like one. If it takes a bumptious President to at least
slow down the decline of this country, so be it.
SHAME. SHAME. SHAME.
Should we not expect the president to deal honestly with all of us all the time?
As the most powerful leader in the country should we not expect him to set the
example of honesty and integrity for all; especially our children? We grant him
great power and influence and it seems to me we have the right expect and demand
that he honor his oath; "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will
faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the
best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United
Hatch got very worked up over Clinton lying about having consensual sex with a
divorced woman, but he remains remarkably calm over far worse behavior by the
current occupant. It's his way of saying consistency is way overrated.
Romney's starting to look good to me.
Hmmm, where have I heard "I don't care" before? Ah,
yes, in the movie "The Fugitive": Tommy Lee Jones, as Lieutenant Sam
(not Philip, as played by Barry Morse on the tv show us old folks watched in the
1960's) Gerard in the water-filled tunnel has his gun pointed at Harrison
Ford as Dr Richard Kimble...Kimble: I didn't kill my wife!Gerard: I don't care!Of course, Lieutenant Gerard was a
law enforcement officer, charged with returning a convicted criminal to prison,
not in issuing opinions or judgment on guilt or innocence. What's Orrin Hatch's excuse?(By the way, Tommy Lee Jones
AD LIBBED this line!)
Senator Hatch, A good economy (debatable) is not a substitute for morality.
To "Shaun" so then you agree, the tax cuts had no significant effect on
tax revenues to the government. The problem is spending.
1. Hahaha -- I was called many things during my 25 years in the
FBI, but never a "left-wing hypocrite." If by "sermon," you
mean my oath, yes, even in retirement I still endeavor to live up to it. Every day. 2. Herbert Gravy -- Broad are the allegations,
indeed. Unfortunately, 1200 characters are not enough to list the publicly
available evidence (not to mention what Special Counsel knows that we
don't). But 33 indictments and 7 convictions, thus far, are pretty good
indicators the Russia Investigation is the real deal. The President himself is
not only a known subject of the investigation, but multiple lines of
directly-related inquiry have either implicated him (the Cohen plea agreement is
evidence of that) or are clearly leading towards him (though heavily redacted,
the Flynn sentencing memo makes that case. I can tell you from experience
prosecutors do not redact insignificant information).Yes,
there's more, but I'll leave it to Bob Mueller to tell us the rest of
@redshirtTax receipts are up only 1 percent which is anything
special since population growth can easily account for that.Also the
house has been controlled by republicans for 8 years. That is clearly long
enough to blame spending on them.
@Frank MontoyaPretty broad accusations. Could you please cite
evidence for each allegation?Thanks.
Said Hatch during the Clinton Impeachment:"This great nation can
tolerate a President who makes mistakes. But it cannot tolerate one who makes a
mistake and then breaks the law to cover it up."He was talking
about a guy who cheated on his wife.The current investigations are
about allegations far more serious than an illicit affair. They concern a
President who abuses power, obstructs justice, conspires with our enemies to
undermine our democracy, evades taxes, commits fraud against the government and
breaks his oath with nearly every breath he takes, all for selfish purpose. Sure, everyone in this great nation is innocent until proven guilty.
But, neither is anyone in this great nation above the law. Trump's grip on
a shrinking percentage of my fellow citizens is lamentable, but the truth will
out and when it does I'd invite everyone of them who were
deceived--starting with the good senator from the State of Utah--to step back
into the light.
its hilarious to watch the Dems struggle with losing the 2016 election. The only
real crime President Trump committed was he defeated Hillary and the Dems still
can't accept that! Perhaps they never will.
Remember when Bill Clinton paid out $850,000 hush money to a single woman? Paula
Jones? It was May 6, 1994. It did not result in his impeachment. That was due to
Monica Lewinski."HaHaHaHa - Othello, WADec. 11, 2018 12:45
p.m."It is good to challenge people who look the other way for pure
political reasons."Exactly what democrats do every day.
"It is good to challenge people who look the other way for pure political
reasons."Exactly what Trump does to the national "news"
Anyone in Congress who can't see the malfeasance and misfeasance right
under their noses needs to go home and get a real job.
To "LOU Montana" huh....what does Trump have to do with Obama's bad
economic policies?Actually we can afford Trump's tax breaks.
Since the tax cuts were enacted the Federal Government has collected more tax
revenues than they did the previous year. So, the tax cuts are NOT causing a
deficit. Spending is the problem.We can't afford the spending
that has been coming out of Congress for the past 20 years.
RedShirtUofU - Andoria, UT; "Had Obama kept his pace, we would still be
suffering from the effects of the 2008 recession or worse."You
re going to eat your hat on that one.Trump spending is out of
control. We cannot afford his tax breaks, his mistakes, and his family's
personal lifestyle. He is the most expensive President in the history of this
To "UtahBlueDevil" I am saying that thanks to the Republicans blocking
the plans that Obama had, the stock market was able to go from 8,000 to
20,000.If you look at what Obama was able to accomplish it was
mostly policies that slowed economic growth and destroyed job creation. We
should be glad that Republicans blocked as much as they did. It was too bad that
they didn't reverse more of Obama's decisions because the economy
could be doing even better.As for Republicans prosecuting their own,
yes, look at all of the Trump cronies that have been prosecuted. Meanwhile you
have people like Eric Holder that were shielded from investigation. Just look at
how they have excused or ignored it when their supporters want to riot.
The national media is keeping this story alive and subject to serious questions
about the Senator's comments. It is good to challenge people who look the
other way for pure political reasons.
I was raised in Utah and always respected Hatch, but now he has become a
embarrassment. It was time for his departure......
Redshirt..... so what you are saying is that Obama wasn't the President
when the stock market went from 8,000 to 20,000. Neither was he the President
when the unemployment numbers went from over 10% unemployed to 4.8%? If it
wasn't Obama... who was it? Trump?Under the final years of
Obama the job market was adding a little over 200,000 jobs per month. Last
month the job market, while in a Trump boom, added about 150,000 jobs.I'm not bashing Trump - but using those numbers as a benchmark. "You do realize that Republicans are more likely to seek prosecution
when one of their own breaks the law than Democrats do when one of their own
breaks the law."Can you back this up with anything factual,
other than your opinion? Anything? It is really disappointing that somehow
some believe that one party is the sole keeper of propriety while the other is
totally morally void. I hope our current LDS representatives
(Romney, Lee) show more moral backbone that did Hatch. Vote principles, not
party.To what crimes... search on "Legal affairs of Donald
Trump" and "The People vs. Donald Trump: Every Major Lawsuit and
Investigation the President Faces"Your answer lies there.
@65TossPowerTrap - Salmon, ID"Who elected this guy?"=
= = = =Seven (7) times no less!
Flashback - Kearns, UT"Trump actually didn't do anything
wrong paying off those two women. If he used campaign money, it was his own
money he gave to the campaign.Besides, Obama got foreign
contributions of over 2 million and as I recall, they didn't charge anyone
criminally but the FEC levied an over 300 thousand penalty.Trumps
amount paid to the two women was under $300,000.Where is the
crime?"= = = = =You got your law degree at Trump University
I presume? Any monies Trump gave to "his campaign" became the property
of the "campaign" not DJT's. Wah, Wah but Obama. . . . apparently
Obama committed no willful, unlawful act unlike DJT!
By the company you keep, Orrin. By the company you keep.
Hey, can we get $600K for Hatch so he can get a PR firm? He needs some help
with his public image.
@at long last. . . - Kirksville , MO"Given the nature of Trump
and the Democrats in congress and the NY law enforcement folks it is obvious
that he will be charged with something. Proving guilt may just be a lot harder.
However, it seems the attempt by those pursuing Trump is to make him unelectable
by bringing charges they cannot prove, in order to cause doubt among the more
emotional and weak-minded voter"= = = = = You do realize that
there is a recording of Trump directing his lawyer to make illegal payments
Senator Hatch, what's wrong? When the history books are written, your story
will be overshadowed by your closing act of public service - your denial of the
rule of law. Senator Hatch, how is it possible that you now don't believe
in the rule of law? What was your job in Washington for all these years if not
to write our nation's laws? Was your life's work that pointless?President Trump piles lie on top of lie, and if you're in denial
about that, or don't think it matters, then you need to reexamine your
moral code. Better yet, put a copy of the US Constitution in your pocket;
don't sit on it, read it.
What is most disappointing in all this is how conditional "truth" has
become, less alone right and wrong. On both sides. Fienstien's stunk in
the Kavanaugh hearings should have been condemned by both parties. She totally
and mercilessly abuse Mrs. Ford and the information that was given to her
intended to be kept in confidence. Shameful. Other Democrats should have
called out these actions as below what the democrat party stands for.Likewise with Trump. The record is replete with lies, mischaracterizations,
and low moral behavior by the President. Those within his own party that call
out such behavior are quickly shown the door. Obama's line in
the sand and keep your own doctors were stupid statements - and should have been
called out, and were, but only by the other side.Trumps promise to
bring back Coal, get ride of most all environmental protections, and tariff our
trading partners into submission should have been called out. Some parts were
called out by Republicans - but not enough.Trump calling someone
else a liar - that is the quintessential example of hypocrisy - and even Hatch
should have been able to call that out... but he didn't, and won't.
To "A W " but what laws has Trump broken? Can you actually name any?You do realize that Republicans are more likely to seek prosecution when
one of their own breaks the law than Democrats do when one of their own breaks
the law.To "ECR " what is really funny is the fact that it
was Democrats that first accused Obama of not being a citizen. They also accused
Cruz of not meeting the citizenship qualifications.To "Lia"
you are welcome for Republicans stopping so many of Obama's plans. Had
Obama kept his pace, we would still be suffering from the effects of the 2008
recession or worse.
Thank all of you DN readers for expressing your opinions.Thank you
DN for approving these comments.Mr. Hatch is done...by his own
standard...about 24 years too late.
The First Law of Hatch: P/P = Partisanship over Principle
orrin hatch perhaps the biggest moral relativist in history of american
Hatch said Democrats would anything to hurt the President. You could say the
same thing about Republicans and President Obama. What hypocrites politicians
are. Hatch blames Democrats for bring up the Presidents past. Happens all the
time in politics. If Trump were a Democrat Republicans would have impeached
his first year in office.
@flashback"Trump actually didn't do anything wrong paying off
those two women. If he used campaign money, it was his own money he gave to the
campaign."The FEC and the Department of Justice disagree with
you. If you give money to your campaign, it's no longer your money, and
you are subject to campaign and election law when spending that money, from that
point forward. Not to mention the fact that Trump's actions are massive
ethical violations even if they weren't deemed criminal (as they have
been)."Obama got foreign contributions of over 2 million and as
I recall"And the FEC considered Obama's case a reporting
issue, without intent and thus proceeded with civil fines. In contrast,
Trump's contributions were considered criminal, and with intent, so they
are being handled by the Department of Justice as felonies."Trumps amount paid to the two women was under $300,000."It has nothing to do with the amount. It has everything to do with intent.
Trump intentionally ordered campaign dollars be used to buy silence from his
mistresses. He committed a felony in doing so.Whataboutism
doesn't even apply here.
Who elected this guy?
"...brushes off allegations that Trump was involved in crimes"Instead of a brush off, I wish the senator would give us a DETAILED
explanation for his view.
And so Hatch ends his legacy with,"I don't care."
Republicans did everything they could to derail anything Obama tried to get
done.The world will be a better place when hatch is gone from office.
Hatch and other Trump followers just solved the crime problem in America:
remove the word 'crime' from our vocabulary.(psst: just
kidding Trump followers, the world doesn't work that way)
Mr. Hatch:You hitched your legacy to the Trump train......
"Hatch said the Democrats would do anything to hurt the president."____________________Yeah, right, Senator. Why pay attention to
testimony. depositions, evidence, and all that noise when we could so easily
close our eyes to anything discomforting? After all, it's Just one big
witch hunt cooked up by sore loser Democrats, ain't it?So sad
to see Hatch's once distinguished career ending on such a sour downhill
As a retired military enlisted and officer in the Army and Air Force active-Duty
and Reserve in both services, I cannot believe Anyone would support him in his
actions or inactions during the past two years.As a politician,
elected members of our citizenship are to have the spirit of judgment for their
constituents.That spirit lets us know the truth of all things. Some have left that spirit in their service and let pride and power take
over in their existence on earth.Utahns basically Believe that
honest men and women, and wise women and men should be sought for diligently,
and good men and women and wise women and men should observe to uphold;
otherwise whatsoever is less than these cometh of evil.The spirit of
our Founding Fathers has been lacking in standing for the right or the
Constitution of the United States of America.George Washington
believed in God and fought for freedom so the truth and honesty could survive
with our form of government.If a President supports our Russian
enemies more than his own personal attorney, there could be a problem with his
judgment and honor.
Orrin:On January 11, 2017, Donald Trump was asked in his first press
conference after his shock election victory, "Did you or anyone in your
campaign have any contact with Russia leading up to or during the campaign?"
"No, not at all," Trump responded.Fact check: Senior
members of his election campaign and his immediate family had repeated Russian
contacts, over business and politics, during Trump's 2015-2016 battle for
the White House.Investigators have records of emails, text messages,
phone calls and face-to-face meetings showing frequent contact even as Moscow
actively interfered with the election boost Trump's chances to win.Sincerely,A Utah Citizen
Wrong is wrong but we must respect the rule of law and parallels should not be
drawn between alleged wrongdoings. Clinton was not charged and we must respect
that decision. Trump deserves a fair investigation and is presumed
innocent until otherwise. If he isn’t charged we have to drop it and
respect that decision. I did not personally convict Clinton based on republican
allegations and I will not do that to trump based on his haters.
Trump actually didn't do anything wrong paying off those two women. If he
used campaign money, it was his own money he gave to the campaign.Besides, Obama got foreign contributions of over 2 million and as I recall,
they didn't charge anyone criminally but the FEC levied an over 300
thousand penalty.Trumps amount paid to the two women was under
$300,000.Where is the crime?
The good Senator has let his Medial of Freedom go to his head.
Here is the problem with Hatch's comments. Last Saturday we had a brand
new Hiesman Trophy winner. Not but a few hours later Kyler Murray had to
explain tweets he had made when he was 14 and 15. Kyle quickly admitted to
doing so, explained them as the actions of a young immature young man, and
apologized.What we do before does matter. Owning up to those things
matters. It shows to the character of the person, who they are today.Trump on the other hand denied knowing the women, then when that was proved to
be not true, claimed he didn't make payments to the women, only to have
that proven to be untrue. Now Trump claims he didn't direct or authorize
Cohen made those payments. The Federal NY District prosecutors office feel
they have enough evidence to prove otherwise.The problem with Trump
there never is a) a single consistent story, 2) never an apology for making an
mistake.Hatch says this doesn't all matter so long as the
economy is doing great. The question is would this all be ok if the economy
wasn't humming along? Is right or wrong dependent on wealth generated?Somewhere along the way Hatch seems to have modified his moral compass -
which is a sad thing.
I've never supported Hatch until this year of 2018; he has had a great last
year in office. And sadly, Mr. Mueller's investigation has gone to low
point, starting with collusion and now into private affairs, which ironically,
will also drag the 42nd president through the media again. The year of
impeachment, of 1998, will be re-visited over and over again. Media lacks good
positive stories, and life is beautiful for red states with community unity.
"Hatch said the Democrats would do anything to hurt the president."Has any Democrat yet accused the president of not being a citizen of the
United States? Until that happens neither Trump nor Senator Hatch has nothing
to complain about.
When the Dnews runs endless editorials asking “Why are we so
divided” and runs more editorials asking, “For unification”
please look back at Hatch’s comments. Hatch placing his buddy
Donald and the Republican Party brand above ethics, laws, and his pledge to the
constitution is why we are so divided. One political party
doesn’t care what Donald does, they’ll defend him no matter what.
This is what’s tearing up the country. Wake up!Facts matter! Laws matter!
Orin, Orin, Orin:Its the Justice Department of the United States of
America that have identified crimes. Trump has been accused of crimes and the
justice department is doing its job. Shame you and the rest of the republicans
have allowed this charade to have gone on this long.American Citizen
This makes me sad for Sen. Hatch. It brings to mind the memoir of Albert Speer,
who came across to me as genuinely at a loss as to why he, a decent, principled
man, did not see what was right before him.
Second Try“if you want to you can blow it way out of proportion you
can do a lot of things," Hatch saidOf course Hatch is quoted as
saying that Trump is the best president ever. Hatch thinks it is
blown way out of proportion.
What's the difference between the Russia collusion investigation and Santa
Claus? One is a jolly old fellow who flies a sleigh powered by reindeer and the
other is a myth.
Moral relativism incarnate.
What a very, very sad end to his tenure in the Senate.Bleeding heart
that I am, still, I used to be proud that our staple senator from Utah crossed
the aisle for children’s health, teamwork with Ted Kennedy, and respect
for process (confirmation of RBG on the Supreme Court, for one example.) Am I
alone in having lost all respect? - I hope not.
Hatch ended his career with a shining blow for liberty by supporting Donald
Trump. Go Trump 2020! 'Ya did the right thing!'
How embarrassing are those statements from the senator who represented the great
state of Utah for 4 decades?Wow....
Given the nature of Trump and the Democrats in congress and the NY law
enforcement folks it is obvious that he will be charged with something. Proving
guilt may just be a lot harder. However, it seems the attempt by those pursuing
Trump is to make him unelectable by bringing charges they cannot prove, in order
to cause doubt among the more emotional and weak-minded voter.
I believe that Hatch is clueless.
Hatch is quoted as saying, "...you can make anything a crime under the
current laws..." CNN had an interview clip of Hatch where he said that he
didn't care if Trump broke any laws because he was a great president.Sad.Looking forward to Romney taking office and showing some
Orrin Hatch, 1999: "Crimes of moral turpitude such as perjury and
obstruction of justice go to the heart of qualification for public
office."Orrin Hatch, 2010: "We conservatives...believe in
the rule of law, the enforcement of our law, and the Constitution as
written."Orrin Hatch, 2018: "You can make anything a crime
under the current laws; if you want to you can blow it way out of
proportion."Unfortunately, 2018 Hatch is all too representative
of the national Republican Party leadership, who curiously abandoned those
ideals they once touted, when it became politically expedient to sing a
different tune. It is a betrayal of those of us who still hold those
ideals, who counted on our leaders to be honorable enough to know where the
lines should be drawn and to hold them against the forces of corruption.
Consummate politician letting it hang out now that he's done in 3 weeks.
Senator Hatch hasn't changed a bit from his first term.
He's just able to be honest now. A real profile in courage.
The perfect example of what happens when you outstay your welcome. Sad that he
had to hang around just lob lg enough to soil his decades of service.
I have a real concern about Hatch. He claims he doesn't care whether the
accusations against Trump are true or not. If true, the accusations rise to
criminal behavior--shouldn't this matter to every American?Hatch has his partisan blinders on rather than remembering his oath of office
to defend the Constitution. It is far past time for Hatch to go.
Two conclusions here. Either Hatch is clueless to what's going on.
Or, he's complicit in his wrongdoings.
Oh my gosh! You have got to be kidding me. There is a recording of Donald Trump
directing his lawyer to make the payments! A misdemeanor is a small crime, but
this is Federal Felony! Not only that but over 33 people are under investigation
for contacts with the russians, been indicted or plead guilty to serious crimes.
Most to, allegedly, help get him elected. He surrounds himself with people who
do not tell the truth, and has a problem himself with telling the truth. Sen.
Hatch’s support for him devalues marriages, the institution of the Senate
and the people he represents. As a republican, I am appalled that Sen. Hatch
plays politics with the truth and refuses to see what is plainly evident. This
support only tarnishes his otherwise loyal honorable service to the State of