"But BYU will show more fans in Boise than Utah will in San Diego."red-jelly-rash:Funny! You decry "attendance smack",
then give us some of your own.The Utes don't have access to the
local church pipeline to give away tickets. But even so, I'm guessing more
Ute fans from Utah buy tickets and make the trek to San Diego, than Boise area
church members show up to gaze upon the nauseating blue turf for 4 hours.The rest of your comment makes some sense.
Why all the smack about attendance from both sides?I would rather be
at the Holiday Bowl playing Northwestern than the Tater Tot bowl against a
directional college. But BYU will show more fans in Boise than Utah will in San
Diego. So what?Utah is the better team this year. They play in a
better conference. They play a better opponent in better weather. How many
people says nothing about how good the team is. Silly argument about
crowd size, always will be. The difference is how you support your team. I will
watch the Holiday Bowl if I don’t have a conflict with another activity. I
will make sure nothing conflicts with the Spudtacular and will get noisy in
"Judging by the size of the crowds, about as excited as Utah fans were to
play Indiana in the Foster Farms Bowl (27,608) or West Virginia in the Heart of
Dallas Bowl (20,507)."lone*some:Wrong analogy. Judging by the size of the Miami Beach Brawl crowd (20,761), played in
ideal weather against a higher profile G5, the Potato Bowl is in trouble.
@SoonerUte - Salt Lake City, UTDec. 10, 2018 2:49 p.m.“flatlander "bowl practices are way over rated for how they help the
next year."Yep. Unless you plan on sitting the seniors and only play
next year's projected starters, you're not really helping next
year.”You two are in the tiny minority here. Everyone gets to practice. Every underclassman will improve their technique.
4 gamers will get in their 4th game. Wilson will get
more opportunities to read and react in a game situation, along with the rest of
the offense. BYU’s inexperienced play caller will get a chance
to improve. Nothing but good will come of it, barring injury.
flatlander - Omaha, NEDec. 10, 2018 1:06 p.m.I can't believe
anybody is excited about playing Western Michigan.Judging by the
size of the crowds, about as excited as Utah fans were to play Indiana in the
Foster Farms Bowl (27,608) or West Virginia in the Heart of Dallas Bowl
flatlander "bowl practices are way over rated for how they help the next
year."Yep. Unless you plan on sitting the seniors and only play next
year's projected starters, you're not really helping next year.
REALND"I would just point out that every game Wilson started was
run heavy. The only two games that more passes were attempted than runs were the
Cal and USU games, and Mangum started both. I don't understand your
claim."Call it what you want. The offense BYU runs with Wilson
is not the same one they ran with Mangum. Unless you run a "system"
offense, most aim to stay balanced, but ultimately that comes down to what the
defense shows. With Mangum the offense depended on tight formations, power with
RB and sweep with slot or WR to set up play action. With Wilson the basis is
spread with QB run game and lots of option elements."both Grimes
and Sitake claimed it wouldn't matter which QB became the starter, as the
offense that they installed would fit either skill set. They dubbed it
"multiple". Remember?"I do, but it was
"multiple" in name only, what they ran with Mangum was the LSU lite
stuff and that's what they practiced. That's why they're now
forced to learn or essentially re-learn the spread stuff they run with Wilson.
He's right, pick an identity and stick with it. Horribly inefficient not
@Real Ute "I truly think that BYU's owners will drop the
hammer on BYU football sooner than later. ESPN has no money to spend on a
product that does not sell, or can attract viewers. Ticket sales and
concessions, along with licensed merchandise sale are not good, or even close. I
think the Y may stay in the WCC for a couple more years, eventually bail and
then focus on religious stuff that is BYU. Times change folks!"Mike, you are a special soul and lost in many ways, only the least being
sports related. We welcome you as a "member" of our family and invite
you to "return to the fold" of Cougar nation. Although you have
"fallen away", all can be forgiven. I appreciate your baseless and
nonfactual opinion on the state of BYU sports, but you hope BYU will change the
way they have operated as it involves sports for over 100 years.You
know it takes us time to make such far reaching change not consistent with the
way we have operated and our stated priorities. I'm sure you saw the
"Chairman of the Board" courtside at the game. He appeared by all
rights to be enjoying the investment. Other members of the board are former BYU
Presidents who adore BYU sports, as you well know.
I can't believe anybody is excited about playing Western Michigan. BYU had
to beat the worst of the NCAA to get enough wins and now get to play another mid
major school. If they win no big deal and if they lose the program is even
worse off than people think. I am with Bronco, bowl practices are way over
rated for how they help the next year.
I truly think that BYU's owners will drop the hammer on BYU football sooner
than later. ESPN has no money to spend on a product that does not sell, or can
attract viewers. Ticket sales and concessions, along with licensed merchandise
sale are not good, or even close. I think the Y may stay in the WCC for a couple
more years, eventually bail and then focus on religious stuff that is BYU. Times
@Atkins"so clearly he wasn't hard committed to implementing
the run heavy, run first scheme the Cougars used the first half of the
season."I would just point out that every game Wilson started
was run heavy. The only two games that more passes were attempted than runs
were the Cal and USU games, and Mangum started both. I don't understand
your claimIn fact, in August when the starting QB had yet to be
determined, both Grimes and Sitake claimed it wouldn't matter which QB
became the starter and as the offense that they installed would fit either
skillset. They dubbed it "multiple". Remember?
Given the decisions they make in game, Sitake and his staff need he extra
experience more than the players.
“It’s an opportunity for us, with a lot of time to get ready for the
game, to...learn the scheme a little more...,” Sitake said."We’ve changed offenses a couple of different times this year. I
hope we find our identity and stick with it...." (Zach Wilson)Replacing a QB and putting in a new scheme half-way through the season is
incredibly inefficient, but that's exactly what the Cougars did. So, again
I would ask, who was behind the decision to start Mangum and run the LSU lite
("Little League") scheme in the first place? Certainly the
clues to the answer are there. Grimes is the one who went after Wilson and got
him to de-commit from BSU. He's also on record as saying he would build an
offense around his QB's skill set, so clearly he wasn't hard committed
to implementing the run heavy, run first scheme the Cougars used the first half
of the season.Sitake, on the other hand, is the one who said
repeatedly after the Wisconsin loss in 2017 that he wanted to emulate that team
(which has the run heavy, run first scheme). Bottom line: think you have to give
Grimes a pass on this. Seems reasonably clear the decision to start Mangum and
run the ugly offense came from the top.
I think that BYU's QB Zach Wilson is a great player. He needs a supporting
cast or he's toast. Good teams will get on him like Utah did.
I believe that with the Aggies recent hire all of the states football programs
are trending up. Utah wins the PAC12 South, BYU makes it to a bowl game, USU
has an incredible 10-2 season, and Weber State is just excellent. Good luck to
all in the bowl games. I believe the Cougs are going to be more competitive next
year. It appears they are headed in the right direction.
Both teams accustomed to cold weather. Who wants the game more? Already
getting ready for next year and I like the attitude of our qb. Best of success,
Cougars. Bring home win.
Glad to see Kalani taking full advantage of the extra practices afforded bowl
teams.I never understood why Bronco didn’t use all 15.
Thank you Sitake for using all 15 allotted practices. Mendenahll would drive me
crazy when he would blow off 5 or so of those practices. With the number of
young players playing for BYU - these practices are gold.
First let's be clear: A bowl game is better than no bowl game. They had an extra game last year because of traveling to Hawaii. Yes they won
two more games, but more importantly they lost three less games.BYU
looked more competitive in all their games and were blown out really only once
if you look at a throw away TD with USU. Much better than last year.If we had started with the right QB from the beginning of the year instead of
feeling obligated to start a non-D1 QB, we very easily should have beaten NIU
and California, and with more experience gained in earlier games possibly
BSU.We are better, but still have a way to go. Although we have
more P-5 teams, many of them had off years leading up to this and we have them
at home.2 more wins this year, and 2 more wins next year with a 8-4
record and I will know we are heading in the right direction.Rise
and Shout...and I like Tater Tots.
The Bronco's starting QB was injured during the Toledo game and Western
lost their next 3 games. They did beat Northern Illinois with their back-up QB.
I am not sure that their offense will be as productive without the starter.
They also recently fired their defensive coordinator. So, on both
sides of the ball there seems to be a lot of uncertainty with their team. Throw in the fact that they are 1800 miles away from home, and there
should be no reason for BYU to lose this game.
Even though this team's record wasn't great, they competed much better
in every game and it is obvious how far they have come from the 2017 debacle.
It is obvious a lot of humility and hard work in the off season and the changes
were necessary. Finish the season strong Cougars for momentum into 2019..
Water rocket: I believe winning 10 games over the last 2 years, mostly against
mediocre teams has received plenty of national attention for the program. The
only thing that will be less important than dominance over another mediocre team
will be a loss to another mediocre team. That said, go Cougars. (And nothing
less than 7-8 regular season wins next year should save the HC, OC and the A.D.
jobs). Real national attention next year will require 9-10 wins.
Congratulations Cougars! I don’t know much about Western Michigan except
Kalamazoo is a long ways away. They will come in ready and fired up. Let’s
go out and play an entire game like we played against Utah in the first half.
Looking forward to a great game.
If BYU is supposed to be P5 caliber, we will see how they do in this bowl game.
If they don't dominate, then they haven't arrived yet.Playing in a
lower tier bowl game like this really requires a dominant performance to gain
any national attention for the program.
Congratulations Cougs.. I guess .For some reason I’m having a hard
time getting excited about Western Michigan in the potato bowl. I would be
excited if we played every half of every game to win next season.