'This may be the best budget we've ever had,' governor says
As someone who has lived in London, California and Washington State, I can with
experience say that all Utahn's should count your blessings. This state is
run very well fiscally; there is sanity in this budget and taxes. I just paid
the county I lived in nearly 2% of my sell price in my Washington home just for
the privilege to sell it. I could go on and on with the ridiculous taxes and
cost of living extremes of these other places. This is a great place to live;
glad to be here living among the sane. Some whiners for sure, but mostly, the
I doubt legislators will cut taxes. They have people like Jonathan Ball who
manipulate numbers so that legislators won't have enough money to cut
taxes. Maybe Wilson and Adams will have enough power to make it happen at $200
million, although I wouldn't put money on it. They just do not have enough
power or knowledge against the money men.
it seems a tax increase is always a part of the solution. Social
security gives infrequent and abysmal increases because they claim there
is no inflation. I'd like to see government live on an austere budget
like the rest of us.
To "Ranch" prove it. What detriments are there in the US from churches.
Don't go down the road of looking at specific churches, but you need to
provide verifiable studies that show any detriment there is to society. An
article written by an anti-theist is not a verifiable study but is just an angry
rant.Even in the case of a religious group's adoption agency
seeking state or federal funding, that is cheaper to give them the money than
for the state to do the same work.Prove it, show us that overall a
church costs more money than it saves or brings into an area.
Here's a crazy idea: why don't we make the government exist on a
little bit less than they are taking from us? Perhaps lay off 1/2 the do-nothing
government workforce, make the remaining 1/2 actually earn their paycheck? That
would be a real good way to free up a LOT of money they could stop taking out of
No doubt, Jonathan Ball will try to manipulate things so that legislators do not
cut taxes. Perhaps our Legislature will get an honest analyst.
@water rocket;"Politicians can' tax churches, period. It
would be a violation of the constitution,"-- False. There is
not a single thing in the Constitiution that prevents taxing churches.
Especially mega-billionaire churches.@RedShirtHarvard:"You do know that churches provide many services at a much lower cost than
the government could provide them."-- Then why are they asking
for government subsidies for adoptions, pavements, etc.? Huh?"There are also all of the well documented socioeconomic benefits from
churches ..."-- There are also well document socioeconomic
detriments from churches. They SHOULD pay taxes and contributions to churches
that do not go directly to helping the poor and needy should NOT be allowed to
be deducted as "charitable" contributions. They're nothing more
than Club Dues."Why would you want to tax organizations that
save taxpayers money?"-- They COST us money because we're
subsidizing them. It's not a savings.@search diligently;Actually that is a great idea; tax the parents for the teaching their
Services should not be taxed. Those who make a living on services are already
paying income and payroll taxes on the revenues. To start taxing them opens the
door wide open to more taxes. If you are going to tax haircuts, how about
taxing teaching in the classrooms? It is nonsense to do either.People poorly understand the issue of taxes on gasoline/fuel. Other
neighboring states are doing taxing theirs. Every time you drive through their
states and stop to gas up, you are paying part of their state's tax burden
which reduces the overall taxes the citizens pay in that state. And even if you
don't drive through their states, the trucks that ship products to Utahns
are paying taxes in these neighboring states to get it to you, which in turn
increases the price for the products to you.Taxes have to come from
somewhere to pay for government services, including education. Utahns should
open their eyes and ears and understand that increasing taxes on fuel will
reduce taxes overall to Utahns since others will help pay for it out of state...
just like we are doing for their state coffers.
Eliminate the Utah income tax so the state is more affordable and reward the
200 million tax cut....400 million new taxes, great.
To "FT" they will do that the same day that they propose taxing
Unions.You do know that churches provide many services at a much
lower cost than the government could provide them. There are also all of the
well documented socioeconomic benefits from churches that again save the
government money.We know that you and many like you want the LDS
church to only do what you want them to. However, they won't just sit by
and obey your will.Why would you want to tax organizations that save
What impact will federal tax reform have on Utah tax revenues? That should be a
huge tax policy discussion as State tax returns start piling up April 15, 2019.
"Broaden the base" is code for taxing poor people.
I'm ok with broadening the base when it comes to new tech and services, but
don't tax roads. I don't want Utah to end up with East Coast or
California style toll roads.
There was reason in an earlier day to not put a sales tax on goods and services.
It was because such services are immediately taxed as income to the laborer and
a sales tax on such puts an unreasonable burden on that stream of money through
the economy.It is smoke and mirrors to complain that sales tax is
diminishing as a percent of total taxes, yet absolute revenue from the sales
taxe is higher than ever. C'mon Governor...Of all the tax
circumstances to correct, the one of untaxed e-cigarettes, i.e. solids, liquids,
vapors and anything like unto it is the place to start. Same tax per unit of
nicotine and the like as on cigarettes!I voted against raising the
gas tax to fund education because it was a subterfuge. We need to adequately
fund transportation and education through related channels. We need more money
for roads, but miles driven go up while gas consumption goes down. There is no
transportation related tax on electricity used to power automobiles. Need to
fix that. Education is a general fund responsibility as no other basis has a
direct correlation to student population, or the ability to reliably handle the
huge fixed cost.
Not enough space in the world to correct all the nonsense spouted on here by
people who fear taxes more than death. water rocket - more people
moving into the state is not a panacea. Those people require additional services
- schools, road maintenance, water, power, etc., etc. If the revenue generated
per each new resident is not equal to the cost of providing those services
(particularly if that tax base shrinks over time) then you set the state up for
an unsustainable situation down the road. Better to restructure taxes now, then
have to pay dramatic increases later. That's one correction, most of the
rest of the comments on here boil down to "anything that isn't blindly
chopping taxes is evil." Sure it is guys, sure it is. Glad nobody on here is
running this state.
I like the idea of taxing water use and roads. Where we are faced with
near-constant dry conditions, even drought conditions, letting citizens
understand the true cost of water, and taxing as a means to reward conservation,
is smart political, economic, and environmental policy. Likewise, taxing
transportation/roads will encourage carpooling and public transportation,
reducing air pollution. As our population grows we need to have policies that
encourage wise use of our water and other resources, and policies that help
encourage healthy air.See, Republicans do care about air and water.
BEWARE UTAH CITIZENS --- Whenever there's a surplus, taxes go UP in Utah!!
It's the GOP way of being conservative. They're going to grab their
share and more every chance because Politics 101 is: "Learn to spend someone
else's money for what you want or whatever will make you popular and get
you re-elected.....This gig will last as long as you play that game
LOOK OUT: The Goal (obviously) is to TAKE IN MORE REVENUE and this is just a
perceived way to make it less objectionable.Why not eliminate State
Income Tax on Social Security? If you want to help those who've paid for
the government schools, military, etc for 30 - 40 years and given the Feds a
free loan out of the money they earned during that time and ALREADY paid income
tax (both State and Federal) on it already when they earned it, QUIT COLLECTING
ON IT AGAIN!! Why do we need to pay income tax on money we paid on when we
earned it and put in is SS and are now just getting our own money back?
That's like taking food when purchased and again when you need the sewer
line. Give seniors a break---not many of them have extra to spare---it's
food or medicine but not both for many of them. They have ponied up for 40
years...hold the line on property taxes for them, too. Raise it for the next
owner when the house sells after the funeral. Sheesh---tax us to death....
Wow, Governor Herbert, this whole thing sounds like a shell game as someone
said. Water Rocket nailed it in his comment. We are already paying
unprecedented amounts of taxes in Utah, especially in the Salt Lake County where
our property taxes have become unbearable. This tax cut the governor talks
about sounds like a pittance while he is proposing to start taxing haircuts of
all things - sheesh.All I can say citizens is take your money and
hide it somewhere good before the state government comes and confiscates the
whole of it!
Give me back the percentage of the $1.3 billion I overpaid.
Smoke and mirrors Gov if you are cutting taxes only to raise other ones. You
aren't putting more money in people's pockets when you do this. We
aren't stupid you know. If you are going to raise taxes do it
on pop, candy, ice cream, and a lot of the things that are not good for
people's short or long-term health. Water doesn't fit into that
category. The biggest thing we have to fear with our liberty is being taxed to
death. Look at all the people leaving California and some other places because
they are tired of being taxed to death. Utah should learn from them and not make
the same mistakes.
Should we clap our hands like a bunch of complicit showtime seals? Government
overreach, both on State and National levels, is a greater threat to liberty
than any outside force. As citizens, we have just caved to the idea that big
government is necessary to even survive. Start downsizing government on all
levels, then maybe true prosperity will occur. We were not placed here to be
acted upon from cradle to grave.
Hired a young man from Utah gave him his first check. I saw his eyes
widen with suprise. I asked him if there was a problem?He asked if
the check was correct. I told him it was correct. I explained to him
that Utah taxes are high compared to most states.He was very pleased
to be working out of Utah.
The logic that broadening the base, taxing more things and then lowering the
rate adds up to a tax cut doesn't pan out when you add the local sales
taxes on top of the state ones. If the state will tax food and services, the
localities will be tacking on their cut too.Given the recent history
of turning the new online sales taxes over to a tax break for certain
industries, I think it's safe to assume that this is all just a shell game
and we'll all end up paying more to benefit specific interests.
For FT Salt Lake City. Politicians can' tax churches, period. It would be
a violation of the constitution, however, I wonder why ANY politician would
"broaden the tax base" and claim Utah's tax base is
"shrinking". We have unprecedented population growth (more tax payers),
we have a housing boom (more construction jobs, plus more property taxes), we
have businesses moving here in droves (also more jobs and income taxes), plus,
we now have the online sales tax we didn't have in the past. As far as I
can see is that this is a carrot to lure us into agreeing to have more taxes. I
am all for a tax cut (it is long over due), but I oppose ANY new taxes, of any
The bottom line, like most Republican tax cuts, the rich will benefit
significantly but those less fortunate will have a a tax burden that takes a
proportionally greater bite out of their disposable income.
When will a politician have the guts to propose taxing churches when its obvious
so many of them have crossed the line and are openly lobbying and running for
I wonder how much of the surplus came from Amazon sales tax collection.
This is a common sense proposal. The governor is right to broaden the base
given the huge shift towards services versus goods in our economy. Hopefully
Utah taxpayers won't just knee-jerk react to adding sales tax on certain
services. The good thing about sales taxes is that you can avoid them by not
buying the product or service. And taxes automatically fall when people make
and spend less money. The people and the government budgets go the same
direction.Cutting the overall rate of taxation while letting the
dollars rise with the economy makes sense.
I love living in a state where there are discussions about how best to allocate
a surplus and the best way to cut taxes.
I would like to see an actual conservative governor elected.ALL
politicians like to "say" they're conservative - right up until
they raise taxes.State and local (especially local)governments have
come to believe that "our money is their money", and if they have
anything left over after they spend whatever they want, that we may keep some
for our own needs.It needs to be 180 degrees opposite that thinking!