Jay Evensen: Medical marijuana and the elusive will of the people

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  • WestsideGal ,
    Dec. 9, 2018 10:32 p.m.

    Many people with chronic illnesses voted yes for a good reason. I know several whose doctors had discussed positive prospects with them. A HUGE segment of the population has been cut out of the opportunity by the Legislature. Why? Are they doctors? Do they know these patients? When the Legislature alters something so significantly as to deny opportunity to a significant segment of the population who needs the support, then I would say plenty of push-back is in order from the voters.

  • Weston Jurney West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 9, 2018 9:48 p.m.

    Can't go giving people what a majority of them voted for!
    After all, We Know Better.

  • CoreyE33 Clearfield, UT
    Dec. 8, 2018 12:12 a.m.

    This is the status quo in soft subtle tones that lull. It pushes you in the direction they want...

    Gliding like delicate silk off the back of a chair when hung carelessly over the back. A sense of peace and togetherness; that it's okay the "will" of our elected officials is to modify a bill so heavily in favor of one side it will cause people to suffer out of ignorance. Cannabis has always been medicine.

    32 states, 33 with us, 2 countries, and The District of Columbia have legalized in some way. We don't need to reinvent the wheel. Cannabis is already dosed. It has been for some time.

    This will cause medical cannabis patients to suffer. Grow space is limited. There will be shortages and delays.

    We all live here together.

  • AlSwearengen Ogden, UT
    Dec. 7, 2018 9:27 p.m.

    "In fact, they were moving slowly in this direction in recent years"

    I guess you could say the Legislature was "moving Slowly" towards legalization of Medical Cannabis. At the pace they were proceeding my guess it would have been a 100 years before we saw any progress.

  • Alexfl444 , 00
    Dec. 7, 2018 2:11 p.m.

    Dont be mislead by their crafty words and justifications

    These "news" peices are nothing more than persuasive letters written with the specific intent to down play what they have done.

    They're creating the illusion that what they are doing here is okay.

    Do not stand down.

  • sgallen Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 7, 2018 10:21 a.m.

    Those who wish to control others through legislation have won their reward. As lovers of liberty, let us not meet their negative energy

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 2:28 p.m.

    Re: "I would be more on your side Jay if Utah had a multi-party, or at least two party, system."

    Huh? Utah HAS a multi-party system.

    The fact that you and I are members of a party that has consciously, foolishly, and adamantly refused for 30+ years to offer the people of Utah a consistent slate of candidates and principles we can vote for is not the fault of Utah.

    It's our fault.

    The fact that Weed, Inc. cobbled together a coalition of the venal, the foolish, and the mindless to pass this vile initiative does not a pro-weed movement make, whatever venal proponents may be trying to sell.

  • KanataHal CA, 00
    Dec. 6, 2018 9:23 a.m.

    Utah Happyman: "The Church is still true in Canada..."

    Well, the Church isn't growing very fast here in Canada, and the jury's still out on whether legalizing weed was a good decision. Our 'buck a beer' Primier of Onrtario has no problem with it, though.

  • Flipphone Sandy, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 8:58 a.m.

    All this fuss over a non additive plant that is readily available and which is consumed by millions each day for medical and recreational use Including here in Utah.

    Soon Wendover NV. will have a dispensary that will supply Northern Utah, Eastern Utah is supplied by western Colorado and southern Utah from Mesquite NV .

    So it doesn't matter what Utah does.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 8:34 a.m.

    To "Impartial7" what are you talking about, did you even red the bill? If you had you would have seen that MS is listed as one of the conditions to get a MMJ card.

    If you don't have one of the specific diseases listed, there is the Compassionate Use Board that is filled with DOCTORS with knowledge of MMJ and its uses and benefits. If you have a problem that is not listed yet could be helped with MMJ the board can grant you a card.

    To "SMcloud" I hate to tell you this, but with the compromise bill PTSD is listed as eligible for MMJ.

    What I still can't understand from so many of the liberals here is why they are complaining about the compromise bill. Prior to election day they said Prop 2 was to get medication to those that can benefit from it. The compromise bill gets medication to those that can benefit from it. So, since the compromise bill meets the intent of Prop 2, what is all of the fuss over?

  • Sativa Saint , 00
    Dec. 5, 2018 11:14 p.m.

    Truth is that there are MANY folks (including me) that want fully legal ‘recreational’ cannabis. Yep, ‘tis true. But you know what? We’ll keep getting it from the good ‘ol black market, which I’ve been doing for over 30 years now. It’s a plant folks. Just legalize

  • explorer686 davis, UT
    Dec. 5, 2018 10:24 p.m.

    I completely and utterly disagree with the author of this opinion. I feel as though this prepared discourse would be better suited for a Sunday testimonial by the members of the: "perceived dominant religion". Americans/Utahns deserve to be counted and represented. This is not a dictatorship nor can a religious or conservative entity control the will of the people. Utah voted, now do your job governor/ legislators.

  • One of Vai's Cousins DC, Washington
    Dec. 5, 2018 10:04 p.m.

    I think most freedom loving, rational people understand that it is completely irrational to legalize the recreational use of alcohol and tobacco and not marijuana. Maintain strong laws against underage use and driving while impaired. Strengthen them if you want. But to make it illegal for an adult to smoke a joint in the privacy of their home, while being able to use alcohol and tobacco legally, is nothing short of fear, lack of knowledge, and control.

  • Middle of the road Mormon South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 5, 2018 9:20 p.m.

    I say we hit them up with another ballot proposition by the people, from the people, and for the people in every election.

    The next one should just allow anyone with a medical card to grow their own period - cut the state out of the tax money altogether.

  • Middle of the road Mormon South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 5, 2018 9:16 p.m.

    @Shane333 - Orem, UT

    "I suspect that a lot of Utah residents support the idea of providing access to useful medication but simultaneously desire to avoid enabling substance abuse. "

    Most studies show that alcohol is much worse for one's health than cannabis. However, in Utah I can brew my own beer, and even distill my own spirits for personal consumption.

    I and many other freedom loving individuals living in this state do not want have the government acting as our parental guardian. That is not how free people should have to live.

  • UtahEngineer Sandy, UT
    Dec. 5, 2018 6:55 p.m.

    Excellent article, Jay.

    Even though I have been a great fan of some Initiatives, they are a poor way to make law.

    michaelitos had it right,

    "Excellently worded and well thought out, Jay. I appreciate my duly elected representative doing his job... even if it take some prodding from an initiative."

    The initiative statute should be changed to make all such measures, open to legislative modification, before becoming law.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2018 2:23 p.m.

    Everyone can grow there own under law until there is retail dispensaries under the Utah Constitution and the mandate of the people.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2018 2:00 p.m.

    The height of arrogance - thats the best way to describe this latest from Utahs legislative body.

    Key provisions of the peoples ballot initiative were totally left out.

    Sometimes I get embarassed that I affilliate with the Republican party.

    This is one of those times. Lately there have been quite a few where they embarrass me.

    I think Prop 2 supporters have a good case in court.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2018 1:57 p.m.

    As if legislators read the bills they vote on...

    There were several reasonable cleaned up versions proposed by Democrats in the last few days, and all of them were immediately rejected by the GOP.

    @Impartial7
    " Yes, it will end up in court, and the people will eventually win"

    No they won't. Because this isn't a constitutional amendment. It can be amended or repealed by other legislation and there's certainly no constitutional rights being violated here.

  • Flipphone Sandy, UT
    Dec. 5, 2018 1:35 p.m.

    I'm fine with a GOP controlled legislature and I'm certain that a Democrat would be comfortable with a democrat controlled legislature.

  • oaklandaforlife Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2018 1:25 p.m.

    "The elusive will of the people."

    That record has been played over for years and years and the song remains the same.

  • michaelitos Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2018 12:54 p.m.

    Excellently worded and well thought out, Jay. I appreciate my duly elected representative doing his job... even if it take some prodding from an initiative.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Dec. 5, 2018 12:25 p.m.

    As the mouth piece for the powerful special interest he hit all the talking points. We the people were just ill informed or just out to stick it to the man and therefore cannot be trusted to know what we want. We clearly need a bunch of cookie cutter home builders and pay day loan business owners to tell use what best for us.

  • strom thurmond taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 5, 2018 11:17 a.m.

    Was this written by George Orwell?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Dec. 5, 2018 10:57 a.m.

    I'm getting really tired of being patronised in this way. The legislators have dragged their heels on this for years, and now the people have expressed their will. The time for consideration and deliberation is passed, and now it's time for action. Even if that action runs counter to what the church wants.

  • TeachyMcTeacherPants Sandy, UT
    Dec. 5, 2018 10:55 a.m.

    The legislature overstepped here.

    I hope all of those responsible for the changes get voted out.

  • SMcloud Sandy, UT
    Dec. 5, 2018 10:54 a.m.

    I wish that there was a separation between church and state.

    If you don't want to take medical marijuana because you think it's against your religion, FINE.
    But the second people want to push their religious values on others, I have a problem with that.

    There are studies showing PTSD can be treated with Marijuana. Think of all the vets that have been lost to alcohol abuse and opiates. There is a better way but Utah is choosing old fashioned ideas over science.

  • Shane333 Orem, UT
    Dec. 5, 2018 10:47 a.m.

    I suspect that a lot of Utah residents support the idea of providing access to useful medication but simultaneously desire to avoid enabling substance abuse.

    Much of the difficulty around this issue stems from the challenge of sorting facts from opinions. How does the average person know which 'facts' are actually clinically-proven medical benefits of marijuana? Does the entire 'plant' or 'leaf' need to be made available, or can the medically beneficial parts be extracted and provided in isolated form like most other medications?

    If there were more clear answers to the above questions, I imagine that the 'will of the people' would become notably more clear on the matter.

  • Utah_Happyman Orem, UT
    Dec. 5, 2018 10:30 a.m.

    People unite call the Governor and the legislature out. They are the predominant faiths lobbiests. The Church is still true in Canada...

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Dec. 5, 2018 10:26 a.m.

    ConradGurch -said: "This all stems back to Cotton vs. Cannabis and MONEY. We all know that cotton won out and the rest is history."

    Add in the competition for Paper (Hearst) and synthetic rope (DuPont) Oil/Fuel (Standard oil) Henry Ford’s first Model T was made with a hemp acrylic skin, hemp upholstery and ran on hemp ethanol.

    It always has been about unfair market and manipulation of Americans into believing Cannabis is dangerous. They never used any scientific evidence when the made it illegal, just propaganda and refer madness, which is apparently what our representatives used for research.

    It's sad that Utah's willfully ignorant representatives refuse to do the research and instead prefer religious advice over scientific evidence.

  • ConradGurch Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 5, 2018 9:43 a.m.

    This all stems back to Cotton vs. Cannabis and MONEY. We all know that cotton won out and the rest is history.

    What research was done back in the day to get Cannabis banned?

    Nothing has changed, its all about the money.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Dec. 5, 2018 9:26 a.m.

    The Legislature, and the church, really overstepped this time. Yes, it will end up in court, and the people will eventually win, as patients that need MMJ (like people with MS) will be denied and suffer longer. And, Utah's one party state will reelect the same people that silenced our voice. Yes, the should be voted out. But, no, they won't.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2018 9:16 a.m.

    I would be more on your side Jay if Utah had a multi-party, or at least two party, system. Utah has a one party system in most counties, like mine Davis, where elections are in essence one-party sustaining votes. Will this ever change? Doesn't look like it.