We are all missing the point here. Those already here, 11 million or 22 million,
are a gift that keeps on giving.I read the other day that from age
65 to our death, we will use over $300K on average in medical costs. (Hospital,
medicines, doctors, premiums...)So, let's overlay that
information on an illegal alien who can no longer carry bundles of shingles up a
ladder. What happens to him? They are not likely to simply go back to Mexico.
Nor will their children pony up the retirement costs. Remittances will not
likely flow back north.But we will not let them starve or die,
either. Somehow, America will take them in and pay their medical costs. More
taxation. More debt.Our inaction is not a zero sum game. Let's
stop patting ourselves on the back over a vague trend.Speaking of
trends, this official White House info session seems to indicate that the new
boss is very much like the old boss when it comes to immigration.
Redshirt1701It’s always helpful to read carefully before commenting,
it helps with accuracy. My comment was that Obama was one of the biggest
deporters, not the biggest. Government deportation and immigration statistics
support that. LA times is entertaining, but lacks in accuracy in most reporting.
I do wish however, that Obama was the biggest, but Trump will have to try and
get the job done that others have been unwilling to do. I believe in law and
order and do welcome all legal immigrants to the US with outstretched arms of
To "bamafone" actually Obama was not the biggest deporter of illegals.
He changed the way deportations were counted to make it appear that they were
getting rid of more. See "High deportation figures are misleading" in
the LA Times.To "Joe Leaphorn" I hate to tell you this, but
Trump did not discover anything new about making money by being POTUS. For
instance, the Clintons claimed to be broke in 2000, yet now are worth over $240
million. Obama doubled his net worth while President. He now makes $400,000 per
“Overall, Brown said the findings of the Pew study may catalyze a
re-evaluation of U.S. immigration policy.‘This is a
fundamental change in what has been a decadeslong historical pattern,’ she
said. ‘As a result, we may have to rethink a major portion of our
immigration system’.”My take always from this report:1-Immigration reform is needed. 2-‘We the
people’ play a pivotal role by electing people willing to work across the
aisle to get things done in Congress. Gridlock doesn’t solve our national
problems & extreme partisans should be removed from office.3-Learn to discern when political candidates use issues to fill their campaign
coffers such as immigration (& later block votes to allow bills to come to
the floor). Fearmongering & demogauging candidates should not be elected to
public office.4-U.S. policies that help other nations to prosper
would cost much less than building a wall on our southern border. 5-Migrants are people & calling their protected right to seek asylum as an
invasion is disturbing & discriminatory. 🗽@DNews, thanks
for the informative research on this divisive issue! 👍🏼
Gosh, I thought there was an invasion, like the Yellow Horde of the past,
running across our borders, unhindered and free to terrorize little, old ladies
in main street America. Isn't this what Donald Trump was telling us? In
fact, he told us that Democrats were inviting them to come in through the open
borders they wanted. He warned us that if we didn't build The Wall, we
would be inundated by illegal migrants taking our free food and free health
care.Now we learn that illegal migration is at an all-time low. But
then that was Trump's narrative to his fearful and loyal base. For the rest
of us, we have known that there has been a decrease over the past 10 years due
to policies enacted under Barack Obama. The Senate had passed comprehensive
immigration reform legislation, but John Boehner, the current House Speaker at
the time, would allow the House to consider the matter. This was part of the
Congress putting the kibosh on the Obama agenda. However, the net decrease in
illegal immigration continued throughout the Obama administration.Now Trump is demanding money for his Wall and threatens a government shutdown
even though his "invasion" of undesirables does't exist. Go figure.
This is great news .... let’s keep it going
The Pew Hispanic Center's chief demographer is Jeffrey Passel, formerly of
the census bureau. He calculates the number of illegal aliens by using the
remainder method and a 10% undercount factor. (only 10% refused to answer the
census? I think the number could be closer to 50-60%)The assumption
is that 90% of all foreign-born will respond to the census (including the
illegal aliens). We know who is naturalized. We know who has a green card. The
remainder must be the number of illegal aliens.Bad assumption. When
Passel was telling us 12 million illegal aliens, other sources had it at 20
million based on school enrollment and housing data.
There should be a deadline set where every one of them should be registered and
paying taxes. After that deadline, everyone not registered should leave the
country and apply to come back.
@VIDAR "As usual it is the poor that will suffer the most, as they spend a
higher percentage of their income for food than the rich."Or
maybe they can become less poor because they don't have to compete for jobs
with as many people who are willing to accept less.The wall is
needed, and Mexico will pay for it without writing a check because of the
reduction of remittances from their citizens who send money home from here. But
more than a wall, we need to restrict employment to those who are legally here.
Then if we need more workers from abroad they can come with legal visas.
@third try screen name"Speaking of third parties, Yale/MIT researchers
put the number of illegal aliens at 22 million, TWICE the number Pew
indicates."The Yale/MIT researchers also state that the Pew
trajectory of illegals matches their own, and that their only criticism of the
Pew research is that they underestimate the totals.Short version,
Pew, Yale and MIT all show that the number of illegals in country peaked in
2006, dropped in 2007, stayed level for a decade, and recently dropped again.
There's disagreement in the totals, but not in the trend line.The 'flood of illegals' claim used to justify the border wall is
false. If a flood of illegals was occurring at any point over the past decade,
then the year over year number of illegals would increase. It hasn't.
USAlover - Salt Lake City, UTDec. 4, 2018 3:55 p.m."Donald
J Trump will go down . . . "Trolling, are we? You need to wait
on this one.Mack2828 - Kenton Vale, KYDec. 4, 2018 4:34
p.m." I didn't vote for him . . . but this is one of the
reasons I'm going to vote for him in the next election."Maybe you might get that chance, but I would suggest you hold your breath on
that one. It's looking like the biggest mistake Donald Trump has made in
his entire career is running for president. It's opening up his finances
and business dealings for everyone to see despite his best efforts to hide them.
Attacking the DOJ and the Mueller investigators is only bringing more of what he
wants to keep secret into the light for everyone to see. Also, we find that
he's pointing the way when he works so hard to cover it up.When
Trump decided he could turn the presidency into a money-making opportunity,
little did he realize that people in government are not his employees tasked to
shut up and keep quiet. No NDAs here. We've already learned about his
quasi-criminal activities in avoiding taxes and stiffing creditors. Now we are
about to learn about his dealings with Russia and Saudi Arabia.
Third try screen name - Mapleton, UTDec. 4, 2018 12:46 p.m."What incredible news at just the right time. It is amazing."So, where do you get your information? Fox News? Donald Trump? Most Trumpies
will believe their Dear Leader before the major news sources. We may never know
where Fox gets its information, but we know that Trump gets his from Fox. Even
with all the resources available, Trump watches Fox & Friends and talks with
his BFF Sean Hannity and finds all he needs to know to set public policy.DN Subscriber - Cottonwood Heights, UTDec. 4, 2018 12:51 p.m."First- the Pew Research Center has a reputation of being a hard
left wing advocacy group . . . "According to whom? Has a study
been made by an independent research group or is this what Fox News reports?
When you say "reputation", you need to elaborate, otherwise you are
saying only what conservative say when they don't like something.estebanborup - Brunswick, GADec. 4, 2018 1:45 p.m." . .
. Trump's hard line against the invasion across our southern border is
making a greater difference than any other effort by previous administrations .
. . "This is just a continuation of what was already happening.
this is good news. trump is fulfilling his campaign promise. Legal
immigrants are always welcome.
DN Subscriber,First: I have a hard time accepting that the Pew is
"hard left wing" or trying to push a political agenda. I've never
had an issue with their survey methodology or found their associated commentary
to be full of political coloring.Second: If Mexico's economy is
improving (as the article suggests), they would have little reason to come over
here.Third: Think about your statement again. If there's a
sizable population and the intake suddenly drops off but the outflow
doesn't change noticeably, the average length of time in the population
starts to increase because there are fewer people who have been there for a
short amount of time. The same mathematics also applies to average population
age, the length of time a particular water molecule has been in your bathtub, or
any system which can be approximated as a large body with inputs and outputs
that don't directly interact.
It should be pointed out to socialistic types that Obama was one of the biggest
deporters of illegals of all Presidents. Also, most prominent Democrats are on
various video clips supporting legal immigration and decrying illegal
immigration. The Trend down is good, hope we can get to the 1990’s level
soon. The cost of overrunning our system is unsustainable and a more
impenetrable wall needs to be put in place. We need folks coming here legally if
they want to come, it’s here for those willing to play by the rules that
we all have to live by. Thank you President Trump for attempting to do the right
Thank you President Trump! I didn't vote for him the first time around, but
this is one of the reasons I'm going to vote for him in the next election.
To "VIDAR" yes you will pay more, but not significantly more. The
government did a study on to see what impact would be to have all legal workers.
They found that it would raise food prices by 6% for a short time, but that
would settle out to 3% in the longer term.
@USA lover"Donald J Trump will go down as the best policy
President of the last 50 years."So you're crediting Trump
with something that began 10 years ago? If anything, you should be crediting GWB
because it was his recession that caused illegal immigration to drop.
Donald J Trump will go down as the best policy President of the last 50 years.
@1aggie About Pew. Their political leanings don't really enter into
it, for they are foolhardy.A decade ago, when the term "illegal
alien" was judged by the press as pejorative, most of the left decided to
call them "undocumented," or simply "immigrants," which is an
odd obfuscation for people who make a living with words.But not Pew.
Here's their terminology and rationale.“The term ‘unauthorized
migrant’ best encompasses the population in our data because many migrants
now enter the country or work using counterfeit documents and thus are not
really ‘undocumented’ in the sense that they have documents, but not
completely legal documents.”How clever of them...or foolish if
you ask me.You can't really blame DN Subscriber for calling
them leftists when they use logic like that!Under your
classification system, would you consider Center for Immigration Studies,
Numbers USA and Fair to be right-wing? If so, why?
Wow! It's amazing what happens when the President shows leadership...and
regard for immigration laws.
DNSubscriber:"First- the Pew Research Center has a reputation of being
a hard left wing advocacy group and thus their findings are suspect from the
start."According to who? One question one might
want to consider--by actually looking at the Pew report:What sources Pew
relied on for their data? And, where did Pew's sources get their data
from?Where does Pew get its funding? What fact-checking
sources do conservatives use and recommend?
It's funny watching the trump fans twist the information to suit their dear
leader.Illegal immigration has been on the decline, just as the
stats prove. But nope, they prefer to believe the most deceptive president
we've ever had for there information, guess some people prefer faith in
over facts.This is just red meat for the willingly ignorant.
Trump's proposal to build a wall and have Mexico pay for it will probably
never happen but the resultant chilling effect upon illegal Mexicans entering
the U.S. is amazing. Words have meaning and Trump's hard line against the
invasion across our southern border is making a greater difference than any
other effort by previous administrations to combat this endemic problem. Mano
dura contra los ilegales!
More propaganda from left-wing advocacy groups; why am I not surprised??If/when we ever get illegal border crossings down to a reasonable number
we can use some of those resources to work on deporting the 20 million already
here.I'm not holding my breath.
When people are forcing their way into our country, it is an invasion.
What are the old sayings- "You can fool some of the people...." or
"Figures don't lie, but...?"First- the Pew Research
Center has a reputation of being a hard left wing advocacy group and thus their
findings are suspect from the start.Second- They claim a huge drop
in illegal immigration due to the "recession" under Obama, but the
corollary of that would be Trump's economic boom with record low
unemployment for Hispanics and blacks would dramatically increase illegal
immigration.Third- They claim the average illegal immigrant has
increased to the point where they have lived illegally in the U.S. for 15 years.
This is impossible if illegal immigrants are supposedly leaving in greater
numbers than arrivals.We have been invaded ever since
SImpson-Mazolli in 1986 when amnesty was granted and promised border enforcement
was never done, incentivizing more illegal immigration.Illegal
immigration is not decreasing, despite what the Pew Center might claim. Enforce
our immigration laws now!
What incredible news at just the right time. It is amazing.But is it
real? How do we know the accuracy of the data?As James O.
Wilson's Public Policy Laws remind us, "First Law: All policy
interventions in social problems produce the intended effect — if the
research is carried out by those implementing the policy or their friends."Second Law: No policy intervention in social problems has the intended
effect — if the research is carried out by independent third
parties."Speaking of third parties, Yale/MIT researchers put the
number of illegal aliens at 22 million, TWICE the number Pew indicates.Don't believe everything you read, especially if it is timed to an
Everyone in the United States should get ready to pay more for food. With
Trumps import fees, and fewer Mexican citizens willing to work here on farms. I
guess americans are going to have to do the farm work themselves. When you put a
big sign on your door that says "not welcome" you should expect fewer
people will be knocking at your door. There is only so long that we can just
continue to subsidize farmers to keep prices lower. As usual it is the poor
that will suffer the most, as they spend a higher percentage of their income for
food than the rich.